CCP Ytterbium: GÇ¥Something I really don't like in Factional Warfare, is just the capital hot drop. To me it has nothing to do with what Factional Warfare is supposed to do.GÇ¥

Completely disagree, capital ships as a force multiplier or used as escalation is an integral part of FW.
The opinion that Faction Warfare has to be cheap and lopsided is a bit shortsighted.

I should be allowed to excel and use every ship and mechanic possible to reach my goals or for my own enjoyment as part of FW. Don't force me to fly merlins and hurricanes when I want to fly a bhaalgorn with Triage support.

We already have Plex combat with limits on what ships can enter and cynos can't be lit inside the deadspace, so if people want to fight away from the hotdrop they can fight inside/on the plex.

Big battleship brawls with several Triage caps and dreads dropped to counter them is some of the most exciting engagements players experience in FW, don't take that away from us.

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On a related note, the Cyno-jammer, if brought to FW it should be a destroyable entity and not a part of a systems upgrade in the ihub. For example, the Minmatar Militia own a system and a big fight is brewing. They make the right call and bring in their caps and activate the cyno jammer. In order for the Amarr fleet to compete with the superior Minmatar forces, destruction of the cyno-jammer is paramount to counter the enemy caps.

Just my humble opinion from reading some of the CSM Summit minutes.

- Cap

Edit: for typos.

Completely disagree, capital ships as a force multiplier or used as escalation is an integral part of FW.
The opinion that Faction Warfare has to be cheap and lopsided is a bit shortsighted.

I should be allowed to excel and use every ship and mechanic possible to reach my goals or for my own enjoyment as part of FW. Don't force me to fly merlins and hurricanes when I want to fly a bhaalgorn with Triage support.

We already have Plex combat with limits on what ships can enter and cynos can't be lit inside the deadspace, so if people want to fight away from the hotdrop they can fight inside/on the plex.

Big battleship brawls with several Triage caps and dreads dropped to counter them is some of the most exciting engagements players experience in FW, don't take that away from us.

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On a related note, the Cyno-jammer, if brought to FW it should be a destroyable entity and not a part of a systems upgrade in the ihub. For example, the Minmatar Militia own a system and a big fight is brewing. They make the right call and bring in their caps and activate the cyno jammer. In order for the Amarr fleet to compete with the superior Minmatar forces, destruction of the cyno-jammer is paramount to counter the enemy caps.

Just my humble opinion from reading some of the CSM Summit minutes.

- Cap

Edit: for typos.

Actually I think Ytterbium is 100% spot on. It's clear from gate restrictions and the relatively small (for a structure) amount of HP IHubs have that FW is meant to be conducted by smaller groups who don't necessarily have the infrastructure or capital to field blobs of Titans and Dreadnaughts.

It sounds like you would have more fun in a NullSec group than you would in Factional Warfare, TBQH with you about it.

On the Cyno Jammer Idea:

What if this was some sort of SBU-like module anchorable on grid with the system's I-HUB, bought from the LP store. Only one would be anchorable at any given time and once online, it would last maybe an hour or 30 minutes or something with a single time use. It would have a certain amount of EHP and could be attacked by the enemy militia (or maybe any party?) without entering any kind of RF. Maybe it would also be able to receive Remote Repair?

Idk, just throwing thoughts out there.

Nullsec doesn't interest me at all, except for the occasional roam/gank. My place is in FW, I've been a part of it since '10 and have no inclination to leave, it's my favourite part of the game and my playstyle should not be limited just because "Caps belong in nullsec". That's a ****** reason, you see caps fighting in lowsec/wormhole space all the time. Some of the coolest content provided by Rooks and Kings happens in lowsec quite a bit.

FW being primarily a lowsec venture, and with capital engagement being a big thing in lowsec, why should FW be any different?

Yeah why should your playstyle be limited by the choices you make. That sounds like "consequences" and that's just not what EVE is about, amirite?

I completely agree with Yttr, hot drops in FW are ghey. However, am having a hard time not wanting to drop dreads on bunkers. We've got to take another 45+ of these things and without dreads it is a soul sucking experience. 1.2k LP for my sanity (40k LP shared among fleet members)? Way too low. Moar bunker LP!

Lowsec bubbles are a terrible idea. Do not want.

I think the idea of militia cynojammers being a one-shot/limited duration thing is a good idea. Or make it so they only block supercapitals and titan bridges. Or something.

I've noticed you're something of an excellent frigate pilot, preferring small scale combat.

I think that's fantastic and a part of FW and the hotdrop doesn't affect you much.

However removing caps from FW would be for me the same as removing all frigate combat from FW to you. Horrible and not very fun. Edit: typo

Your "consequence" would have my rather fly stabbed merlins and rifters instead of expensive ships engaging in interesting combat that brings a lot of players in FW together in one big brawl.

But I guess you're so used to your rifters you can't comprehend anything beyond them.

You've presented a false dichotomy my friend. We have more choices than "YAY CAPITAL BLOB" and "Frigate Fleet". There's a whole range of possibilities in-between.

I fly Firetails and the occasional Wolf. I'm in the process of training up Hybrid Turrets so I can start flying Merlins and perhaps Harpies, although I am excited to start training my missile skills once I get Turret Control: Elite.

You've presented a false dichotomy my friend. We have more choices than "YAY CAPITAL BLOB" and "Frigate Fleet". There's a whole range of possibilities in-between.

I fly Firetails and the occasional Wolf. I'm in the process of training up Hybrid Turrets so I can start flying Merlins and perhaps Harpies, although I am excited to start training my missile skills once I get Turret Control: Elite.

Your firetale or wolf has little to worry about when the caps start comming out. Why are you even in this discussion if thats all you fly?

Fair point, I might've been overly eager in my reply.

However my point still stands, limiting FW to only subcaps is just a terrible handicap. I mean we live in lowsec for crying out loud, this isn't RvB. What am I supposed to do when I see a pirate cap fleet deploy in my surrounding area? Go whine on the forums about it or actually get to drop a few dreads and Faction BS with Triage support on them and show'em who's boss!

To summarize: FW is many things. It's frigate combat and elusive 1v1 battles ranging to cruiser and bc brawls inside plexes to the bigger BS fights with caps when things get more serious.

Don't force FW pilots to become handicapped because "hotdrop is bad", there are ways around the hotdrop and even still, you're flying in lowsec ... the hotdrop is always a threat, be it from FW corps, Pirate corps or nullsec groups.

[quote=Capitol One][quote=Xuixien][quote=Capitol One]

Yeah why should your playstyle be limited by the choices you make. That sounds like "consequences" and that's just not what EVE is about, amirite?

I'm not trying to say "NO CAPS EVER", and the cynojammer seems like a good compensation. But the last thing I want to see is FW to become some big blobby capital fight where only capitals become relevant. If big blobby capital fleets is what you're looking for, again, there are already systems in place for that.

No instead Eve should become something CCP tells us exactly how to play. Its not REALLY a sandbox after all is it?

Also, Xuixien, you're a funny man. "Yes, dont' allow capitals in FW". Instead of being silly and trying to meta-game here, go into your plex and orbit your button, we can, by mechanics, not touch you in there with any capitals.

Capitals are and have been huge force multipliers if properly used for quite some time and are in no way a deciding factor in the actual plex mechanics - I mean if your thrasher hordes plex our systems down we can't even rep our ihubs with caps. So seriously go get your rifter and go orbit buttons.

Capitals need to stay in all of lowsec or need to be removed in all of lowsec regardless of FW because if they don't then all halfway mature FW groups are going to drop out in order to fight other lowsec nonFW entities which lets not forget exist in FW lowsec and in lowsec in general as well.

Don't dictate what we're generally allowed to fly because that will simply not go well.

Its called plexes, stay in them. And yes capital fleets have their places - one of those places is lowsec.

Sure.

Then let me anchor a cynojammer to block you out.

Sandbox and all.

Hey guys, my name is FIRST GENERAL, all in caps because not only am I a GENERAL, but I'm the FIRST general. I'm THE MAN.

Why do you need a cynojammer to keep me out of your plex?

Also if its in your system - then no problem - i'll come offline it with a minmatar alt.

I'm not ISD, but please stay on topic. The less insults and more content we provide the better :)