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Kryss Darkdust The Skulls 36	Posted - 2012.08.01 06:43:00 - [31] - Quote The prices will drop, but the drop won't be as significant as people think it will, for one reason. Miners will not start flying tanked hulks or take advantage of the buff in anyway. Simply put, miners always go for max yield in High Sec with the presumption that its perfectly safe (because it should be according to them). Even the fact that an announced event that rewards people for killing Hulks was going on it didn't suddenly prevent even a single bloody miner to alter the way they grind resources, fit ships or tactically behave. Simply put, Miners aren't particularly clever players, its why they mine, its the simplest thing you can do in the game. It take no skills, understanding of the mechanics, practice, talent or event a smudging of intelect. Point laser at rock... sit and wait. If you get blown up, come to the forum and cry about it. Suicide Gankers on the other hand are the most adaptive players in the game. No matter how they bloody do it, they will find a way to blow up Hulks again. In 6 years of playing this game I have never seen a time when Suicide Gankers where ever detered from anything. All they need is something to motivate them to do it and these guys are easy... a little contest that puts a crown on the best one and they will come out in droves to claim it. I expect a drop in resource prices, but we won't see a return to 1 isk Trit days.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 337	Posted - 2012.08.01 06:44:00 - [32] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: baltec1 wrote: Torvin Yulus wrote: BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour! I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that. Based on his other posts I don't think that is sarcasm. it is, he misread some thing i said yesterday and is on some kind of childish tantrum crusade. i simply pointed out that even if miner income goes down, so do the prices of things miners buy. so in reality miners don't care because they'll sit in an asteroid belt for x hours to buy item y regardless of mineral prices. some how he managed to interpret that as something entirely different. i'm still trying to figure out exactly what he thought i meant though since he's about as eloquent as a child throwing a tantrum. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 804	Posted - 2012.08.01 06:46:00 - [33] - Quote Kryss Darkdust wrote: Suicide Gankers on the other hand are the most adaptive players in the game. No matter how they bloody do it, they will find a way to blow up Hulks again. In 6 years of playing this game I have never seen a time when Suicide Gankers where ever detered from anything. Gank victims disagree, lol. Edit: I mean look, half the responses in these threads are still "GANKER TEARS LMAO!!1" despite us telling them that this isn't going to affect our ganking efforts (and in fact, is likely to increase them out of spite, just like after the CONCORD insurance removal). (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kryss Darkdust The Skulls 36	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:15:00 - [34] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: Suicide Gankers on the other hand are the most adaptive players in the game. No matter how they bloody do it, they will find a way to blow up Hulks again. In 6 years of playing this game I have never seen a time when Suicide Gankers where ever detered from anything. Gank victims disagree, lol. Edit: I mean look, half the responses in these threads are still "GANKER TEARS LMAO!!1" despite us telling them that this isn't going to affect our ganking efforts (and in fact, is likely to increase them out of spite, just like after the CONCORD insurance removal). Well they are the most adaptive players, but they are also the biggest cry babies in Eve.... it takes a true tard to be a ganker. But still, I admire their spunk and commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people and as one who makes ISK off their tardation, I support them whole-heartedly... but it is a fact that no matter what changes have taken place in this game, their have always been suicide gankers who found a way to make it happen. Changing the rules of the game has done nothing to deter them. Unlike Miners who haven't changed since release day, still fiting their ships exactly as they did 7 years ago, mining the same belts they did 7 years ago and still getting ganked on a regular as they did 7 years ago. I think as long as someone out there is willing to shell out to maintain the Hulkagedon or whatever its called, there will be people trying to figuire out how to blow them up.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 337	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:23:00 - [35] - Quote Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 804	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:24:00 - [36] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 337	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:27:00 - [37] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Dave stark wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels. i'm glad to hear that you will. if you carry on ganking and actually incur a loss for doing so then i have nothing to do but respect you for your dedication. however when catalysts are popping hulks like pinatas because the module drops alone will cover the cost of the concored ship, it was almost obvious another ganker "nerf" would be on it's way. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 574	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:27:00 - [38] - Quote AdmiralJohn wrote: I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. Strangely enough Trit price just drop from 10 to 6.5 isk/un and new mining barges aren't even there. Imho trading and market manipulations need a huge nerf bat, not mining or mining barges. Keep dumping your stuff and try to make some profit out of it. brb
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 596	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:30:00 - [39] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Dave stark wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels. Bluffing I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 337	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:31:00 - [40] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: AdmiralJohn wrote: I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. Strangely enough Trit price just drop from 10 to 6.5 isk/un and new mining barges aren't even there. Imho trading and market manipulations need a huge nerf bat, not mining or mining barges. Keep dumping your stuff and try to make some profit out of it. where are you buying your trit? over the last week or so it's gone from 7-6.5 in jita Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 4376	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:32:00 - [41] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Once CCP introduces the barge changes there will be a massive influx of cheap minerals to the market. I for one am hoping to return to the glory days of 30m isk drakes. If only tech prices would drop too. Your isk is about to have more buying power than you could possibly imagine. Why? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 804	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:32:00 - [42] - Quote rodyas wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Dave stark wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels. Bluffing Empirical evidence says otherwise. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kryss Darkdust The Skulls 36	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:33:00 - [43] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ***** with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. True but suicide ganking as an activity overall is not nearly as profitable as pretty much doing anything else. Yeah Im sure they get in the green a few million but a couple of strip miners is hardly worth all the effort that goes into suicide ganking between the sec loss, fitting ships, waiting for timers to expire... I don't see how you could make more ISK doing that than say just joining the miners. I think thats part of the reason why miners are unphased and don't change their habits even with Hulkagedons going on. There is no reason to. Even with an occassional ship loss they are making a killing. Suicide ganking hasn't been detered by rules and mechanics changes, but suicide ganking has not detered mining either. In fact its made it so blood profitable even I got into it recently because ** it... its a gold mine right now. This whole Hulkagedon has made a lot of miners EXTREMLY rich.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 804	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:36:00 - [44] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Dave stark wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels. i'm glad to hear that you will. if you carry on ganking and actually incur a loss for doing so then i have nothing to do but respect you for your dedication. however when catalysts are popping hulks like pinatas because the module drops alone will cover the cost of the concored ship, it was almost obvious another ganker "nerf" would be on it's way. I already incur a loss. You think I bother to loot the wrecks? Well, if it's like a cluster of them, sure, and I most definitely don't expend any more resources than I have to (I might have half a trillion, but that doesn't mean I'm going to use Machariels to pop barges). Really, we don't gank for profit. Profit might be an incentive, but it's not the main draw. But yeah, I agree with that last statement. This isn't the first nerf to ganking, and it definitely won't be the last. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 574	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:39:00 - [45] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: AdmiralJohn wrote: I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. Strangely enough Trit price just drop from 10 to 6.5 isk/un and new mining barges aren't even there. Imho trading and market manipulations need a huge nerf bat, not mining or mining barges. Keep dumping your stuff and try to make some profit out of it. where are you buying your trit? over the last week or so it's gone from 7-6.5 in jita About a good month ago I was selling some stuff around 10 isk/un and those sell orders were gone before I could put another one, at 6.5isk/un I'm just stocking again to build stuff. And no I'm not selling in Jita, it's only good for market bots/traders/scam and all the fakes alike. brb
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 596	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:41:00 - [46] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: rodyas wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Dave stark wrote: Kryss Darkdust wrote: commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull... ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable. We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels. Bluffing Empirical evidence says otherwise. Well good luck, of course you don't need luck apperently I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Nirnias Stirrum Insidious Design 262	Posted - 2012.08.01 07:57:00 - [47] - Quote Market Discussion forum is that way ----->
dexington 105	Posted - 2012.08.01 08:25:00 - [48] - Quote Grandpa Bill wrote: Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are. 80% of the annual diamond production are synthetic diamonds, primarily synthesized for industrial use. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á
Seleia O'Sinnor Drop of Honey 245	Posted - 2012.08.01 08:30:00 - [49] - Quote I hope for candy bars! New inventory: Please bring back the old system this is a usability nightmare.
Kryss Darkdust The Skulls 37	Posted - 2012.08.01 08:40:00 - [50] - Quote Resource prices in Eve are impacted far more by subscriber numbers and amount of people playing than they are by anything that actually happens in game or anything people do in game. Right now there is roughly 10-20k less people playing on a daily basis than there where a year or two ago. This has far more to do with the failures of WIS and the fiasco's surrounding it than it has to do with Hulkagedons and anything Goons are doing. I mean I'm sure they had their impact, but globaly there are less players and less players means less supply of resources because their are less people mining as well as less demand. Changing the barges is not going to have as much of an impact in my opinion because we aren't suddenly going to regain 10-20k players on a daily basis as a result of it. Sure some of the people that mined in Hulks that stopped during the Hulkagedon might start mining but I honestly don't think Hulkagedons impact on the game has been as big part of the formula of the economy as people give it credit for. The people that mine, continued to mine despite hulkagedon IF they continued to play at all and those that didn't mine still don't mine. Suicide ganking hasn't impacted this aspect of the game, the dropping subscriber numbers has. In particular when you consider that your average player and in particular miners tend to run multiple accounts while mining so for each mining player that quit you probobly lost 2 or more accounts on average (2 or more physical miners in the game world). I'm not saying that is all there is to it, but if you compare subscriber number averages to shifting resource prices you'll always find a match.
Marconus Orion Ministry of War Amarr Empire 371	Posted - 2012.08.01 08:42:00 - [51] - Quote And Falcons will still make me rage...
Virgil Travis Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated 503	Posted - 2012.08.01 08:50:00 - [52] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: baltec1 wrote: Torvin Yulus wrote: BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour! I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that. Based on his other posts I don't think that is sarcasm. Oh it is, very much so Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Hypercake Mix Magical Rainbow Bakery 5	Posted - 2012.08.01 09:15:00 - [53] - Quote Better than nothing happening at all. Wouldn't want things to get boring.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance 114	Posted - 2012.08.01 09:37:00 - [54] - Quote Looks like a success of Hulkageddon.
Tobiaz Spacerats 675	Posted - 2012.08.01 10:18:00 - [55] - Quote One of the best things of EVE is the harsh consequences of dieing. Cheap minerals mean cheap ships, means less harsh consequences, means EVE suffers. If you can't afford losing a ton of Drakes all day... then don't. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 574	Posted - 2012.08.01 10:26:00 - [56] - Quote Market manipulation V3.1 Title: forum propaganda brb
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 4376	Posted - 2012.08.01 10:28:00 - [57] - Quote The artifically low mineral prices of the 2009-2011 era were mostly driven down by minerals from the drone regions and hordes of mining bots. Plus quite a lot of minerals from loot reprocessing. Drone loot isn't coming back. T1 loot drops aren't coming back. And right now it's not a great time to be a miner bot; even the new Skiffs won't tank the SreegHammerGäó. The new mining barges might make mining in hi-sec a little safer if hi-sec miners switch over to the Procurer/Skiff, but I rather suspect that a majority of them will keep right on Hulking, at least until that Hulk they already own gets popped. Who wants to spend ISK to make less ISK? I'd be prepared to bet that a majority of hi-sec miners aren't even aware that the other exhumers are changing so radically. In short: things won't change all that much. Minerals might fall a little, but not by very much. Assuming that you can tolerate the essentially boring process of mining, it's a great time to be a miner. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 4376	Posted - 2012.08.01 10:29:00 - [58] - Quote Oh and there'll still be plenty of chumps in untanked Hulks for a while yet... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
baltec1 Bat Country 1760	Posted - 2012.08.01 10:32:00 - [59] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Oh and there'll still be plenty of chumps in untanked Hulks for a while yet... I'm going with forever.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 574	Posted - 2012.08.01 10:35:00 - [60] - Quote Tobiaz wrote: One of the best things of EVE is the harsh consequences of dieing. Cheap minerals mean cheap ships, means less harsh consequences, means EVE suffers. If you can't afford losing a ton of Drakes all day... then don't. If you feel you don't have enough downsides or penalties playing with pixels I can give you a couple ideas like hammer hit your foot fingers rl, hit your back on the window corner or slap your own head with the toilet door. It's funny to read so many tears about these mining barges changes, crocodile tears and tr+ál+ál+á. brb

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