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Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:35:00 - [31] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 12/10/2010 15:38:36 Originally by: Paknac Queltel Originally by: Professor Tarantula Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people. I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes. But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local. It's much more likely they're actual people. However some simply want to believe they're macro users. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Paknac Queltel Originally by: Professor Tarantula Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people. I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes. But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local. Most of the systems up there are not very busy at all. Also if its not blue go hide.
Aessoroz	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/10/2010 15:38:35 CCP loves macro ratters so much that in my alliance we are forced to hot drop the blue macro ratters to get them out of our systems.
Minmatar Citizen9999	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:39:00 - [34] There are macro programs out there for sale that are customized for EVE that will do all that. I've seen one that claims to be able to salvage and to return and drop loot in stations, even if they need to jump through several systems to do it. Note that the system that is averaging 30+ NPC kills a minute is a station system, the mass macroing is probably being done there for that reason.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:39:00 - [35] Originally by: baltec1 Most of the systems up there are not very busy at all. Also if its not blue go hide. So you believe that a single ship is capable of taking out thousands of NPCs every 3 hours? My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: baltec1 Most of the systems up there are not very busy at all. Also if its not blue go hide. So you believe that a single ship is capable of taking out thousands of NPCs every 3 hours? If its blue its safe?
Kryspy Katarene	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Jodi Goulsti Originally by: Roosterton Originally by: Ejit Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese. Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff) I like how you bash someone for making generalizations while somehow deducing from the post that it came from an American. Euro***s always assume anything they don't like is american.
Paknac Queltel Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Paknac Queltel Originally by: Professor Tarantula Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people. I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes. But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local. Well, yeah, when you get to large-scale macro abuse... Let's just say that the client needs to keep a list of the people in local somewhere in memory. Typically, those people will have some standing attached to them. That's also kept in memory. Let's just say that a process' private memory isn't all that private. This is even forgoing the macro-easing problem EVE has had for a long time. And might still have, so I'm not mentioning it. It'd get edited out anyways. - Paknac Queltel
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:42:00 - [39] Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people. Pretty sure you're either trolling or haven't got a clue. If its the latter then macros that allow you to whitelist people in local have been around for years.
M'sieu Flurry	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Othran Pretty sure you're either trolling or haven't got a clue. If its the latter then macros that allow you to whitelist people in local have been around for years. You just summed it up. He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about but he likes to pontificate like he does. He's awesome.
Paknac Queltel Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Aelius Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer. Cloaky macro on the gates watching the overview would solve that, mostly. I'm sure they'll take the risk of a wormhole opening once in a while for granted. - Paknac Queltel
Jomald Minmatar GoodFleet	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people. No it is very doable. All you need is the insta-intel tool that is local chat. Do you even know what a Macro is? Dude by macro we mean anything automated, not a series of clicks and keystrokes. This is EASY to do. Have a program monitor the local by taking screenshots of the list, determine if list has grown, move mouse to pre-positioned bookmark list, right click, warp to. Easy ****. This has to stop...
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:53:00 - [44] Edited by: baltec1 on 12/10/2010 15:55:55 Originally by: Paknac Queltel Originally by: Aelius Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer. Cloaky macro on the gates watching the overview would solve that, mostly. I'm sure they'll take the risk of a wormhole opening once in a while for granted. Gonna need a lot of cloaky alts which means more money or isk spent on them every month so the isk sellers out in 0.0 will get hurt either way Its that or go AFK them 24/7 and watch them BAWWW on the forums about the great evil.
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 12/10/2010 15:38:36 Originally by: Paknac Queltel Originally by: Professor Tarantula Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people. I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes. But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local. It's much more likely they're actual people. However some simply want to believe they're macro users. You can always google up some of the EVE bots and see how sophisticated they really are....and while you're at it, send links to CCP of screenshots people post on their forums that show their character names :) I've gotten a few of them banned trolling around looking for idiots that post screenies of stuff when they're asking for the bot developers for help with something Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Paknac Queltel Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Paknac Queltel on 12/10/2010 15:59:32 Originally by: Barakkus I've gotten a few of them banned trolling around looking for idiots that post screenies of stuff when they're asking for the bot developers for help with something Mate, I've been looking for something to do during slow days at work. Thank you! Originally by: baltec1 Gonna need a lot of cloaky alts which means more money or isk spent on them every month so the isk sellers out in 0.0 will get hurt either way Its that or go AFK them 24/7 and watch them BAWWW on the forums about the great evil. This is a reason not to do it, tbh. I can't handle more whine threads. I might start bawwwing myself. - Paknac Queltel
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.12 15:58:00 - [47] Edited by: Othran on 12/10/2010 16:02:53 Edited by: Othran on 12/10/2010 16:02:28 Originally by: Jomald Dude by macro we mean anything automated, not a series of clicks and keystrokes. This is EASY to do. Have a program monitor the local by taking screenshots of the list, determine if list has grown, move mouse to pre-positioned bookmark list, right click, warp to. Easy ****. This has to stop... Its my understanding that its actually a lot more reliable/easy than that. Channels (local, chat, whatever) are basically irc channels with the "new client" (new guy in local) announcing itself, just as happens in irc. I'm sure you could imagine how that could be used.... Edit - dunno what its like now -A- is failcascading but Stain systems with no npc station used to be pretty much wall-to-wall with AAA Citizens in Ravens that warped to POS whenever anyone not in alliance entered system. 23/7/365...
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.12 16:03:00 - [48] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25 Originally by: Aelius Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer. And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace. Great idea.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.12 16:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Jane Griffin Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25 Originally by: Aelius Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer. And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace. Great idea. All the more rats for me then.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.12 16:41:00 - [50] Edited by: Sader Rykane on 12/10/2010 16:42:33 Originally by: Jane Griffin Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25 Originally by: Aelius Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer. And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace. Great idea. Are you people really that big a bunch of pansies that you can't survive without local? I hate local, and always have which is one of the reasons I stay in and around W-Space, where covert ops ships can actually be used COVERTLY. Local should be in high sec only, anyone who thinks local in the more likely PvP areas is a good idea is just a terrible player and a worse carebear then any high sec mission runner.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.12 16:51:00 - [51] Regarding the fact that even Eveboard has macro advertisements I'm pretty sure there's quite a lot of people botting in EVE. Also, CCP never ever said they banned even a single macro player, unless he sold ISK for RL $. If you add that up ...
Minmatar Citizen9999	Posted - 2010.10.12 17:31:00 - [52] Edited by: Minmatar Citizen9999 on 12/10/2010 17:32:19 Originally by: Jennifer Starling Regarding the fact that even Eveboard has macro advertisements I'm pretty sure there's quite a lot of people botting in EVE. Also, CCP never ever said they banned even a single macro player, unless he sold ISK for RL $. If you add that up ... The operators who are running macros on the scale they are being run in the drone regions are no doubt farming it for sale, so that's where they should start investigating. Again, look at the latest run of numbers: (From Dotlan) System 1. Map BNX-AS (Etherium Reach) 4943 2. Map B2J-5N (Malpais) 3874 3. Map C3I-D5 (Perrigen Falls) 3086 4. Map W-CSFY (Perrigen Falls) 3021 5. Map QFRV-2 (Outer Passage) 2501 6. Map 9Z-XJN (Outer Passage) 2417 7. Map C-NMG9 (Malpais) 2272 8. Map TAL1-3 (Perrigen Falls) 2197 9. Map NQ-M6W (Outer Passage) 2100 10. Map OJT-J3 (Perrigen Falls) 1921 Now, I've lived in the drone regions. Ratting there isn't fundamentally different than ratting anywhere else except for the fact you have to loot and haul alloys. There aren't more rats in the spawns. You tell me why there isn't a single system on that list that isn't in the drone region rental areas? No NC system? No system in Delve? CCP, your credibility is at stake.
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.10.12 17:37:00 - [53] Hey, at least they changed your name for you.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.10.12 17:38:00 - [54] Dear Naieve carebear alt who is too chicken to post with your main. Consider this, A fully upgraded I-hup with faster rat respawns and the other one that create more ded plexes and other exploration sites. I mean even a good drone 3/10 in high sec has over 100 drones to kill. A serpentis 3/10 has well over 300 npc's in it. And in a 24 hour period you could can get several new complexes to spawn. But you can't macro these plexes you just have some dedicated farmers there.
Minmatar Citizen9999	Posted - 2010.10.12 17:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Dear Naieve carebear alt who is too chicken to post with your main. Consider this, A fully upgraded I-hup with faster rat respawns and the other one that create more ded plexes and other exploration sites. I mean even a good drone 3/10 in high sec has over 100 drones to kill. A serpentis 3/10 has well over 300 npc's in it. And in a 24 hour period you could can get several new complexes to spawn. But you can't macro these plexes you just have some dedicated farmers there. So you want us to believe that the ratters who are of the hammer and sickle variety or their renters are so dedicated they are able to kill rats (at keyboard of course) at a rate so obscenely higher than everyone else that no system from the NC controlled regions, IT regions, and the other power blocs show up in the top 10? I'm not buying it. There is no difference in the rate of spawn in the drone regions than in any other upgraded system, only the difference in the type of rat and lack of bounties.
Zaboth Garadath Amarr No Limit Productions	Posted - 2010.10.12 18:29:00 - [56] Edited by: Zaboth Garadath on 12/10/2010 18:34:26 Its true: The drone regions are pretty much macro heaven. The space is extremely spread out, so invading gangs have to spend a long time just getting to certain systems- ontop of that, invaders know the macros can easily safe up the moment a red/neut pops up in local. So they don't even bother going on roams into the drone regions. So it is even easier to macro. To kill macro ratters: 1) Bring a mobile bubble 2) Deploy a bubble at a random belt at 0 (Try not to put it at the 1st/last belt, otherwise possible defenders looking for you will easily spot it). At this point, as you are visible in local, you should have noticed that all the macros have warped to POSs 3) Log off It is VERY useful to have an alt spai in the macroer's alliance, so you can watch cloaked near the bubble, waiting for the macros to reactivate 4) After 10-15 minutes, log back on, warp to your bubble (Or a bookmark near it so you don't get caught in the bubble yourself. Hopefully, a macro wil have warped to your bubbled belt, and got stuck in the bubble, unable to warp off when you logged on. Or, if you are using your spai, just wait until you see a macro warp into your bubble, then log back on 5) Kill the macro: a) Lock the target. b) Shoot the target (F1, F2, F3, etc) c) ??? d) Profit! 6) Loot, and warp back to your safe spot. (If you are sure you haven't attracted any attention from actual hostiles who aren't macroing, just rinse and repeat- the macros don't have any learning subroutines, so they will keep getting caught in your bubble.) It would probably be true that NC & others would have more macros, but infact, nearly every other alliance, in NC or in the south, have an anti-macro policy- aka, if any of their members are found macroing, they are killed & kicked. Although you can find neutal macro ratters in all of the NPC 0.0 regions, such as Venal. _____________________________________________ 'If you really want to make someone hate you, explain to them, logically and politely, why they are wrong' - J. Baylock
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.10.12 18:46:00 - [57] Originally by: Paknac Queltel Edited by: Paknac Queltel on 12/10/2010 15:59:32 Originally by: Barakkus I've gotten a few of them banned trolling around looking for idiots that post screenies of stuff when they're asking for the bot developers for help with something Mate, I've been looking for something to do during slow days at work. Thank you! Just remember, send CCP direct links to the individual forum posts as well as sending them saved copies of the screenshots. They like it when they don't have to go hunting around for stuff :) Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.12 19:17:00 - [58] Edited by: Zagdul on 12/10/2010 19:21:06 The reason the drone regions are that way is this: In normal Bounty NPC space, ratters do their best to kill for the highest bounty. This means by doing it in as small groups as possible. Solo where necessary. For instance, I solo 8/10's in my Tengu for highest personal gain. This is slow and not many NPC's per hour are killed. In drone lands, there's no bounty and the only people who truly benefit from the drone poo are the corps who build supers. So, rat in groups, collect drone poo in great quantities by being followed around with catalysts on crack... I hear drakes actually make good salvage ships. Then, split the profit of the super with your corp -tax to the corp for bills etc. If I had a corp in the drone region, this is how I'd do it. More you rat, more supers get built = more profit. EDIT: Oh, and it beats the urine out of mining.
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.10.12 20:12:00 - [59] same questions asked a month ago and a month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that........... I knew a TON OF PEOPLE when i played that EXCLUSIVELY had an alt(s) for the distinct purpose of doing NOTHING BUT MINING! ITS NOTHING NEW! ccp doesnt do anything and if they do, they wont make it public for some reason... unholy rage? big effin woop it MATTERS NOT... i hate you all of you hope eve dies
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.10.12 21:05:00 - [60] OMG...I just searched google to see how many "eve-bot" sites were out there and I got "About 736,000 results (0.26 seconds)". HOLY ***, that is so insane! Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact* "Fortis quod Fidelis ut Terminus"

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