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Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.01 17:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 17:14:50 Hey everyone, I need a T1 cruiser fit, T2/Best Named. The requirements (in order of importance): - To tank 500 DPS - To do 500 DPS - To not rely too much on drones for DPS, because I need to operate under sentry fire - To have ~20K EHP - To have decent range - To have decent speed - To preferably be armor tanked Feel free to use pirate implants and 5% hardwirings. Thanks! -Liang Ed: Also, to be clear: No faction or T2 cruisers are acceptable. :) -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.01 17:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Liang Nuren Hey everyone, I need a T1 cruiser fit, T2/Best Named. The requirements (in order of importance): - To tank 500 DPS - To do 500 DPS - To not rely too much on drones for DPS, because I need to operate under sentry fire - To have ~20K EHP - To have decent range - To have decent speed - To preferably be armor tanked Feel free to use pirate implants and 5% hardwirings. Thanks! -Liang its a nice dream... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.10.01 17:27:00 - [3] Rupture can meet all of those at once bar the 500 dps tank i think. Stadard armor buffer fit, 425s, HAMs, and a single tracking comp puts both weapon systems @20km range (that decent?). 2-3mins of cap iirc, ~1500m/s burning MWD (named ofc), otherwise stable. I'm still at work so i'll have to double check EFT later.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.01 17:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Irae Ragwan Rupture can meet all of those at once bar the 500 dps tank i think. Unfortunately, the 500 DPS tank was the very first and most important requirement. I was not able to find a reasonable way to make get my desired goals out of a rupture - but maybe you can make it happen. :) -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Mavnas	Posted - 2010.10.01 17:31:00 - [5] Is that 500 DPS omni-tank or specific resists?
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.10.01 17:34:00 - [6] Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 01/10/2010 17:35:08 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Irae Ragwan Rupture can meet all of those at once bar the 500 dps tank i think. Unfortunately, the 500 DPS tank was the very first and most important requirement. I was not able to find a reasonable way to make get my desired goals out of a rupture - but maybe you can make it happen. :) -Liang Offhand i'd say that's not feasible without making a brick of some kind, but i'm up to the challenge. Should be home to monkey with eft in a few hours.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.01 17:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Mavnas Is that 500 DPS omni-tank or specific resists? Ah, fantastic question. I should have been more clear. This is a PVP fit, and therefore needs omnitank. I'll update the OP to include a requirement for point and/or web. Both are preferable. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Kerdrak Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:04:00 - [8] You can perma tank the sentries with a maller, good luck dealing some dps though... ________________________________________
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:10:00 - [9] This is a very interesting challenge. Can I assume that your list is in priority order? (Going to be hard to hit all of the points...) I'm also assuming that's a 500 DPS burst tank? Is there a minimum time you'd need to run it for?
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:12:00 - [10] Why not a BC? Or a HAC? T1 cruisers are mostly just cheap junk :) [Rupture, New Setup 1 copy 2] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Nosferatu II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Nosferatu II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Hammerhead II x1 Hobgoblin II x4 tanks 464 with exile booster and 2 5% implants. You are likely not getting anything better then this unless you go faction or something ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

Footoo Rama Gallente Beyond Control.	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:28:00 - [11] I want a pony too! But I will try, getting 500/500 out of a t1 cruiser is going to be pretty impossible... For you liang I will try... ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:31:00 - [12] What do I win? Might not have 20k EHP omni, but will have better EHP under turret fire due to good Therm resist. Stats: 479 tank (with Synth Exile and overheated) 604 tank (with Strong Exile and overheated) 479 DPS (overheated) 11.6k EHP (13.8k with Slave set) 1305 m/s (1861 m/s overheated) Implants used: Slot 6: Numon Family Herloom Slot 8: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZGM1000 Slot 9: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Noble' ZET4000 Slot 10: Imperial Navy Modified 'Noble' Implant + Exile Booster ofcourse. Enjoy. [Thorax, Win] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Hammerhead II x5
Peckles Pyrotechnics Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:36:00 - [13] Edited by: Peckles on 01/10/2010 18:37:01 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 17:36:52 Hey everyone, I need a T1 Battlecruiser fit, T2/Best Named. The requirements (in order of importance): - This is a PVP fit. It needs tackle - at the minimum a scram, but scram+web is much preferred. - To tank 500 DPS (Omni) - To do 500 DPS - To not rely too much on drones for DPS, because I need to operate under sentry fire - To have ~20K EHP - To have decent range - To have decent speed - To preferably be armor tanked Feel free to use pirate implants and 5% hardwirings. Thanks! -Liang FYP
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:36:00 - [14] Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated. -Liang That Thorax will get 423 without overheating any of the lows, but there is no T1 cruiser that can do 500 tank and be cap stable (if thats what you want?). Just carry repair paste if theres no stations
Jayka Kyer	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Jayka Kyer on 01/10/2010 18:50:02 [Maller, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ran out of time to mess with this but not used any hardwirings and with out heat tanks 418 omni
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.10.01 18:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Liang Nuren Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated. -Liang Very curious as to why you'd want to do this in a cruiser.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:09:00 - [18] Originally by: TheMahdi Originally by: Liang Nuren Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated. -Liang That Thorax will get 423 without overheating any of the lows, but there is no T1 cruiser that can do 500 tank and be cap stable (if thats what you want?). Just carry repair paste if theres no stations I'm not so concerned about cap booster costs - I'm very concerned about overheating my reps and running out of tank though. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Mara Abraham Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:22:00 - [19] Hi Liang: This is interesting because I view you as one of the fitting experts in the world of Eve. May I ask why T1 cruiser vs. BC or even T2 cruiser variants or even strategic cruisers? Thank you.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:24:00 - [20] You can stop overheating before you burn out. And you can always repair the module, if you don't survive your not going to care anyway. Your cap is going to run out before you burn out completely anyway, with both setups the time to burn out and time till out of cap is roughly the same. There is no way to get 500+ without overheating. This setup comes close to that without overheating, maybe with T2 rigs but thats not worth it. Heres another possibility: [Moa, Win] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Hobgoblin II x3

Sam Bowein Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:31:00 - [21] Edited by: Sam Bowein on 01/10/2010 19:32:02 I think the Thorax would be your best bet.. Cap will be an issue though. That's the best I could do http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8959/thoraxliang.jpg
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:43:00 - [22] Thorax is definetly your best bet, I have tried every single cruiser, none come anywhere near the Thorax to meet your requirements. protip: don't be scared of a little heat.
Zeba ForumWhoor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:45:00 - [23] Liang is an evil person.. ZOMG!!!
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.01 19:55:00 - [24] Edited by: TheMahdi on 01/10/2010 20:03:37 The Moa can get close, same fit but with MWD: http://i.imgur.com/G8zB8.jpg Edit: The more I look at it, the more I like the Moa. It's got more EHP and way more table then the dual rep Thorax. It's also got a WTF factor to it, Moa?
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Mara Abraham May I ask why T1 cruiser vs. BC or even T2 cruiser variants or even strategic cruisers? Two reasons (in order): - Lulz - Cost Also, so far nobody has produced anything that I haven't already looked at and improved upon. My requirements aren't arbitrary. I was hoping to be one upped by Eve-O. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Mara Abraham May I ask why T1 cruiser vs. BC or even T2 cruiser variants or even strategic cruisers? Two reasons (in order): - Lulz - Cost Also, so far nobody has produced anything that I haven't already looked at and improved upon. My requirements aren't arbitrary. I was hoping to be one upped by Eve-O. -Liang Please enlighten us as to anything better. Also, there are limits, so far the Moa and the Thorax are the only real candidates. The Vexor could get close but it's primarly drone DPS. You can't get one upped when there is nothing more to up.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:29:00 - [27] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 20:30:17 Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 20:30:05 Originally by: TheMahdi Please enlighten us as to anything better. Also, there are limits, so far the Moa and the Thorax are the only real candidates. The Vexor could get close but it's primarly drone DPS. You can't get one upped when there is nothing more to up. Do you seriously doubt that I would make a statement like that that I can't back up? You aught to know better by now. :) -Liang Ed: I do agree that the Thorax and Rupture are the best for my purposes though. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.01 20:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 20:30:17 Do you seriously doubt that I would make a statement like that that I can't back up? You aught to know better by now. :) Nah, I've been lurking in EVE-O long enough to know that you probably have a spreadsheet to back it up aswell. Honestly, I just really want to know. If you are going to do what I think you are going to do, it sounds like a lot of fun, never really considered a T1 cruiser till now. Always just went with BC or higher for the same purpose.
Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.10.01 23:14:00 - [29] A hurricane will meet all your requirements and they are only marginally more expensive then a T1 cruiser after calculating the cost of the ship after insurance/t2 fittngs. But you know that, so carry on. ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.10.02 00:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Liang Nuren Also, so far nobody has produced anything that I haven't already looked at and improved upon. My requirements aren't arbitrary. I was hoping to be one upped by Eve-O. -Liang I've put in an hour of EFT and that's as much as i'm wiling to do atm. Nothing i've cooked up comes close on defense without taking a god-awful crap on dps. Personally, regardless of what you think you're doing. I doubt you need that much tank, but perhaps i'm way off on my assumption of what you're up to...



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