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And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

As if we give a **** beyond the ISK.

Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.

Being a weird mixture of gal/min, I don't think I've been saying it's due to leet pvp on the minmatar's side that occupancy was staying at T5, and if I was saying it I'd like to see it. I've been on the receiving side of "no interest in pvp plexing alts" long before you could even make LP running plexes.

Having said that - Minmatar was at T5 last night, and you should have seen the carebears in militia chat crying about how they are going to make amarr alts *once the contested status went to 79.8%*. Like seriously, *whaaaaaa we can't hold T5 for more than an hour I'm quitting*. There are a TON of crybabies in the Minmatar militia. No other militia has hit T5. But looking at the lossboards for those pilots they are 0 kill/handful of gunless merlin losses.

One thing though - I will be very interested to see what happens once Amarr starts flipping systems. Will the massive minmatar alt army that is currently in gallente/caldari space move back to amarr to farm plexes there? Or will they give up and switch to the amarr side? Time will tell.

In the meantime, all I can hope to do is slow down Nulli as much as I can so I can prolong how long they stay in militia. It is FANTASTIC to always have the density of targets in every system that Nulli provides.

To better the Minmatar achievement you need to reduce the TLF to 2 systems and hold it there long enough to do multiple tier 5 cash-outs of your own.

TLDR

CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.


Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.

Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes.

All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous.

Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because:

- There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships
- Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training.

Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber.

Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own.



I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.

You make it sound like WBR won WW2 all by yourself.

I don't represent anything or one but myself. But if you took it (I hear we lost Kourm), good job. I also hear the Amarrian fleet was somewhere in the 120+ range. But I didn't see it myself. If the system has enough tactical value, like Kourm. I think people will fight (or defensive plex) for it. Otherwise they won't. Time will tell what the warzone looks months from now.

You make it sound like WBR won WW2 all by yourself.

Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes.

All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous.

Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because:

- There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships
- Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training.

Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber.

Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own.



I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.

Paying characters to defensive plex does not pvp create. The problem is not that the focus is on offensive plexing. Defensive plexing requires no guns either! The problem is that plexing always has been most efficiently done in pve ships and avoiding pvp. CCP didn't do anything to change this. They just added consequences.

To be fair to ccp and hans, the players were crying for "consequences" and glossed over the fact that plexing is really a pve game. Lots of people said if there are consequences then we will pvp for plexes. Only a few people realized that adding consequences to a pve system will just create farmville and not really improve things. But we were in the, often despised, minority.

I knew it wouldn't be long before the Amarr poked their little noses out from behind Nulli's skirt and blew a raspberry.

No Stuff

The only thing that could make it worse is if that person from your corp that writes all of her posts in italics were here.

Note to that person: Chill with the flippin italics. Unless all of your posts are filled with emotion, it just makes you look pretentious and stupid.

She IS French Canadian, so those character traits come with the territory...

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

*whistles*

Ironically this was CCP "fixing" FW....I really hope they don't try to fix it again.

First off - I don't think Hans had any part in what we see now, didn't he join the CSM after all these design decisions were pretty much made?

And secondly - CCP has made FW SO DAMN GOOD. Could it be better? Sure. Have they made HUGE improvments? YES!

I'm Minmatar militia, and yes Nulli are rolling our occupancy, but there is a FANTASTIC amount of pvp to be had. There's people in frigates everywhere - CCP finally made a version of FW that gave nullsec alliances a reason to leave their huge blobs and go into size restricted plexes. Which means a HUGE population boost for FW, and TONS of fights to be had.

I remember pre-inferno: Caldari militia had all but given up, there was nothing to shoot at in lowsec but neutrals here and there. The same few bittervets had been shooting the same few bittervets for years.

Before inferno came out - I had cancelled both of my accounts and one had already expired. I grudgingly logged in post inferno to find ORANGE, ORANGE EVERYWHERE!

FW is so much better now because they gave incentives for people to come to militia. I mean seriously, there's a *whole nullsec alliance* of about 1800 members rolling around doing their best to take occupancy, and that means a dispersion of small ship power.

Living a few jumps from an 1800 member FW alliance interested in plexing is HEAVEN. And it's because of the incentives!

Eh.

The NullSec alliances aren't coming to fight. They're coming to get rich via exploitation of (still somwhat dodgy) FW mechanics. Goons did it with the LP rewards from ship kills, and now Nulli are doing it by holding systems in perpetual Vulnerability so they can farm them for infinite LP before flipping, upgrading, and cashing out.

The solution to this is simple and possibly two fold:

1) Vulnerable systems do not award LP for offensive plexing.
and/or
2) Systems that are Vulnerable for more than 24 hours auto-flip at the next DT.

Eh.

The NullSec alliances aren't coming to fight. They're coming to get rich ....

This would mean that pvp'ers in the faction with the least amount of plex farmers will never be able to earn isk for pvp. Number of plexers will directly relate to number of systems held and the losing side will never be able to accrue enough systems for decent payout. Auto flipping would be the worst idea and would negate one of the only two balancing effects in the current mechanics, the ability to stack up systems (the other being no lp for defensive plexing).

Your system would go further down the road to defeating a faction, something that should not be desirable since it will result in member churning and a pure alt farm with no realistic opposition.

People were making ISK just fine before vulnerable systems were being farmed.

Not really. Amarr was making no isk. The reason amarr got back in the game was due to no lp for defensive plexing and the fact that systems don't automatically flip.

I think your first solution is ok. But your second proposal is bad.

People were making ISK just fine before vulnerable systems were being farmed.

Paying characters to defensive plex does not pvp create. The problem is not that the focus is on offensive plexing. Defensive plexing requires no guns either! The problem is that plexing always has been most efficiently done in pve ships and avoiding pvp. CCP didn't do anything to change this. They just added consequences.

To be fair to ccp and hans, the players were crying for "consequences" and glossed over the fact that plexing is really a pve game. Lots of people said if there are consequences then we will pvp for plexes. Only a few people realized that adding consequences to a pve system will just create farmville and not really improve things. But we were in the, often despised, minority.

I never suggested LP for defensive plexing and tbh, I can't really come up with a good solution for plexing either. If anything, either making killing all the rats in order to capture the plex a prerequisite would get rid of the cheap few day old plexing alts taking majors left and right, just warping out as soon as anything appears on dscan.

Correct, the rest of the current mechanics of swinging occupancy can be explored without breaking anyones game permanently due to the balancing effect of no lp for defence and perma-vulnerable systems. But making kill all rats would definitely reduce the unwanted non-pvp activities on the plex front and may even encourage some of them to fight given that they now have to fit shiny new guns.

Just like this guy who has 4 kills in his entire eve career who i convinced to engage me earlier.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14182177

The system being vuln or not isnt the point. Its the value of the lp dictated by the tier system which in turn is controlled by the number of owned systems that is.

If systems are swapping constantly there will ne no opportunity for the losing side to ever reach a reasonable rate of income greater than that of say, high sec level 4 missions.

Tbh, i must just be not in the mood for retards, if you dont understand this simple consequence of what you suggest, un-install eve and sell your computer.

Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.

Id say the Americans did much more than "shortened the conflict a bit". Show some respect.-

What is player driven content? What is "defense" and why should we do it to systems?

These things are hard. CCP should change the system so Warbears can make risk-free billions, even if they're losing.

In your system you are about to be losing simply because an 1800man alliance joined your enemy. If you think that you should deserve to be unable to support pvp costs simply because some null bears got kicked from their sov and decided to sit in fw for a few weeks then go right ahead.

Id say the Americans did much more than "shortened the conflict a bit". Show some respect.-

Yes Minmatar is in a bad position, and this is perfectly OK. That's the nature of Factional Warfare - it's a static war. The "losers" of today are the "winners" of tomorrow. The basic premise of the system is working fine; winners are being rewarded and losers are being penalized. This system is in place to motivate and drive conflict. It seems to have had the dual effect of also motivating and driving a lot of crying and whining. This is also OK.

A major NullSec alliance has indeed joined FW with the sole intent of filling it's coffers and bouncing. If it works, there's nothing at all stopping any major alliance from executing the same strategy, perhaps even two BFF Alliances joining opposing sides and farming the system into oblivion to fund their NullSec wars. This would be sad. But it could be avoided by switching to a system where vulnerable systems don't provide LP for offensive plexing and/or systems auto-flip after 24 hours.

No, they're the only country I know who can be surprised attacked 2 years into a World War :)

Under your suggested system if nulli stay and no one can interest another entity to join then the minmatar are the losers of today AND tomorrow. With perma vuln systems and no lp for defensive systems matar still have a reason and can afford to fight and plex as the sheer numbers of the enemy is balanced by the mechanics.

KB stats are overrated anyway. I used to play for killmails - now I don't give a damn about them - canceled my api subscription to battleclinic and don't post them anymore.

Sorry I'm not seeing. You'll have to elaborate more.

A simplified example, a warzone of 10 systems. 100 plexers on one side and 10 plexers on the other. These systems auto flip.

Assuming that these plexers plex at the same rate, the side with 10 plexers can only hold onto 1 system at any given time. This is not reflective of skill or ability, its just a numbers game like nullsec.

WHAT??!!!

No, they're the only country I know who can be surprised attacked 2 years into a World War :)

It's called "baiting". Then they blobbed the hell out of the both the Japanese and Germans.

The problem with your example is that, besides being oversimplified to the point of uselessness, is that as far as system control is concerned it's going to be a numbers game either way, so you're making a moot point.

Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.

How can it be a moot point when the end results is completely different? Of course you want autoflip and constant T5. Who wouldn't that for themselves? But do you really think it would be good for the game?

My view. Amarr suck? Lol.

We have known form a while that this was going to happen and it was just a matter of time
It wasn't really hard to see how to exploit it to allow the losers to gain what they need


if you ain't noticed as well lost of us are on holiday so hurry back fellow minmatards. lets get back at the pew!

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

The problem with your example is that, besides being oversimplified to the point of uselessness, is that as far as system control is concerned it's going to be a numbers game either way, so you're making a moot point.

No, the current system is as far from a numbers game as possible (not completely removed but there are balancing mechanics). in a fw with 10 systems, 100v10 plexers. The 10 plexers can still make the 10 systems vulnerable even if it will take them 10 times longer (assuming no defensive). Once vulnerable, the side with 10 plexers can swing the systems in their favour. Sure, the 10man side will lose their systems 10 times quicker than it took to gain them. And of course the side with 100 plexers will have occupancy more often, but with auto switching systems the side with 10 players will NEVER have more than 1 system. Its basic mathematics.

In the current mechanics, individuals on the 10 man side entering the stage where they upgrade their systems (everything being equal) will have 10x the LP that the individuals on the 100man side has. This is by virtue of upgrade days for the 10 man side being 10x less frequent.

The only simple thing about this example is there is the assumption of no defence, which apart from key home systems is largely correct anyway. There is a certain balance to all this even if it does swing from one sides favour to the other.

Oh yes. because i wanted to give an excuse for the fact you are currently winning the plex war

fine by me if it makes you feel good.

biggest joke is .... Hans is now very silent and is not advocating current system too much. CCP is dead silent about FW and probably is scratching their heads WTF went wrong with that not very well prepared plan .... and I am very afraid when the **** will hit gal/cal front, which is now decently ballanced, but I kinda see some structural damage and risks in very near future.


all alternatives of future looks kinda stupid .... even if Amar will flip the tide and will take minnie space, there will be again hordes of alts plexing and switching sides (which is not even funny). Actually there might be politics behind it .... who will be farmers best friend will gain the docking rights :D ... so like pimps we will be herding our plexing farmers ....

well as was said many times by CCP .... working as intended ... stupid .... but working ....

I liked your post because you seem like the kind of person who needs their tin-foiling, black-helicoptering, New World Ordering validated by other people.

CCP has balanced FW couple times just because gallente and minmatar could not compete.

Amarr does not need any CCP action to get back in business, as usuall players can handle situation.

If the consensus is that T5 will keep flipping back and forth, how about instead of complaining instead we keep really really quiet and get really really space rich. And then after like a year or so we can have this massive space battle with huge spaceships and **** and I'll be all like akakakakakak and you'll be all like pew pew pew. Gonna be awesome.

Has damar got control of this account? Thats two posts from BM in a row that have no relevance to the quotation in the post. Thats usually a damar trait.

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

This in an environment where the Amarr had roughly 50/50 pvp numbers (varying by timezone)

I liked your post because you seem like the kind of person who needs their tin-foiling, black-helicoptering, New World Ordering validated by other people.

I liked your post because you seem like the kind of person who needs their tin-foiling, black-helicoptering, New World Ordering validated by other people.

Where did I give that impression exactly? Where did I mention WBR?

Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.

Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.

Id say the Americans did much more than "shortened the conflict a bit". Show some respect.-

So what's the Amarr excuse?

These things are hard. CCP should change the system so Warbears can make risk-free billions, even if they're losing.

I'd personally be quite happy if CCP completely removed all the LP from FW whether for plexing or kiills.

It seems largely ridiculous that in FW we get paid to take sov or to shoot people, I don't recall the average joe in nullsec getting paid for that vagabond he kills or paid for shooting an POS/iHUB it seems pretty insulting to believe the carebear FW'ers need to be coddled.

I don't see why they don't do system upgrades = better rats, anoms etc and we make our money like other people do.

[quote=Xuixien]I don't recall the average joe in nullsec getting paid for that vagabond he kills or paid for shooting an POS/iHUB it seems pretty insulting to believe the carebear FW'ers need to be coddled.

I'd personally be quite happy if CCP completely removed all the LP from FW whether for plexing or kiills.

It seems largely ridiculous that in FW we get paid to take sov or to shoot people, I don't recall the average joe in nullsec getting paid for that vagabond he kills or paid for shooting an POS/iHUB it seems pretty insulting to believe the carebear FW'ers need to be coddled.

I don't see why they don't do system upgrades = better rats, anoms etc and we make our money like other people do.

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

They have that in nullsec.

This isn't nullsec.

Post this idea in the nullsec forums...oh wait...fweddit...

Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.

Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp

Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.

A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.

However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?

And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.

So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.

I seem to remember there were only a few vulnerable systems before Nulli joined...

This is both the correct number of the systems and very fitting

isn't it interesting how people always seem to remeber what suits them? That is why it was documented. We also need to remember that much of the warzone was heavily contested and Nulli just pushed those systems to vulnerable.

Nulli helped a little in plexing. But they also destroyed our efforts to go to T5 and by that might have sealed Amarrs fate. We will never get the alt farming army needed make a difference in the sov war.

^^ We will defend metro, and without nulli on that side I can guarantee that you wont have an easy time doing it. We will make sure of that

I never said it would be easy. It wasn't easy with nulli. Whether we can do it remains to be seen.

Why on earth would you want to do try and plex minmatar systems back up again?

If these systems are traded back and forth as people/farmers try and get T5 cashouts then everything that CCP have setup with the current FW system looks rosy and to be working just fine.

If instead everyone piles on the Minmatar side with alt characters and abuses the hell out of the system you'll make money to fund your pvp and either CCP will be pushed into introducing a better version of the sov system or alternatively they'll simply nerf the living daylights out of the income and that will get rid of the farmers that way.

Because the actual tier system is fine. Its important to correctly identify the problem.

The problem is that plexing is most efficiently done by warping away. Once that is fixed by notifications and possibly a timer automatically counting down (if you warp away when an enemy lands on grid) the system will actually be great.

We already did the same system with no rewards. We did that for a few years and it wasn't any better. Nerfing rewards will just return us to that previous broken state not really improve fw.

lol notifications.... getting spammed to death by people doing mulitple plexes in 50+ systems all at the same time..

And timers counting down would make zero difference as Amarr doesn't compete anywhere close when it comes to the abiltiy to farm plexes so sooner or later (sooner) the defense fails and you lose the systems anyway it's just a time game.

If CCP really fixed the things they should i.e. systems perma stuck at vulnerable then all that would occur with the current Teir system and mechanics would be Minmatar at T5 forever and Amarr lucky we can't go T0

So. 19 Amarr systems vulnerable. Just a few short days after Nulli goes belly up.

Welp.

And?

Oh this thread is so delicious now. Where'sa Salicaz?

\o/

My points still stand....you were all silent when the horde was over on Amarr, now you're all perking up again now the horde is on Minmatar :)

All hail the alts!

Sorry for being "silent" (???), we were too busy undocking to really participate in online forum dramas.

Sorry for being "silent" (???), we were too busy undocking to really participate in online forum dramas.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1259747
You


http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=644959
Me

Confirming I don't undock, or double your kills per month. Actually I don't care much for km's and you'll often find me in a guardian.

So you were saying?

confirming minmatar are all a bunch of dirty cheat beaters.

Not really, the guys pewing in the Minmatar are fine are fine <3 And no, I'm not trying to flex with kb postings as mine are pretty meh, I was just pointing out the irony of him quoting me and saying "because we undock".

The winning side is the side with the most pvers.

come on, all your kb flexing aside, its a running joke amongst the minmatar that the amarr sat in station watching clear skies while minmatar plexed systems with impunity.

your qualification is false. the winning side is the side with the most plexers.

come on, all your kb flexing aside, its a running joke amongst the minmatar that the amarr sat in station watching clear skies while minmatar plexed systems with impunity.

your qualification is false. the winning side is the side with the most plexers.

your qualification is false. the winning side is the side with the most plexers.

So camp a gate and shoot gunless plexers with impunity?

You're just generalizing the "Amarr" now. I'f I'm online I'm rarely docked.