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Dave stark Bombardier Inc 342	Posted - 2012.08.01 18:24:00 - [301] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Dave stark wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: I'd like the see the Mack lose a bit of its tank and the skiff's yield dropped a hair from the specs a friend sent me yesterday, but for the most part I think they've found a good balance. It just needs some slight tweaks. Hulks will still be squishy, and the yield-obsessed miners will still stick them in belts as AFK as possible. then you've either misread the stats, are unable to interpret the stats, or don't really understand how mining works. nobody is going to put a hulk in a belt afk. If you mine as lazily as you read text, it would explain your whine about the Hulk. the very fact that if you want to be as afk as possible means you wouldn't be in a hulk... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Jake Rivers Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 91	Posted - 2012.08.01 19:28:00 - [302] - Quote I imagine the botters are snatching up the macs as fast as possible. If hulk prices drop, I will pick up a few more, as I can see the need for rigged setup's for ice/mercoxit. Senex Legio - Recruiter Team Member CCP reduce the mining crystal to 1m3, or give me a good reason why they have to be so large.
Kristen Andelare Abacus Industries Group Aerodyne Collective 13	Posted - 2012.08.01 20:33:00 - [303] - Quote Dave keeps saying how none of the miners,like this change. I call BS. I am a miner. It's pretty much all this toon is for. I like this change. One thing was pointed out earlier that the size of the cargo bays prevents carrying around a T1 Strip, for those times that you come across an ore that you don't have crystals for. This is a good point no one else has caught on to in here. T1 strip miner's size are essentially a conglomeration of the size of an assembled T2 strip plus it's fitted crystal, but with a general purpose crystal, instead of one tuned to a specific ore type. So with the reduction in size of all the T1 and T2 crystals, CCP please take note and also give us a new smaller packaged size for the T1 Strip Miner. This would assist people who actually carry those around in their cargo bay of Hulk, Mack, or Skiff. I myself do that, because this toon is not fully trained in high-end ores, and if we find a grav site with something I can't fit a crystal for, I do revert to T1 strips in my Hulk. It only makes sense for the lore to do this. Also the T1 and T2 Ice Harvesters have a huge disparity in size (at least in Evelopedia, all I have access to from work). They should be the same size (T1 is listed as 100m3, T2 is 5m3). If Evelopedia is wrong, then ignore this portion of my comment. And yes, I've actually tested ALL the T1 and T2 ships in Sisi, extensively. While I did not create a spreadsheet of the results, doing several cycles in each on the same ores gives you a pretty fair comparison of the differences. A Mack with 2 T2 Mining Upgrades still won't outmine a Hulk with 1. Don't even talk about putting three on it. Go right ahead and completely gimp the tank of it to do that, and you'll still be just as fail vs a squad of dessie gankers as pre-patch. But I'm not going to bother with those comparisons, they are no longer realistic or useful to me. And Floppy gave you a perfectly reasonable theorycraft of how to mine without using an additional toon for hauling/crystal delivery. You shot it down out of hand without due consideration. Way to open your mind to a new thought. I had thought that you could use one Skiff in your Hulk fleet, at a slight loss in ore collection, you get a 250m/s delivery boat that doesn't need so many crystals itself, but can shuttle crystals to Hulks whilst mining all the way back and forth. Now you can shoot me down like you did Floppy, but just remember, I AM an active miner.
Jake Rivers Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 91	Posted - 2012.08.01 21:01:00 - [304] - Quote if they drop the size of the crystal, amount of storage is a non issue, as you will be able to bring the selection you want for what you want to mine. Senex Legio - Recruiter Team Member CCP reduce the mining crystal to 1m3, or give me a good reason why they have to be so large.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective 2097	Posted - 2012.08.02 00:07:00 - [305] - Quote Dave stark wrote: then you've either misread the stats, are unable to interpret the stats, or don't really understand how mining works. nobody is going to put a hulk in a belt afk. That's like saying nobody is going to put an untanked hulk in a belt during Hulkageddon. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 347	Posted - 2012.08.02 06:54:00 - [306] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Dave stark wrote: then you've either misread the stats, are unable to interpret the stats, or don't really understand how mining works. nobody is going to put a hulk in a belt afk. That's like saying nobody is going to put an untanked hulk in a belt during Hulkageddon. no it isn't. if you don't want to mine in to jet cans the hulk is the only option. a stupid option, but the only one. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 347	Posted - 2012.08.02 06:55:00 - [307] - Quote Jake Rivers wrote: if they drop the size of the crystal, amount of storage is a non issue, as you will be able to bring the selection you want for what you want to mine. which was exactly how it was for about 5 seconds until they pointlessly reduced the cargo from 500m3 to 350m3. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 347	Posted - 2012.08.02 06:56:00 - [308] - Quote Kristen Andelare wrote: Dave keeps saying how none of the miners,like this change. I call BS. I am a miner. It's pretty much all this toon is for. I like this change. One thing was pointed out earlier that the size of the cargo bays prevents carrying around a T1 Strip so... you don't like the change. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Kristen Andelare Abacus Industries Group Aerodyne Collective 15	Posted - 2012.08.02 07:38:00 - [309] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Kristen Andelare wrote: Dave keeps saying how none of the miners,like this change. I call BS. I am a miner. It's pretty much all this toon is for. I like this change. One thing was pointed out earlier that the size of the cargo bays prevents carrying around a T1 Strip so... you don't like the change. Just because I point an additional change that needs to be made (not to the ships in question, or even the mining crystals) does not mean I don't like the changes. You might benefit from a class in logic. Or not. I like the changes. That cannot be made more clear. Here is my suggestion in ADDITION to the current changes on Sisi: T1 strips and T1 Ice Harvesters are 100m3 in size, and I think that along with the reduction in size of the mining crystals, these modules should also be reduced in size to match up. Like to 30m3 each. Changing those is just something that needs to be also cleaned up to fall in line with the other changes that I DO like. It would also allow miners to transport a set of them in their now smaller Hulk's cargo bay, in case they ran into an ore type they cannot use even a T1 mining crystal for. And for those of you who are too lazy to log into Sisi and LOOK, the mining crystals are now 15m3 for Tech 1, 25m3 for Tech 2. So on a Hulk, Mackinaw, or Skiff you can carry 23 T1 or 14 T2 crystals.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 347	Posted - 2012.08.02 07:55:00 - [310] - Quote Kristen Andelare wrote: Here is my suggestion in ADDITION to the current changes on Sisi: if you want additional changes it indicates that you aren't happy with the current state of things. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.

Jypsie Wandering Star Enterprises 22	Posted - 2012.08.02 08:28:00 - [311] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Kristen Andelare wrote: Here is my suggestion in ADDITION to the current changes on Sisi: if you want additional changes it indicates that you aren't happy with the current state of things. Commercial: 9 out of 10 Dentists recommend X Brand Toothbrush. Dave Stark: Dentists think X Brand Toothbrush is bad.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8851	Posted - 2012.08.02 08:29:00 - [312] - Quote Dave stark wrote: if you want additional changes it indicates that you aren't happy with the current state of things. Way to insinuate the exact opposite of what he's saying. No, if he wants to see additional changes, it indicates that the current changes are fine GÇö quite contrary to what you would like him to claim GÇö but that there are other things that could change as well. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Serena Serene Selective Hearing Nearly Feared 2282	Posted - 2012.08.02 08:59:00 - [313] - Quote Both, I think. Wanting additional changes indicates he's fine with the current changes (else he'd want those changes not to happen, I guess), but not fine with the current state, else he wouldn't need additional changes. ... nitpicking, hehe.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 348	Posted - 2012.08.02 09:03:00 - [314] - Quote complaints about cargo capacity. says he's ok with the changes. complains about cargo capacity. what'd i miss? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Just Lilly 17	Posted - 2012.08.02 09:23:00 - [315] - Quote Strip miners, tech one Problem solved May 15 2012
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1781	Posted - 2012.08.02 10:20:00 - [316] - Quote Update about this post. Usually manufacturing is not my main task and I don't manufacture on commission. I have been totally swamped by Macks requests via EvE-Mail, I am going just to post a common reply here. This is also proof I don't talk out of my ass and experience what I state. Here are my last 6 Macks being invented. Here are the resulting 2 BPCs. I am building my last 3 Macks and then I am sold out. Totally. Sorry. Yes those 3 Macks are pre-sold as well. Here are the materials being cooked for those 3 Macks. There is also stuff for another T2 item invention batch mixed in there. This leaves me with 1 (one) spare -3 ME -3PE 3 runs Mack BPC if somebody wants it. I am currently inventing my last Mack BPCs. This means that depending on the random number generator I might be able to get from 0 to 2 more BPCs. I won't have time to buy the basic materials and make other Macks so I might be left with 1 to 3 ME -3 PE -3 3 runs BPCs. If anybody wants them or wants me to build Macks for him (with his materials, I can post all sorts of collaterals ofc) please contact me FAST because once they are ready I am going to sell the BPCs at Jita (the 1 ME -3 BPC left there is at 125M ATM). Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 349	Posted - 2012.08.02 10:43:00 - [317] - Quote Just Lilly wrote: Strip miners, tech one Problem solved nope because you'll get more yield out off a mack with t2 strips that won't have the cargo issue as it needs less crystals to function. thus making the mack the highest yield, cago, and almost ehp ship. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Jake Rivers Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 91	Posted - 2012.08.02 12:55:00 - [318] - Quote CCP Goliath wrote: Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: CCP Goliath wrote: The reason I'm not giving stats is because I want people to actually go onto the test server and try the changes out rather than just theorycrafting And every page afterward: theorycrafting. Real! I must say I rubbed my eyes a bit this morning when I saw this had somehow gotten to 12 pages with zero information. Nothing like theorycrafting on baseless speculation! Changes will be up on Sisi in the next 2 hours. Morning two, I rubbed my eyes, and I still see no changes you were hinting at. Senex Legio - Recruiter Team Member CCP reduce the mining crystal to 1m3, or give me a good reason why they have to be so large.
Infinite Force Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 114	Posted - 2012.08.02 15:32:00 - [319] - Quote Jake Rivers wrote: CCP Goliath wrote: Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: CCP Goliath wrote: The reason I'm not giving stats is because I want people to actually go onto the test server and try the changes out rather than just theorycrafting And every page afterward: theorycrafting. Real! I must say I rubbed my eyes a bit this morning when I saw this had somehow gotten to 12 pages with zero information. Nothing like theorycrafting on baseless speculation! Changes will be up on Sisi in the next 2 hours. Morning two, I rubbed my eyes, and I still see no changes you were hinting at. As of 1.5 hours ago, I didn't see any further changes on SiSi - confirmed by CCP Goliath in local SiSi chat. Sigh... HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud Hammer Mineral Compression -á- The only way to go!
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 447	Posted - 2012.08.02 15:35:00 - [320] - Quote Infinite Force wrote: Jake Rivers wrote: Morning two, I rubbed my eyes, and I still see no changes you were hinting at. As of 1.5 hours ago, I didn't see any further changes on SiSi - confirmed by CCP Goliath in local SiSi chat. Sigh... Y'all got trolled. Nothing Found

Jagoff Haverford The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn 21	Posted - 2012.08.02 16:18:00 - [321] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Y'all got trolled. CCP troll, best troll.
Jake Rivers Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 91	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:16:00 - [322] - Quote Despite what the GM claims is adequate this morning, having no more than enough crystals to set up for 3 types of ore in a hulk is lame. No other ship in the game has this type of handicap on its ammo selection. Senex Legio - Recruiter Team Member CCP reduce the mining crystal to 1m3, or give me a good reason why they have to be so large.
MIrple BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 34	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:19:00 - [323] - Quote I would like to be able to carry every drone that I can field on a Domi as I shouldnt have to pick and chose what dmg type ahead of time. I demand that CCP fix this ASAP.
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 642	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:23:00 - [324] - Quote MIrple wrote: I would like to be able to carry every drone that I can field on a Domi as I shouldnt have to pick and chose what dmg type ahead of time. I demand that CCP fix this ASAP. Oh, saddup. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm...
MIrple BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 34	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:27:00 - [325] - Quote Pak Narhoo wrote: MIrple wrote: I would like to be able to carry every drone that I can field on a Domi as I shouldnt have to pick and chose what dmg type ahead of time. I demand that CCP fix this ASAP. Oh, saddup. What I post a counter point that everyone needs to make choices and because it densest work with what you want you quickly dismiss it. Eve is about choices live with it.
malcovas Henderson Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis 116	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:29:00 - [326] - Quote Jake Rivers wrote: Despite what the GM claims is adequate this morning, having no more than enough crystals to set up for 3 types of ore in a hulk is lame. No other ship in the game has this type of handicap on its ammo selection. Im not up to scratch today, but......... Let me spell it out to you, in so simple terms that you might, just might get it. the Hulk (pause here to let it sink in), got it? good continue. The Hulk is now designed for fleets (yes I know, sit down and let yourself recover before we move on). You want to solo mine in a fleet ship, PAY THE CONSEQUENCE. Last I heard the hulk fits 9 Yes 9 crystals. Thats about 36 hrs of pure mining. hell in that time my pod would fill up a Frieghter. If you are so dumb as to not realise that when. you. dock. up. to. drop. off. your. ore. Replace. any. unwanted. crystals. Is that so hard? now GTFO vOv
Jake Rivers Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 91	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:31:00 - [327] - Quote MIrple wrote: I would like to be able to carry every drone that I can field on a Domi as I shouldnt have to pick and chose what dmg type ahead of time. I demand that CCP fix this ASAP. Actually the drone bay on the domi is larger than the cargohold of the hulk on sisi. Senex Legio - Recruiter Team Member CCP reduce the mining crystal to 1m3, or give me a good reason why they have to be so large.
Jake Rivers Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 91	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:32:00 - [328] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Jake Rivers wrote: Despite what the GM claims is adequate this morning, having no more than enough crystals to set up for 3 types of ore in a hulk is lame. No other ship in the game has this type of handicap on its ammo selection. Im not up to scratch today, but......... Let me spell it out to you, in so simple terms that you might, just might get it. the Hulk (pause here to let it sink in), got it? good continue. The Hulk is now designed for fleets (yes I know, sit down and let yourself recover before we move on). You want to solo mine in a fleet ship, PAY THE CONSEQUENCE. Last I heard the hulk fits 9 Yes 9 crystals. Thats about 36 hrs of pure mining. hell in that time my pod would fill up a Frieghter. If you are so dumb as to not realise that when. you. dock. up. to. drop. off. your. ore. Replace. any. unwanted. crystals. Is that so hard? now GTFO vOv Amazing that you can find a rock that lasts for 36 hours, go back to your station spinning. Senex Legio - Recruiter Team Member CCP reduce the mining crystal to 1m3, or give me a good reason why they have to be so large.
Pipa Porto 612	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:38:00 - [329] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Lilliana Stelles wrote: Hulks aren't meant for soloing. Use a mackinaw, which requires less crystals. In a hulk, you can just refit off the orca. no you can't! my alt can't see in the corp hangar of my main's orca. even worse if you're in an npc corp because you can't even get roles to alleviate this problem. even worse on multi-corp ops. Jetcans fix that "problem". If you want the convenience of full use of the CORP Hangar, get everyone in the same corp. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
malcovas Henderson Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis 117	Posted - 2012.08.02 17:41:00 - [330] - Quote Jake Rivers wrote: malcovas Henderson wrote: Jake Rivers wrote: Despite what the GM claims is adequate this morning, having no more than enough crystals to set up for 3 types of ore in a hulk is lame. No other ship in the game has this type of handicap on its ammo selection. Im not up to scratch today, but......... Let me spell it out to you, in so simple terms that you might, just might get it. the Hulk (pause here to let it sink in), got it? good continue. The Hulk is now designed for fleets (yes I know, sit down and let yourself recover before we move on). You want to solo mine in a fleet ship, PAY THE CONSEQUENCE. Last I heard the hulk fits 9 Yes 9 crystals. Thats about 36 hrs of pure mining. hell in that time my pod would fill up a Frieghter. If you are so dumb as to not realise that when. you. dock. up. to. drop. off. your. ore. Replace. any. unwanted. crystals. Is that so hard? now GTFO vOv Amazing that you can find a rock that lasts for 36 hours, go back to your station spinning. Look you sad little whiner. It is simple Being in a Fleet means you dont need to mine EVERY F****NG ORE. The more in your FLEET. The less ore you got to select from. How hard is that to understand?. Want to solo mine get a Mack. If this has only space for 9 crystals then maybe a small gripe would suffice. But still does not stop you from replacing everytime you dock up. Station spinner telling a whining wannabe miner how to mine. How ironic.



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