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Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.01.02 11:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Grim (his fault for slowness) <snip> I count downt too... they dont pay me at that timer than pop He paid before the end of the timer, not long before I'll grant you but before, and he's hardy at fault for what happened after that wallet transfer is made. Personally I don't think that all of MF behave like this just that Will Fireblade did and hence I put this thread up to warn people, in the same way I posted about Ertai of MF setting his CCP mail charge to 10mil and then mailing people to convo him to discuss about MF deciding to declare on thier corp. As MF have/had a POS near to and declared on two corps that live in the Osmeden area I've got to meet quite a few and most have been a laugh to chat to. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.01.02 15:00:00 - [32] reminds me last post of MF concerning their "mercs services"... You guys really still manage to sell your caugh services ? Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.01.02 15:43:00 - [33] thats pathetic if someone pays you ******* let them go, if they pay towards the end but you pod him then ok accidents happen return the isk you cant merc competently and you cant pirate properly, i understand your just having fun but jesus think of other pirates who need people to pay and of your corps rep
Black 1	Posted - 2005.01.02 15:53:00 - [34] Edited by: Black 1 on 02/01/2005 15:56:47 Originally by: Hans Roaming This is warning that Will Fireblade of Mercenary Forces WILL pod you after you have paid a ransom as it just happened to a corp mate of mine, when convo'd for the money back he refused. This isn't a whine, just a statement of fact and a warning to other players who might get caught by him. This is not the turth - we gave u a valid amount of time to pay up, u were stallin so we had no choice but to blast ya as u could of been callin for backup. Any when u see ur Ship get blown up u don't pay the ransome still would u? I wouldn't. We regert that it resorted to forum posts but u were unwilling to talk. Sorry again. Black 1 Edit: and btw to set the record straigh i podded ya and laided the final blow on ur ship. Plz read ur kill mails. -----------
Spinal	Posted - 2005.01.02 16:11:00 - [35] Spinal t3h sexeh beast :) o and Happy new year :)
Will Fireblade	Posted - 2005.01.02 16:13:00 - [36] What a N00b..listen mate when the countdown starts and the blood stream is pumping there is no turning back u were late and full of **** in convo. and i aint giving back money what is that who do u think i am a bank live with it u noob
Dark Eagle	Posted - 2005.01.02 16:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Grim (his fault for slowness) <snip> I count downt too... they dont pay me at that timer than pop He paid before the end of the timer, not long before I'll grant you but before, and he's hardy at fault for what happened after that wallet transfer is made. Dont forget there is a delay on the wallet, it might be neither party's fault Piracy shall never die. Do not use the 'm-word' in my presence, or i may be forced to reprogram your harvestors to releive you of your limbs. Yarrr >=)
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.01.02 16:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Black 1 This is not the turth - we gave u a valid amount of time to pay up, u were stallin so we had no choice but to blast ya as u could of been callin for backup. Any when u see ur Ship get blown up u don't pay the ransome still would u? I wouldn't. We regert that it resorted to forum posts but u were unwilling to talk. Sorry again. Black 1 Edit: and btw to set the record straigh i podded ya and laided the final blow on ur ship. Plz read ur kill mails. Originally by: Will Fireblade What a N00b..listen mate when the countdown starts and the blood stream is pumping there is no turning back u were late and full of **** in convo. and i aint giving back money what is that who do u think i am a bank live with it u noob First off it wasn't me who got attacked, ransomed and podded, it was a corp mate, english is not his native language and this is why I'm writing on here. He did pay at the last few moments of countdown whilst he was in his ship as who would watch it get blown up and then pay? After he was then podded. He convo'd you to ask for money back as he thought it was a dishonerable thing to keep it however I understand you refused, since then no one from MF has either contacted me or him about it. This thread isn't a complaint about anyone's gaming style as everyone is free to play how they want within the EULA and as it's now basically our word against yours anyone reading this will have to draw thier own conclusions about what will happen to them in a similar situation with Will Fireblade. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Arnold Duncan	Posted - 2005.01.02 16:59:00 - [39] That's the full story: I get the prophecy my corp made me that same day 3 hours earlier and i wanted to try it so I went in maut for killing rats. After i've cleared an asteroid belt from rats i started looting containers. I had the overview menu full with cont so i didn't see nobody coming. Then i was locked by Will Fireblade and perhaps some others guys (i could not say how many there were of them). I was already damaged and low on cap so when i started taking damaged i convoed Will Fireblade and ask for leaving me alive. he asked a ransom for 5 mils. i got only 415000 isks coz i spent all fot fitting the prophecy so i asked the corp for money and in the same time i advised them of this problem. They started counting down and when i get hans money pressed the ok button in the same time i saw the number 2 appearing in the chat. 1 sec later they destroyed my ship. Then even if i paid they podded me. And this is what i think: Paying could be long but i paid in time. Destroying my ship could have been a mistake or perhaps u "feeled the blood pumping" (how exciting killing a damaged prophecy with ur ass on a new mega) But podding wasn't a mistake and u know that. U deliberately do that after i paid and u had enough time to heve seen i paid.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.01.02 17:30:00 - [40] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/01/2005 17:32:53 Originally by: Arnold Duncan That's the full story: I get the prophecy my corp made me that same day 3 hours earlier and i wanted to try it so I went in maut for killing rats. After i've cleared an asteroid belt from rats i started looting containers. I had the overview menu full with cont so i didn't see nobody coming. Then i was locked by Will Fireblade and perhaps some others guys (i could not say how many there were of them). I was already damaged and low on cap so when i started taking damaged i convoed Will Fireblade and ask for leaving me alive. he asked a ransom for 5 mils. i got only 415000 isks coz i spent all fot fitting the prophecy so i asked the corp for money and in the same time i advised them of this problem. They started counting down and when i get hans money pressed the ok button in the same time i saw the number 2 appearing in the chat. 1 sec later they destroyed my ship. Then even if i paid they podded me. And this is what i think: Paying could be long but i paid in time. Destroying my ship could have been a mistake or perhaps u "feeled the blood pumping" (how exciting killing a damaged prophecy with ur ass on a new mega) But podding wasn't a mistake and u know that. U deliberately do that after i paid and u had enough time to heve seen i paid. As point out in this topic, MF arent pirates. Theyre gankers. Sending them money is a bad move because they will kill you anyway. Eventually all pirates will run out of vitcims that pay up and then itll be time for the real pirates to clear out the griefers among them. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

Dexter Rast	Posted - 2005.01.02 17:51:00 - [41] to be perfectly honest its up to the individual to decide wether or not to let them go after payment, anyone else ideals of what is involved in piracy dont meen squat, end of the day it was between Will Fireblade and the guy he has locked down. maybe he had told the guy to stop his pod, maybe he was still traveling to the gate, maybe like suggested before there was a delay with the transaction, sometimes the wallet does take a minute or 2 to update. when you are gate camping and you have a guy locked down you have to do business very quickly, you dont want to be sat there for minutes at a time waiting for the victims mates to wire him cash etc.., ---------------------------------------------
Black 1	Posted - 2005.01.02 18:28:00 - [42] Edited by: Black 1 on 02/01/2005 18:28:26 Originally by: Arnold Duncan That's the full story: I get the prophecy my corp made me that same day 3 hours earlier and i wanted to try it so I went in maut for killing rats. After i've cleared an asteroid belt from rats i started looting containers. I had the overview menu full with cont so i didn't see nobody coming. Then i was locked by Will Fireblade and perhaps some others guys (i could not say how many there were of them). I was already damaged and low on cap so when i started taking damaged i convoed Will Fireblade and ask for leaving me alive. he asked a ransom for 5 mils. i got only 415000 isks coz i spent all fot fitting the prophecy so i asked the corp for money and in the same time i advised them of this problem. They started counting down and when i get hans money pressed the ok button in the same time i saw the number 2 appearing in the chat. 1 sec later they destroyed my ship. Then even if i paid they podded me. And this is what i think: Paying could be long but i paid in time. Destroying my ship could have been a mistake or perhaps u "feeled the blood pumping" (how exciting killing a damaged prophecy with ur ass on a new mega) But podding wasn't a mistake and u know that. U deliberately do that after i paid and u had enough time to heve seen i paid. actualy poddin u was the mistake i clicked my gun instead of my warp scam which is right under my guns. If i had seen my wallet flash i would hav stopped but i wasn't the one in control Will said he didn't hav the cash and told me via TS to fire at will so i did. U weren't dmged when we first attacked u, i saw u at 100% shields and armour - ur armour tank stood for a while but we manged to get u to structure b4 the ransomin. If u wanted to test ur ship do it in missions or 0.5+. 0.4 was meant for the start of pvp'in and u were simply in the wrong plae at the wrong time. -----------
Black 1	Posted - 2005.01.02 18:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/01/2005 17:32:53 Originally by: Arnold Duncan That's the full story: I get the prophecy my corp made me that same day 3 hours earlier and i wanted to try it so I went in maut for killing rats. After i've cleared an asteroid belt from rats i started looting containers. I had the overview menu full with cont so i didn't see nobody coming. Then i was locked by Will Fireblade and perhaps some others guys (i could not say how many there were of them). I was already damaged and low on cap so when i started taking damaged i convoed Will Fireblade and ask for leaving me alive. he asked a ransom for 5 mils. i got only 415000 isks coz i spent all fot fitting the prophecy so i asked the corp for money and in the same time i advised them of this problem. They started counting down and when i get hans money pressed the ok button in the same time i saw the number 2 appearing in the chat. 1 sec later they destroyed my ship. Then even if i paid they podded me. And this is what i think: Paying could be long but i paid in time. Destroying my ship could have been a mistake or perhaps u "feeled the blood pumping" (how exciting killing a damaged prophecy with ur ass on a new mega) But podding wasn't a mistake and u know that. U deliberately do that after i paid and u had enough time to heve seen i paid. As point out in this topic, MF arent pirates. Theyre gankers. Sending them money is a bad move because they will kill you anyway. Eventually all pirates will run out of vitcims that pay up and then itll be time for the real pirates to clear out the griefers among them. As for that post i would hav let him go if i saw the cash... -----------
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.01.02 18:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Stained Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Easy Target not flaming... or trolling... or stirring... but.. why does paying a pirate mean they wont kill u?? He locked u.. He killed your ship.. He locked and scrambled your pod... Give me money or die... Oh yes honourable sir... take my isk.. now let me go... For the record, if someone pays me a bounty i wont kill them... But before u pay.. please please try to warp... chances are i am out of cap and u are free to go... U know who u are... :) Easy Target This whole situation toppled with your post reflects poorly on MF's reputation as a whole. Not that MF had a good reputation to begin with, im just wondering who the hell will hire MF's services when you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. MF never had a reputation to begin with. Unlike m0o who once did -------------------------------------------------
Arnold Duncan	Posted - 2005.01.02 20:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Black 1 Edited by: Black 1 on 02/01/2005 18:28:26 Originally by: Arnold Duncan That's the full story: I get the prophecy my corp made me that same day 3 hours earlier and i wanted to try it so I went in maut for killing rats. After i've cleared an asteroid belt from rats i started looting containers. I had the overview menu full with cont so i didn't see nobody coming. Then i was locked by Will Fireblade and perhaps some others guys (i could not say how many there were of them). I was already damaged and low on cap so when i started taking damaged i convoed Will Fireblade and ask for leaving me alive. he asked a ransom for 5 mils. i got only 415000 isks coz i spent all fot fitting the prophecy so i asked the corp for money and in the same time i advised them of this problem. They started counting down and when i get hans money pressed the ok button in the same time i saw the number 2 appearing in the chat. 1 sec later they destroyed my ship. Then even if i paid they podded me. And this is what i think: Paying could be long but i paid in time. Destroying my ship could have been a mistake or perhaps u "feeled the blood pumping" (how exciting killing a damaged prophecy with ur ass on a new mega) But podding wasn't a mistake and u know that. U deliberately do that after i paid and u had enough time to heve seen i paid. actualy poddin u was the mistake i clicked my gun instead of my warp scam which is right under my guns. If i had seen my wallet flash i would hav stopped but i wasn't the one in control Will said he didn't hav the cash and told me via TS to fire at will so i did. U weren't dmged when we first attacked u, i saw u at 100% shields and armour - ur armour tank stood for a while but we manged to get u to structure b4 the ransomin. If u wanted to test ur ship do it in missions or 0.5+. 0.4 was meant for the start of pvp'in and u were simply in the wrong plae at the wrong time. I don't know if u feel guilty and want to defend urself or simply i didn't explained myself well enough but i've been misunderstood. I didn't write to accuse any1 of killing me. I just stated facts as they happened to me. I wrote them only to advise any1 who will read this forum what happened to me when Will Fireblade asked me for a ransom. It could happen again as it could not. I'm just saying to any1 "Be careful and think it twice before paying a ransom to this guy". PS: i had shields down. i don't remember exactly how much but i got them under 40%
Black 1	Posted - 2005.01.02 20:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Arnold Duncan I don't know if u feel guilty and want to defend urself or simply i didn't explained myself well enough but i've been misunderstood. I didn't write to accuse any1 of killing me. I just stated facts as they happened to me. I wrote them only to advise any1 who will read this forum what happened to me when Will Fireblade asked me for a ransom. It could happen again as it could not. I'm just saying to any1 "Be careful and think it twice before paying a ransom to this guy". PS: i had shields down. i don't remember exactly how much but i got them under 40% My Arse do i feel guilty i am just saying IF u payed when we said instead of tellin us to hang on u would hav to be in a new clone. PS: my locking said all of ur shields/armour and structure were at 100% when ii warped in. -----------
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.02 21:01:00 - [47] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 02/01/2005 22:52:14 Ugh I'm glad I don't have the retarded monkey idiot Mercenery Forces in my employment history. Mercenery Frigates had class, sad to see you become the lowest of scum scraping the bottom of the swamp. Just FYI MF has made it onto my permanently KOS list. (ooh scary!). Edit; I'm sure most of you are still cool, however the corp damn well isn't and if I had stayed in Mercenery Frigates and somehow miraculously was still a member, I'd pod Will myself, and anyone else who treated his own corp's and corpmates reputation like total ****. http://eve.klaki.net/
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.02 21:01:00 - [48]
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.01.02 21:39:00 - [49] but yeah I would have paid it back -------------------------------------------------
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.01.02 21:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Ugh I'm glad I don't have the retarded monkey idiot Mercenery Forces in my employment history. Mercenery Frigates had class, sad to see you become the lowest of scum scraping the bottom of the swamp. Just FYI MF has made it onto my permanently KOS list. (ooh scary!). Umm Mercenary Frigates/Mercenary Forces is the one and same thing, Ive been both since it began -------------------------------------------------

Frost88	Posted - 2005.01.02 22:59:00 - [51] Edited by: Frost88 on 02/01/2005 22:59:47 Mercenary Forces are not pirates, they're low down dirty griefers who give us real pirates a bad name. Do not confuse them with real pirates who will let you live if you pay. Edit: Good god, my grammar is failing. ------------------------------------------------ I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
Bellicose	Posted - 2005.01.02 23:38:00 - [52] Edited by: Bellicose on 02/01/2005 23:39:04 Originally by: Frost88 Edited by: Frost88 on 02/01/2005 22:59:47 Mercenary Forces are not pirates, they're low down dirty griefers who give us real pirates a bad name. Do not confuse them with real pirates who will let you live if you pay. what do you mean ??? sitting ontop of the Orvolle gate with 15+ ships ganking everything isent piracy?? /Sarcasme off Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon? KittenArmy capn' crimson
Kendar Zek	Posted - 2005.01.03 04:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Grim WTF... Lol im respectable also... i have received 100 Million total form 4 people at 25 Mil each for passes. I have let them go and free to pass. If you would like to ask whom, i promised to leave the identity of them alone and the corps that paid me. However that is for me and my alt corp and grim... does not mean anyone else however. So just because theres some issues where he was shot dead as he paid isk.... (his fault for slowness) doesnt mean we are all dishonurable. Maybe he should have paid faster.... I count downt too... they dont pay me at that timer than pop, just because i dont want them to have time to get help or cry.... but i have yet to have someone pay me as i launch a missle at the pod at the same time... I have always wondered how pirates come up with their price for ransom. I'm usually flying a cheap frigate with scavenged equipment, passing through to get to an agent. I have no implants. I'm fairly new, so even when podded, it would only cost me around $200-300k ISK to replace everything, including a more than adequate new clone. Do you pirates use any rhyme or reason, or just assume everyone has a full set of expensive implants and charge some ridiculous number of millions?
Dark Eagle	Posted - 2005.01.03 05:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Kendar Zek Originally by: Grim WTF... Lol im respectable also... i have received 100 Million total form 4 people at 25 Mil each for passes. I have let them go and free to pass. If you would like to ask whom, i promised to leave the identity of them alone and the corps that paid me. However that is for me and my alt corp and grim... does not mean anyone else however. So just because theres some issues where he was shot dead as he paid isk.... (his fault for slowness) doesnt mean we are all dishonurable. Maybe he should have paid faster.... I count downt too... they dont pay me at that timer than pop, just because i dont want them to have time to get help or cry.... but i have yet to have someone pay me as i launch a missle at the pod at the same time... I have always wondered how pirates come up with their price for ransom. I'm usually flying a cheap frigate with scavenged equipment, passing through to get to an agent. I have no implants. I'm fairly new, so even when podded, it would only cost me around $200-300k ISK to replace everything, including a more than adequate new clone. Do you pirates use any rhyme or reason, or just assume everyone has a full set of expensive implants and charge some ridiculous number of millions? ... some people actually fly battleships you know, plat insurance just over 30mil for tier 2, + value of any ship mods on there, hence - 30mil for tier 2 is well worth paying it is not wild fantastic numbers they make up, otherwise no1 wud pay.. wud they Piracy shall never die. Do not use the 'm-word' in my presence, or i may be forced to reprogram your harvestors to releive you of your limbs. Yarrr >=)
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.01.03 05:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Easy Target Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Easy Target not flaming... or trolling... or stirring... but.. why does paying a pirate mean they wont kill u?? He locked u.. He killed your ship.. He locked and scrambled your pod... Give me money or die... Oh yes honourable sir... take my isk.. now let me go... For the record, if someone pays me a bounty i wont kill them... But before u pay.. please please try to warp... chances are i am out of cap and u are free to go... U know who u are... :) Easy Target This whole situation toppled with your post reflects poorly on MF's reputation as a whole. Not that MF had a good reputation to begin with, im just wondering who the hell will hire MF's services when you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. FFS.. open your ears and shgut your snip mouth for 2 seconds... Pirate = criminal... Paying a pirate doesnt guarantee your freedom... or your safety... Whether u agree with killing people who pay bounties means very little... the fact is a pirate is out to kill u to make money... they will make that money any way they feel fit I agree, killing someone who pays a bounty is wrong, i wouldnt do it... Who was the nob who said he doesnt follow the true whatever of a pirate?? PIRATE = CRIMINAL = TRUST AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!! Yes, most will let u go if u pay, but they just nuked your ship and have your escape pod locked down. would u trust them? like really?? Oh, and cough, not caugh... Well i wanted to be picky... Flame away... chances are i wont be listening... U ever heard of pub arguements... Or u too young for pubs?? What they say, say the exact oposite... U cant win cos they arent argueing to win.. they are argueing to argue... simple... Easy Target The ULTIMATE of childish And u will now start on the: Yeah, but pirating in eve is done as u ransom, and then u let them go... Go on.. U know u want too... Troll bait cast... Flames lit... Post has been edited - Jacques Archambault Uh... what? I couldnt decipher anything of value in all that nonsensical garbage so i'll just refrain from arguing with you, save for this: Is the whole "pirate = criminal = not to be trusted" your personal views or does it summarize MF's stance on piracy? Pirate is not synonym to "do not trust". By your actions you are hurting the trade mate. ______________________ Pod from above.
Kendar Zek	Posted - 2005.01.03 05:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Dark Eagle Originally by: Kendar Zek I have always wondered how pirates come up with their price for ransom. I'm usually flying a cheap frigate with scavenged equipment, passing through to get to an agent. I have no implants. I'm fairly new, so even when podded, it would only cost me around $200-300k ISK to replace everything, including a more than adequate new clone. Do you pirates use any rhyme or reason, or just assume everyone has a full set of expensive implants and charge some ridiculous number of millions? ... some people actually fly battleships you know, plat insurance just over 30mil for tier 2, + value of any ship mods on there, hence - 30mil for tier 2 is well worth paying it is not wild fantastic numbers they make up, otherwise no1 wud pay.. wud they I understand that many folks fly well-fitted battleships. Given the fact that pirates have short times to demand ransoms, however, I'm still curious as to how they decide what to charge. Now, I'm of the mentality that ransoms should never be paid. After all, we are dealing with individuals who earn a living by causing general mayhem for others. Contrary to what people may say in these forums, a pirate is not, by definition, an honorable person. A pirate's word should be considered near valueless, in my opinion. Assuming, however, that there is honor amongst pirates and privateers, how do they set their fees? There must be some off the cuff calculation pirates are doing as ships jump through gates to determine just how much a person should pay to live. I'm very curious to know how these figures are actually reached. Perhaps if I knew there was some sense of business acumen going into the process, I'd be more inclined to pay if I encounter one of these gate-camping capitalists.
VIISUN	Posted - 2005.01.03 07:04:00 - [57] Ah, business. Sounds too much like work to me :op
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.03 07:49:00 - [58] Kendar, even if you have just standard mods, nothing tech 2 or named, then it's still worth it to pay 30 mil for a tier 1 BS. I believe 30 mil is what they often charge for tier 2 BS in fact, so you save a lot of isk and time shopping/building/refitting... Paying the ransom is practical and best for all involved parties. Especially considering how many people have full heads of insanely expensive implants. http://eve.klaki.net/
Kendar Zek	Posted - 2005.01.03 08:16:00 - [59] Tyrrax, I appreciate your effort to explain the BS ransom, but my question is - how do they ransom those of us who aren't flying battleships? I highly doubt the insurance rates for frigates, cruisers, and industrials is committed to most pirates' memories. On a side note, I would enjoy being shot by you, dear lady. Perhaps I would get into the business of mementos stenciled with - *Was it good for her? -Podded by Tyrrax Thorrk*
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.03 08:43:00 - [60] Once you have someone locked down you can take as much time as you want to ransom. Backup arriving to help you out usually just means more people for the pirates to ransom/kill. Someone like me who is ancient, rich and likely to be implant filled would have to pay more most likely than someone who's 2 weeks old in an osprey, no matter what ship I was flying. A pirate who ransoms regularly will know approximately how much to ask a cruiser pilot for, based on the age, corp and manner of the victim. Rude victims will get killed rather than ransomed as a rule... Frigate pilots will usually not get the option of paying a ransom, not enough isk to be had from someone flying something totally disposable, pods can be worth over 500 million isk to the victim, so they often get ransomed. http://eve.klaki.net/



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