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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren If you guys *really* think that macro ratting is a problem in those areas, why don't you start a corp or alliance that AFK cloaks those areas religiously. Get 20 AFK cloakers in each of those systems and you'll surely kill the macro ratting or the macro ratters.
-Liang
Confirming that, after multiple changes to the game that explicitly make this harder, and in the face of apparent indifference to contributing through official channels, it is our job to police the EULA.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Liang Nuren If you guys *really* think that macro ratting is a problem in those areas, why don't you start a corp or alliance that AFK cloaks those areas religiously. Get 20 AFK cloakers in each of those systems and you'll surely kill the macro ratting or the macro ratters.
-Liang
Confirming that, after multiple changes to the game that explicitly make this harder, and in the face of apparent indifference to contributing through official channels, it is our job to police the EULA.
I would say that it's very difficult to programmatically say whether someone is macro ratting - certainly if they do it in "small scale". How would you tell the difference between a guy that's taking 2 days off to rat up a carrier vs some guy that's macro ratting for 2 days? Or for 4 hours a day? A good macro will always be very hard to algorithmically spot. AND they really don't want to go banning people on the accusation of macroing.
Anyway... if you're convinced a certain group is macro ratting then you can certainly organize player events which will help kill it off.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/10/2010 20:32:38 AFK cloaking won't tell you if they're using macros or not. Humans also find that unnerving. But i guess at this point your minds are made up, and when you see them all react like real humans beings would, that will be 'proof' they are in fact using macros.
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Xadrik
Drunken Armed Pilots Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Citizen9999 Dotlan Stats
In case you had any doubts about the extent of macro ratters in 0.0, click that link, go down to "Most active systems (0.0)" NPC kills... The numbers there are startling.
(last 3h) NPC Kills System 1. Map F-HQWV (Perrigen Falls) 7148 2. Map Y-770C (Oasa) 5536 3. Map BNX-AS (Etherium Reach) 3507 4. Map H-MHWF (Oasa) 3380 5. Map NSI-MW (Malpais) 3085 6. Map H-EBQG (Malpais) 3076 7. Map TAL1-3 (Perrigen Falls) 2543 8. Map 1M7-RK (Cobalt Edge) 2280 9. Map QHJR-E (Etherium Reach) 2090 10. Map 04EI-U (Cache) 1973
Now, tell me how you get over 7,000 NPC kills in a drone system in 3 hours, a rate of 2,300 an hour without using macros? That is an average of 38 kills a MINUTE. That is a rate of better than a rat killed every 30 seconds.
The activity in that one system (F-HQWV)is so off the scale that it sort of dwarfs the egregious macroing in the other systems below it.
CCP, for the good of the game you have GOT to start taking macro ratting/mining/ISK farming that is rampant amongst certain entities (no need to name names, the numbers speak for themselves). Macroing at those insane levels HAS to leave regular patterns in the logs that show activity that is far too mechanical to be real players behind the keyboard.
This needs to be taken seriously and is just as big of a threat to this game as lag and other issues. The level of macroing that is going on in the drone regions is to such an extreme level that it threatens to devalue and distort the in game economy.
Not to mention the fact that there is no doubt a lot of this ISK ends up in the hands of sellers and scammers.
You are seriously mis-informed and naive if you believe that the only way to acheive such numbers is by macro ratting. Anyone that has ever used macro's, being in this game or anyother would tell you that precision macro'ing is slower than doing it yourself, if it enabled you to rat 23/7 then sure you'd be better off, but these system don't have ratters 23/7, some just a few hours day, perhaps upto 10 hours.
Let me guess you noticed some of the high volume kills in these systems on dotlan and felt jealous because your system is being camped by afk cloakers and you can't rat, so you thought hey, these dam macro ratters can make isk and i can't. Well i'm here to inform you that it is indeed extremely possible to kill that many npc's in the drone regions AT THE KEYBOARD.
Just because you don't know or understand how its done, does not mean its agaisnt the EULA or down to botting. Wise up and learn to play the game.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Xadrik You are seriously mis-informed and naive if you believe that the only way to acheive such numbers is by macro ratting. Anyone that has ever used macro's, being in this game or anyother would tell you that precision macro'ing is slower than doing it yourself, if it enabled you to rat 23/7 then sure you'd be better off, but these system don't have ratters 23/7, some just a few hours day, perhaps upto 10 hours.
Let me guess you noticed some of the high volume kills in these systems on dotlan and felt jealous because your system is being camped by afk cloakers and you can't rat, so you thought hey, these dam macro ratters can make isk and i can't. Well i'm here to inform you that it is indeed extremely possible to kill that many npc's in the drone regions AT THE KEYBOARD.
Just because you don't know or understand how its done, does not mean its agaisnt the EULA or down to botting. Wise up and learn to play the game.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:41:00 -
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney and macros do not exist.
Oh, they exist alright, but to jump to that conclusion over everything is just silly. It's almost like a mental illness with some people. Macro users lurking around every corner. Every mining belt they see full of miners is surely a nest of macro users they've discovered.
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