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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2010.10.11 19:45:00 -
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Whole thing is real simple, as some other posters have already pointed out, for the home user, it mostly depends on how much RAM you wish to address. 32bit systems are limited. With the emphasis on RAM use by all kinds of software on the rise, especially in games, it is advisable to go 64bit. If you do alot of things at once (multiple EVE accounts?), then there is another reason to have a lot of RAM. If you are building a new PC, you will want to have 4+ GB of RAM, and the possibility to expand that later on, both for current software and futureproofing. 32bit software cannot address that much memory.
As for 64bit versions being more sensitive to 'computer trouble' - yes, when you are going for a new architecture you might run into problems using old software or hardware. Using a lot of old stuff is the one reason to consider a 32bit system at this time, especially old hardware, as modern drivers can be a problem.
To close, pay little attention to those citing their own computer woes as reasons to do the one or the other. People's personal experience is usually a very bad thing to base these choices on. If you do, however, then I can share with you that I am having ZERO problems using windows 7 64bit since the beta release.
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.11 19:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: HeIIfire11
this is really not worth my time
and yet...you keep posting 
Are you the type of person that still uses Internet Explorer and thinks Java is "the leading and most useful coding language around"?
Because I post when I want,where I want and what I want.Just because I say Im done with one troll doesnt mean I wont take time for another.
As far as what I use..is your life so lame that you care what I use?Is it on topic?But..but..no.
gtfo..your not even fun to troll.
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Elysarian
Minmatar
Elysarian Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Ascendic
Why are you still here I thought it wasnt worth your time?
I think its more like....
Umad?
Yes Im really mad because some nobody is talking smak in the eve forumNo..but I admit sometimes I cant resist the temptation of making some muppet tear up his keyboard
Originally by: Stick Cult
And yet the only thing you've been doing in this thread is claiming "NO YOU'RE ALL WRONG, I'M RIGHT!"
Hypocrite, much?
I know your not the sharpest tool in the shed so Ill fill you in on what Ive been doin in this thread.
I stated my "opinion".I explained why thats my opinion,and that he should google it and see for himself.
Above all I stayed on topic and didnt say anyone was wrong.And I trolled a few wannabe trolls,which is always fun.And..I added you to my "buddy" list for being so damn cool. Maybe my main will be bored enough to come play with you some day
I googled what you told the other guy to google...
Got a real good laugh out of it as there were two results: one for this thread on the forum and one for the eve-searchversion  - and for the record I'm running Win7 x64, my fiancee is running Vista x64 and since Vista SP1 we've had exactly zero issues with compatibility (in fact some ancient games that refused to talk to XP work under Win7/Vista)
Back on topic:
It's rare to see a new PC with less than 3GB of memory preinstalled these days - I would personally recommend going for the 64-bit option myself especially if you're getting 4 or more Gigabytes in there and even more especially if you plan on running dual eve clients.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 11/10/2010 20:08:56
It is pretty clear you have to go 64bit.
Software compatibility is a non-issue, only drivers and software that talks directly to your hardware ( and thus need some sort of driver software ), may give problems.
However, if you buy a new computer that can not be a problem. If you want to be sure, check if you have any peripherals ( printer, scanner, etc ) that need a driver and check if there are 64bit win7 ( or vista 64bit will work too ) drivers.
Software that talks directly to your hardware is generally for things like overclocking, and there are alternatives for everything.
And yes, 16 bit windows applications are no longer supported, but if you find any of those, you can find a vmware and install a virtual machine or something. For DOSgames, you have dosbox.
Going for a 32bit version on a new gaming computer is not a good idea because :
- You will want a good VGA card, probably with no less than 1GB video RAM.
- You will want 4GB RAM at least.
Running a 32 bit OS will leave you with only 2,75GB RAM in the above scenario.
Running 1 EVE client won't be a problem, running 2 EVE clients with cache and security software on Win7 will be on the limit. Alt-tabbing then between the EVE clients and some internet browsers will make you hit the limit and make it slow. And we are not talking about 3 clients yet.
People still claiming that a gaming rig on a 32 bit system has any merit is clueless.
If you buy a new gaming system now, there is only 1 platform : Windows 7 64bit.
http://www.mmodata.net
Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:07:00 -
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OMGZ the 32bit programs are taking over! help meh! My computer is super unstable because of all the 32bit not workingness going on.
And yes fear meh you all now know my windows account name 
Gota love that 0% cpu useage too rofl.
Btw dumb troll no one cares about your opinion, the OP I am pretty sure wants FACT, the FACT is 64bit will give the best performace as it allowed over 4 gigs of memory (not ram MEMORY this 4 gigs includes all system memory (ram and others) + GPU yes GPU memory.)
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Sky Orcagna
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Orcagna on 11/10/2010 20:14:49
64-bit all the way. EVE is great with 12GB RAM, multiple monitors, and a pair of Geforce GTX 480s. Run one client at max settings on each monitor.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy
OMGZ the 32bit programs are taking over! help meh! My computer is super unstable because of all the 32bit not workingness going on.
And yes fear meh you all now know my windows account name
Gota love that 0% cpu useage too rofl.
Btw dumb troll no one cares about your opinion, the OP I am pretty sure wants FACT, the FACT is 64bit will give the best performace as it allowed over 4 gigs of memory (not ram MEMORY this 4 gigs includes all system memory (ram and others) + GPU yes GPU memory.)
I dont need anyone to care for my opinion..I could care less about yours.Just as much as I care for your link that I would never bother to click.You mad too?
So act like a little birdy and fly away to a place where someone cares you exist.And pack a lunch because it will be a long flight
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Tal'sung
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tal''sung on 11/10/2010 20:24:06
32Bit is a dead horse, Windows 8 has an almost 100% chance of being 64 bit only as Microsoft is trying to phase it out.
Most power users now use 64bit as there's really no reason not to unless you're using some crap old programs made for Windows 98 -- on top of this, popular high end motherboards with Intel's X58 chipsets have tri-channel memory and most people opt for at least 6GB of ram for it, 32Bit wouldn't be able to make use of all of it.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 11/10/2010 20:26:14
Actually, well-written applications for NT 3.1 or Windows 95 and up should run fine on Windows 7 x64.
It's the poorly written, and the 16-bit applications that causes headaches.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Stupid stuff said by a stupid troll
Yar I'm mad lolz
You know "google" is not the answer to everything if people did not ask **** google would have nothing on it lol, and the forum is not fill with only you, we have smart people here as well.
No one wants your opinion so go have it, in a dark room, all alone.
Yep 3 gigs more than enough, guess you would run 2x1 and um 2x512 sicks eh? I need to see if they even make ddr2 512's pretty much know they aint making ddr3 512's. If not how else would you get 3 gigs run 4 and lose 25%? Yet have it be a better plan? lolz.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy
Yep 3 gigs more than enough, guess you would run 2x1 and um 2x512 sicks eh? I need to see if they even make ddr2 512's pretty much know they aint making ddr3 512's. If not how else would you get 3 gigs run 4 and lose 25%? Yet have it be a better plan? lolz.
Or you can be poor/cheap like me and run DDR2.... The irony is that it's more expensive now than DDR3...  
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Stupid stuff said by a stupid troll
Yar I'm mad lolz
You know "google" is not the answer to everything if people did not ask **** google would have nothing on it lol, and the forum is not fill with only you, we have smart people here as well.
No one wants your opinion so go have it, in a dark room, all alone.
Yep 3 gigs more than enough, guess you would run 2x1 and um 2x512 sicks eh? I need to see if they even make ddr2 512's pretty much know they aint making ddr3 512's. If not how else would you get 3 gigs run 4 and lose 25%? Yet have it be a better plan? lolz.
Google is a search engine,that leads to sites,that contain the answers to everything.The rest of that crap someone needs to translate.All I see that makes sense is 3 gig.And I was talking about the people saying that 32bit os doesnt support more.Which doesnt matter because eve doesnt need more.
Another thing..learn how to write,I dont try to write correctly here either,but your grammar is bad.Mr.pleasure might wanna help you out though.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: alittlebirdy
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Stupid stuff said by a stupid troll
Yar I'm mad lolz
You know "google" is not the answer to everything if people did not ask **** google would have nothing on it lol, and the forum is not fill with only you, we have smart people here as well.
No one wants your opinion so go have it, in a dark room, all alone.
Yep 3 gigs more than enough, guess you would run 2x1 and um 2x512 sicks eh? I need to see if they even make ddr2 512's pretty much know they aint making ddr3 512's. If not how else would you get 3 gigs run 4 and lose 25%? Yet have it be a better plan? lolz.
Google is a search engine,that leads to sites,that contain the answers to everything.The rest of that crap someone needs to translate.All I see that makes sense is 3 gig.And I was talking about the people saying that 32bit os doesnt support more.Which doesnt matter because eve doesnt need more.
Another thing..learn how to write,I dont try to write correctly here either,but your grammar is bad.Mr.pleasure might wanna help you out though.
I understood it all... he writes better than you do.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:47:00 -
[74]
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 11/10/2010 20:51:17
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: alittlebirdy
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Stupid stuff said by a stupid troll
Yar I'm mad lolz
You know "google" is not the answer to everything if people did not ask **** google would have nothing on it lol, and the forum is not fill with only you, we have smart people here as well.
No one wants your opinion so go have it, in a dark room, all alone.
Yep 3 gigs more than enough, guess you would run 2x1 and um 2x512 sicks eh? I need to see if they even make ddr2 512's pretty much know they aint making ddr3 512's. If not how else would you get 3 gigs run 4 and lose 25%? Yet have it be a better plan? lolz.
Google is a search engine,that leads to sites,that contain the answers to everything.The rest of that crap someone needs to translate.All I see that makes sense is 3 gig.And I was talking about the people saying that 32bit os doesnt support more.Which doesnt matter because eve doesnt need more.
Another thing..learn how to write,I dont try to write correctly here either,but your grammar is bad.Mr.pleasure might wanna help you out though.
It is not a clear case of a 3GB limit, if you have a 1GB video card ( standard nowadays in an average gaming computer ) then you have only 2,75GB RAM left.
If you run 2 video cards with 1GB in SLI, then you have only 1,75GB of RAM left.
And there are also some players that like to run multiple accounts of EVE on 1 computer, in that case a 64bit system is also warranted.
EVE, as well as 99% of all other 32 bit games run fine out of the box on a 64bit system, so why limit yourself when buying a new computer?
You will encounter more issues when upgrading from XP to Win7 than when upgrading from 32bit to 64bit ( in regards to game compatibility ).
To conclude, every game I tried runs fine on Win7 64bit, and I go waay back to the beginning of IBM PC history ( I run Dosgames on Dosbox ofc, but that is a given, if you want to run Dosgames on a 32bit system you also need Dosbox ).
http://www.mmodata.net
Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:50:00 -
[75]
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 20:56:08
Originally by: Stick Cult
I understood it all... he writes better than you do.
What you obviously dont understand is sarcasm.And Im sure you understand him just fine,you are just as dumb.Assuming hes not an alt of yours,which could very well be the case
Edit:And its been fun but I really have to go now.It gets lame when you start agreeing with people and shooting one liners out there thinking I will continue to take the time and respond.I only respond to good trolls and you fail at that as well.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Stick Cult
I understood it all... he writes better than you do.
What you obviously dont understand is sarcasm.And Im sure you understand him just fine,you are just as dumb.Assuming hes not an alt of yours,which could very well be the case
Well at least they have some knowledge about computer gaming, which obviously you don't.
http://www.mmodata.net
Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 21:05:14
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 21:04:19
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Well at least they have some knowledge about computer gaming, which obviously you don't.
Now that was a good attempt,you want a cookie?
Edit:guess not.
Ill tell you another thing thats obvious.My **** is bigger than yours.If it wasnt,you wouldnt be sitting behind a computer all day to have said "knowledge".Ill leave you with that.But dont worry..it isnt the size that counts
Edit2:/me gives stick cult a half a cookie!
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Well at least they have some knowledge about computer gaming, which obviously you don't.
Now that was a good attempt,you want a cookie?
Can I have a cookie? I love cookies!
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Rasquel
Terminal Impact
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rasquel on 11/10/2010 21:15:30
Edited by: Rasquel on 11/10/2010 21:15:16
Edited by: Rasquel on 11/10/2010 21:14:18
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 17:09:47
Originally by: Cathleia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Id say 32 for most games.64 isnt really supported by a lot of games or programs.People will tell you other wise im sure.Just google problems installing games on windows 7 64bit.
youll see what I mean.
Yes, I see what you mean.
I see you have been living under a rock.
Get 64bit, there is no reason (for the normal guy) anymore to get a 32bit OS today.
and you want to know it all mr.under a rock.My wife has windows 7 64 and has nothing but problems installing anything,while Im already gaming.To each their own.
just google it "problems installing games on windows 7 64bit"
I'm going to just leave this here.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=problems+installing+games+on+windows+7+64bit&word2=problems+installing+games+on+windows+7+32bit
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Titus Phook on 11/10/2010 21:18:49
wow, someone sure has a bee in their bonnet. Personally if I was HeIIwhateverhisnameis I would quit while I was ahead instead of reinforcing peoples opinion that I was an arrogant, highly opinionated bellend with absolutely no idea about the subject matter, oops too late
on topic the 64 bit version costs the same, makes better use of hardware, has no memory limit & is more "future proof", may as well get the most bang for buck and get 64 bit. If you don't like it the product key will work with a 32 bit version of the os (windows product keys are not 32/64 bit specific but version specific ie ultimate key only works for ultimate), get the 64 bit and if you have to downgrade to 32 bit its a pretty painless and cost free exercise, reformat, reinstall use your existing key from the windows COA. Preinstalled machines generally come with 4gb of RAM but only a 32 bit os .. and a crappy onboard gfx card that struggles with anything more complex than minesweeper.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 21:05:14
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 21:04:19
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Well at least they have some knowledge about computer gaming, which obviously you don't.
Now that was a good attempt,you want a cookie?
Edit:guess not.
Ill tell you another thing thats obvious.My **** is bigger than yours.If it wasnt,you wouldnt be sitting behind a computer all day to have said "knowledge".Ill leave you with that.But dont worry..it isnt the size that counts
Edit2:/me gives stick cult a half a cookie!
Did I hurt your feelings? I am sorry if I did 
http://www.mmodata.net
Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 17:01:01
Id say 32 for most games.64 isnt really supported by a lot of games or programs.People will tell you other wise im sure.Just google problems installing games on windows 7 64bit.
youll see what I mean.
lol and before I finish posting,there they go.
google "problems installing games on windows 7 64bit" and see for yourself
64-bit is good for people that don't think "pong" is a hot new game, though.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:42:00 -
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So lol that a simple question is hitting 4 pages,
O ya to toss in, going from 2gigs to 8... OMG even with one eve accounton (I have 3) it is so nice having that extra memory, no more hitting up the harddrive for extra memory, and hell if you leave eve open long enough, it can ues 2 gigs no prob + who does not have other stuff running too. It is pretty epic when you can run eve, eve, world of tanks, minecraft, + vent server, MC server, and webserver (just for hosting files to share to myself / friends) with no issues...
I am using 3 gigs right now with just eve open and some IE's a vent server, and my normal OS stuff... E-mail...
But ya why would you buy super old tech? Might as well get ME or 98 then... I mean for cheap (150$) 8 gigs of name brand memory (only ddr 1333 but still) and vid cards, are at LEAST 1gig for anything worth buying... just with a vid card you are below 3gigs of memory windows 32 and address...
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Zagdul on 12/10/2010 00:12:04
Confirming Hell is an idiot.
I've been using 64bit since WinXP 64 was released and WOW64 was completely necessary to emulate 32bit in a 64bit environment.
Windows 7 64bit is fully backwards compatible and if you're buying new hardware, most manufacturers these days produce 64bit native drivers. This is one of those made up statistics, but I think it's safe to say for common hardware, motherboard/graphics/sound, 90% of the manufacturers are producing Windows 7 64bit drivers.
I would steer away from Creative drivers though, Creative sucks with producing a quality driver and always has. It's rarely a Windows issue if you have Creative products in your computer.
EDIT: Also, any IT pro will tell you a minimum of 2gb of RAM is necessary to run Windows 7 in it's glory. If you are running games that are RAM intensive, you'll need an additional 2gb counting any 32bit OS out of the picture.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778%28VS.85%29.aspx
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:07:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Zagdul
This is one of those made up statistics, but I think it's safe to say for common hardware, motherboard/graphics/sound, 90% of the manufacturers are producing Windows 7 64bit drivers.
At risk of bumping this thread, I think the problem is with people who have ~old~ hardware (printer, scanner, etc) that isn't supported anymore, and doesn't have 64 bit drivers. Almost all new hardware will have 64 bit drivers, of course.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zagdul on 12/10/2010 00:11:29
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Zagdul
This is one of those made up statistics, but I think it's safe to say for common hardware, motherboard/graphics/sound, 90% of the manufacturers are producing Windows 7 64bit drivers.
At risk of bumping this thread, I think the problem is with people who have ~old~ hardware (printer, scanner, etc) that isn't supported anymore, and doesn't have 64 bit drivers. Almost all new hardware will have 64 bit drivers, of course.
Yeah, but for the most part, the 32 bit driver will emulate fine within windows 7 64. I've had a few issues with finding a 64 bit native driver for my old Audigy for example, however I installed the 32 bit driver and it took (then I finally found the YoupPAX driver).
This isn't true with everything, but I've had a lot of luck with just installing old software. For the most part Windows 7 is pretty intelligent at spotting compatibility issues before a driver is installed.
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:18:00 -
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I wanna add on to this...
If your hardware isn't supported on a modern operating system, be it a scanner/printer or what ever, look to upgrade it. No matter what operating system you're on you'll have issues if the hardware is badly outdated.
I understand there are extreme circumstances where specialty equipment is concerned (canopus for example... (capture cards)) where they're a smaller company and their hardware is really expensive. In these cases, I advise hanging on to your old computer and running that old expensive piece of hardware. Canopus cards can go for upwards of $2k USD and do quite a bit. However they're sometimes a bit behind on their drivers due to codec issues. Their new cards are awesome... meh.. starting to rant... I think I've made the point though.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:43:00 -
[88]
win 7 64 bit here
3gb of ram
i have no issues with Eve online, or any programs for that matter.
just make sure if u get Itunes to choose the 64bit installer and not the 32 bit one.
if ur upgrading makesure ur gfx card has pixel shader 3.0 for the spring expansion
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
The Makhai
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:46:00 -
[89]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/10/2010 18:23:56
Not the stick figure guy again
Considering I am the one posting with my main, you are clearly still the muppet 
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.10.12 01:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Now that was a good attempt,you want a cookie?
Edit:guess not.
Ill tell you another thing thats obvious.My **** is bigger than yours.If it wasnt,you wouldnt be sitting behind a computer all day to have said "knowledge".Ill leave you with that.But dont worry..it isnt the size that counts
Edit2:/me gives stick cult a half a cookie!
You seem mighty mad for someone not being trolled.
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Lord Makk > Be warned, Lykouleon is akin to the love-child of a Goon and a Maru'Kage, with just a touch of Butter Dog for bitterness
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