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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.08.01 11:27:00 -
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Will Dust require minerals to build stuff for Dust and where will those minerals come from?
The devs want to connect the two games together economically.
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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.08.01 11:42:00 -
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Why would anyone think this affect mineral prices? Max Yield isn't increasing, just tank. And this may be shocking, but when you gank a miner, he doesn't stop mining forever. We just reship and start mining again... |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
806
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Posted - 2012.08.01 11:45:00 -
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Sarik Olecar wrote:Why would anyone think this affect mineral prices? Max Yield isn't increasing, just tank. And this may be shocking, but when you gank a miner, he doesn't stop mining forever. We just reship and start mining again... Have you read any botting forums recently? Hulkageddon causes more tears there than here, and that's saying a lot. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.08.01 11:54:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Have you read any botting forums recently? Hulkageddon causes more tears there than here, and that's saying a lot. Still don't see how it would affect mineral prices though. Say at most a few hundred ships are ganked every day, and all of them are bots. Then you stopped a few hundred ships from mining for a few hours until their controllers can reset them. Seems like it's just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount traded in Jita daily... |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
806
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Posted - 2012.08.01 12:00:00 -
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Sarik Olecar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Have you read any botting forums recently? Hulkageddon causes more tears there than here, and that's saying a lot. Still don't see how it would affect mineral prices though. Say at most a few hundred ships are ganked every day, and all of them are bots. Then you stopped a few hundred ships from mining for a few hours until their controllers can reset them. Seems like it's just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount traded in Jita daily... I think some recent data released by CCP showed something like ~3 billion meters-¦ of ore is mined per day, with over half coming from high-sec space. Killing normal miners who switch activities (or at least stop mining for a while), and disrupting bot operations, both cause pretty significant decreases in total daily ore intake. Don't forget that the grand majority of Jita mineral transactions are speculative in nature, and as such, daily Jita transactions greatly exceed the actual daily mineral intake from asteroid belts. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.08.01 12:15:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:I think some recent data released by CCP showed something like ~3 billion meters-¦ of ore is mined per day, with over half coming from high-sec space. Killing normal miners who switch activities (or at least stop mining for a while), and disrupting bot operations, both cause pretty significant decreases in total daily ore intake. Don't forget that the grand majority of Jita mineral transactions are speculative in nature, and as such, daily Jita transactions greatly exceed the actual daily mineral intake from asteroid belts.
You may be right. However, I still don't think the any changes coming from the EHP buff will be enough to offset the changes to drone and mission drops. I wouldn't mind being wrong though, I do miss 30mil Drakes... |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4376
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Posted - 2012.08.01 12:56:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Sarik Olecar wrote:Why would anyone think this affect mineral prices? Max Yield isn't increasing, just tank. And this may be shocking, but when you gank a miner, he doesn't stop mining forever. We just reship and start mining again... Have you read any botting forums recently? Hulkageddon causes more tears there than here, and that's saying a lot.
Well don't tease us like that - post the good stuff! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
55
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:01:00 -
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Seriously? Even if the prices crash, I don't dare, cause mining will not be such a chore anymore... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
813
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:05:00 -
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AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.
+1 on this.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
63
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:22:00 -
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Thing is, people who hate mining and would never mine will still never mine. Mineral prices will never go nuts unless Mining suddenly overnight becomes very interesting. |

Wallimiyama
1st Contact
11
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:24:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Once CCP introduces the barge changes there will be a massive influx of cheap minerals to the market.
I for one am hoping to return to the glory days of 30m isk drakes. If only tech prices would drop too.
Your isk is about to have more buying power than you could possibly imagine.
"The world will end this afternoon!!! Details on the nightly news at 11 pm."
Derp. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
808
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:25:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Thing is, people who hate mining and would never mine will still never mine. Mineral prices will never go nuts unless Mining suddenly overnight becomes very interesting. I really see no reason why I shouldn't get a bunch of Mack alts and passively mine as long as I mine enough to buy, say, two PLEXes at the end of the month (one to pay for the account, and another to justify running it). Is this what you guys want? Do you really want a month's worth of daily afk-mining to be worth less than a billion ISK? Because that's what you're going to get. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
207
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:50:00 -
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Agree with this assessment. The mineral markets (or at least the high sec minerals) will go downhill fast. Same goes with ice.
Many miners are very independent, and these changes will allow them to be much more effective while still remaining independent. This will slowly flood the market with cheaper and cheaper minerals.
The lack of fear, more so than the actual numerical changes, is what will bring miners back to the fields and drive prices down.
Refiners, T1 manufacturers, mission runners and casual PVPers all stand to gain from this turn of events.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
39
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:00:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:Agree with this assessment. The mineral markets (or at least the high sec minerals) will go downhill fast. Same goes with ice.
Many miners are very independent, and these changes will allow them to be much more effective while still remaining independent. This will slowly flood the market with cheaper and cheaper minerals.
The lack of fear, more so than the actual numerical changes, is what will bring miners back to the fields and drive prices down.
Refiners, T1 manufacturers, mission runners and casual PVPers all stand to gain from this turn of events.
Thats the thing that I disagree with, independent miners havent stopped mining. Its just that fewer people are mining because fewer people are playing. Its not a less miners thing related to hulkagedon, its a less players (likely many miners) who simply stopped playing. Now wether its because of hulkagedon or not I suppose is arguable, but it is a fact that today there is roughly 10-20k fewer people playing round the clock than there were a year ago. I mean at peek times a year ago it was not uncommon for me to log in and see 50+ people playing, today I find that during those same times as few as 25k to a max of 40k play today.
I don't see how this change in particular will suddenly bring all those people back to the game. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
808
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:03:00 -
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If fewer people are playing, but the proportionality between miners and non-miners remained the same, then the supply-demand function for minerals shouldn't have changed.
Edit: Yes, I know, drone poo and meta 0. We need more concrete data to analyze the situation. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition VORTEX RISING
146
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:12:00 -
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Why can't i hold all these tear threads. |

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
174
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:27:00 -
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Suicide ganking. Saving the world since forever. |

Mr Management
Anger Management
13
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:34:00 -
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Anything that gives the game back to the masses and away from Goons gets my vote. |

Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:07:00 -
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Mr Management wrote:Anything that gives the game back to the masses and away from Goons gets my vote.
Too bad that he goons are controlling technecium which is definitely not going to be affected by these changes. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1165
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:15:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Mr Management wrote:Anything that gives the game back to the masses and away from Goons gets my vote. Too bad that he goons are controlling technecium which is definitely not going to be affected by these changes. I thought CCP was adding Tech alchemy or somesuch (not up on the tech stuff entirely). |

Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:18:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Mr Management wrote:Anything that gives the game back to the masses and away from Goons gets my vote. Too bad that he goons are controlling technecium which is definitely not going to be affected by these changes. I thought CCP was adding Tech alchemy or somesuch (not up on the tech stuff entirely).
Read the market forum. It isn't a viable alternative because of how lossy the process is. |

Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
114
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:23:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply. I can guarantee to you that CCP will not adjust the build costs of in-game items that already exist. Really? You can make guarantee's for CCP? I'm quite impressed.
/sarcasim off
You do realize that 6 in-game items will have build costs adjusted starting next week? I'll give you a hint - Mining Barges and Exhumers. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression -á- The only way to go! |

Pipa Porto
601
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:28:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply. I can guarantee to you that CCP will not adjust the build costs of in-game items that already exist.
You mean like they didn't adjust the build lists of every T2 item in the game when they nerfed R64s and accidentally Tech?
Oh, wait... that was what got them in trouble in the first place. They tried to nerf R64s by adding alchemy and modifying the build lists of every component in the game to use less R64. That second part made R64s quite oversupplied compared to tech, resulting in the Tech bottleneck and... and... and.
Also, what the other guy said. The Exhumers/Barges have already had their materials list changed on SISI. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
31
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:33:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!
I have a tinfoil hat you could borrow, it looks like you misplaced yours.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.08.01 21:08:00 -
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The mineral market will crash cause the already over-mined Highsec belts will suddenly have unlimited ore. Derp. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Knight Cabbage
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.08.01 21:50:00 -
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A significant part of the mineral price increase was due to the drone and the meta 0 drop nerfs. So it's questionable if the changes to the barges will have such a big effect. |

Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
907
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:44:00 -
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All I'm getting from this is "mining is still a really lame profession."
Duly noted. I think I have what I came for. Get a real job you miner bums! 
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ugh zug
27
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:56:00 -
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AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.
more likely the null sec alliance tears about moongoo nerfs. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |

Pipa Porto
601
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Posted - 2012.08.02 00:06:00 -
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ugh zug wrote:AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. more likely the null sec alliance tears about moongoo nerfs.
You mean the nerf that the largest Tech holding alliance has been calling for for years? That nerf?
Anyway, how is moongoo on topic here? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Betrinna Cantis
26
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Posted - 2012.08.02 00:07:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:baltec1 wrote: I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.
You should buy a pod with a sarcasm serge protector. Also comes with Brain Bleach I.V. for how Goons are destroying the game threads. Destiny Corrupted wrote:The only reason gankers are affected is because this will affect our massive RMT bot farms. If trit's gonna become one ISK per unit again, then I'll have to switch my datacenter's worth of PCs to WoW fishing or something. Good thing CCP isn't an Airline Company because now would be the time you were quietly walked into the backroom for a rubber glove search. Rols up sleeves...... Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
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