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Logic Luke
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:30:00 -
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Hey :) Soo iam almost done with my inty training, but i dont know witch ship i want to fly? So i was hoping that you (forum) could help me figure out what ship i should choose. I dont know anything about them really, and i dont know if guns are better then missiles or the other way around :) Please, write some of your exp, with each ship :)
Cheers and fly safe 
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Logic Luke Hey :) Soo iam almost done with my inty training, but i dont know witch ship i want to fly? So i was hoping that you (forum) could help me figure out what ship i should choose. I dont know anything about them really, and i dont know if guns are better then missiles or the other way around :) Please, write some of your exp, with each ship :)
Cheers and fly safe 
In case of interceptors (aka. wtfspeed) light missiles will perform better than guns and this is why the Crow is deemed a very nice combat inty. __________________________________________________
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.09.26 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Originally by: Logic Luke Hey :) Soo iam almost done with my inty training, but i dont know witch ship i want to fly? So i was hoping that you (forum) could help me figure out what ship i should choose. I dont know anything about them really, and i dont know if guns are better then missiles or the other way around :) Please, write some of your exp, with each ship :)
Cheers and fly safe 
In case of interceptors (aka. wtfspeed) light missiles will perform better than guns and this is why the Crow is deemed a very nice combat inty.
No.
The Crow is the worst interceptor, by a LONG long way. If you HAVE to pick between the Crow and the Raptor, go with the Raptor and use it to tackle.
The real answer, sadly, is to crosstrain. The other three races get an excellent set of 'ceptors that crap on the Caldari ones from a great height. Even after the incoming rocket boost, the actual Crow hull lacks the ability to compete with the 'ranis, 'sader and Claw as a dogfighter.
Then again I only have several years as a specialist in fast moving ships to go on... Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |

Dario Wall
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price No.
The Crow is the worst interceptor, by a LONG long way. If you HAVE to pick between the Crow and the Raptor, go with the Raptor and use it to tackle.
The real answer, sadly, is to crosstrain. The other three races get an excellent set of 'ceptors that crap on the Caldari ones from a great height. Even after the incoming rocket boost, the actual Crow hull lacks the ability to compete with the 'ranis, 'sader and Claw as a dogfighter.
Then again I only have several years as a specialist in fast moving ships to go on...
If the Crow is as horrible as you claim, then that must explain all the solo and small gang kills I've had with one.
Granted, the speed and missile changes in recent expansions has pushed it further down the food chain, but it's still far from being worthless. Sure you might only be limited to frigates and lower tier cruisers, but what do you expect from a frigate hull?
@OP; If you're going to be tackling for a gang, the Raptor would be better in that role. If you're going to fly solo to pick off other frigates and some cruisers, then take the Crow.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dario Wall
Originally by: Stuart Price No.
The Crow is the worst interceptor, by a LONG long way. If you HAVE to pick between the Crow and the Raptor, go with the Raptor and use it to tackle.
The real answer, sadly, is to crosstrain. The other three races get an excellent set of 'ceptors that crap on the Caldari ones from a great height. Even after the incoming rocket boost, the actual Crow hull lacks the ability to compete with the 'ranis, 'sader and Claw as a dogfighter.
Then again I only have several years as a specialist in fast moving ships to go on...
If the Crow is as horrible as you claim, then that must explain all the solo and small gang kills I've had with one.
Granted, the speed and missile changes in recent expansions has pushed it further down the food chain, but it's still far from being worthless. Sure you might only be limited to frigates and lower tier cruisers, but what do you expect from a frigate hull?
@OP; If you're going to be tackling for a gang, the Raptor would be better in that role. If you're going to fly solo to pick off other frigates and some cruisers, then take the Crow.
I've fought tons of Crows. I regard them as free loot. There was one that was snaked and nano'd up to the eyeballs that I couldn't catch so I just left. So I suppose I should qualify my statement with:
"If you can afford a HG Snake set and are a really good manual pilot the Crow is decent. If you only fight people who don't know what they're doing, the Crow is decent. If you stick to shooting cruisers (who aren't carrying Warriors, since missiles are pretty bad at shooting them down) and hoping you brought enough missiles to plink through his buffer over the next few hours, the Crow is decent. For fighting other 'ceptors it's plain rubbish unless your opponent is an idiot who doesn't know how to overload or use a scram."
I expect more from my interceptors than the ability to kill t1 frigs and low tier cruisers.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 26/09/2010 14:50:16 Crows are snacks.
Biggest drawback is that in fights, you need to maintain range and therefor fly manualy.
You cant maintain range easily against another MWD ship if it trys to close distance and you will either end up loosing your point on him, by getting out of disruptor range for a few seconds, or he will catch you and you will die.
Sadly you always have to rely on your opponent to be either:
1. A realy terrible pilot. 2. terrible at using EFT. 3. AFK.
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:18:00 -
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Crow is rubish fitted with SML...any decently fast MWDing frig can overheat-approach on you, scram you and kill you quite fast, or if you are far enough, manually fly away from your point range. The "fit" long point, MSE and full nano days are over. Like a couple of years now.
All other combat ceptors are fitted to fight up to the edge of scram range, for a good reason, so likewise for the Crow rockets are the only way to make it "viable" as a solo "gank" ship of some short. But like all ceptors fitted for that purpose, the Crow will be far from a good tackler - just like the Claw, the Crusader and all other "scram-only" small tacklers.
With AB-Scram-Web it's actually a powerful bait as it's strongly underestimated by most other "combat" ceptors and could bring down a claw or blaster-ranis rather easily, but that's a niche role for solo-ing overconfident capsuleers only. -----------
As a tackler, the Raptor is designed and bonused to be far superior. I would choose it for gang work easily over the crow. Do not worry about dmg output, range, etc. Guns on long range tacklers are for taking out drones that are trailing you while you are holding prey pointed for your gang to kill. So be smart and forget about rails which will track @@ unless you scram/web your target, and fit high tracking, close range guns/missiles to bring down Drones. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |

Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:51:00 -
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I've used a raptor in larger gangs (3 guns, 1 sml, be sure to load faction long range ammo for the guns).
In smaller gangs crow is ok. Avoid taking on inties though I'd say.
Solo and only slightly larger....get a taranis.
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
The Crow is the worst interceptor, by a LONG long way. If you HAVE to pick between the Crow and the Raptor, go with the Raptor and use it to tackle.
Not to mention, a comedy blaster Raptor does almost twice the DPS of a rocket Crow (the combat interceptor).
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:47:00 -
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The Crow is a Caldari frigate. Do you REALLY need to hear more?
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Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.09.28 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price I expect more from my interceptors than the ability to kill t1 frigs and low tier cruisers.
This pretty much, but TBH, saying the Crow is the worst interceptor is a bit like saying the Porsche 911 is the worst sports car. Interceptor bonuses rock, even the Crow is more useful than any of the AF's IMO. Without order nothing can exist. Without chaos nothing can evolve. |

El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.09.28 05:57:00 -
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While the Crow underperforms compared to other inties, the amount of fail is mostly determined by the pilot.
Whenever I see a Crow killmail somewhere, it's a crow with speed mods, long point + SML. And those die for a reason.
Fit it differently, and it will perform better.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.09.28 07:53:00 -
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It's pretty straightforward for a Rocket Crow to kill a blaster-web Taranis, assuming the same prop mod on both ships. But change the Taranis to dual-prop or to rails and, well, I hope you insured that Crow.
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Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.28 17:09:00 -
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For pure tackling, the Raptor is a great ship. With a faction point, you can overheat for 3 mins, and point from 40+km. Pretty awesome capability when used properly...Won't help in a dogfight though, so depends on what you want. I personally favor the Raptor because I think its more cost effective.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.28 21:51:00 -
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Raptor's better of the two, because it's a better tackler. They're both a bit crap when it comes to combat capability.
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Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.28 22:48:00 -
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crow was popular when you could bypass bass speed stats by spending isk to improve your speed, it was the only inty that could do damage while doing 24kms and rarely would anyone be fast enough to catch you
since then . . . not so much
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.28 22:56:00 -
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Caldari inty`s are regarded as the worst, the fact that some people get so many kills just shows how little exp there targets have.
Oce you engage one with rockets always turn your MWD off and you usually are fine, Also they are slow for there class and have weak tanks, I dont see how anyone could say they are formidable in combat.
Maybe after Rocket/LM Buff but as of now its weakest ship in class. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.09.29 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm Caldari inty`s are regarded as the worst, the fact that some people get so many kills just shows how little exp there targets have.
Oce you engage one with rockets always turn your MWD off and you usually are fine, Also they are slow for there class and have weak tanks, I dont see how anyone could say they are formidable in combat.
Maybe after Rocket/LM Buff but as of now its weakest ship in class.
This basically describes much of the Caldari ship lineup rather than just interceptors.
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Ash Naseen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.09.29 10:35:00 -
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Unfortunately caldari ceptors are the worst of them all.
I am ready to fight against two crows with my crusader anytime and im pretty sure i will win, thats how bad the crow is. There were some crows i couldnt kill, guys with HG snakes, having a close camera on my ship and twitch mashing the distance button the second I'm starting to turn towards them but they couldnt do any damage at all and i just disengage after a few tries to close the distance.
My advice is to crosstrain if you want to fly interceptors and aim for crusader, claw or taranis (crusader preffered). Hit me ingame to give you some nice setup for it if interested.
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Car Wars
Mortis Angelus Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.09.29 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Car Wars on 29/09/2010 14:41:35 Crow used to be king of the inties before there was small rigs and speed nerf. It had its moment of glory, time for others to shine.
Only advandtage the crow has over the raptor is longer lock range. This is easy overcome by rigging the craptor. Craptor is nice tackle, with rig for more range you can circle around at 26km out of heavy neut range.
R.I.P. crow
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.29 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Kail Storm Caldari inty`s are regarded as the worst, the fact that some people get so many kills just shows how little exp there targets have.
Oce you engage one with rockets always turn your MWD off and you usually are fine, Also they are slow for there class and have weak tanks, I dont see how anyone could say they are formidable in combat.
Maybe after Rocket/LM Buff but as of now its weakest ship in class.
This basically describes much of the Caldari ship lineup rather than just interceptors.
'tis true, to an extent. Caldari ships are 'niche' and effective in a gang - enough that they're still worth a PvP speccing. But solo... nah. There's a few exceptions of course, but not many.
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