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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:47:00 -
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EVE Online Tyrannis 1.1 has been deployed. WeÆd like to hear what you think about this patch. Please do not report issues in this thread, as this is for general feedback only.
If you have an issue please use this thread.
Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Wenoc
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Wenoc on 30/09/2010 19:19:46
First off, you've done something to dragging and dropping. It's harder to hit small stuff, like for example the cargo button in space when you loot stuff directly to that. Maybe you've disabled the icon anchoring on the mouse in the upper left corner? Anyway, it's a bad change.
Second, surveying in PI will make the first extractor yellow. Why? It seems something was half-made but didn't make it to the patch, but still half of it got through?
Third, when you select a processor blueprint the list view is new. While it looks nice with the icons and all, but it's much slower to scroll instead so configuring several processors takes much more time (currently reworking a chain including 30+ processors).
Fourth, PI routes seem to be remembered sometimes when reconfiguring a processor. Sometimes not. Previously they never did.
Fifth, PI surveying is now about double as fast as before. Good job. Halfway there. But we didn't ask for them to be faster. We asked for multiple selection == less clicks, not faster ones!
Sixth, you modified PI despite stating you didn't, in the patch notes.
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Raven Alexandr
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Raven Alexandr on 30/09/2010 19:23:54
Way to break login. Gotta hand it to you CCP, you have managed to make EvE less and less desirable with every buggy bad idea you have implemented in Tyrannis. Currently 500 people have been able to log in in the last 10 minutes, so at this rate, with only the people waiting in que (600) it will take an hour to login. Funny, EvE has never needed a login que before, nor does any other MMO, so why start now? FAIL
So now the que is gone, but when you actually log in it crashes the connection and your back to the login screen....
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wibblesome
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:16:00 -
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Will we be getting a more in-depth explanation of the extended downtime, either in a dev blog or in this thread? |
Axel Strom
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:21:00 -
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Did you guys change the font? It suddenly looks terrible 
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:21:00 -
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After we deployed Tranquility, we discovered a client issue that required immediate attention. That's pretty much the jist of it.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:21:00 -
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Drag and drop mouse anchor isn't at the top left of the icon, IT IS A TERRIBLE CHANGE and a huge headache when repeatedly moving multiple items across corp hangars.
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Nae Kydwon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:23:00 -
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Mac Client:
No issues as of yet. Everything looks the same as yesterday to me.
Will update for a while as I progress in the game.
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Sazuka Kirr
Caldari
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Sazuka Kirr on 30/09/2010 19:25:37
Corpmates are showing with blue stars, not green.
I just closed local and I can't seem to open it again.
-EDIT-
It reopened when I jumped into the next system.
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eferey
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:25:00 -
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Certification planner doesn't show Level numbers. Both on PC and MAC clients. |
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Patripassion
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:29:00 -
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Some of the files have been modified! Please re-install.
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Ari G0ld
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:38:00 -
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Hats off to CCP.
Yes CCP **** up on Patch Days. Buts not entirely their fault.
Things have a habit of not going the way they planned. At the end of the day, as long as CCP don't turn round and say, sorry folks we lost your toons.
**** all you bastards who complain and want compensation for the lost time lol.
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:38:00 -
[13]
 Originally by: "Patch notes"
The backend of the EVE User Interface has been refactored to allow for faster development and ease of programming.
I'm expecting one hell of a lot of UI issues in the near future, but hopefully this will mean the Devs can improve it more easily.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Impetar
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Blnukem 192 on 30/09/2010 19:41:37
Thanks CCP, you broke the UI even more than it already was.
No more module / fitting sounds (minor, but now I'm forced to double check when I activate a mod...), corp mates are now listed as militia / alliance members, and all of my windows are resetting, moving, and resizing on their own after I used certain tabs, undock, or re-log.
Bravo. EVE is actually unplayable for me, since my windows reset so much.
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Lou Cowt
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:43:00 -
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In space my tabs are completely broken. The overview has remained the same size on the right of the screen but every tab and window stretches (off of it) to the far left and is greyed out. Its like it doesnt realise the extent of the overviews window and continues on. No amount of jiggery pokery is fixing it.
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manidu
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:43:00 -
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Certification planner isn't showing any required levels... Just "Level"... ;)
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H3llHound
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:43:00 -
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When I right-click on a ablueprint and select Manufacture, the Manufacture window opens but I always get that 'error sound'. Dont know if thats intended.
P.s. Sry for typos that might be, I am drunk :D
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Psymn
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:45:00 -
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Ok so i was expecting the window stacks and positions to be reset.. As many have said that isnt the end of it.
Windows can be stacked and seem to remember their position, unless they are pinned. Pinned windows seems to ALWAYS revert to some default position as they were at first log in.
Unpinned windows seem to behave OK with the exception of the fleet window which in my case always resizes to twice the height i set it on opening. It does drag back to the size i want so its not a window size restriction...
Obviously i would like to be able to pin my windows at some point so i dont accidentally mess up my stacked windows by dragging one off.
Oh, and we can stack the LP store now, thanks for that at least :)
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Feed Syndication
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:46:00 -
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Why the huge delay after a "simple" patch? Giving information about the how and why really helps when you cant log in for more then 6 hours!
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Mistress Mirrabell
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
After we deployed Tranquility, we discovered a client issue that required immediate attention. That's pretty much the jist of it.
I think you guys missed quite a damn bit of the opps, 16mb patch, 2mb worth of fixes, 14mb of bugs just for the fun!
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EL Brutor
Minmatar
M.M.I.
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:05:00 -
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Some game windows (Overview, fitting, cargohold, assets etc) refuse to stay where u opened them last time and take up their own size, no matter how many times u tell them to. I m a man of order, I d like my game windows to stay put, this is anarchy. Oh yeah, some sounds are gone as well (module activation).
Dampening, stasis, scramble, target painting effect little icon in overview also missing. I sense a DT coming
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Zebs Clone
Minmatar
Zebra Corp
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Zebs Clone on 30/09/2010 20:11:25
why do all of my chat windows move every time i log in on 2 different installs?
why do all my corp mates show an alliance blue star?
when is the patch fix patch coming? cos this is a mess
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Konnrade
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:11:00 -
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Much love for align to bookmarks.
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Gerardd
Caldari
Khanid Division
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:20:00 -
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Patch fails with "Failed to extract 7z package". Repair fails with a Python error.
Version number: 2.17
Base package url: http://content.eveonline.com
Update url: http://www.eveonline.com/patches/repairtool_version.txt
Output folder: C:\DOCUME~1\daams\LOCALS~1\Temp\nsm33D.tmp
Extract: MSVCR71.dll... 100%
Extract: Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest... 100%
Extract: _hashlib.pyd... 100%
Extract: _socket.pyd... 100%
Extract: _ssl.pyd... 100%
Extract: bz2.pyd... 100%
Extract: msvcm80.dll... 100%
Extract: msvcp80.dll... 100%
Extract: msvcr80.dll... 100%
Extract: pylzma.pyd... 100%
Extract: python25.dll... 100%
Extract: rollsum.pyd... 100%
Extract: select.pyd... 100%
Extract: unicodedata.pyd... 100%
Extract: w9xpopen.exe... 100%
Extract: python25.zip... 100%
Output folder:
Delete file: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\repair_rqpxaq
1285877969.921 - Traceback (most recent call last):
1285877969.921 - File "repair.pyc", line 78, in main
1285877969.921 - File "zsync.pyc", line 24, in RestoreFile
1285877969.921 - File "urllib2.pyc", line 124, in urlopen
1285877969.921 - File "urllib2.pyc", line 381, in open
1285877969.921 - File "urllib2.pyc", line 404, in _open
1285877969.921 - File "urllib2.pyc", line 360, in _call_chain
1285877969.921 - File "urllib2.pyc", line 1140, in unknown_open
1285877969.921 - URLError: <urlopen error unknown url type: --working_dir=c>
1285877969.921 - Locals by frame, innermost last:
1285877969.921 - Frame <module> in <string> at line 1:
1285877969.921 - __builtins__ = <module '__builtin__' (built-in)>
1285877969.921 - __doc__ = None
1285877969.921 - __name__ = '__main__'
1285877969.921 - nsis = <module 'nsis' (built-in)>
1285877969.921 - repair = <module 'repair' from 'C:\DOCUME~1\daams\LOCALS~1\Temp\nsm33D.tmp\python25.zip\repair.pyc'>
1285877969.921 - sys = <module 'sys' (built-in)>
1285877969.921 - Frame main in repair.pyc at line 83:
1285877969.921 - item = 'C:\\Program Files\\CCP\\EVE\\repair.exe'
1285877969.921 - url = '--working_dir=C:\\Program Files\\CCP\\EVE'
1285877969.921 - Frame RestoreFile in zsync.pyc at line 24:
1285877969.921 - fileUrl = '--working_dir=C:\\Program Files\\CCP\\EVE'
1285877969.921 - filepath = 'C:\\Program Files\\CCP\\EVE\\repair.exe'
1285877969.921 - suffix = '.rsum'
1285877969.921 - Frame urlopen in urllib2.pyc at line 124:
1285877969.921 - data = None
1285877969.921 - url = '--working_dir=C:\\Program Files\\CCP\\EVE'
1285877969.921 - Frame open in urllib2.pyc at line 381:
1285877969.921 - data = None
1285877969.921 - fullurl = '--working_dir=C:\\Program Files\\CCP\\EVE'
1285877969.921 - meth_name = '--working_dir=c_request'
1285877969.921 - protocol = '--working_dir=c'
1285877969.921 - req = <urllib2.Request instance at 0x0183B530>
1285877969.921 - self = <urllib2.OpenerDirector instance at 0x015D84B8>
1285877969.921 - Frame _open in urllib2.pyc at line 404:
1285877969.921 - data = None
1285877969.921 - protocol = '--working_dir=c'
1285877969.921 - req = <urllib2.Request instance at 0x0183B530>
1285877969.921 - result = None
1285877969.921 - self = <urllib2.OpenerDirector instance at 0x015D84B8>
1285877969.921 - Frame _call_chain in urllib2.pyc at line 360:
1285877969.921 - args = (<urllib2.Request instance at 0x0183B530>,)
1285877969.921 - chain = {'unknown': [<urllib2.UnknownHandler instance at 0x015D83C8>], 'http': [<urllib2.HTTPHandler instance at 0x0183B210>], 'https': [<urllib2.HTTPSHandler instance at 0x0183B4B8>], 'file': [<urllib2.FileHandler instance at 0x0183B3F0>], 'ftp': [<urllib2.FTPHandler instance at 0x0183B3A0>]}
1285877969.921 - func = <bound method UnknownHandler.unknown_open of <urllib2.UnknownHandler instance at 0x015D83C8>
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:22:00 -
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Just a friendly reminder that this thread is for feedback about the patch. If you are having any problems please post in the issues thread.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
Contact Us |
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:29:00 -
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Dear CCP.
I have no polite words to express the disappointment of the most bugged build went from test server to live.
You just killed EVE. Entirely.
What is this I can't keep just two windows stacked for more than a second?
Testcase?
Open cargohold of ship A.
Open cargohold of ship B.
Stack them together.
Make stack pinned.
Close stack.
Open cargohold of either ship.
Do you still think EVE can be playable?
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Veilag
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Just a friendly reminder that this thread is for feedback about the patch. If you are having any problems please post in the issues thread.
1/10 (and im been generous)
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Feydlynn
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:31:00 -
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I Think you guys have done an excellent job, well done ccp :)
come on guys, every game is with its faults
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Feydlynn
I Think you guys have done an excellent job, well done ccp :)
come on guys, every game is with its faults
This one is just below the level of failure... Releasing a patch to make UI inaccessible is like... Well, killing game.
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Steijn
Minmatar
Quay Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Feydlynn
I Think you guys have done an excellent job, well done ccp :)
come on guys, every game is with its faults
How can you say that when this patch has created more problems than its cured?
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Feydlynn
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:44:00 -
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because everyone is moaning about it, I'm an anti-conformatist :p
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Gehen Sealbreaker
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:46:00 -
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Excellent job, as always.
Some small glitches - see my post in issues thread - but overall a rather quick deployment and no major problem experienced.
As far as the improvements are concerned, I assume most of the reworked parts are in the background, invisible steps required before more content or functionality is added...
But there's one thing very easy to notice, it's the drop from 2-3 seconds per extractor to do a survey in PI, to about 1 second now. Which means that my clicking frenzy at every logon to restart all extractors on all planets is now much faster, and it pleases me a lot :)
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:47:00 -
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A feedback thread but without listing problems? That'd be a very small thread.  |
Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:56:00 -
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Align to Bookmark, Thanks. 
Very useful feature that I never though would be put in game. Any reason why it was not in the patch notes?
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:56:00 -
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Let me be honest, they've released client with bugs being known (and confirmed) since Aug 30, 2010.
I can provide links to my reports, majority of them has status "attached to a defect", none of them "fixed".
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Thanks CCP for cu |
Exigo
Amarr
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:08:00 -
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1)Drag and Drop - Drag has sound, drop no longer has sound.
2) Corp members are blue star now instead of green. No way to visually identify them as corp mates. |
raukosen
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:09:00 -
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The text in the typing field looks different from the text in chat, you can sometimes close un-closable windows like 'corp' and 'fleet', modules don't give off a sound when you click on them to activate them, I had an issue where my tanking modules weren't working
Good patch
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Alex Kriminov
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:10:00 -
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My Feedback: Nothing is perfect at the beginning.
Pleased with increased speed with PI functions but a bit disappointed by not seeing some grouping of basic functions. Understand and appreciate the communication regarding large client error, look forward to more info on error once other bugs have been fixed. Didn't like having to fix my channel overlays but I believe you communicated beforehand that this issue might arise after patch. So, managed my expectation there and we are fine assuming it doesn't become a persistent issue.
Appreciate the fact that you are already aware of and working to fix the other bugs that have been mentioned. I would expect those to be fixed over the next day or so as a reasonable expectation.
I didn't experience any login problems but I waited until about 1900 EVE time to logon.
For me, things have went well with only a couple of minor issues. I can understand folks getting upset by logon issues and really upset with total crash of the client. My perception is this went from a minor patch to quite a bit more with the error that emerged. I suppose this could explain why folks are so upset or maybe it's just a few who post valuable feeback and info, whereas the majority just want to whine and complain.
Cheers!
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:12:00 -
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General feedback: fire the QA team. They have made a terrible job.
And to the developers: why do you touch code sections, where you have nothing to do.
What you do there is only broking things.
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Galphram NefreX
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:21:00 -
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The only good thing to come out of this, I can't see any of the usual macro miners in the system I am in, So clearly the screwed up interface has ruined them. Woohoo lol
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ovenproofjet
Caldari
Therapy.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:23:00 -
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Corp members are showing up as Blue instead of green....not a big problem but it just irks me.
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Sir Gankgrief
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:31:00 -
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Mac patch will not download... says file is corrupt
was this not TESTED on a Mac before released?
exact message=
""VERIFICATION FAILED"
The Update was downloaded but it failed verification indicating that the file is corrupt. Would you like to download the file again?"
which i said yes to 43 times getting the same error each time
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Teibor
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:32:00 -
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I honestly didnt think they could get any worse at these things but hey, i guess you learn something new everyday.
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En Passant
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:37:00 -
[44]
Look at it this way..
At least this patch didn't delete your boot.ini
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Sir Gankgrief
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:42:00 -
[45]
My feedback is...
"Epic Fail on both the Mac and PC cliennt patches.. neither work."
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: H3llHound
Edited by: H3llHound on 30/09/2010 19:50:14
When I right-click on a ablueprint and select Manufacture, the Manufacture window opens but I always get that 'error sound'. Dont know if thats intended.
Quoting http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1392254&page=1#17
== snip ==
Ship module activation/deactivation button sounds are broken.
There's still some minor click noise whenever you "enter the button area" with your mouse pointer... but "pressing the button" (clicking on it) is a silent action now, both for activation and deactivation of the respective module.
If you click the HUD scanner view button (between inventory and autopilot button), a "failure" sound is getting played when opening up the scanner window. The sound getting played is the one usually getting played whenever entering too long strings into text fields (e.g.: give money->enter "99999999999999"->press TAB).
I had this confimed by somebody using Windows client, so it's 1.1 and not Mac specific.
== snip ==
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Heinrich Osterhagen
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Heinrich Osterhagen on 30/09/2010 21:59:17
Originally by: Raven Alexandr
Edited by: Raven Alexandr on 30/09/2010 19:23:54
Way to break login. Gotta hand it to you CCP, you have managed to make EvE less and less desirable with every buggy bad idea you have implemented in Tyrannis. Currently 500 people have been able to log in in the last 10 minutes, so at this rate, with only the people waiting in que (600) it will take an hour to login. Funny, EvE has never needed a login que before, nor does any other MMO, so why start now? FAIL
So now the que is gone, but when you actually log in it crashes the connection and your back to the login screen....
Raven. Why you gotta hate so much?
Beyond the hate there is an issue with the guestbook. Not sure if this is just my client but I was unable to remove multiple bookmarks at once via multi-select and remove. I was forced to remove contacts one at a time. |
Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:10:00 -
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AWESOME! Excellent! You made dreams become reality!
I can quit my MAC Eve client without the application locking up! Well done!
P.S.: If "logout" would return you to the character selection screen rather than quitting and restarting the client I'm pretty sure people would fly over to Island to kiss you all! lol
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:15:00 -
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I was reading requests for compensation from extended delay with a little smile... now I feel this failure begs for compensation loudly...
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Sir Gankgrief
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:18:00 -
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+1 on compensation i have 2 account sitting useless
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Kathleen Mercury
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kathleen Mercury on 30/09/2010 22:40:09
Hi there everyone!
I readed the feedbacks by others and i admit theres a few problems with the windows it wont remember for the positions ie when u open a cargo container and place it somewhere it will remember for its position unless you open a new cargo container cuz the new one's window will be at around center "default position". what i noticed is... the ui seems faster. much faster. i dont have that strong comp and i wont list my config, eve runs smooth. But it definitely works faster at everywhere. However i only hauling and mining, but its awesome. even the docking/undocking procedure is much faster for me. I'm happy with the new patch. Looking forward for the fixes. Keep up the good work. I can understand how others ****ed off by those annoying bugs. But as a casual gamer i dont have any problems.
Fly safe&thanks ccp.
Edit.: I forgot to mention im using pc win 7 ultimate 32 bit version and i deleted all eve data, cache+everything else.
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Tuttomenui II
Gallente
Buddha Pigs
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:56:00 -
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I am currently salvaging a lvl4 drone mission, and when I open a wreck to collect the loot the wreck cargo window is the smallest a window can be. Usually if you resize it the next one will open to the resized size you made the previous. It does not do this anymore. Also when you open multiple wrecks it usually stacks them, but now it cascades them and opens separate windows instead of adding a tab to previous one.
I'll try and get a screen shot for you.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.09.30 23:00:00 -
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Thank you muchly for the PI interface improvments, the interface is much snapier now, surveying with extractors is much faster.
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.30 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tonto Auri on 30/09/2010 23:11:55
Originally by: Kathleen Mercury
what i noticed is... the ui seems faster. much faster.
Not really as much. But well, a bit.
However, the "disable window animation" option would improve it even more.
Minimizing animation kills whole UI for a second.
Originally by: Tuttomenui II
Also when you open multiple wrecks it usually stacks them, but now it cascades them and opens separate windows instead of adding a tab to previous one.
Aww that's a royal ****up :X
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Kathleen Mercury
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.30 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Kathleen Mercury on 30/09/2010 23:35:44
I know it's not an issue nor notification of bugs etc but... i just wonder... why did they released this? i meant i just had a look on Tyrannis 1.1 issues thread and it seems they rushed to install this on tyrannis. did some boss or gangstoorz with guns forced them to do it? i just wonder... 
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Arnold Predator
Special Situations
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Posted - 2010.10.01 00:13:00 -
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Sounds like I get to install a "patch" thats going to make the the UI an even bigger pain. I guess this is just the next stone on the path to unsubing.
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inza onoa
Cruentus Invicta
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Posted - 2010.10.01 00:13:00 -
[57]
An anti-what?
Does that mean you dont **********?
In all seriousness, this one and deployment has been worst updates ever. Eve is just getting more and more unplayable. Tons of stealth nerfs, bugs, broken features are added all the time, why dont you for once focus on fixxing ALL the old stuff before adding new and broken stuff.
And you know, test it before you release it on tq.
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cyclobs
Minmatar
Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.01 00:15:00 -
[58]
filed a bug report on this on the test server a few times now and posted in threads what not and i still have this issue.
window stacking = broken. everytime i log in all of my stacked chat windows appear unstacked and pinned on the top left hand corner. can try stacking them again but when i relog they are straght back to where there were.
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Aditia Holdem
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 00:28:00 -
[59]
In all honesty, you guys were so on the right track with getting the server performance on track again after the Dominion disaster.
This patch seems to be very very very buggy.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.01 00:41:00 -
[60]
Originally by: inza onoa
And you know, test it before you release it on tq.
Been there, testing that. Filed reports, reports were attached to defects, client released promptly with defects open.
Right now it looks like they've done it willingly... wonder what was the actual case for releasing this disaster...
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Alun Hughes
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.10.01 01:43:00 -
[61]
This isnt a patch...Its an awsome troll...Well done ccp
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Olzal Erne
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Posted - 2010.10.01 01:47:00 -
[62]
I guess CCP forgot the golden rule: if it ain't broken, don't fix it
Seriously though, I'd been really surprised if there wasn't any bugs after you rewrite some parts of the code. Although the bugs are annoying, hopefully they'll be fixed in a few days. I don't have much time to play this weekend anyway so they don't bother that much. If the bugs still exist next week, well that's another thing 
Hopefully this trouble with UI is worth it in the long run...
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Arnold Predator
Special Situations
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:00:00 -
[63]
ccp is know for not following golden rules... one example is all ready posted above. another example: those who have the gold, make the rules. Well we p2p and they still don't lesson to us.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:02:00 -
[64]
How's about you guys just roll the crap patch back, save a bit of face and put it back in the oven.
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Zeuth Proxy
Caldari
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:09:00 -
[65]
Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
How's about you guys just roll the crap patch back, save a bit of face and put it back in the oven.
^^ This
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:12:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
A feedback thread but without listing problems? That'd be a very small thread.
I will have to disagree respectfully. You can still give feedback such as:
"If I was not affected by this mess, I would be having the time of my life laughing at the people who are."
or
"If you intend to fix and improve the UI any further, wouldn't it be easier to simply delete it entirely?"
On a more serious note: I do feel bad for all the Devs spending their time working on this patch, just to have it turn out this way. But if you do not fix problems that already persisted on SiSi, and then still deploy the patch to Tranquility.. not sure what you expect to happen, really.
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Sigvald Gottschalk
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:27:00 -
[67]
Feedback:
This patch is an utter mess. You've broken so much UI functionality, I don't even know where to begin. The persistence of window sizes and stacking has always been patchy at best, now it's completely broken.
The new appending of spaces and zeros to values in dialogue boxes is baffling. Previously functioning sounds are now nonexistent, or incorrect.
I'm astounded that you would release such a clearly faulty patch. At what point did you determine that this was acceptable for release?
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Racketeers
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:28:00 -
[68]
UI is
-slower( 2 seconds for the fitting window to show up? RLY?)
-buggy (windows dont remember whats going on, clicking something on one stacked window makes it go to the background)
-lacks sounds (probly some lookup table for sound effects got shifted? as more than one sound is wrong)
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:40:00 -
[69]
*Module icons in the ship fitting screen are abnormally large.
*Stations appear in the overview that don't exist in the system
*Same stations appear doubled and highlighted yellow in the overview.
*Font in character choice page after login is somehow different?
*Pinned windows are jumping around some after docking in station.
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Sleepy Rocker
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:53:00 -
[70]
I just ran into a lot of UI issues while creating this character. Most of the issues were on the character creation screen. Also, the first pass at making this character I was not allowed to select any clothing at all, and the character was butt naked! But it crashed when I tried to finalize it.
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Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.10.01 03:59:00 -
[71]
Nobody noticed, that you can align to bookmark now?
I wonder if there more undocumented features
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Liandra Xi
Amarr
Ascendent.
On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.10.01 04:11:00 -
[72]
CCP for once I am impressed. I run 10 planets across 2 chars producing POS Fuels. Previously the time taken to restart all the extractors every day across all 10 planets was a good 20-30 minutes a day of just clicking, clicking, clicking, clicking, clicking, clicking..... you get the picture.
The survey cycle time of extractors is now taking about 1/3rd to 1/2 (at the most) time to cycle before you can select your extractor cycle, which already has cut in half the time it takes me to restart all the extractors across all 190 planets.
Still looking forward to the extractor control unit in Incursion, but well down for pushing this patch out in the meantime, the difference in the time taken is defintely appreciated and adds up a lot over the days.
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Kweear
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Posted - 2010.10.01 04:23:00 -
[73]
Sorry CCP but this patch is an epic fail. I have to agree with all the other people. One thing i have to add, the new german translation sounds like you translated it with google translater. Very bad job guys :(. Pls look for people who can speak german. I hope you fix all the problems soon.
Best regards
Kweear
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Ammitar
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Posted - 2010.10.01 04:38:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Liandra Xi
CCP for once I am impressed. I run 10 planets across 2 chars producing POS Fuels. Previously the time taken to restart all the extractors every day across all 10 planets was a good 20-30 minutes a day of just clicking, clicking, clicking, clicking, clicking, clicking..... you get the picture.
The survey cycle time of extractors is now taking about 1/3rd to 1/2 (at the most) time to cycle before you can select your extractor cycle, which already has cut in half the time it takes me to restart all the extractors across all 190 planets.
Still looking forward to the extractor control unit in Incursion, but well down for pushing this patch out in the meantime, the difference in the time taken is defintely appreciated and adds up a lot over the days.
I am running a few more planets than that, and am pleased that it takes less time to cycle, but I am curious as to why it reset all my planets(well, most of them) to the same time? I wouldn't really mind, except for I'm running quite a few planets, and with advanced CC's that's like... 15 extractors per planet. I had them cycled(for the most part) so about a third of them expired every day, some in the morning, most in at night. Now, with them all reset to one of two common times... well... that's gonna be quite a PITA to do and get the cycles back in place. I will admit to being not the most diligent in doing them, so sometimes I mess them up myself, but this was not one of those cases. Contrarily, I'd just got most of them resorted... and now their all uniform again :(.
I can haz cookie for Government interference in my facility production? :(
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Ephemeral Dreams
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Posted - 2010.10.01 05:39:00 -
[75]
How do you consistantly **** up stupid things with the simpliest of patches? In the first 40 minutes I was on-line I filed 8 bug reports. I'm up to 12 now and every one of them is an idiotic bug - many of them are bugs that you introduced years ago and seem to have reinvented.
Have you heard of quality assurance? Perhaps you remember somebody giving a presentation about "excellence". Or is all of that supposed to happen 18 months from now?
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Kalpel
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Posted - 2010.10.01 05:42:00 -
[76]
"Epic fail" are the only two words that come to mind for this patch , the only thing this patch has done is **** me the **** off, if that was the objective for this patch , well then it's been 100% effective
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Porucznik Borewicz
Gallente
Dragon's Flame Enterprises
Blade.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:00:00 -
[77]
So CCP decided to remove even more sounds from EVE. Great... I know that "In space nobody can hear You scream" and there is no sound but... it's a freaking game!!
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OSGOD
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:05:00 -
[78]
no active markers on rats or anyone in space cant find anything in setting to reactivate,another monkey patch by the ZOO call CCP ,not to mention the many other problems cuased by this lates monkey patch REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT MONTH NOT
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:10:00 -
[79]
Broken stuff and changed / undocumented items that do not quite make sense:
1) Fleet finder window always resizes to a default(?) size when re-opened. User changes to the window size are not retained.
2) Rat loot window does not remember user sizing or location.
3) Linked character names, items and system names are now underlined creating a less visually friendly text chat. Suggestion: remove that damn underlining.
4) ISK value column alignment and width change in the wallet (and market?).
Also and as others have reported, the 'align to bookmark' and improved PI performance elements are most welcome. Why not include those positive changes in the patch notes? The PI language in the patch notes doesn't even come close to describing the performance gain / time saved.
What other changes to the client and server were made that remain publicly undocumented by CCP?
I find it odd that CCP doesn't include marketable(even if only for good vibes in the community) and positive 'stuff' in their patch notes.
Oh, and as far as using the Test Server for a pre-release code review and bug creation resource, that server is a very poor medium for user acceptance testing. Not only is the back-end hardware not identical or an approximate of the live environment, but the code may contain stuff never intended to go onto the live server. Big waste of time testing against both a code base and an environment that is not representative of what is intended to be made public.
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J'Torr Kitano
Caldari
ZiiP Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:26:00 -
[80]
Not including the one being trained, I had 4 partially trained skills (yes, stupid me but prioritising etc) before downtime. Now all the progress on those bars has been re-set. Known issue? Any other takers?
 
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Dragonia Redtail
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:41:00 -
[81]
Well done on the upgrade of the planetairy stuff. Instaid of 2 minutes per planet i now only spend 0.5 minutes per planet on managing things. Its a LOT faster.
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Shinah Myst
Starrust
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:42:00 -
[82]
So the feedback, ya?
WORST. PATCH. EVER.
Seems like CCP is a bunch of totally incompetent PHP developers trying to make MMO using Python. CCP, your developers suck, your QA sucks, and your management sucks a lot. This is my feedback.
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Slaman Snikovski
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:44:00 -
[83]
Originally by: CCP Adida
EVE Online Tyrannis 1.1 has been deployed. WeÆd like to hear what you think about this patch. Please do not report issues in this thread, as this is for general feedback only.
If you have an issue please use this thread.
^This. Stop reporting issues here and give general feedback. I like the allign to waypoint implementation. Keep it up CCP.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:57:00 -
[84]
Here's my general feedback why not fix the bugs reported before making a patch or if a 'patch' is needed for 'stealth' things they won't ever tell us or admit to do those and don't jam more half baked 'defectively designed' updates on us.
If you can't do something right hold off, this is a 'patch' it isn't some stupid expansion CCP hyped up that 'has' to be delivered wait until it is 'right' then drop it on us instead of continuing the 'fix it later' BS that we get all the time.
PS: I love how so many 'bugs' are known to CCP yet they do nothing to fix them before pushing patches/expansions on us then ask us to submit more bug reports as if the ones they got weren't good enough. I might as well start writing letters about them then burning them in my yard, I think it would accomplish the same thing which is to make the writers feel 'better'.
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inza onoa
Cruentus Invicta
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Posted - 2010.10.01 07:05:00 -
[85]
Tyrannis 1.1 was a bit like 11/09 but on eve.
Was this patch release the work of terrorists?
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 07:16:00 -
[86]
Feedback.
How about
lol?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.10.01 07:22:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Zeuth Proxy
Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
How's about you guys just roll the crap patch back, save a bit of face and put it back in the oven.
^^ This
Agreed- you'd think a rollback would probably be a lot quicker than fixing all the bugs introduced in this patch.
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Herring
Caldari
Fork In Your Face LTD
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Posted - 2010.10.01 07:56:00 -
[88]
Feedback by herring:
Herring does not enjoy what has happened to the wallet tabs, they are all truncated. More at 11.
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Harpalyce Dynameos
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Posted - 2010.10.01 08:17:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Harpalyce Dynameos on 01/10/2010 08:20:34
It doesn't seem to be a very well thought out patch... though align to bookmark 
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.10.01 08:31:00 -
[90]
Hordes of major bugs and one semi-useful feature: aligning to bookmarks.
Remind me again how much I pay for this game...
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Brigitte
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.01 08:40:00 -
[91]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
After we deployed Tranquility, we discovered a client issue that required immediate attention. That's pretty much the jist of it.
So why didn't ccp put it on test server b4 balls'in up tq?
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.01 08:57:00 -
[92]
I like the reduced survey delay and the faster window animations for PI. The whole thing feels much snappier now, and I can do my 4 planets in around 5 minutes instead of closer to 10 minutes like it was previously. Thumbs up!
I also noticed that the first extractor you give new orders to on each planet receives a yellow status color in its pin. May I request that you add this to ALL extractors that receive new orders? It would save me the time I spend double-checking that all extractors are running after I press submit.
Signature? What signature? |
Max Thunderbird
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:23:00 -
[93]
I think I figured it out. Release piece of crap update... lose customers...experience financial difficulty...BAILOUT!
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Bruder Predaiter
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:44:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Bruder Predaiter on 01/10/2010 09:45:05
Hi all,
i must say, for me has this patch no effect, because i play with dual screen. but a lot of people have probs with playing with 1 monitor. ccp has make ****, you can make the chat windows and expect the overwiev so small as before. the sice is now limited. so the have a lot of problems to play with 2 o. 3 accounts on 1 monitor!¦!!!
Why does CCP this. that make no sense NEVER CHANGE A WINNING TEAM
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Cind Moltarr
Glowing Goat
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:49:00 -
[95]
It's nice to see that the text-field in the ½Add bookmark+ window finally can handle spaces perfectly. |
Bo Tosh
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:25:00 -
[96]
I expect problems with patches, its the nature of the beast and it happens. This on the other hand is a bit much though, could you please remind me why we are paying you or have you forgotten as well?
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:27:00 -
[97]
Is this where we are supposed to post feedback about the patch thing that happened yesterday?
Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum.
That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face. |
Rixiu
The Forgotten Navy
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:12:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Is this where we are supposed to post feedback about the patch thing that happened yesterday?
2 Threads are a bit confusing. What's "general feedback"?
Here's some feedback for you:
1. test stuff before you release them.
2. Why make unecissary changes that no one asked for on stuff that no one had an issue with. ie: Dragging around icons in order to stack guns or fit modules to ships is now a nightmare. The old way worked perfectly fine and no one had an issue with it. Try to fix the overload buttons instead next time you decide to "improve" the UI.
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Tnam
Muppet Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:21:00 -
[99]
My feedback is like this, for me the patch worked okay I didn't have any install issue and I could log on when I needed to this morning. However its shown some pretty big QA issues for quite a few people, you have to question the release process.
The frustration, for me and a lot of other players is that the content in the patch doesn't really address many issues that a lot of eve players care about, doesn't really advertise any changes or features of note, and clearly sucked up tonnes of development effort and QA time for something that still caused a massively extended downtime and was still somewhat broken on deliver.
I'm getting frustrated that the entire development focus seems to be away from anything that affects me, I'm playing the game for small to medium scale pvp. There's a lot of issues that seem very easy to address that never get looked at such as:
- random heat errors, burning out full racks of modules based on existing damage to 1 module in the rack (e.g. you can have a shield extender that is damaged, overload your warp scram for 1 cycle and all of your med slots burn out).
- Boosters frequently not activating unless consumed before initiating combat and really never activating when they affect a stat on an existing module that is active.
- God mode ECM drones which are neither doing proper sensor strength checks or realy working in any kind of a balanced way at the moment. There is no way that a flight of hornet ec-300 should jam a recon ship on first cycle or simply give the player of recalling and re-attacking if the first cycle fails essentially turning every ship that has a drone bay into a full fledged jamming shi
- tech 3 gang boosting sihps that can be neither probed, locked down in a bubble or targetted before cloaking essentially providing another god mode imbalance.
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Captain Han'Ki'Soto
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:35:00 -
[100]
The ridiculous queue to get into the game, really has to go away. figure out if you need more server room, or split the shards. You can't have a game, with thousands of players in a shard, if you can't keep up with the demands.
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:40:00 -
[101]
Cancelled my account for 30 days. Keep on releasing that unpolished new content! |
AshenShugar01
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:44:00 -
[102]
Yes WTF is up with the NEVERENDING queue to log in??? I've been trying to log in for like 5min now and still nothing. And you know what? Cant log in cant enjoy the game, cant enjoy the game wont pay to play it... Who's work of genius was this one?
How many Caldari does it take to take a plex?
Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots... apparently |
Joss56
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:44:00 -
[103]
Patch day no play ;)
Few minor bugs here few there, nothing terrible "zomg my life depends on it" or mabe just my toon's one.
Just wait, open the window take some fresh air and comme back
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:45:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Brigitte
Originally by: CCP Fallout
After we deployed Tranquility, we discovered a client issue that required immediate attention. That's pretty much the jist of it.
So why didn't ccp put it on test server b4 balls'in up tq?
Read before post? It was on test server for more than a month.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:50:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Lillith Starfire on 01/10/2010 11:51:56
Have a duplicate of the production live server. An actual exact copy or damn near as. Use that for testing out patches and updates just prior to release. I don't mean sisi/dev server. Do mass testing on this pre release server. Make sure all is working. Then migrate over to actual live server. Keep development and ideas on other server. It might cost to set up but it will surely help avoid or reduce these problems in future.
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HacxNN
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:59:00 -
[106]
Dear ccp can you start a new thread where players; that can be bothered, can post reports on parts of the game that still function? |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:01:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Lillith Starfire
Have a duplicate of the production live server.
It exists and is called Multiplicity.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:05:00 -
[108]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Just a friendly reminder that this thread is for feedback about the patch. If you are having any problems please post in the issues thread.
I think your company's over-inflated opinion of itself is inversely related to the quality of the code you put out.
Given that some of the bugs are really glaring (Corp mates green symbols not showing, drag and drop problems, module activation problems, numerous UI bugs, lag seems worse again), I honestly fail to see how you could have missed these before.
This patch is simply terrible. I think I'm gonna cancel my sub before the next major patch and wait until you've fixed the bugs before resubbing again, because I'm starting to see that the only thing that works with you, CCP, is massive player protests. It seems that petitions fall on deaf ears, bug reports go unheeded, but a good dollop of bad PR gets you off your backsides as if your lives depended upon it (which, of course, as a company it does).
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Manipulator General
o.0
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:12:00 -
[109]
I think the forum mods got RSI from locking threads, so they had the QA department take over that role. That left nobody to do QA.
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Tastykle
Gallente
Salus Novus
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:42:00 -
[110]
Align to bm? SWEEEEET!!!!!!!
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Raven Alexandr
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:54:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Raven Alexandr on 01/10/2010 12:58:32
Originally by: Max Thunderbird
I think I figured it out. Release piece of crap update... lose customers...experience financial difficulty...BAILOUT!
^^ This
Why work for your money, when you can get it for free? -CCP Dev- "Oh, this looks important. DELETED, oh and this too, DELETED." My feedback, fire the entire team, and hire someone who A. Knows what they are doing, and B. does quality assurance checks on THEIR OWN WORK. If I worked at CCP today, I would be ashamed.
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Alranis Coldriver
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:55:00 -
[112]
Good day capsuleers!
I'm a new player. I played world of wa.....t for years. My wife told me to try eve out. it seems cool &stuff but after reading these posts... im not sure if it worth the time to play this and for pay this. i think its better for me if i "step back". "dont leave the know way for unknown". it's seems perfectly true in this case. wish you luck and patience waiting for the bugs to be fixed, stuff to be improved. farewell!
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C4LYP50
Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:57:00 -
[113]
Well.............it's very difficult to remain upbeat and positive, after this terrible failure, AKA Tyrannis 1.1. I normally try to avoid whining and trolling.................but..........WTF were you THINKING? This patch breaks most of the few remaining aspects of the game that were, while archaic, at least playable. Positives: we can now align to bookmarks, and surveying a planet now takes half the time. That's it. Entirely. Negatives? The time I just saved surveying is now offset by more than more than double if any of the following occur: I jump through a stargate. Someone joins fleet. I log in or out. I try to buy something. I try to sell something. I try to loot something. I try to salvage something. I open anything. Also, "Eve has sound?" is no longer a question, it's an indictment.
You extended DT astronomically to deliver this............in Oz we lost the whole night. I'm paid up til January, so there will be no OMGWTFBBQIQUITSHOVEMYSTUFFYOUKNOWWHERE!, but....................I'm pretty disappointed in you, CCP. And I'm not alone. I imagine you're pretty disappointed in yourselves, so I'll try not to make it much worse. Pick yourselves up, admit it was a total bork, and lets get this crap fixed. Please.
Loyally,
C4
Brunette By Birth...........Blonde By Nature.
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Ankbar
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Posted - 2010.10.01 13:40:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Alexandra Delarge
Cancelled my account for 30 days. Keep on releasing that unpolished new content!
I also spoke with my wallet. 2(all) accounts canceled until I see how you handle this failure, CCP. There are free and descent MMOs out there, not to mention a host of other single-player games I could be spending my time & money on.
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Talusandra bin'Ethan
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:16:00 -
[115]
I have an honest question, and so will stick my toe in the water and hope the sharks don't eat my leg. I am a hobbyist programmer, which means that I write simple programs for my own use and am certainly not an expert in any language. The UI errors in the current patch have me baffled; how can this not have been tested and fixed prior to release? Surely there is some method by which the UI of a program can be properly tested without it being launched into a live environment.
Using one bug as an example, where the send money box of the wallet does not fully highlight the default entry of 0.10, I will illustrate my confusion.
I use Visual Basic (yes, I know only grandmothers use that ... want to see pics of my grandson?) and it takes two lines of code for me to fill a text box with 0.10 and then cause the entire text to be highlighted:
txtSendISK.text = "0.10"
txtSendISK.focus
I will assume that Python requires a more complex series of instructions to fill and focus a text box but ... since the apparent change to this particular code involved changing the default text from 0.1 to 0.10, how could a professional programmer miss changing the code to highlight the entire text box? The two instructions can't be more than four or five lines apart. And how could the mistake not be found upon testing?
I'm not slamming the programmers at CCP, but I really do wonder. This sort of elementary programming shouldn't be causing problems in a major software program. Is corporate development so different that someone can change an "A" to an "I" and bork an entire routine with no follow-up testing? Are programmers not allowed to test their code before sending it off to their team manager, who in turn does no testing before sending it up the line?
If this is the case (and considering the problems I've seen in other MMOs I've played I have to wonder) then the MMO genre as a whole isn't as advanced as some would like to believe. I have a long winded theory which I won't expound, but if someone who actually works as a professional programmer could enlighten me on why we see these horrible errors I would be most appreciative.
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:19:00 -
[116]
It seems that CCP have found a way to achieve a bug:feature ratio of 3:1. Good job guys!! Next you could touch code that doesn't need to be touched and expect great things to come of it. oh wait.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:26:00 -
[117]
How many issues are we dealing with, now?
- chat windows resetting their position every login
- other windows not retaining position/sizing information
- alliance members appearing dark blue instead of green
- decimal point shenanigans for Give Money/market prices
- various missing module/fitting sound effects
- random missing icons on the Overview
Those are just what I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more than that.
How could you not catch these items during testing? Does no one use chat or belong to an alliance on Singularity? Is "EVE has no sound" so prevalent that not a single tester noticed anything? Did any CCP employee(s) comb through the UI and do any testing to ensure there weren't a bunch of bugs still to be worked out?
Why did you go live with this? We get the wonderful Align to Bookmark and a ton of bugs to go along with it. It's like one step forward, ten steps back.
Honestly, I think the entire UI should be revamped from scratch at some point. Hopefully before 2020.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:32:00 -
[118]
Really there is no excuse for a patch being released in this state. It is like launching a website and the navigation menu doesn't work. With this kind of QA it is no wonder it takes forever for even small thing to get fixed; the source code must be like reading used toilet paper.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:41:00 -
[119]
One day you will run out of nubs to buy plex to sell for cash beause they dont relase how much isk can be made EASILY in 0.0 then they wouldnt buy plex anymore because they wouldnt need too but they would have to depend on the steady influx of NUBILES to EVE that dont have a clue about how much isk can be made in nullsec and they want to buy plex to sell for isk cause they think they are poor.
Cycle will continue to repeat itself until there are no nubiles coming into eve that need isk and buy plex.
GW2 baby! take your effin monthly sub for sub-par product.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:47:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Talusandra bin'Ethan
how can this not have been tested and fixed prior to release?
Either they used monkeys do the testing (read: it wasn't or they don't have testers anymore) or the QA is really this bad / incompetent / uninterested / don't care / no serious levels of testing. Delete as appropriate.
Poster above states they do actually have a duplicate environment to test pre-release. This makes it even more bad quality.
You know, maybe some people in CCP need to take a step back and ask themselves why they have a system which needs to go production live to find some quite big problems and bugs. Database problems recently for example. Don't you guys find this unprofessional at least?
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:50:00 -
[121]
Random Post-Patch Issues
* Random lag. Stutters.
* Resisized columns on overview, market, directional scanner.
* Moving items in station no longer produces a confirmational sound when the item is dropped. Lag here as well.
* Fitting tool -- items placed into the slot must now be exactly centered rather than them dropping where the cursor suggests. These too lack audio feedback. Lag here as well.
* Color coding on overview changed.
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Einear Lightfingers
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:18:00 -
[122]
Ganked leaving a station before the graphics even load for space. Now that's a new one. Left the station 3 slow slow slow scroll bars of graphics loading. pew pew pew. Ship in armor when graphics finally load and pop, dead. Go ahead say its the connection or the machine...
Down Speed: 14.04 MB/second
Up Speed: 5.38 MB/second
Hardare:
Dual Quad Core 960 @ 3.20Ghz overclocked to 3.84GHz
6GB RAM
2GB ATI Video Card (Running Latest Driver)
Windows 7 (64-bit)
No question the patch sucks. Did I mention seeing double entries in the Overview as well as planet, stations and jump gates 4 systems away... Woot! Fail!
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Bezzell
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:31:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Bezzell on 01/10/2010 15:32:19
Eve has never been the most responsive game ever, but somehow it seems even more sluggish. I think we're going in the wrong direction to fix lag. Maybe things need to be slimmed down, not bloated and slowly deformed.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:37:00 -
[124]
Me:
28.47 MB/sec download
6.46 MB/sec upload
20ms ping @100 miles
Additional note: Haven't had even a slight hiccup in service for the past three months. And my computer's powerful, let's put it that way.
CCP fix plz, thx.
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Angstzustand
Caldari
Pico Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:45:00 -
[125]
Subscription canceled, guess thats enough of feedback.
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Raven Alexandr
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:49:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Raven Alexandr on 01/10/2010 15:50:45
Originally by: Talusandra bin'Ethan
I have an honest question, and so will stick my toe in the water and hope the sharks don't eat my leg. I am a hobbyist programmer, which means that I write simple programs for my own use and am certainly not an expert in any language. The UI errors in the current patch have me baffled; how can this not have been tested and fixed prior to release? Surely there is some method by which the UI of a program can be properly tested without it being launched into a live environment.
Using one bug as an example, where the send money box of the wallet does not fully highlight the default entry of 0.10, I will illustrate my confusion.
I use Visual Basic (yes, I know only grandmothers use that ... want to see pics of my grandson?) and it takes two lines of code for me to fill a text box with 0.10 and then cause the entire text to be highlighted:
txtSendISK.text = "0.10"
txtSendISK.focus
I will assume that Python requires a more complex series of instructions to fill and focus a text box but ... since the apparent change to this particular code involved changing the default text from 0.1 to 0.10, how could a professional programmer miss changing the code to highlight the entire text box? The two instructions can't be more than four or five lines apart. And how could the mistake not be found upon testing?
I'm not slamming the programmers at CCP, but I really do wonder. This sort of elementary programming shouldn't be causing problems in a major software program. Is corporate development so different that someone can change an "A" to an "I" and bork an entire routine with no follow-up testing? Are programmers not allowed to test their code before sending it off to their team manager, who in turn does no testing before sending it up the line?
If this is the case (and considering the problems I've seen in other MMOs I've played I have to wonder) then the MMO genre as a whole isn't as advanced as some would like to believe. I have a long winded theory which I won't expound, but if someone who actually works as a professional programmer could enlighten me on why we see these horrible errors I would be most appreciative.
CCP Nathan: "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."
Enough said :(
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Alranis Coldriver
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:53:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Raven Alexandr
Edited by: Raven Alexandr on 01/10/2010 15:50:45
Originally by: Talusandra bin'Ethan
I have an honest question, and so will stick my toe in the water and hope the sharks don't eat my leg. I am a hobbyist programmer, which means that I write simple programs for my own use and am certainly not an expert in any language. The UI errors in the current patch have me baffled; how can this not have been tested and fixed prior to release? Surely there is some method by which the UI of a program can be properly tested without it being launched into a live environment.
Using one bug as an example, where the send money box of the wallet does not fully highlight the default entry of 0.10, I will illustrate my confusion.
I use Visual Basic (yes, I know only grandmothers use that ... want to see pics of my grandson?) and it takes two lines of code for me to fill a text box with 0.10 and then cause the entire text to be highlighted:
txtSendISK.text = "0.10"
txtSendISK.focus
I will assume that Python requires a more complex series of instructions to fill and focus a text box but ... since the apparent change to this particular code involved changing the default text from 0.1 to 0.10, how could a professional programmer miss changing the code to highlight the entire text box? The two instructions can't be more than four or five lines apart. And how could the mistake not be found upon testing?
I'm not slamming the programmers at CCP, but I really do wonder. This sort of elementary programming shouldn't be causing problems in a major software program. Is corporate development so different that someone can change an "A" to an "I" and bork an entire routine with no follow-up testing? Are programmers not allowed to test their code before sending it off to their team manager, who in turn does no testing before sending it up the line?
If this is the case (and considering the problems I've seen in other MMOs I've played I have to wonder) then the MMO genre as a whole isn't as advanced as some would like to believe. I have a long winded theory which I won't expound, but if someone who actually works as a professional programmer could enlighten me on why we see these horrible errors I would be most appreciative.
CCP Nathan: "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."
Enough said :(
 
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Wendelgard
Gallente
Herrscher der Zeit
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.01 16:44:00 -
[128]
It is on one hand great to see that localization has got an overhaul. On the other hand, I am costumed to the official (English) name of the skill groups, especially in the training queue and the Skill tab in the char overview. In the training queue I want to have international names of the skill groups, as many oog tools (EVEmon) are kept in English.
Is there any smart way to let the player decide where in the game which language is used?
Thanks in advance
/wendelgard
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Ralitsa
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Posted - 2010.10.01 16:46:00 -
[129]
The ingame windows, they keep opening in the wrong locations whereas before they would open in the place where I moved them to. It's really annoying having to organize windows everytime I open one.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:05:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Ralitsa
The ingame windows, they keep opening in the wrong locations whereas before they would open in the place where I moved them to. It's really annoying having to organize windows everytime I open one.
Issues thread that way > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1392231&page=19
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:11:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Einear Lightfingers
Ganked leaving a station before the graphics even load for space. Now that's a new one. Left the station 3 slow slow slow scroll bars of graphics loading. pew pew pew.
Even though I didn't get ganked I can confirm wondering about what felt like "extreme" time required for undocking... it took about 30 seconds to get a space view after initiating "leave station" command.
I tried to reproduce it but it felt like only happening the first time I left that station -- be it due to having to download textures / cache filling or whatever. I'm using a SSD locally so disk i/o shouldn't have caused that much of a delay.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:20:00 -
[132]
Lost my Vaga to rats in a FW plex in lowsec due to performance; warped in and was greeted with a minute-long slideshow. Performance was so horrific that by the time I could select a celestial and warp out I was in my pod.
Two days ago this was not an issue.
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The Hero of Kamela
The Terror of Tararan
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:22:00 -
[133]
And here we go, something positive at least:
Excellent job of having crunched down some serious Mac issues:
a) the client runs smooth as never before.
c) it is possible to work while having the game in background mode.
b) some crashes are gone.
Two thumbs down for introducing new obvious bugs.
I would really be interested in reading a dev blog on how the obvious errors present managed to get past QA.
Any chance your internal documentation of changes is sloppy and QA doesn't know what to test?
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Angus McSpork
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:22:00 -
[134]
Originally by: cyclobs
filed a bug report on this on the test server a few times now and posted in threads what not and i still have this issue.
window stacking = broken. everytime i log in all of my stacked chat windows appear unstacked and pinned on the top left hand corner. can try stacking them again but when i relog they are straght back to where there were.
Best part of this particular bug is that it only affects *2* of my 8 characters and it also will randomly do it when jumping through gates--VERY fun in 0.0 when you jump into an enemy gatecamp and your screen is suddenly covered in 8-10+ unstacked chat windows (corp, alliance, fleet, intel channel(s) and private channel(s)))
I usually try not to hate on CCP so much, but from the patch notes I can't even fathom what part of the code you could have touched to make SO many problems..
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:41:00 -
[135]
I noticed this just now. It had somehow eluded me:
*The align to bookmark command was added so you can so align towards bookmarks in space.
::happy panda::
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Delta Kiri
Delta Innovative Tech and Cat House
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:47:00 -
[136]
Lost 75% of the exploration sites in the wormhole system my corp recently, this past month,moved into. Have to pull the POS and go looking for a new system. Thanks CCP for undoing all the work my corp put into getting into the wormhole aspect of the game. Looks like its back to mission running in empire, at least if you didn't break that with this patch.
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Torineal
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:45:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Torineal on 01/10/2010 19:45:43
Considering how much this last patch broke, you'd think there would be news on the main page about it or this "optional patch" coming
How many new players does eve get everyday? Probably over 100. How many do you think are going to keep playing when their only experience in EVE is a broken interface that won't save window positions or size.
Pathetic.
Maybe you shouldn't be developing 2 other games if you can't even provide a decent patch to the one that's made your company what it is today, and is your only source of income since it's your only released game. You loose your eve players you loose everything.
If you can't handle a small patch for EVE, then it's time to scratch DUST and WOD.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:49:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Patchnotes
The diplomat corp role has been added which allows the corp member with the role to manage the corporation standings on behalf of the corp. This means the person with the assigned role can add new standings from their corp to some other entity or adjust existing standings.
I don't know if you realize it, but with this late addition to the patch notes, you made a ton of people really, really happy.
Thank you!
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2010.10.01 20:07:00 -
[139]
Originally by: J'Torr Kitano
Not including the one being trained, I had 4 partially trained skills (yes, stupid me but prioritising etc) before downtime. Now all the progress on those bars has been re-set. Known issue? Any other takers?
Confirmed. My partially trained skills got wiped as well. This is getting better and better...
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.10.01 20:37:00 -
[140]
Edited by: SkinSin on 01/10/2010 20:39:33
Originally by: J'Torr Kitano
Not including the one being trained, I had 4 partially trained skills (yes, stupid me but prioritising etc) before downtime. Now all the progress on those bars has been re-set. Known issue? Any other takers?
Load the skill into the skill queue to check. I have a number of partially trained skills that show no progress bar, but if I load them in to train them, close and open the skill planner, the progress bar appears.
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Lewwad
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Posted - 2010.10.01 22:26:00 -
[141]
That was not a patch, that was a series of bugs!!
Dude, if you are working would better if you are sober, or that will be happens...
I hope the "real patch" is coming soon...
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.01 22:37:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Delta Kiri
Lost 75% of the exploration sites in the wormhole system my corp recently, this past month,moved into. Have to pull the POS and go looking for a new system. Thanks CCP for undoing all the work my corp put into getting into the wormhole aspect of the game. Looks like its back to mission running in empire, at least if you didn't break that with this patch.
You didn't knew that wormholes deplete with time? :D
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.01 23:33:00 -
[143]
Attn: CCP CEO Hilmar Veigar Petursson
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Delta Kiri
Delta Innovative Tech and Cat House
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Posted - 2010.10.01 23:40:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Delta Kiri
Lost 75% of the exploration sites in the wormhole system my corp recently, this past month,moved into. Have to pull the POS and go looking for a new system. Thanks CCP for undoing all the work my corp put into getting into the wormhole aspect of the game. Looks like its back to mission running in empire, at least if you didn't break that with this patch.
You didn't knew that wormholes deplete with time? :D
Yes, we did. All of the cosmic signatures, except the static WH,are gone. This includes the sites that just spawned in the past week, one being a site that just spawned two days before the patch. We have seen old sites go and new ones appear over the past three weeks. To go from 12 signature sites to zero in one DT is a bit much.
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Qubits
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:23:00 -
[145]
Many sounds don't play anymore. Like when dragging a ship to a hangar in order to switch to it, or enabling armor hardeners.
"Floating Cargo" windows don't auto-stack anymore. Each and every one is treated as its own individual window. That is extremely annoying when you're trying to grab dropped cargo from a mission. Each one opens in a window that shows only 1x2 number of items dropped.
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Lolmer
Amarr
HyDrive Subsidiaries
Joint Control Air Support
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:27:00 -
[146]
Haven't read the entire thread (I know, bad me), but I am seeing stations listed doubly in my Overview quite often (though not every time I undock/warp). A corpmate also mentioned his Fleet boss character showed up twice, both with a star, when I joined his fleet. One was supposed to be me with no boss star, not a clone of him.
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Lolmer
Amarr
HyDrive Subsidiaries
Joint Control Air Support
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:42:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
And here we go, something positive at least:
Excellent job of having crunched down some serious Mac issues:
a) the client runs smooth as never before.
c) it is possible to work while having the game in background mode.
b) some crashes are gone.
Agreed, my Mac client now runs *much* better. I'm hoping this also fixes some of my Linux issues via WINE, but haven't tested. PI is *much* smoother now, at least on my Mac.
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zoltar pdp
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:46:00 -
[148]
What we think about this patch? Have you even TRIED it before releasing? Jesus christ mate just logged off tired of having to move windows arround everytime I dock.
START FIRING PEOPLE AND HIRE DECENT PROFESSIONALS.
That's what i think.
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Rath Blazit
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Posted - 2010.10.02 07:12:00 -
[149]
I noticed my extractors were getting more yield per cycle after the patch.
That was nice.
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2010.10.02 07:40:00 -
[150]
Big improvemnet on my ATI graphics iMac. Flashy polygons near stations etc all gone! thanks!
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inza onoa
Cruentus Invicta
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Posted - 2010.10.02 08:34:00 -
[151]
Edited by: inza onoa on 02/10/2010 08:40:40
CCP devs or CEO, are you sniffing Coke during worktime (and after worktime) alot?
Rollback of tyrannis 1.1 seems to be the ONLY logical option. ROLLBACK the darn thing, and in future try to be more carefull, as in test updates more carefully, before you go live with a new patch.
The only thing you do now is:
- you waste your time, but also the time of your consumers aka the players.
- you hurt your name by messing up so much with all those unwanted patches, downtimes, introducing of so many new bugs before you fixed the old ones.
As im CEO of my company, its just a joke how you deal with things at CCP. Its a big shame that you run things like a 8 year old would do it.
Current strategy:
Release patch-> ooh it contains bugs -> try to fix those bugs -> go live with the new patch -> oh no, more bugs and the original bugs are not fixed yet -> more downtimes -> many unhappy customers.
Working strategy:
List all current bugs -> analyze them -> fix them -> apply the resulting patches in a test environment -> test EXTINSEVELY
Tests work ok and no new bugs introduced? -> go live with the patch on tranquility, otherwise, keep fixing!
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Srialia
Misfit Toys
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Posted - 2010.10.02 09:10:00 -
[152]
Here's my feedback.
You don't do enough testing. This is the absolute number one thing wrong with your entire company and its development style. I don't know the amount of hours you put into just testing your game, but I don't need that piece of information to come to this conclusion. However much testing you're doing, you aren't doing nearly enough. Devoting sufficient resources to testing would prevent most of your current problems from ever happening. Your interim patches like this 1.1 could fix more problems than they cause. Your major content releases could be actual, fully-realized expansions to the EVE universe and let players have even more fun with the game, actually adding value to it. We wouldn't have this warehouse full of half-finished projects, gameplay dead-ends and broken promises. It wouldn't be something you'd need to fix; the issues would simply not exist (the 0.0 lag is a different story).
I know your code base is huge and probably very bloated after all these years, and that changing the smallest of features can be a huge undertaking. This is now a big game, and you don't get to just shrug your shoulders and pretend to be cute little indie developers anymore. If you want the game to continue to prosper you may need to actually devote sufficient resources to keeping it playable. As it is, I have no confidence that you are capable of actually improving the game in your current state. I fully expect the optional patch to introduce at least one additional crippling bug, keeping you at a net loss of performance and playability for this patch.
I find the idea that not only are you working on two new games, but that one of them is supposed to be a console game that interfaces with a PC MMO, utterly absurd. If you don't make massive, and I mean massive changes to your development and testing processes, your new ventures are going to fail spectacularly. I hope you realize that soon, because I don't want this game to be collateral damage.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.02 10:06:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Whitehound on 02/10/2010 10:09:43
Hello,
I would not call it an issue as it can also be seen as a new feature. Windows now apparently raise themselves more often into the front whenever there is a change occuring in them. This also happens when windows are being stacked together, which then kind of reshuffles the stack.
For example, completing a mission causes several windows to raise themselves into the front: the Assets-window for when a mission item was taken out of the hangar, the Journal for completing the mission and for getting LPs, and the People&Places window for the change in mission bookmarks. They all raise themselves into the front, while only one can be on top, making it a bit of a mess (in this case).
It would be helpful if one could have an option in the settings to turn of this automatic behaviour off so that one can decide for oneself in which order windows appear on the screen and without getting them reordered.
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Reddx Panther
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Posted - 2010.10.02 11:55:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Reddx Panther on 02/10/2010 11:57:15
Edited by: Reddx Panther on 02/10/2010 11:56:28
Well I daresay you guys need to be more thorough about release quality. It took me less than 15 mins to find out about the following issues and I am not a professional tester that has access to dev details about what has been done.
- Overview shows a lot duplicates and phantom items since patch
- Open windows grab focus and maximize at odd times (e.g. char sheet pops up and maximizes when i turn on sensor booster, wtf??)
- Fleet chat is broken as text/member list is gone after minimizing/maximizing and needs scrolling in both chat and member list to recover
- Change on drag and drop anchor on icons is a very unwished for feature and makes handling stuff even more fiddly
I'd love to see this fixed in todays patch, but from what i can see the overview code must be a true hackers nightmare and very resistant to improvements.
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Skeito
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Posted - 2010.10.02 12:04:00 -
[155]
As im one who is going to wait for the mass hordes to implement this patched patch before trying it myself, can we have an official thread in the info portal with what it mends/screws up from a users perspective pls. Would make it a darn sight easier than trudging thru this lot.
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disasteur
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Posted - 2010.10.02 12:16:00 -
[156]
all's well i just want to see my items hangar fixed every F***ing i click an item it gets all over my screenonly thing that helps is reboot or undock now that's a#^%^% fest
i already understand why i quit for the last year and feeling sorry i paid again
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Skeito
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Posted - 2010.10.02 12:18:00 -
[157]
Originally by: disasteur
all's well i just want to see my items hangar fixed every F***ing i click an item it gets all over my screenonly thing that helps is reboot or undock now that's a#^%^% fest
i already understand why i quit for the last year and feeling sorry i paid again
is this after todays patch? or the original?
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disasteur
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Posted - 2010.10.02 12:22:00 -
[158]
original and today's patch its no difference
i have my items and ships in station overview but only items seems to be affected
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Tong Lein
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Posted - 2010.10.02 12:23:00 -
[159]
Let's all go Black Prophecy!!! Let our wallet do the talking!! Want to be paid?
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.10.02 12:25:00 -
[160]
Originally by: disasteur
original and today's patch its no difference
i have my items and ships in station overview but only items seems to be affected
try applying for a job with them as CCP in front of your name would be rather fitting atm.
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Ubeecool
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Posted - 2010.10.02 12:33:00 -
[161]
I started EVE a year ago with Apokrypha. Since then, the stability and usability of the frontend/UI of EVE has constantly deteriorated.
This patch is just a highlight of a series of failures with regard to the improvement of the UI. It started with Dominion where e.g. the Drone-Window does reset each time the drones are deployed the first time when undocked and in space. This "feature" prevents that the status of the expansion bar for the drones is not remembered. This is only a example with a minor effect. But it shows the direction in which the game was developed.
Instead of making the gameplay more fluent and convenient you have proven with this patch that the opposite is the case.
Perhaps you should consider that the user sees only the UI and nothing else. It seems to me that you forgot the importance of the UI.
There are plenty of improvements possible. E.g. the warning window when an item is disassembled serves absolutely no purpose to me (when rigs are affected a second warning window appears). Why is there not a setting where this warning can be disabled? Same applies to the new introduced warnings when a market order is put in which is above or below a certain average price. As this setting might be valuable to new users, the more experienced are annoyed by the fact, that EVERYTIME a market order is changed (and even by 0.01) this warning pops up. Do you think your users are keen on klicking away useless warnings??? Why isn't there an option to disable this warning?
A field for improvement would also be some of the waiting periods in EVE. Why is it that one has to wait for 30 seconds when changing a ship in the hangar?? This period could in my view easily reduced to a more appropriate value.
Next improvement would be to make it possible to view fittings of all ships in the hangar, not only the ships which is active. VIEW! ONLY VIEW!
There are plenty of further improvements which could be done to the UI. In my view the improvement of the UI is much more important than the introduction of new features like planetary interaction (which is also a field of massive bugs).
You may understand my disappointment on the development of EVE in general (of which this patch is of course a new level of failure).
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Hun Jakuza
Roving Guns Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.02 13:29:00 -
[162]
Today's patch bug.
Show info panel always centered and rescaled every time when opened.
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DeDorosa
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Posted - 2010.10.02 13:59:00 -
[163]
Do any of you people at CCP actually test anything? Or do you just say "this will be neat" and throw it on TQ? This new optional patch fixed the unstacking windows. What about the other dozen bugs that you created with the 1.1? |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.02 14:38:00 -
[164]
Originally by: DeDorosa
This new optional patch fixed the unstacking windows.
It did? Didn't noticed.
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Joss56
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Posted - 2010.10.02 15:02:00 -
[165]
After install the Optional patch:
Looting windows continue to reset even after pinned.
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Fearghas Bedwyr
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Posted - 2010.10.02 16:47:00 -
[166]
Well, CCP, you won.
I decide to not renew my account.
Your stupid patch kill the game, even with the optional one, everything is crapy.
Before deploying it, test it and not on live!!!!
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.02 18:16:00 -
[167]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
We have an EVE Online Tyrannis 1.1 Issues Thread in the EIP. Yes, there have been some bugs and players are reporting these through the bug reporting system. We would encourage all players who experience bugs to submit a detailed bug report and we will investigate.
How come those bugs weren't investigated when they were reported on the test server?
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Danghor
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.02 18:46:00 -
[168]
I noticed there's a new filter in the LP store, if it was already there, my bad. Here's my feedback anyway on that ridiculous feature.
Buying stuff in big quantities in the LP store is grueling, you click accept, the window refresh and you lose focus on the item you want to buy again. With the filter you can manage to display only the item you want to buy so you don't have to scroll each time anymore. That's the only thing that this overcomplicated filter achieves; getting rid of the scrolling. The dumb thing about it is that you still have to click 50 times on accept if you want 50 batch of ammo.
Why the hell can't you make the LP Store like a real store ? You add a quantities column, you add 2 more columns: LP Total and ISK Total for each row. Big total at the bottom and checkout button. 1 simple click to buy everything you need ! Numbers display as red if you can't proceed, displays as green if everything is fine, you need only 2 simple filters: affordable only and show all. You don't need more filters because we will scroll down the list only 1 time to add quantities...
Your improvement is ridiculous.
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Marsen Wade
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Posted - 2010.10.02 20:03:00 -
[169]
I directly traded with someone and i lost a zero on their transaction so now i am out of a trade by 24mil what can i do to fix this
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.10.02 20:32:00 -
[170]
Welp, thanks for returning the green corp icons.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:34:00 -
[171]
Thursday patch broke a lot of things for me, from sounds to chats, from windows stacking / resetting to overview symbols. From loot windows always appearing at the center of the screen to "show info" windows also appearing everywhere but where I move them. From missing UI modules sounds to market edit boxes.
Today's patch fixed the following:
I was pushing to implement SCRUM in my company.
Not going to happen any more if this is the result.
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When looking for investors, please read
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JohnSco
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:53:00 -
[172]
Still can't resize my windows.
Upon initial login, windows still wander - meaning they weren't where I previously set them. Corp window and cargo hold windows.
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Jane Griffin
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:08:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Jane Griffin on 02/10/2010 23:14:48
I posted in the trolling thread, thought i would do the same here.
Fixed
* Corpies now correct colours
* Fleet window now behaves in regard to its size
Still unfixed
* Window pinning prevents window stacking from working.
* Skill queue window goes to back of stack when apply is pressed.
* Certain stacks will randomly switch between tabs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHwn2NfzUko
* Windows still fail to open in correct place pinned or otherwise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBwaVFev72k
* Windows still sometimes disappear for no obvious reason, only to reappear for no obvious reason.
* Module activation sounds
* New glitch where mouse gets stuck to top of screen when trying to select tabs at top of screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y5LtNtHr4
Im sure there are others not relating to UI, but if you could fix those or give us an idea when they will be fixed, i would be very relieved.
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TwitchyB
Jian Products Engineering Group
Blade.
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:17:00 -
[174]
now the repatch is done. seems fine to me.... not that i'm much of a coniseur really
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Manipulator General
o.0
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:08:00 -
[175]
/me laughs
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Mulgir
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Posted - 2010.10.03 06:41:00 -
[176]
I was really hoping this patch was going to introduce the duel monitor support that I heard was coming. My 23" wide screens are waiting to share some game time instead of having to take turns.
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umah
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Posted - 2010.10.03 07:24:00 -
[177]
Umah's bug list:
1) Can't drag bookmarks from cargo hold to People & Places folders while in space.
2) Modify orders: Extra space at end of "New sell price" number string.
3) Window focus jumps to People and Places window while scrolling in separate (and stacked) People and Places folder window.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.03 19:28:00 -
[178]
Originally by: umah
Umah's bug list:
Issues thread that way ->> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1392231&page=25
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Sybil Harman
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Posted - 2010.10.03 20:53:00 -
[179]
I've mentioned some bugs in the issues thread. Now for some feedback.
Why do you bother with a QA team?
Most of the bugs being reported are so obvious that you just have to open the client to see them. We aren't talking subtle obscure bugs here. Windows move around randomly and won't stay where you put them, window focus has a mind of its own, drag and drop is just awful, almost any involvement with entering money amounts is broken.
All of these faults have been noticed within 5 minutes of login in by the players... they really *are* that obvious! Yet your QA team apparently thought this build was good to go!!!
tl;dr: Sack QA dept, Test before release.
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RavenNyx
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Posted - 2010.10.03 22:02:00 -
[180]
What I think? Please rollback any and all changes - this is by far the most errors in the least amount of code, you guys ever introduced. Please fit all your PR-ships with DCUs and let us know what went wrong.
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Kalain ap'Sulen
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.10.04 02:41:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Sybil Harman
Sack QA dept
This seriously. With this level of utter bull**** they are either deliberately trying to **** over your company or they have the intelligence of a bowl of mushroom soup. Either way they are useless.
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Estimated Prophet
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Posted - 2010.10.04 02:52:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Jane Griffin
Still unfixed
* Window pinning prevents window stacking from working.
It's actually window locking that does this. If you turn off "Lock Windows When Pinned" in the General Options tab then they'll stay stacked. Of course that means your windows are no longer locked and can be accidentally moved/resized/etc.
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir. Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.04 04:28:00 -
[183]
Edited by: JC Anderson on 04/10/2010 04:29:18
I discovered something new in relation to the LP store bug since the last patch. I thought the vid might actually help CCP in figuring the problem out. The link is at the bottom of this post after my description of what I discovered.
In the video note that for the Navy Caracal it says the required items are 1 x Heavy Missile launcher I
And the Navy Raven's required items are listed as 1 x 200mm Railgun I.
I bring up the market window, while keeping the LP store window open and purchase "ANYTHING". It doesn't matter what item you buy as it doesn't change the end result.
As soon as you buy "ANYTHING" you can see that the required items section in the LP store suddenly corrects itself.
Note that the problem returns once you close the LP store window and open it again.
Here is the link to my video
http://www.mediafire.com/file/h8a01do55d0wrij/LPBUG.avi
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.04 04:58:00 -
[184]
Originally by: JC Anderson
I discovered something new in relation to the LP store bug since the last patch.
Issues thread >> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1392231&page=25
https://bugs.eveonline.com/newbugreport.asp << Bug reporting form
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir. Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.04 05:10:00 -
[185]
Edited by: JC Anderson on 04/10/2010 05:11:04
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: JC Anderson
I discovered something new in relation to the LP store bug since the last patch.
Issues thread >> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1392231&page=25
https://bugs.eveonline.com/newbugreport.asp << Bug reporting form
Thank you.
Posting in those.
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Angus McSpork
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.04 05:20:00 -
[186]
You want feedback? You should fire your QA staff and at least demote whoever signed off that 1.1 and the optional patch were ready to go live.
In my ~9 years of playing MMOs I am hard pressed to remember such a small* patch fscking so many things up.
*Seriously, the original patch introduced a new corp role, fixed Russian localization, fixed some PI backend memory usage, fixed the POS ammo counter and some Mac only issues
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Knalldari Testpilot
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Posted - 2010.10.04 06:17:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Angus McSpork
You want feedback? You should fire your QA staff and at least demote whoever signed off that 1.1 and the optional patch were ready to go live.
This!
Someone should now take the responsibility for all.
And btw: Also fire the marketing staff! The company needs more useful employees, as coders for example.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.10.04 09:01:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Angus McSpork
You want feedback? You should fire your QA staff and at least demote whoever signed off that 1.1 and the optional patch were ready to go live.
In my ~9 years of playing MMOs I am hard pressed to remember such a small* patch fscking so many things up.
*Seriously, the original patch introduced a new corp role, fixed Russian localization, fixed some PI backend memory usage, fixed the POS ammo counter and some Mac only issues
Yes, it's quite worrysome.
The only times we had such issues with patches in my company was when some disgruntled employees were deliberately sabotaging our products.
So, CCP are delivering self sabotage grade patches, I can't understand why.
They were not even "forced" to release these patches with a deadline, they could have kept it on hold till it was actually ready. As of now, instead, it takes 2-3 minutes of playing the game to discover so many bugs that it's IMPOSSIBLE that QA ever checked it. Heck, it's impossible that even who wrote this code would not notice the bugs, they are just eye popping the moment you enter in game.
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Pantherr
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Posted - 2010.10.04 12:26:00 -
[189]
Is there any way I can roll back the optional patch? Duplicates from the 1.1 patch were annoying but refreshing took care of that.
The optional patch introduced some crazy stuff with stacked chat windows. I went to resize local and the chat windows took over half my screen. The only way to get them back to rights was undocking all of the stacks and redocking them. Trouble is everything was grayed out and darn near impossible to see the tabs.
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Raven Alexandr
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Posted - 2010.10.04 13:10:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Raven Alexandr on 04/10/2010 13:10:58
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Angus McSpork
You want feedback? You should fire your QA staff and at least demote whoever signed off that 1.1 and the optional patch were ready to go live.
In my ~9 years of playing MMOs I am hard pressed to remember such a small* patch fscking so many things up.
*Seriously, the original patch introduced a new corp role, fixed Russian localization, fixed some PI backend memory usage, fixed the POS ammo counter and some Mac only issues
Yes, it's quite worrysome.
The only times we had such issues with patches in my company was when some disgruntled employees were deliberately sabotaging our products.
So, CCP are delivering self sabotage grade patches, I can't understand why.
They were not even "forced" to release these patches with a deadline, they could have kept it on hold till it was actually ready. As of now, instead, it takes 2-3 minutes of playing the game to discover so many bugs that it's IMPOSSIBLE that QA ever checked it. Heck, it's impossible that even who wrote this code would not notice the bugs, they are just eye popping the moment you enter in game.
^This
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Romonolus
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Posted - 2010.10.04 13:14:00 -
[191]
Ehm, any chance we could get a guesstimate date of when the bugs introduced with the last "patches" are going to get fixed? It would be really nice to get actually some information other than "Yep, it's broken" - I noticed that myself...
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Jane Griffin
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Posted - 2010.10.04 15:15:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Romonolus
Ehm, any chance we could get a guesstimate date of when the bugs introduced with the last "patches" are going to get fixed? It would be really nice to get actually some information other than "Yep, it's broken" - I noticed that myself...
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Heir Bier
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Posted - 2010.10.04 18:09:00 -
[193]
Feedback?
It's negative.
Find some way to roll out the patch back to the previous code. Is there something wrong with the latest patch? So wrong it isn't worth saving, just junk it and start again?
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Sybil Harman
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Posted - 2010.10.04 18:58:00 -
[194]
So... 4 days after the patch o' death turned a largely working UI into a steaming pile of poo, the silence from CCP is deafening.
Hellooooo.... CCP.... are you planning to rollback, or otherwise fix this disaster? Any timeline?
Or maybe the plan is to stick with it, ignore the complaints, and hope we'll all grow to love the broken UI and all its interesting little quirks and work-arounds?
Damn... I wish I worked for CCP. My bosses would've sacked me by now had I put this patch out to paying customers. Can I have a job? I'll sign off on anything you like because there are clearly no consequences if I were to get it wrong!
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Megairo
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Posted - 2010.10.04 19:29:00 -
[195]
A rollback is needed is what I think about 1.1.
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Yvone Byrars
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Posted - 2010.10.04 19:54:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Megairo
A rollback is needed is what I think about 1.1.
I'll pitch in for that too.
Modules not lighting, guns not going off. Double click approach not working, control click only taking the FIRST click and after that you have to go do something else. So if you get hit with ECM you have cannot control click more than once, which means kiss your ship goodbye.
The entire interface has totally failed. Roll it back and try again!
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.10.04 20:40:00 -
[197]
This patch pair has fixed most of the annoying problems for without introducing any big new ones, at for me. I no longer get crashes on gate jumps, and when I quit the game it no longer hangs the computer. Its wonderful to have EVE working again.
Windows: I never pin windows, so I do not get that issue. The only new issue is wreck windows always open screen center, not at the location I moved the last wreck window to.
My modules light, my guns fire, double click navigation works, control clicking multiple targets works.
I Like this patch, and surely do not want a rollback. But for those who pin windows, CCP please fix that bug.
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LoRDa RaMOs
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.04 20:45:00 -
[198]
Feedback: Worst 1.1 ever.!
VEry dissapointed 
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2010.10.04 21:11:00 -
[199]
Thank you for adding Align To Bookmark. That was pretty freaking useful.
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Jane Griffin
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Posted - 2010.10.05 12:15:00 -
[200]
Mew patch has made the UI feel robust again. Thanks!
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Romonolus
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Posted - 2010.10.05 12:19:00 -
[201]
Yeah, many (most?all?) of the UI issues are solved (say, back to what they were like before the patch, plus BM-aligning...), but the assets list has been broken since the initial patch and hasn't been addressed.
That leaves me somehow ... unsatisfied?
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argolighthand
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Posted - 2010.10.05 13:16:00 -
[202]
oct 5th
As im very critical of things when they go wrong in this game im also willing to praise ccp when they go right.
Pi when starting pi the extractors correctly are marked in yellow to id the ones you have started and the ones you still have to start remain neutral till started.
The issue of exporting processed goods from the launch pad no longer gives you an error message saying you have nothing to export.It now correctly exports the processed goods to the launch pad.
As in all things a lil better communications would have gone a long way, in the first two failed patching attempts.
BR Argolighthand
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Joss56
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Posted - 2010.10.05 15:19:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Joss56 on 05/10/2010 15:25:12
Looting windows or containers when you're dock now apear correctly where you have pinned them. Thx fix.
Sounds seam to work properly too but i must admit that i haven't test them all.
Overview now shows single icons and as i have configured them, samme to all brakets and colors, now are good ones. Thx fix
Mabe it's my config or corrupted folder, but when i mine with somme folks if i use alt+tab and then return to the window game, everything lags until i get kiked/lost connexion from the server.
Nothing realy "over" important but it would be cool to see it fixed if somme how it's a bug.
Nice improvement for planetary installs, faster an clear. Thx
Thx (sorry for my english)
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.05 23:42:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Bhattran
Originally by: CCP Navigator
We have an EVE Online Tyrannis 1.1 Issues Thread in the EIP. Yes, there have been some bugs and players are reporting these through the bug reporting system. We would encourage all players who experience bugs to submit a detailed bug report and we will investigate.
How come those bugs weren't investigated when they were reported on the test server?
/me looks at question that hasn't been answered yet while 2 'optional' patches have been released...
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.07 18:25:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Bhattran on 07/10/2010 18:25:48
Originally by: Bhattran
Originally by: Bhattran
Originally by: CCP Navigator
We have an EVE Online Tyrannis 1.1 Issues Thread in the EIP. Yes, there have been some bugs and players are reporting these through the bug reporting system. We would encourage all players who experience bugs to submit a detailed bug report and we will investigate.
How come those bugs weren't investigated when they were reported on the test server?
/me looks at question that hasn't been answered yet while 2 'optional' patches have been released...
Make that three patches.
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Danghor
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:01:00 -
[206]
Still plenty of bugs after installing all the optional patches.
Feedback : I don't pay you to be your beta tester. Wake up !!!
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Prime
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:59:00 -
[207]
Agreed,
we should not be forced to be their beta testers.
CCP, HONESTLY, just use the OLD code base, give us ONLY the working align to bookmark, and drop the rest.
Please drop the 50+ regressions we have seen with the new 'code base', and just use the old system+align to bookmark UNTIL SISI has it figured out ok?
Prime
Beta testing eve since 2002Ö
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.11 19:03:00 -
[208]
If CCP want to know how deep they fell into the hole, they only need to look at PLEX price dynamics.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.10.14 02:49:00 -
[209]
Is there some dedicated thread aimed towards or informing about patch #4 ?
http://www.eveonline.com/patches/optional/?from=188432&to=190430 reads:
== snip ==
The first THREE Tyrannis 1.1 optional patches have been removed from the server and all fixes are now included in this THIRD patch.
== snip ==
lol
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JamesAlex
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Posted - 2010.10.14 12:15:00 -
[210]
Wow, 7 whole pages of feedback and CCP hasn't replied to ANY of it except a couple of people in the first page. I suggest everyone start posting their "feedback" in the "issues" topic where CCP is "slightly" paying more attention. CCP, if you are actually reading this: WAKE UP!!!
Seriously, just do ALL of your customers a favor and ROLLBACK this mockery of an update (1.1 in its entirety), hire an INTERNAL (no outsourcing crap) Quality Assurance department, and at this point of 4 optional patches which STILL have not fixed all the damage caused by 1.1, PROVIDE COMPENSATION! I will NOT renew my membership (and I suspect MANY others won't either) until ALL the 1.1 issues are CONFIRMED FIXED, someone at CCP APOLOGIZES, and accounts that were active when 1.1 was deployed receive some time of SIGNIFICANT compensation. You're lucky you're not based in the United States, otherwise you'd be getting sued right now.
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Burger2
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.17 17:47:00 -
[211]
I have problems when marking text and trying to copy that text to another window with ctrl+c and ctrl+v.... I don't get all the marked text =(
Using the windows version of eve-online in Windows 7 64-bit.
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