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Edge Horseman
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:48:00 -
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I am a noob
Ok now thats out the way, i started playing eve not really knowing what to expect.. I found mineing and tradeing a fun thing to do (mineing is more a social thing i dont love the stareing at my strip beam) So i was on the path to being a "bear" running scared between gates, then i got ganked and lost 100mill!!!
Time for revenge....
Started a new toon, started learning umm learning.. Followed by pvp and OMG wwhat was i doing running scared for, pvp is great fun!! who cares about lost isk.. ITS A GAME and great fun to..
Isk is there to fund pvp, what else is it good for? thats right... Nothing!
So from a noob to the veteran carebears, stop wasteing your time, jump in a rifter and go have some real fun!!
"Basic PvP avoidance"= Boreing, pointless and wrong on every level
And if your mission running in a 3bill cnr DONT fly what you cant afford to lose!
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.10.19 12:53:00 -
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Heh, another PvP troll.
Seems all you Gankbears are getting bent out of shape because some players are posting tips on how mission runners can be safer in low sec systems. Probably because instead of getting an easy kill mail from babysitting Jumpgates, will now have to do a little bit of work and actually 'Seek and Destroy' your intended victims.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.19 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Edge Horseman
Isk is there to fund pvp, what else is it good for? thats right... Nothing!
QFT I never quite get the people that play soley to accumulate monopoly money.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.19 13:27:00 -
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Excellent and amusing post by the OP, which I suspect is working as intended.
9/10
I will put in my own little tip: time spent in a T1 MWD frigate making bookmarks is rarely wasted.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Kwisatz Hadereach
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Posted - 2010.10.19 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Space Pinata Engaging in PVP is a risk; a controlled risk. ... Obviously, you assume you have a >50% chance of winning if you engage.
The funny thing is bears are taking much more risk than you are. Carebears die in missions all the time; when's the last time you heard of a gankbear dying to a passive drake?
And if you actually fought at 50% or even 60%, that would be one thing. But you don't. You fight at 95%+ or you run. I've seen untold hundreds of pvpers run from a 20 man gang when they have only 15, and most will avoid 15 when they have 20 unless they have an overwhelming ship advantage. But 20 on 1? That's most pvpers style. 1v1? Hell naw. And as they run half of them will be flaming bears on the forums for avoiding risk.
Originally by: Andrea Griffin By the way, the MWD/Cloak advice given above is incorrect. It will get you killed, and here is why:
No, its not. Its literally impossible to lock someone before they can recloak, and your method will result in more speed loss. Regardless, spend a few minutes practicing as a friend tries to lock you and you will get a sense for it.
Originally by: Edge Horseman
Isk is there to fund pvp, what else is it good for? thats right... Nothing!
Many people enjoy the crafting/trading/econ side of eve. More than pvp, actually, because every pvper pves but not every pveer pvps. Many bears think pvp is dull and pvpers are simply sociopaths.
And honestly, I can't blame them -- pvp is rarely determined by combat skill. Compared to many other games, the game mechanics simply don't reward skill nor do they make combat interesting. Its simply a gankbear circle jerk gankfest. In two years and ~1500 kills I can count the number of 10+v10+ equal fights I've had on one hand. People go out of their way to avoid interesting, skill based combat and then chest thump about how hard core they are. This is a freaking game, not the great patriotic war -- at the end of the day farming killmails is equally as pointless as farming LP, and holding sov to give yourself more bear rights is about as meritorious as owning an office in jita.
And you pvpers are on the whole farked up. You're the people who make wow nerds look like well adjusted studs. You're the people who think /b is funny instead of depraved. You're the people who are 9 times in 10 nerds finally reveling in a change to bully someone else. And I say this as a pvper
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.19 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach at the end of the day farming killmails is equally as pointless as farming LP
Very nicely put, especially the quote above.
It's ironic how these "PVP-ROCKS-PVEers-SUCK"-spouting idiots go about ridiculing carebears for farming missions and LP when they themselves spend their entire times collecting kills for a board. They critisize carebears for avoiding and minimizing risk when they do the exact same thing. And it burns them inside to know that some people actually enjoy something they can't. And that it is their sole duty to teach carebears what is fun and what isn't.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2010.10.19 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Missy Sasha if eve was singleplayer, i'd play that. but its not.
The X3 series is on sale atm @ steam
can I have your stuff?
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Mr Missions
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach at the end of the day farming killmails is equally as pointless as farming LP
Very nicely put, especially the quote above.
It's ironic how these "PVP-ROCKS-PVEers-SUCK"-spouting idiots go about ridiculing carebears for farming missions and LP when they themselves spend their entire times collecting kills for a board. They critisize carebears for avoiding and minimizing risk when they do the exact same thing. And it burns them inside to know that some people actually enjoy something they can't. And that it is their sole duty to teach carebears what is fun and what isn't.
This is 100% right. They are real life sociopaths who deserve prison sentences for their actions. This kind of griefing should warrant their removal from the game not a pat on the back. I have had 2 nervous breakdowns due to the loss of my ships while peacefully running missions and these gankbears come in and destroy all my hard work. Enough is enough, please help show your community support for my game solutions at MAKING EVE BETTER FOR EVERYONE
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Missions
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach at the end of the day farming killmails is equally as pointless as farming LP
Very nicely put, especially the quote above.
It's ironic how these "PVP-ROCKS-PVEers-SUCK"-spouting idiots go about ridiculing carebears for farming missions and LP when they themselves spend their entire times collecting kills for a board. They critisize carebears for avoiding and minimizing risk when they do the exact same thing. And it burns them inside to know that some people actually enjoy something they can't. And that it is their sole duty to teach carebears what is fun and what isn't.
This is 100% right. They are real life sociopaths who deserve prison sentences for their actions. This kind of griefing should warrant their removal from the game not a pat on the back. I have had 2 nervous breakdowns due to the loss of my ships while peacefully running missions and these gankbears come in and destroy all my hard work. Enough is enough, please help show your community support for my game solutions at MAKING EVE BETTER FOR EVERYONE
You're trying too hard, Mr. Hardcore PVPer.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Mr Missions
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Mr Missions
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Kwisatz Hadereach at the end of the day farming killmails is equally as pointless as farming LP
Very nicely put, especially the quote above.
It's ironic how these "PVP-ROCKS-PVEers-SUCK"-spouting idiots go about ridiculing carebears for farming missions and LP when they themselves spend their entire times collecting kills for a board. They critisize carebears for avoiding and minimizing risk when they do the exact same thing. And it burns them inside to know that some people actually enjoy something they can't. And that it is their sole duty to teach carebears what is fun and what isn't.
This is 100% right. They are real life sociopaths who deserve prison sentences for their actions. This kind of griefing should warrant their removal from the game not a pat on the back. I have had 2 nervous breakdowns due to the loss of my ships while peacefully running missions and these gankbears come in and destroy all my hard work. Enough is enough, please help show your community support for my game solutions at MAKING EVE BETTER FOR EVERYONE
You're trying too hard, Mr. Hardcore PVPer.
Nice try trolling me. Your name is put on the griefer wall of shame now.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:25:00 -
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I have to admit, I chuckled .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 19/10/2010 17:29:02
Originally by: Mr Missions They are real life sociopaths who deserve prison sentences for their actions.
Yes there is. What does that have to do with the topic at hand, though?
Quote: This kind of griefing should warrant their removal from the game not a pat on the back.
LMAO.
Quote: I have had 2 nervous breakdowns due to the loss of my ships
LMAO
Quote: while peacefully running missions and these gankbears come in and destroy all my hard work.
LMAO
Quote: Enough is enough, please help show your community support for my game solutions at MAKING EVE BETTER FOR EVERYONE
LMAO
Dammit. You owe me four ass transplants for that! Evil real-life griefer. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.19 18:29:00 -
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Quote: I have had 2 nervous breakdowns due to the loss of my ships while peacefully running missions and these gankbears come in and destroy all my hard work.
9/10 for that one lol.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.10.20 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia More Bull Sh*t from another PvP Troll
Really?
I've noticed that all of your replies to PvE threads posted in this Forum section are always sarcastic Anti-PvE. Looks like you've trained the skill 'Forum Griefing' to level 5.
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Mr Missions
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Posted - 2010.10.20 17:30:00 -
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This is pure nonsense as I just got ganked again running a L4 and MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS. Battleships warp to my mission WITHOUT MY PERMISSION and blow me up and i cannot do anything about it!! CCP WAKE UP THEY ARE RUINING THE GAME AND RUINING PEOPLES REAL LIVES.
I forgot insurance too so now im stuck in a cruiser to get my money back while these gankbear criminals roam free. THEY NEED TO FACE REAL LIFE PRISON TIME FOR INFLICTING HEALTH ISSUES AND STRESS ON PEOPLE.
This is outrageous and nothing to stop it from happening. What kind of society do we live in these days??
I BEG you ccp please fix this game for honorable people.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.10.21 11:11:00 -
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Mr Missions, sorry to hear that.
Don't bother posting that information here in this Forum section, it only attracts Greifer Trolls. Check the Forum section 'Assembly Hall' for any threads posted about the same situation, can then add to them as well as vote.
Look for a level 4 Agent located deep in the middle of High Security space at least 1/2 dozen jumps or more from Low Security Systems and do missions there. Should then have most missions in High Security systems.
If someone scans down your mission site and enters it, lead the NPC's over by them and warp out. Then warp back to mission area. NPC's will probable have chased the Mission invader away or killed him.
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Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow
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Posted - 2010.10.21 11:40:00 -
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I had a Rattlesnake pilot join me in my mission DS last week.
True story.
I was missioning in one of the busier systems (but still not a hub like Dods or Mots) and the mission was the assault I think, with all the sensor dampening joy the Serpentis brings.
Rattlesnake warps in, starts killing rats.
He kills rats. I kill rats.
I finish mission quicker.
We both leave.
He didn't say a word to me, my mysterious benefactor, nor I to him. Something I regret now, because I felt something as the twin forces of our mighty vessels laid waste to the incoming fleet. A sensed that something more potent than the lure of ISK had brought us together in the vastness of space, but the enormity of the moment clearly left us at a loss for words.
But I'll never forget them, whatever their name was.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.21 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Really?
Yes. Have you checked his other thread ù the one he linked to? If you can't spot the troll there (or for that matter in the post he followed up with) you have some learning to do.
You want sarcastic anti-PvE? Look no further than Mr Missions.
I just happen to find his blatant trolling hilarious. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.10.21 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 21/10/2010 13:26:20
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Really?
Yes. Have you checked his other thread ù the one he linked to? If you can't spot the troll there (or for that matter in the post he followed up with) you have some learning to do.
You want sarcastic anti-PvE? Look no further than Mr Missions.
I just happen to find his blatant trolling hilarious.
#1 rule - Don't feed the trolls.
Guess I'm gonna break that rule now.
As for me having some learning to do? Come on, do you really wanna get into another Pis*ing contest again?
Actually, we (You and I) along with a few others have already had heated discussions on the game mechanics about High, Low and 0.0 security systems and being able to fire at players, etc, in a few other posted threads.
I don't particularly feel like getting back into this topic again and I'm sure you'll remember what I'm talking about. I know what the current game mechanics are so no need to state them.
However, I do believe that a players mission area should be locked out to other players except Fleet members. And Gate Ganking in High Security Systems should not be allowed to happen at all. On that note I also believe that doing PvP at High Security stations should also not be allowed to happen unless it's a Player Corporation war target.
I understand what Mr Missions is talking about and even though I believe he's over-reacting a bit to a bad situation (And probably making it worse), I still have to agree that the Game Mechanics that I stated above (as well as other ones) are somewhat unbalanced and need to be looked at and changed.
As I said before, I don't feel like going back and forth about this topic again. I'm sure there will be others trying to flame troll me now.
*DeMichael Crimson puts on a Flame Proof Suit, climbs into his Covert Ops Ship and disappears.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.21 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 21/10/2010 13:41:31
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson However, I do believe that a players mission area should be locked out to other players except Fleet members.
In spite of it breaking the game mechanics in several ways?
Quote: And Gate Ganking in High Security Systems should not be allowed to happen at all.
In spite of it being very bad for the high-sec economy?
Quote: On that note I also believe that doing PvP at High Security stations should also not be allowed to happen unless it's a Player Corporation war target.
In spite of it killing strategic interdiction dead?
ànot to mention that all of these suggestion go 100% against the very fabric and fibre of an open-world sandbox game. They kill what makes EVE EVE. Why would this be a good thing?
Quote: I understand what Mr Missions is talking about and even though I believe he's over-reacting a bit to a bad situation
A bit? The (wo)man expresses no ability to distinguish between fantasy and reality and a complete lack of understanding of the fundamental concepts of EVE. He takes the "onoz, petty the poor highsec soloist" ball and runs with it to such an extreme that, I cannot believe for a second that he is serious in the slightest, because if he in, he needs professional help. As in, right now, before he hurts himself or the people around him (which is ironic, really, since that's what he believes others are doingà we'd have to chalk that up as some kind of "projection", I suppose). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow
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Posted - 2010.10.21 14:08:00 -
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At the risk of retstating what Tippia just said..........aw hell, I'm going to do it anyway.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson However, I do believe that a players mission area should be locked out to other players except Fleet members.
No, this removes the non-consensual PvP side of EvE, which is at the core of the game.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson And Gate Ganking in High Security Systems should not be allowed to happen at all.
No. See above. Fit and fly accordingly. If you HTFU this is less likely to happen to you. If you GTFO out of systems where ganking occurs, you'll also find yourself less likely to be targetted.
Anything to the contrary is very much of the "having cake and eating it" school of argument.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson On that note I also believe that doing PvP at High Security stations should also not be allowed to happen unless it's a Player Corporation war target.
No, this removes non consensual PvP.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.10.21 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 21/10/2010 14:57:29 This thread has now gone completely off topic. As for the comments/replies the 2 of you stated, .
Keep thinking that.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Keep thinking that.
Until anyone provides any kind of reasoning or proof otherwiseà
àyes, I think I will. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Mercenar
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Posted - 2010.10.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson As for the comments/replies the 2 of you stated, .
Keep thinking that.
Non-consensual PvP is supposed to form the core of EvE as a sandbox game, so it is rather foolish (and shows a lack of understanding about the game) to propose modifications to the game that remove the possibility of non-consensual PvP.
That the gankbears are dictating the terms of the engagement is not, in and of itself, any kind of broken mechanic. No more so than carebears being able to mitigate against the risks of such engagements by taking all sensible precautions. That is what sandbox gaming is supposed to be about.
Personally I feel slightly silly taking the same precautions in hi-sec that I have taken in low sec and 0.0, but I figure better safe than sorry. Certainly better safe than complaining on the forums.
That gankbears may use alt accounts to minimise the repercussions for their actions is somewhat broken, but a regretable side effect of the use of alt accounts in this MMO (a problem far from unique to EvE).
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.10.21 15:35:00 -
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Moved from 'Missions & Complexes', offtopic and inappropriate posts removed. Please try to keep the discussion civil.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Hardreign
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hardreign on 21/10/2010 20:34:34 This guide should extrapolate a little on ninja salvaging, how to avoid it and perhaps a description of how aggression mechanics work. Ninja's often use remote repair, extension of aggro and unique assets like Orca to provide ganglinks and a private dock for their combat ships.
Additionally their favoured ship classes (Vigil) could be outlined and a short note on their tactics surrounding ship scanning. How they identify a bears damage vulnerabilities and stack their damage types against it.
Learning to identify Ninja (and the action of actually watching local chat) could also be described in some detail. If there are 100 mission runners in Emolgranlan and only one Ninja, your chances of being Ninja'd are low ... unless you are in a faction battleship.
In which case you'd best just slip a t-shirt on that reads 'Yoink me.'
All of this (in greater detail) would be extremely useful for the average mission bear. There are loads of brilliant guides for Ninja's as to how to scan down mission runners, remote repair to share aggro, and so on ... bears should have a similar support structure.
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Elyham
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.10.21 23:44:00 -
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"The Bears Guide to Avoiding PVP"
PVP meaning Player vs Player (as most bears define it as Player vs Plagioclase)
1. Do not undock 2. See #1
You have now successfully avoided PVP, there is zero chance it will happen to you. Enjoy the game.
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Kwisatz Hadereach
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Posted - 2010.10.22 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hardreign Edited by: Hardreign on 21/10/2010 20:34:34 This guide should extrapolate a little on ninja salvaging, how to avoid it and perhaps a description of how aggression mechanics work. Ninja's often use remote repair, extension of aggro and unique assets like Orca to provide ganglinks and a private dock for their combat ships.
Additionally their favoured ship classes (Vigil) could be outlined and a short note on their tactics surrounding ship scanning. How they identify a bears damage vulnerabilities and stack their damage types against it.
Learning to identify Ninja (and the action of actually watching local chat) could also be described in some detail. If there are 100 mission runners in Emolgranlan and only one Ninja, your chances of being Ninja'd are low ... unless you are in a faction battleship.
In which case you'd best just slip a t-shirt on that reads 'Yoink me.'
All of this (in greater detail) would be extremely useful for the average mission bear. There are loads of brilliant guides for Ninja's as to how to scan down mission runners, remote repair to share aggro, and so on ... bears should have a similar support structure.
How to Avoid Ninjas:
1. Don't mission in Motsu. 2. In the unlikely event someone probes you down, abandon all wrecks.
Ninjas just aren't an issue.
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.22 03:07:00 -
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Gankbears do provide fun fights sometimes, belive it or not. A while back I was trying canflipping for the first time in my little 2009 rifter, when a 2003 Tristan from a local griefer corp came and flipped my can (which I had flipped from the miner.) Being eager to get a fight from anyone (after flipping around for a few hours,) I engaged him, and after a short fight, emerged victorious with 15% hull
I'll always remember it as one of the experiences which taught me how fun and riveting PVP can be. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Dian Rasd
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.22 07:33:00 -
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i think most problems the so called carebears face stem from highsec itself. living there makes you lazy.
i encourage everyone to live in low or null for a week. you will find yourself looking at the other guys in local, checking out their corp etc. then you go back to high and you will go **** 30 guys in local! you will remember where you are and that they cant touch you if you dont screw up and you will find yourself getting lazy and unaware of your surroundings again... just remember that nearly every guy you see in high would still screw you over if given the chance. or in the case of market pvp he allready does.
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