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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 17:14:50
Hey everyone,
I need a T1 cruiser fit, T2/Best Named. The requirements (in order of importance):
- To tank 500 DPS
- To do 500 DPS
- To not rely too much on drones for DPS, because I need to operate under sentry fire
- To have ~20K EHP
- To have decent range
- To have decent speed
- To preferably be armor tanked
Feel free to use pirate implants and 5% hardwirings.
Thanks!
-Liang
Ed: Also, to be clear: No faction or T2 cruisers are acceptable. :)
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Liang Nuren
Hey everyone,
I need a T1 cruiser fit, T2/Best Named. The requirements (in order of importance):
- To tank 500 DPS
- To do 500 DPS
- To not rely too much on drones for DPS, because I need to operate under sentry fire
- To have ~20K EHP
- To have decent range
- To have decent speed
- To preferably be armor tanked
Feel free to use pirate implants and 5% hardwirings.
Thanks!
-Liang
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:27:00 -
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Rupture can meet all of those at once bar the 500 dps tank i think. Stadard armor buffer fit, 425s, HAMs, and a single tracking comp puts both weapon systems @20km range (that decent?). 2-3mins of cap iirc, ~1500m/s burning MWD (named ofc), otherwise stable. I'm still at work so i'll have to double check EFT later.
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Liang Nuren
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War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Rupture can meet all of those at once bar the 500 dps tank i think.
Unfortunately, the 500 DPS tank was the very first and most important requirement. I was not able to find a reasonable way to make get my desired goals out of a rupture - but maybe you can make it happen. :)
-Liang
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:31:00 -
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Is that 500 DPS omni-tank or specific resists?
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 01/10/2010 17:35:08
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Rupture can meet all of those at once bar the 500 dps tank i think.
Unfortunately, the 500 DPS tank was the very first and most important requirement. I was not able to find a reasonable way to make get my desired goals out of a rupture - but maybe you can make it happen. :)
-Liang
Offhand i'd say that's not feasible without making a brick of some kind, but i'm up to the challenge. Should be home to monkey with eft in a few hours.
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Liang Nuren
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War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mavnas
Is that 500 DPS omni-tank or specific resists?
Ah, fantastic question. I should have been more clear. This is a PVP fit, and therefore needs omnitank. I'll update the OP to include a requirement for point and/or web. Both are preferable.
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Kerdrak
Big Guns Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:04:00 -
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You can perma tank the sentries with a maller, good luck dealing some dps though...
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:10:00 -
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This is a very interesting challenge. Can I assume that your list is in priority order? (Going to be hard to hit all of the points...)
I'm also assuming that's a 500 DPS burst tank? Is there a minimum time you'd need to run it for?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:12:00 -
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Why not a BC? Or a HAC?
T1 cruisers are mostly just cheap junk :)
[Rupture, New Setup 1 copy 2]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Nosferatu II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Nosferatu II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x1
Hobgoblin II x4
tanks 464 with exile booster and 2 5% implants. You are likely not getting anything better then this unless you go faction or something ;)
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Beyond Control.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:28:00 -
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I want a pony too! But I will try, getting 500/500 out of a t1 cruiser is going to be pretty impossible...
For you liang I will try...
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:31:00 -
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What do I win?
Might not have 20k EHP omni, but will have better EHP under turret fire due to good Therm resist.
Stats:
479 tank (with Synth Exile and overheated)
604 tank (with Strong Exile and overheated)
479 DPS (overheated)
11.6k EHP (13.8k with Slave set)
1305 m/s (1861 m/s overheated)
Implants used:
Slot 6: Numon Family Herloom
Slot 8: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Deadeye' ZGM1000
Slot 9: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Noble' ZET4000
Slot 10: Imperial Navy Modified 'Noble' Implant
+ Exile Booster ofcourse.
Enjoy.
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Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x5
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Peckles
Pyrotechnics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Peckles on 01/10/2010 18:37:01
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 17:36:52
Hey everyone,
I need a T1 Battlecruiser fit, T2/Best Named. The requirements (in order of importance):
- This is a PVP fit. It needs tackle - at the minimum a scram, but scram+web is much preferred.
- To tank 500 DPS (Omni)
- To do 500 DPS
- To not rely too much on drones for DPS, because I need to operate under sentry fire
- To have ~20K EHP
- To have decent range
- To have decent speed
- To preferably be armor tanked
Feel free to use pirate implants and 5% hardwirings.
Thanks!
-Liang
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:36:00 -
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Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated.
-Liang
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated.
-Liang
That Thorax will get 423 without overheating any of the lows, but there is no T1 cruiser that can do 500 tank and be cap stable (if thats what you want?).
Just carry repair paste if theres no stations 
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Jayka Kyer
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jayka Kyer on 01/10/2010 18:50:02
[Maller, New Setup 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Ran out of time to mess with this but not used any hardwirings and with out heat tanks 418 omni
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.10.01 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated.
-Liang
Very curious as to why you'd want to do this in a cruiser.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: TheMahdi
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Hey, just to clarify - I'm hoping to be able to hang out under sentry fire for a sustained period. I'm really looking for a 500 DPS omnitank that isn't overheated.
-Liang
That Thorax will get 423 without overheating any of the lows, but there is no T1 cruiser that can do 500 tank and be cap stable (if thats what you want?).
Just carry repair paste if theres no stations
I'm not so concerned about cap booster costs - I'm very concerned about overheating my reps and running out of tank though.
-Liang
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:22:00 -
[19]
Hi Liang:
This is interesting because I view you as one of the fitting experts in the world of Eve.
May I ask why T1 cruiser vs. BC or even T2 cruiser variants or even strategic cruisers?
Thank you.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:24:00 -
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You can stop overheating before you burn out. And you can always repair the module, if you don't survive your not going to care anyway.
Your cap is going to run out before you burn out completely anyway, with both setups the time to burn out and time till out of cap is roughly the same. There is no way to get 500+ without overheating.
This setup comes close to that without overheating, maybe with T2 rigs but thats not worth it.
Heres another possibility:
[Moa, Win]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Shield Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Hobgoblin II x3
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Sam Bowein
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sam Bowein on 01/10/2010 19:32:02
I think the Thorax would be your best bet.. Cap will be an issue though. That's the best I could do
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8959/thoraxliang.jpg
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:43:00 -
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Thorax is definetly your best bet, I have tried every single cruiser, none come anywhere near the Thorax to meet your requirements.
protip: don't be scared of a little heat.
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:45:00 -
[23]
Liang is an evil person..
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: TheMahdi on 01/10/2010 20:03:37
The Moa can get close, same fit but with MWD: http://i.imgur.com/G8zB8.jpg
Edit: The more I look at it, the more I like the Moa. It's got more EHP and way more table then the dual rep Thorax.
It's also got a WTF factor to it, Moa?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Abraham
May I ask why T1 cruiser vs. BC or even T2 cruiser variants or even strategic cruisers?
Two reasons (in order):
- Lulz
- Cost
Also, so far nobody has produced anything that I haven't already looked at and improved upon. My requirements aren't arbitrary. I was hoping to be one upped by Eve-O.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Mara Abraham
May I ask why T1 cruiser vs. BC or even T2 cruiser variants or even strategic cruisers?
Two reasons (in order):
- Lulz
- Cost
Also, so far nobody has produced anything that I haven't already looked at and improved upon. My requirements aren't arbitrary. I was hoping to be one upped by Eve-O.
-Liang
Please enlighten us as to anything better. Also, there are limits, so far the Moa and the Thorax are the only real candidates. The Vexor could get close but it's primarly drone DPS.
You can't get one upped when there is nothing more to up.
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Liang Nuren
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War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 20:30:17
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 20:30:05
Originally by: TheMahdi
Please enlighten us as to anything better. Also, there are limits, so far the Moa and the Thorax are the only real candidates. The Vexor could get close but it's primarly drone DPS.
You can't get one upped when there is nothing more to up.
Do you *seriously* doubt that I would make a statement like that that I can't back up? You aught to know better by now. :)
-Liang
Ed: I do agree that the Thorax and Rupture are the best for my purposes though.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/10/2010 20:30:17
Do you *seriously* doubt that I would make a statement like that that I can't back up? You aught to know better by now. :)
Nah, I've been lurking in EVE-O long enough to know that you probably have a spreadsheet to back it up aswell.
Honestly, I just really want to know. If you are going to do what I think you are going to do, it sounds like a lot of fun, never really considered a T1 cruiser till now. Always just went with BC or higher for the same purpose.
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Helmh0ltz
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Posted - 2010.10.01 23:14:00 -
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A hurricane will meet all your requirements and they are only marginally more expensive then a T1 cruiser after calculating the cost of the ship after insurance/t2 fittngs. But you know that, so carry on.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.10.02 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Also, so far nobody has produced anything that I haven't already looked at and improved upon. My requirements aren't arbitrary. I was hoping to be one upped by Eve-O.
-Liang
I've put in an hour of EFT and that's as much as i'm wiling to do atm. Nothing i've cooked up comes close on defense without taking a god-awful crap on dps. Personally, regardless of what you think you're doing. I doubt you need that much tank, but perhaps i'm way off on my assumption of what you're up to... 
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iKill Giants
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.02 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: iKill Giants on 02/10/2010 00:29:01
:)
Less Gordian Knot plz, kthnxbai.
Inb4OMGFACTION, I have little tolerance for this kind of game. If you want though I can apply the same loopholes for t2 most likely. Faction is really for fitting reasons.
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Project Sigma
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Posted - 2010.10.02 00:51:00 -
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yeah, that was going to be my question - as long as this isn't one of those "I managed to fit a Gjallarhorn onto an omen!" or "T3 isn't T2 OR faction lololol" game, are fleet boosters acceptable? T2 Rigs? (I assume not, but you said T2 fit, so...)
And don't be pedantic. If you want to see if someone can top your fitting, be more specific than "500/500, and it's a cruiser!".
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Templar Dane on 02/10/2010 01:41:05
Liang, you ask the impossible! The 500/500 dps/tank AND stay cheap?
It's been asked before, but I need to know if a gangboosting legion is allowed......and about the bit of it needing a good range/speed? A dual rep blaster maller comes sorta close, but meh.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:55:00 -
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To be fair Liang, I don't see what you wish to achieve with this thread?
The only reason to fit a T1 cruiser in this manner is for "lols", it's not going to be cheaper or more practical than flying a BC.
A couple of people have posted fits that nearly meet your specifications and as far as I can tell there is no T1 cruiser fit that'll do what you're asking.
If you're withholding a ship fit that you think does better, then by all means do post it. Even if you do however I fail to see the point of such a fit.
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Liang Nuren
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War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.02 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 02/10/2010 02:25:59
Originally by: Project Sigma
are fleet boosters acceptable?
Yeah, absolutely. You can assume a single mindlinked T3 with the three racial gang mods running, but you cannot assume a Titan in fleet. Combat boosters are also acceptable, but not above standard I think.
-Liang
Originally by: Psiri
The only reason to fit a T1 cruiser in this manner is for "lols", it's not going to be cheaper or more practical than flying a BC. ... I fail to see the point of such a fit.
What I am asking for is battlecruiser performance out of a cruiser hull. You might ask why, when it's easier to just use a BC, but I want to point out these major benefits of using a cruiser hull:
- Their sig radius is much, much smaller.
- They are much faster and more nimble.
- It's far easier to bait battlecruisers into attacking you.
- FOR THE ****ING LULZ MAN. IMAGINE THE LULZ!!!
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iKill Giants
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Posted - 2010.10.02 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
- FOR THE ****ING LULZ MAN. IMAGINE THE LULZ!!!
WHEN AN ABADDON DIES TO MY RUPTURE.
I LULZ.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.10.02 03:05:00 -
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Edited by: Psiri on 02/10/2010 03:06:22
Originally by: Liang Nuren
What I am asking for is battlecruiser performance out of a cruiser hull. You might ask why, when it's easier to just use a BC, but I want to point out these major benefits of using a cruiser hull:
- Their sig radius is much, much smaller.
- They are much faster and more nimble.
- It's far easier to bait battlecruisers into attacking you.
- FOR THE ****ING LULZ MAN. IMAGINE THE LULZ!!!
Sure, cruiser hulls do have advantages, but I feel that you're going the wrong way about making the best of them.
A vanilla 1600mm Rupture with Trimarks (expensive, but gives you the underestimation factor that you're looking for) sports around 400DPS (can squeeze it up to 420 with hobgobs if you like) and 41k EHP. Naturally you still get to have the full MWD/point/Web kit to go along with it. I just feel that you get a much more potent ship than if you were to go for an active fit.
Sure, you can skip the propulsion mod in order to add to the bait effect, in which case a shield fit may look more attractive (then again, that hurts the aspect of a small sig). You can get nearly 50k EHP out of a Moa and 390DPS using auto cannons (works better since you can't expect to dictate range with it) if you skip the MWD.... but yeah, wether that's more fun to you I don't know.
Anyhow, I guess my point is, if you wish to fit a T1 Cruiser, bait or no bait, a buffer is most likely your best bet.
Also, if you're looking for an underestimated ship that attracts BCs then I think you'd be better off with a Ferox or a Cyclone.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.10.02 03:27:00 -
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Heck, Trimark a prophecy for giggles. Slap on auto cannons instead for more DPS and not dependancy on cap, suddenly you're looking at a 400DPS, 100k EHP ****magnet that'll attract all sorts of universal scum.
Add slaves and you're looking at 130k EHP, not bad for the least liked tier 1 BC in the game.
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Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.10.02 04:46:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Professor Villinghopper on 02/10/2010 04:49:42
Edited by: Professor Villinghopper on 02/10/2010 04:47:35
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/545/moalol.jpg
You mentioned price so I didn't use T2 Rigs. T2 rigs, one of the extenders and either one of the resit rigs bump this up to 20k ehp. Bit tired of tinkering with it, but this is about as close as I can come to your requirements. I'm afraid it isn't armor tanked, and it does use those three light drones, nor does it have Decent Range, but you are using a Scrambler so hopefully you can get into blaster range anyway. You can swap one Electron for an Ion, but I'm a bit OCD and tend to keep my weapons all the same if possible. Two Electrons can turn into Ions if you drop from a HAM to a HM. Even more if you keep swapping down to an AML, but again I'm OCD about keeping all the same weapons so I went with all Electrons. You said Standard Booster only, play the roulette and hope you don't get the shield penalty and crash your ehp.
Edit because I would love to see any improvements you make on the fit, if you even bother.
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Inanamus Zura
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Posted - 2010.10.02 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Inanamus Zura on 02/10/2010 05:00:44
[Rupture, Liang]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x1
Hobgoblin II x4
With reppers overheated, and a standard exile booster, omni tanks 433 DPS. Downside is with the MWD off, the cap only lasts 58 seconds.
This fit does however come very close to that "500" mark, with guns and launchers overloaded, with drones, gets 477 DPS. Edit: No Damage implants are included in this.
Only problem seems to be the cap, maybe a friendly BS could cap transfer? :)
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Liang Nuren
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War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.02 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri
Anyhow, I guess my point is, if you wish to fit a T1 Cruiser, bait or no bait, a buffer is most likely your best bet.
It can be, but buffer tanks are notoriously poor for taking sentry fire.
Consider the situation where you're taking 700 DPS:
- Rupture 1: 80K EHP. Time to live: 114 sec
- Rupture 2: 18K EHP / 560 DPS tank. Time to live: 128 sec
Of course, this neglects things like neuts ... but it also neglects entering the fight with quarter armor because you traveled across 4 jumps of sentry fire with no shields left.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.02 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Psiri
Anyhow, I guess my point is, if you wish to fit a T1 Cruiser, bait or no bait, a buffer is most likely your best bet.
It can be, but buffer tanks are notoriously poor for taking sentry fire.
Consider the situation where you're taking 700 DPS:
- Rupture 1: 80K EHP. Time to live: 114 sec
- Rupture 2: 18K EHP / 560 DPS tank. Time to live: 128 sec
Of course, this neglects things like neuts ... but it also neglects entering the fight with quarter armor because you traveled across 4 jumps of sentry fire with no shields left.
-Liang
It also ignores that annoying counter dps the target is applying to you.
Whoops! 
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Liang Nuren
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War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.02 05:45:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Zeba
It also ignores that annoying counter dps the target is applying to you.
Whoops!
News flash, but sentries don't deal 700 DPS. It was the annoying counter DPS. 
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Zeba
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.02 05:49:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zeba
It also ignores that annoying counter dps the target is applying to you.
Whoops!
News flash, but sentries don't deal 700 DPS. It was the annoying counter DPS.
-Liang
Then say so. Remember when we poast on the forums its supposed to inform the uninformed so they can be 1337 pvpers too. 
Originally by: Blane Xero
Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Project Sigma
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Posted - 2010.10.02 06:00:00 -
[45]
Ok, here goes nothing.
So, according to the rules:
Standard Exile in effect,
Max-skilled, mindlinked legion pilot running all three armored warfare links
Lancer, G2-Gamma
Gunslinger, CX-2
[Thorax, For Sparta]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x5
509 in, 501 out. (659/552 with heat) Not quite cap stable, but close.
Range sucks, speed is meh. I'm sure someone can fill in the gaps that I'm missing, but numbers wise, it hits the top two at least. Since you're obviously fleeted, might as well throw a skirmish warfare link on the Thorax pilot to counteract the armor rigs. Has the EHP of a tissue Intigo used, and that's WITH a HG slave set.
Using an aux nano pump instead of nanobot accelerator brings the tank down to 498, but increases the sustained by a bit (~60ish, iirc). Could be close enough.
Yes, I used an RCU, and it hurt my soul. It's imperfect but I'm sure someone can run with it.
GL, for what it's worth I love the idea. What's the game worth if not lulz? Hell, I'll fit one out and try it out with you. I can provide the max skilled mindlinked legion pilot...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2010.10.02 06:57:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
- FOR THE ****ING LULZ MAN. IMAGINE THE LULZ!!!
someone would have done it by now if it was possible.
tbh you are better off with a standard bait ship. consider the EHP tank and not the 500ehp/s active tank
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.10.02 07:03:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
It can be, but buffer tanks are notoriously poor for taking sentry fire.
Consider the situation where you're taking 700 DPS:
- Rupture 1: 80K EHP. Time to live: 114 sec
- Rupture 2: 18K EHP / 560 DPS tank. Time to live: 128 sec
Of course, this neglects things like neuts ... but it also neglects entering the fight with quarter armor because you traveled across 4 jumps of sentry fire with no shields left.
-Liang
Depends on the type of active tank, now doesn't it? An active armor tank won't come into effect until the shields are depleted, which shaves off a bit of time.
Without a propulsion mod you may end up losing a target every now and then, or end up taking unecessary ammounts of sentry gun damage before getting into damage dealing range.
Lastly, T1 cruisers aren't exactly suited to tank sentry fire. In fact, I'd say that solo gate camping is a bad idea in general.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.10.02 07:15:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Project Sigma
509 in, 501 out.
Very nice - that's really close to what I came up with. I was willing to trade the MWD for an Afterburner on the assumption that if someone managed to kill me they'd get a T1 cruiser killmail. I'd really hoped for a MWD+Ion fit that met the 500/500 requirements, but it's so far eluded me. So between the slowness, range, and heavy reliance on drones I'm thinking I would almost rather go for the Rupture or Moa.
The Thorax fit I was looking at:
5x Electron II
Y-S8, Med EC, Scram II
2x MAR II, EANM II, DC II, MFS II
2x Nano Pump / Nanobot Accel
5x Hammerhead II
518 out / 563 in / 18.7K EHP / 460 m/s
Obviously the Thorax was never going to be beaten on raw damage/tank numbers - it has a damage bonus, big drone bay, and 5 lows. I would have been super happy to be surprised by a Rupture, Maller, or Moa fit though.
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GL, for what it's worth I love the idea. What's the game worth if not lulz? Hell, I'll fit one out and try it out with you. I can provide the max skilled mindlinked legion pilot...
Exactly! I may just take you up on that - I'm still training my armor mindlink up on my leadership alts - I've currently only got the skirmish mindlink on a Tengu pilot. 
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Posted - 2010.10.02 07:21:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Psiri
EDIT: Also, 700DPS is what you'd expect versus another T1 cruiser when under sentry fire. Engage anything that deals more DPS than that and the buffer fit will become more favorable.
I'm not sure why you think I don't have any propulsion mod, and why you think I'm going to engage damage dealing ships under gate fire. Killing a frig or two on a gate is reasonable. Taking the sentries while traveling is reasonable. Tanking the sentries while waiting on a gate for the call to warp in is reasonable. Tanking a BC in a belt is reasonable.
There are lots of reasons to use an active tank. Lots of reasons not to, but so far you aren't making a compelling argument why I'd rather have an 80K EHP Rupture than a 600 DPS tanking one.
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Zeba
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.02 07:54:00 -
[50]
So answer us this O wise Liang of S&M. Why isn't a battlecruiser a viable choice for your pirate gate camping pleasure. After insurance its pretty much in the same price catagory as a nub t1 cruiser especially if you live long enough to actually kill your target and loot the wreck.
Why Do You Need A 500/500 T1 Gate Camping Cruiser? 
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.10.02 09:29:00 -
[51]
No fair! You should of mentioned boosting alt to begin with. I would of fitted accordingly, oh well, they were quite similiar to what you came up with.
I still prefer the Moa, slightly faster and the main reason, it has that "LULWUT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN" factor.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.02 09:33:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Zeba
Why Do You Need A 500/500 T1 Gate Camping Cruiser?
Think of it like a Q-Ship. I look like a cruiser, but in reality I'm a battlecruiser. Its purely for the lulz.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2010.10.02 10:24:00 -
[53]
/cry why does the moa only have 4 midslots although lol xl booster moa
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Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.10.02 10:48:00 -
[54]
Zzz...
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.10.02 10:50:00 -
[55]
[Moa, 4liang]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Booster II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x3
with a tengu as booster + crystal set + blue pill it tank 540 dps forever (until you have cap booster) w/o mwd running no heat.
with 2 x 5% damage & rof implant it will deal 470 dps, 531 with heat (on guns i think its acceptable).
it only fall short on the EHP side, only 14k
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.10.02 13:33:00 -
[56]
Originally by: 1600 RT
[Moa, 4liang]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Booster II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x3
with a tengu as booster + crystal set + blue pill it tank 540 dps forever (until you have cap booster) w/o mwd running no heat.
with 2 x 5% damage & rof implant it will deal 470 dps, 531 with heat (on guns i think its acceptable).
it only fall short on the EHP side, only 14k
I like this.
Domination large booster(I see one in jita for 16mil right now, and they are all under 20 I think) lets you upgrade the electron for another ion, damage control to tech 2, and switch out the named scram for tech 2. Same tank and cap-use, but that's why they're so cheap.
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.02 16:42:00 -
[57]
Damn you.. i just did build nearly the same Tengu boosted Moa...as above, grr... stupid work.. always keeps me away from spacepixels...
Still thinking, but my uniformed guts say that without a booster ship and/or overheating its not possible to fit those specifications unless cap stability > 1 minutes doesnt matter.
Now just because its an Omen and for diversities sake:
The LoLLiangOmen:
477 tank / 432 dps
10k EHP
565 m/s AB
1 min 30 with AB / 2 min without
[Omen, lolLiangOmen]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Warrior II x3
Legion Booster, Slaves, Pashans, Strong Exile, Slaves & Co.
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Project Sigma
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Posted - 2010.10.02 19:04:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I was willing to trade the MWD for an Afterburner on the assumption that if someone managed to kill me they'd get a T1 cruiser killmail.
Ok, a little more messing around produced this. I think this hits every single criteria except for 20k ehp.
[Rupture, NovaCane]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Fury Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Fury Light Missile
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x2
509 in, 509 out, with the same standard exile/Lvl 5 Legion booster and a single 5% damage implant. Using Gunslinger CX-2, MX-2, and Deadeye MM-1000 together hits 529 dps. It's faster than the Rax, has the ability to switch damage types or barrage for range, and less reliant on drones. Cap is terrible. It could probably do passably well with Hail in the D180's.
Alternatively, it still works with a MWD - just switch the Y-S8 for a Y-T8, and downgrade to D180's. With CX-2, MX-2, and MM-1000, it hits 505 dps. Same as before, an aux nano pump drops the tank down to 498, but bumps your cap stability up a bit.
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I would have been super happy to be surprised by a Rupture, Maller, or Moa fit though
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Posted - 2010.10.02 19:52:00 -
[59]
[Rupture, stupid]
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Shaqil's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Draclira's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum A-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
425mm AutoCannon II, Domination Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Domination Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Domination Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Domination Phased Plasma M
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
'Augmented' Hammerhead x1
'Augmented' Hobgoblin x4
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.10.02 20:16:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I'm not sure why you think I don't have any propulsion mod, and why you think I'm going to engage damage dealing ships under gate fire. Killing a frig or two on a gate is reasonable. Taking the sentries while traveling is reasonable. Tanking the sentries while waiting on a gate for the call to warp in is reasonable. Tanking a BC in a belt is reasonable.
There are lots of reasons to use an active tank. Lots of reasons not to, but so far you aren't making a compelling argument why I'd rather have an 80K EHP Rupture than a 600 DPS tanking one.
-Liang
Well, an afterburner does help, especially in conjunction with a low signature radius. However, the problem with quick damage application still remains, especially with a ship like an electron Throax.
You were the one that came up with the 700 inbound DPS example and you even stated in the opening post that you wanted to operate under sentry gun fire.
If the only sentry tanking ability you need is to tank sentries during jumps, then you only need a single rep. Personally I don't find this to be much of an issue though, if you can get one good engagement per 15-30 minutes then you're doing more than well for yourself already.
I can't think of many BC vanilla fits that'd lose to any of the T1 Cruiser fits posted here in this thread. If you want to beat BCs with a T1 Cruiser I believe you'd be far better off using something along the lines of a TD or two to get that important edge that you need.
As for active tanks, yes they do have their uses but also some glaring downsides. I personally think they are the most attractive when fighting multiple enemies. As you manage to pick off targets the tank can become stable enough to last you, unlike with a buffer that'd still be low and dropping. That kind of scenario is fairly rare though, as it's a fine balance between outnumbered and certain death.
Anyhow, you know this game very well. You know how frequently fitted neuts are on anything larger than a frigate. You know what you're up against and you it's your isk and your time.
- Whatever floats your boat mate, or tanks the spank or whatever it is that you wish to do. G'luck.
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Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.02 20:59:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 02/10/2010 21:02:13
N/M fit doest meet the OP I lost my Sniper Position!
And everyone else loses my Sniper Moa!
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
League of Gentlemen
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:31:00 -
[62]
Very educational.
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.03 10:32:00 -
[63]
What about cheap/easily available faction modules? being as you have unlimited implants and alts in T3.
if so, whats the price cap on a single module?
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Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.03 11:08:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Marko Riva on 03/10/2010 11:15:01
Edited by: Marko Riva on 03/10/2010 11:10:48
There is no cruiser than can omni tank 500 (without using ridiculous fittings) while at the same time having dps and tackle and doing it on it's own (no gang links or silly implants). Especially not when trying to armour tank it. Only thing that would get you tank that would be a SPR shield fit or an oversized shield booster running for 30 seconds but still your slots will be "wasted" on MWD, scram and damage mods.
It's just not possible.
Get a gang linked Cyclone, that'll easily meet your required stats while still being cheap and fast.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.10.04 02:07:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Marko Riva
Edited by: Marko Riva on 03/10/2010 11:16:53
There is no cruiser than can omni tank 500 (without using ridiculous fittings) while at the same time having dps and tackle and doing it on it's own (no gang links or silly implants). Especially not when trying to armour tank it. Only thing that would get you tank that would be a SPR shield fit or an oversized shield booster running for 30 seconds but still your slots will be "wasted" on MWD, scram and damage mods.
It's just not possible.
Get a gang linked Cyclone, that'll easily meet your required stats while still being cheap and fast.
Hence my earlier post of Liang being an evil bastage..
Originally by: Blane Xero
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.10.04 04:15:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tozmeister
What about cheap/easily available faction modules? being as you have unlimited implants and alts in T3.
if so, whats the price cap on a single module?
That's a great question. The point of the exercise was to give the other party no clue why they were getting roflstomped. As such, I'm happier with best named/T2 mods - but perhaps I should loosen up a bit on cheap cheap faction. I'll tell you what - if the faction mod is cheaper than a 1600 RT, you can use it. I guess that puts about a 5 mil upper limit on it?
Originally by: Marko Riva
no gang links or silly implants
Two things:
- I specifically said 5% hardwirings were allowed.
- I didn't discount gang links. There was a reason I called for EFT warriors.
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Get a gang linked Cyclone, that'll easily meet your required stats while still being cheap and fast.
Sure, I could do that... but it isn't what I want to do in the game.
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Posted - 2010.10.04 05:45:00 -
[67]
http://i56.tinypic.com/6s6xk3.png
Well, I figure since I didn't use an IFFA I get to put that isk to a DG Large booster. I think this is quite reasonable. It has a prom mod, tackle, and no one will ever imagine it's gonna stomp them.
I was working on an arbitrator, but that extra mid and extra turret slot really does it here. Mind you though, it IS possible on arbitrator without an AB...
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2010.10.04 05:59:00 -
[68]
Wonder what the cheapest faction T1 cruiser is (navy exequror?)? Maybe use that.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.04 08:46:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Marko Riva on 04/10/2010 08:56:08
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I didn't discount gang links. There was a reason I called for EFT warriors
-Liang
While not "mentioning" that gang links were allowed didn't help, WITH gang links there are a few options. Of those options the Moa is the best imo, partly because of the "lol, it's a Moa" factor (a lot of people who have no clue have that), partly because it doesn't really use drones for it dps much and mostly because it's just a good ship for the experiment.
Backed by a standard mindlinked gang Tengu. When overheating the mods it'll pass the requirements as you put them. Ship itself is cheap as fek, the money is in the Tengu and implants (neither of which you should lose in lowsec).
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Posted - 2010.10.04 10:29:00 -
[70]
If the idiot wants to do something stupid for the lulz, at least let him figure it out himself.
If anyone gets popped by you, do you think they will give a crap ?
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.10.04 10:53:00 -
[71]
HG crystal'd + Moa w/ assigned fighters. Bonus points if you get a ganglink Tengu in the matter.
What do I win?
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Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.10.04 14:26:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Marko Riva
While not "mentioning" that gang links were allowed didn't help, WITH gang links there are a few options. Of those options the Moa is the best imo, partly because of the "lol, it's a Moa" factor (a lot of people who have no clue have that), partly because it doesn't really use drones for it dps much and mostly because it's just a good ship for the experiment.
TBH, the biggest reason I didn't mention it is because I wanted maximum WTF factor. A dual rep Myrm tanks about 550 DPS, which is what most of these cruisers are pulling down too - and at a third the sig radius. Also, I felt it would be a good educational experience.
And the reason I asked at all is because I was beginning to use a lot of my own time trying various fits to meet my own requirements. I wanted to play the game instead of EFT warrior it - so why not crowdsource the implementation?
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the money is in the Tengu and implants (neither of which you should lose in lowsec).
Agreed - that's exactly the point.
As to your Moa fit: man electrons just drive me up a wall because of their limited range. Swapping the DC for an RCU lets you fit 4 Ions and an Electron. The DPS difference is minimal, but the range is significant. Overall, I'd really like to use the Moa just because the WTF factor is so enormous. It just needs an extra mid so I can put a freaking invuln on there.
Anyway - thanks for all the entries. I'll probably let this go a couple more days before sending some ISK to the better participants.
-Liang
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Posted - 2010.10.04 17:18:00 -
[73]
Liang, thank you, because I guess I hadn't quite realized how incredibly risk-averse the Eve online crowd had become.
I can't speak for Liang, but as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter that there's 50 different ways that this could be done better. It doesn't matter that it could be easily achieved by a dozen other ships. Bigger does not always equal better, and sometimes things need to be done - and this is a hard concept to handle - because it's FUN. I applaud Liang for taking a risk instead of obsessing over his precious killboard stats. And really, even if you lose 4/5 times, the lulz generated by that one win is like a DD aimed straight at your targets e-peen.
The funny part is all the guys going "Hurr BC is bettar! UR Dum!" are the ones that are going to engage this ship thinking it's an easy kill, and then cry hot delicious space tears when their FoTM buffer fit BC or HAC dies to a Moa.
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Das Governator
The Republican Party
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Posted - 2010.10.04 17:38:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Das Governator
http://i56.tinypic.com/6s6xk3.png
Well, I figure since I didn't use an IFFA I get to put that isk to a DG Large booster. I think this is quite reasonable. It has a prom mod, tackle, and no one will ever imagine it's gonna stomp them.
I was working on an arbitrator, but that extra mid and extra turret slot really does it here. Mind you though, it IS possible on arbitrator without an AB...
[Celestis, 500!]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Sabretooth Light Missile
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2
Sorry, I'd forgot to post the fit in useful format.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.10.04 20:59:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Terranid Meester
Wonder what the cheapest faction T1 cruiser is (navy exequror?)? Maybe use that.
the navy Augoror cant even get 500/500 on its own using t2 stuff, its a pipe dream without that boosting legion.
With a boosting legion you could get a far more insane BC and its bullet magnetisum on a gate with gcc without a loigi will be very similer. Even with the minor extra cost but better dps/tank, its cost effictivness will probably exceed the cruiser very quickly.
imo.
should be, fit me a ship for 50m with the same goal and let people go nuts ;P
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Eva Blacklist
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Posted - 2010.10.04 22:21:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Tozmeister
What about cheap/easily available faction modules? being as you have unlimited implants and alts in T3.
if so, whats the price cap on a single module?
That's a great question. The point of the exercise was to give the other party no clue why they were getting roflstomped. As such, I'm happier with best named/T2 mods - but perhaps I should loosen up a bit on cheap cheap faction. I'll tell you what - if the faction mod is cheaper than a 1600 RT, you can use it. I guess that puts about a 5 mil upper limit on it?
Originally by: Marko Riva
no gang links or silly implants
Two things:
- I specifically said 5% hardwirings were allowed.
- I didn't discount gang links. There was a reason I called for EFT warriors.
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Get a gang linked Cyclone, that'll easily meet your required stats while still being cheap and fast.
Sure, I could do that... but it isn't what I want to do in the game.
-Liang
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Das Governator
The Republican Party
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Posted - 2010.10.04 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Das Governator on 04/10/2010 22:32:26
Doesn't have as much lolwhat? factor as the celestis, but I think this is really the fit you're looking for. I was using a medium ancillary for the PG to run ions when I realized you get more DPS and less PG use going with electrons and a t1 burst aerator, and better tracking to boot. Good thing for us EFT warriors to know.
I'm not on eve right now, but pretty sure the fit is under 15mil.
Stats: Normal/Sustained (Overheat/Sustained)
EHP: 17,647
Tank: 502/502 (613/624)
DPS: 533 (589) *158 is drones*
Speed: 493 (643)
Implants:
LG Slave Set w/out omega
PG4
AX-2 (optional for this contest)
ZGM1000
ZET4000
Akemon's Zet5000
Standard Exile
Legion running links.
[Thorax, 500]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
I might have ran into this before. I was dual boxing a vexor and a bomber once and engaged this thorax thinking it'd be a quick kill. I was so surprised to see him rep both my toons dmg with no issue and take out my vexor. I warped my bomber off, quite stunned.
You can pimp this slightly by using faction medium reppers, and swap the PG implant for a ZET1000 and achieve about a 595(739) tank. This would of course destroy the cheap factor.
It's worth noting that the cargohold of a thorax will only hold 4 minutes worth of navy 800s. Including the one in the booster, that's just under four and a half minutes of cap.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.05 14:07:00 -
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It's worth noting that the cargohold of a thorax will only hold 4 minutes worth of navy 800s. Including the one in the booster, that's just under four and a half minutes of cap.
Yeah, that's a great thing to keep in mind. The implication there is that it'll be hard to kill a buffer tanked Drake - even disregarding the fact he has a web+scram to your scram and that he outdamages your reps a bit. Thank you for the reminder. It seems like I have a fun experiment ahead of me.
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SuperNova221
Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club
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Posted - 2010.10.05 17:02:00 -
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[Vexor Navy Issue, Beatles]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Ogre II x4
Not great for the requirements since it's drone based and faction, but with 5% implants, ganglink Legion and exile it gets 721 tank and 645 DPS. More than I expected.
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