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Astenion Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:06:00 - [31] They probably realized there wouldn't be anyone patting them on the back or calling them heroes for doing their jobs and posing for photo ops, so they just let it burn.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Intense Thinker That's like trying to make an insurance claim when you don't have any insurance on your car... should've paid the fire protection fee. Once again someone has to learn the hard way, and once again the forum asshat has to Not really the same, then you try to fraud someone after the fact when the damage is done, here some damage could've been prevented. The message that the fire department would stand idle by and watch your home burn if you didn't pay could've been sent more subtle, I doubt it ever was. Originally by: OP article Gene Cranick, owner of the now-gutted house in Obion County, says he called 911 and offered to pay whatever it would take to get the firefighters to act, but they said they wouldn't do anything, WPSD reports. Like calling the insurance company after you've had the accident to get coverage for the accident Again not really the same, what if the fire had spread and gone wild, killing people and burning down other property, would he then be held liable too? I'm glad we're not there yet. Delenda est achura.
illford baker STK Scientific IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Wendat Huron Again not really the same, what if the fire had spread and gone wild, killing people and burning down other property, would he then be held liable too? I'm glad we're not there yet. thats why the firefighters were there to watch it, to make sure it did not spread.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:35:00 - [34] Originally by: illford baker Originally by: Wendat Huron Again not really the same, what if the fire had spread and gone wild, killing people and burning down other property, would he then be held liable too? I'm glad we're not there yet. thats why the firefighters were there to watch it, to make sure it did not spread. The article said that they did intervene to protect the property of a neighbor who did pay he fee, so it wasn't a waste of time for them.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:50:00 - [35] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 06/10/2010 02:51:25 Like I said, so happy I don't live in the states. Like many other places, great nature, terrible people. Delenda est achura.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.06 02:57:00 - [36] You know what would be a great compromise. Regular fire service: $75. You pay that every month and you call and the fire truck comes. If you don't pay the $75 and you call and the fire truck comes, But 2-3 business days later they send you a bill for $7500. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Sergeant Spot Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.06 04:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Intense Thinker That's like trying to make an insurance claim when you don't have any insurance on your car... should've paid the fire protection fee. Once again someone has to learn the hard way, and once again the forum asshat has to Not really the same, then you try to fraud someone after the fact when the damage is done, here some damage could've been prevented. The message that the fire department would stand idle by and watch your home burn if you didn't pay could've been sent more subtle, I doubt it ever was. Originally by: OP article Gene Cranick, owner of the now-gutted house in Obion County, says he called 911 and offered to pay whatever it would take to get the firefighters to act, but they said they wouldn't do anything, WPSD reports. Like calling the insurance company after you've had the accident to get coverage for the accident Again not really the same, what if the fire had spread and gone wild, killing people and burning down other property, would he then be held liable too? I'm glad we're not there yet. The fire DID SPREAD. The Fire Dept put out the spreading fire. They just did not put out the house. And if someone had been 'IN' the house, they would have gone in and rescued them. But once the rescue was complete, they'd have stopped all fire fighting on the house. Although I am not a First Responder, I've spent the last 15 years working in Emergency Services. You can take what I've said as more than just "opinion". As was well stated above "Like calling the insurance company after you've had the accident to get coverage for the accident" Play nice while you butcher each other.
illford baker STK Scientific IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.06 04:27:00 - [38] just because its not what we are use to does not mean that it is wrong, the public could have rage for people dodging taxes but still getting the benefits, this method does prevent that from happening. perhapses the town can't afford emergency services without the fee, this would provide good incentive for people to pay. i am just looking at this thing from all angles.
Orothose	Posted - 2010.10.06 05:03:00 - [39] The county doesn't have a fire fighting service. Services aren't free. The county pays someone else to come in and provide services. If people do not pay the fee that has been in place for 20 years, they don't get the service. Granted, they should probably put it out anyway, and fine them instead. Don't pay the $75, then you pay $500 for "stealing fire fighting services". Or just let it burn down.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.06 05:06:00 - [40] Originally by: illford baker just because its not what we are use to does not mean that it is wrong, the public could have rage for people dodging taxes but still getting the benefits, this method does prevent that from happening. perhapses the town can't afford emergency services without the fee, this would provide good incentive for people to pay. i am just looking at this thing from all angles. Then just fine them! Two dog and a cat burned to death because of it. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.06 05:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Culmen Two dog and a cat burned to death because of it. and they tasted really good Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.06 05:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Culmen Two dog and a cat burned to death because of it. and they tasted really good No they didn't Dog meat is a very delicate meat, over cooking it absolutely ruins the flavor. Cat meat too. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.06 06:02:00 - [43] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Culmen Two dog and a cat burned to death because of it. and they tasted really good No they didn't Dog meat is a very delicate meat, over cooking it absolutely ruins the flavor. Cat meat too. Hey, you not allowed to troll the troll Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.06 07:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Noun Verber Originally by: illford baker Originally by: Wendat Huron Again not really the same, what if the fire had spread and gone wild, killing people and burning down other property, would he then be held liable too? I'm glad we're not there yet. thats why the firefighters were there to watch it, to make sure it did not spread. The article said that they did intervene to protect the property of a neighbor who did pay he fee, so it wasn't a waste of time for them. But one got to question... what thought do they have for their common men, their own towns people? When you got the means to save a man and his families house, and yet you don',t because some some "fee" that was not paied? What I find really disturbing is that peole are thinking about profit so much they will almost literary walk over dead bodies to get money. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.10.06 07:47:00 - [45] Why the hell didn't they put the fire out and then worry about the cost after? Doesn't your morel responsibility override any thoughts of cost when you enter that profession? This really is a whole new level of dumb. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.06 08:04:00 - [46] Why do Americans put up with this crap?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.10.06 08:41:00 - [47] This is just the epitome of stupid. The guy said he agreed to any fees as long as they just put out the fire. So put out the fire and charge the expences to the guy. I'm sure he would have paid reasonable expences to save his property and you can sue his ass if he didn't. That would still get the fire department their money, make an example for the people who don't pay the fire protection fee and be the decent and sensible thing to do in such situation.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.06 11:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue This is just the epitome of stupid. The guy said he agreed to any fees as long as they just put out the fire. So put out the fire and charge the expences to the guy. I'm sure he would have paid reasonable expences to save his property and you can sue his ass if he didn't. That would still get the fire department their money, make an example for the people who don't pay the fire protection fee and be the decent and sensible thing to do in such situation. Unfortunately common sense is a rare trait in todays world. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.10.06 11:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 06/10/2010 02:51:25 Like I said, so happy I don't live in the states. Like many other places, great nature, terrible people. Aww, isn't that high minded of you? Slagging 310 million people because of a news story you read about a small town in Tennessee. How cultured and high-minded of you. click here
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.10.06 11:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Riedle Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 06/10/2010 02:51:25 Like I said, so happy I don't live in the states. Like many other places, great nature, terrible people. Aww, isn't that high minded of you? Slagging 310 million people because of a news story you read about a small town in Tennessee. How cultured and high-minded of you. How touchy of you, key words in the second sentence, I've yet to find another place where I'd want to live because of the culture there. That being said racketeering seem to be the american way. Delenda est achura.
Astenion Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation	Posted - 2010.10.06 11:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Riedle Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 06/10/2010 02:51:25 Like I said, so happy I don't live in the states. Like many other places, great nature, terrible people. Aww, isn't that high minded of you? Slagging 310 million people because of a news story you read about a small town in Tennessee. How cultured and high-minded of you. How touchy of you, key words in the second sentence, I've yet to find another place where I'd want to live because of the culture there. That being said racketeering seem to be the american way. It's true. The problem in the US is its people; not saying that everyone is like that or to broadbrush everyone, but a good majority of Americans are selfish, greedy, spiteful people when it comes to them having to do something for someone else without getting anything in return. It's every man for himself and screw the next guy if it helps you get on top.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.10.06 11:56:00 - [52] Quote: I'm not a bigot but here is another bigoted thing that I think. cool, thanks click here
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.10.06 11:59:00 - [53] Quote: It's true. The problem in the US is its people; not saying that everyone is like that or to broadbrush everyone, but a good majority of Americans are selfish, greedy, spiteful people when it comes to them having to do something for someone else without getting anything in return. It's every man for himself and screw the next guy if it helps you get on top. Would your opinion change if this wasn't true? Because it isn't. Americans give more to charity, money-wise, than any other country on earth. And you know what? It's not the government doing it like in Europe that people have no say in. The American PEOPLE give more to charity at home and for abroad than any other government on earth. Americans are the most financially charitable people in the world. There are stats to back this up. Oh yeah, well that's because Americans have more money right? Wrong. Americans also volunteertheir time to charity more than any other people on earth. And one more thing - I'm a Canuck - I'm just a stickler for facts - not stereotypes. click here
Astenion Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation	Posted - 2010.10.06 12:14:00 - [54] Edited by: Astenion on 06/10/2010 12:19:11 Edited by: Astenion on 06/10/2010 12:15:23 Originally by: Riedle Quote: It's true. The problem in the US is its people; not saying that everyone is like that or to broadbrush everyone, but a good majority of Americans are selfish, greedy, spiteful people when it comes to them having to do something for someone else without getting anything in return. It's every man for himself and screw the next guy if it helps you get on top. Would your opinion change if this wasn't true? Because it isn't. Americans give more to charity, money-wise, than any other country on earth. And you know what? It's not the government doing it like in Europe that people have no say in. The American PEOPLE give more to charity at home and for abroad than any other government on earth. Americans are the most financially charitable people in the world. There are stats to back this up. Oh yeah, well that's because Americans have more money right? Wrong. Americans also volunteertheir time to charity more than any other people on earth. And one more thing - I'm a Canuck - I'm just a stickler for facts - not stereotypes. Well, I'm an American and I'm just a stickler for having lived there most of my life. I'm not talking about charities and the giving of money to organizations. I'm talking about the fact that in the US, many people would rather you die than be forced to pay a little more in taxes so you could have quality health care. Many Americans have a "me" mentality because we're afraid of being affected. It's not individuals I'm talking about, but more a society as a whole. Americans as individuals are some of the most gracious and humble human beings you'll ever meet; they just don't like the idea of "the common good", and if they do like such an idea, they don't want to be forced to pay for it.
Sral TBear Shipwreck Island	Posted - 2010.10.06 12:19:00 - [55] In socialistDenmark this would not happen...... 75$.... geeez..... Some times im glad i didnt take that job back in 93...and just stayed home...
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.06 12:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 06/10/2010 12:15:23 Originally by: Riedle Quote: It's true. The problem in the US is its people; not saying that everyone is like that or to broadbrush everyone, but a good majority of Americans are selfish, greedy, spiteful people when it comes to them having to do something for someone else without getting anything in return. It's every man for himself and screw the next guy if it helps you get on top. Would your opinion change if this wasn't true? Because it isn't. Americans give more to charity, money-wise, than any other country on earth. And you know what? It's not the government doing it like in Europe that people have no say in. The American PEOPLE give more to charity at home and for abroad than any other government on earth. Americans are the most financially charitable people in the world. There are stats to back this up. Oh yeah, well that's because Americans have more money right? Wrong. Americans also volunteertheir time to charity more than any other people on earth. And one more thing - I'm a Canuck - I'm just a stickler for facts - not stereotypes. Well, I'm an American and I'm just a stickler for having lived there half my life. I'm not talking about charities and the giving of money to organizations. I'm talking about the fact that in the US, many people would rather you die than be forced to pay a little more in taxes so you could have quality health care. Many Americans have a "me" mentality because we're afraid of being affected. It's not individuals I'm talking about, but more a society as a whole. Americans as individuals are some of the most gracious and humble human beings you'll ever meet; they just don't like the idea of "the common good", and if they do like such an idea, they don't want to be forced to pay for it. First off, yes I live in EU, but I know several americans. Generally the people themself is ok, but the system and society as a whole is what is failing. I am not preaching that we in EU are much better, we are failing here as well, just not as fast due to the more socailist (not a bad thing) nature here. And its not even just US and EU, but the world at large that has a problem. In US is just more distinct and open, since US has been the biggest actor in the capitalistic world. In a world obsessed with profit and consumption, you can not have a good scoiety, you will get social differences, you will have poor people, you will get wars, you will get people shafting each ohters for monetary gains, you will get mistrust and paranoia and ltos fo other bad things. Like this case in this thread. What we need is more education and a more people-centric system. That is why we got govermnt in the first place right? From the people for the people? When goverment stops being part of us and is seen as a separate entitiy doing things for its own ends, that goverement is not useful to us anymore and needs to be replaced. I mean, US is spending billions on wars, yet it does not provide free fire service for its own country? Does not provide free education and heatlcare for all thoose who need it? But chooses to make lots of weapons and send soldiers around the world fighitng for no real reason? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Astenion Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation	Posted - 2010.10.06 12:28:00 - [57] My name is Astenion, and I approve of this message.
fairimear Gallente BURN EDEN Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.10.06 12:29:00 - [58] People get sent to prison in my country for cruelty to Animals. leaving animals in a house to brun becasue some 1 does not pay $75 tax is horrific and they should all be prosicuted for it. Screw the man and his possesions but ever effort should be made to save a animals life. Our local firebrigade who are all volineters btw have put there own lifes at risk to save pets. so this is sick really. *Bringing a type of class to PL.*
Sral TBear Shipwreck Island	Posted - 2010.10.06 12:41:00 - [59] Originally by: fairimear People get sent to prison in my country for cruelty to Animals. leaving animals in a house to brun becasue some 1 does not pay $75 tax is horrific and they should all be prosicuted for it. Screw the man and his possesions but ever effort should be made to save a animals life. Our local firebrigade who are all volineters btw have put there own lifes at risk to save pets. so this is sick really. Just talked to a Danish fireman...showed him this....he exploded reading this story....hes now down at the gym beating the hell out of a punch bag....talking the rest of the guys at the station...holy crap they are mad.....
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.10.06 12:42:00 - [60] Quote: Well, I'm an American and I'm just a stickler for having lived there most of my life. I'm not talking about charities and the giving of money to organizations. Oh, I see. So it's not about people, normal people, citizens freely giving their time and money to charity and helping their common man that you care about. Quote: I'm talking about the fact that in the US, many people would rather you die than be forced to pay a little more in taxes so you could have quality health care. Got it. So you are into the forced reallocation of charity. The USA does have quality health care. As a Canadian I know this first hand. Sick people from Canada go to the USA for health treatment not the other way around. I think you are really talking about problems with health insurance.. BTW, as you probably know, all healthcare in Canada is controlled by the government. Trust me, it's NOT better than the USA's system. Quote: Many Americans have a "me" mentality because we're afraid of being affected. It's not individuals I'm talking about, but more a society as a whole. This doesn't even make sense. Americans are selfish, but not individualy but collectively? lol Quote: Americans as individuals are some of the most gracious and humble human beings you'll ever meet; Yep, and there are stats to back it up. Quote: they just don't like the idea of "the common good", and if they do like such an idea, they don't want to be forced to pay for it. Now you are getting it. Americans want a better world they just disagree with the method of doing it. Sounds reasonable to me. click here

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