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Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:06:00 -
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Dotlan Stats
In case you had any doubts about the extent of macro ratters in 0.0, click that link, go down to "Most active systems (0.0)" NPC kills... The numbers there are startling.
(last 3h) NPC Kills System
1. Map F-HQWV (Perrigen Falls) 7148
2. Map Y-770C (Oasa) 5536
3. Map BNX-AS (Etherium Reach) 3507
4. Map H-MHWF (Oasa) 3380
5. Map NSI-MW (Malpais) 3085
6. Map H-EBQG (Malpais) 3076
7. Map TAL1-3 (Perrigen Falls) 2543
8. Map 1M7-RK (Cobalt Edge) 2280
9. Map QHJR-E (Etherium Reach) 2090
10. Map 04EI-U (Cache) 1973
Now, tell me how you get over 7,000 NPC kills in a drone system in 3 hours, a rate of 2,300 an hour without using macros? That is an average of 38 kills a MINUTE. That is a rate of better than a rat killed every 30 seconds.
The activity in that one system (F-HQWV)is so off the scale that it sort of dwarfs the egregious macroing in the other systems below it.
CCP, for the good of the game you have GOT to start taking macro ratting/mining/ISK farming that is rampant amongst certain entities (no need to name names, the numbers speak for themselves). Macroing at those insane levels HAS to leave regular patterns in the logs that show activity that is far too mechanical to be real players behind the keyboard.
This needs to be taken seriously and is just as big of a threat to this game as lag and other issues. The level of macroing that is going on in the drone regions is to such an extreme level that it threatens to devalue and distort the in game economy.
Not to mention the fact that there is no doubt a lot of this ISK ends up in the hands of sellers and scammers.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:07:00 -
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Mission systems?
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:08:00 -
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so have you got any real proof ?
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Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar Citizen9999 on 12/10/2010 13:19:35
 Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
To answer both questions raised:
1. There are no missions anywhere in the drone regions. In fact, all anoms and plexes are drone rats (no bounties).
2. The number itself is proof. Note the lack of systems in other 0.0 regions showing up on the list. It gets even more obvious if you look at the list of activity over 24 hours:
(From Dotlan)
1. Map F-HQWV (Perrigen Falls) 46052 (A rate of 31.9 NPC kills A MINUTE! over 24 hours)
2. Map H-MHWF (Oasa) 19690
3. Map Y-770C (Oasa) 13462
4. Map QHJR-E (Etherium Reach) 12229
5. Map B-II34 (Insmother) 11852
6. Map RJBC-I (Oasa) 11714
7. Map 1A8-6G (Perrigen Falls)11332
8. Map RD-FWY (Insmother) 10976
9. Map TAL1-3 (Perrigen Falls)10643
10. Map G-UTHL (Fountain) 9358
Note that only 3 non drone systems are on that list. Only one system (G-UTHL) is located outside the sphere of influence of the "certain coalition" (Fountain). Insmother is controlled by the same entities. That said, however, I guarantee that every one of those systems is being macro'ed.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/10/2010 13:23:39
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
Not 'proof', but it IS funny that alot of them seem to be Russian corps at the top of the NPC killed lists
Intersting stats, make of them what you will
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/RD-FWY/stats
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/B-II34/stats
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:18:00 -
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Why don't you go into one of these systems and AFK cloak in it for 24 hours and see whan impact you have?
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Mission systems?
Yeah, those Rogue Drone agents are awesome 
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
What proof would you accept? There comes a point where Occam's Razor kicks in, you know.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
Not 'proof', but it IS funny that alot of them seem to be Russian corps at the top of the NPC killed lists
There is clearly enough smoke here to warrant a thorough investigation by CCP GM's. As for 100% proof they are using macro programs we can't provide that. It's CCP's job to enforce the EULA, not ours. That CCP isn't investigating and taking action on stuff like this is negligence on their part. I suspect their solution to the problem will be to remove that statistic from the API so Dotlan can't show just how badly they aren't enforcing the no macro policy.
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Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Why don't you go into one of these systems and AFK cloak in it for 24 hours and see whan impact you have?
That would be an interesting experiment.
AFK cloak camp each system on the top 10 list and see what happens. My bet is that the activity will move to an adjacent system in each case.
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Starchain
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:40:00 -
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We are blessed by hammer and sickle! Visit drone regione and we will give you a free ticket to clone facility.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Citizen9999
Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
Not 'proof', but it IS funny that alot of them seem to be Russian corps at the top of the NPC killed lists
There is clearly enough smoke here to warrant a thorough investigation by CCP GM's. As for 100% proof they are using macro programs we can't provide that. It's CCP's job to enforce the EULA, not ours. That CCP isn't investigating and taking action on stuff like this is negligence on their part. I suspect their solution to the problem will be to remove that statistic from the API so Dotlan can't show just how badly they aren't enforcing the no macro policy.
CCP might investigate, but afaik there isnt anything on the market that can help ccp say that this one is a macroer and this one isnt. And as such it makes it difficult for CCP to ban them. Because CCP needs reasonable proof before banning someone. And it is not proof that someone is mining 23 hours a day. It is not proof that they dont answer hails either. I have at 2-3 occasions in my time in eve been mining for 17-18 hours! And I dont always answers hail, either because I dont care to or I am busy reading or chatting with someone else in differenc channel. So yes, its difficult to tell.
Still, CCP do the job. Unholy rage is still a good example on that.
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:54:00 -
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It would be a bit stupid to macro in the drone regions where you don't get any bounty and need to loot your stuff. Doesn't make that much sense.
So you think there are many kills? Yeah, for one person it is a lot. Not for an alliance with several thousand members. Put for example 20 of them in the system (which is easily done) and you have that many kills, it just need a little organisation, that is all.
And looking at the kill distribution over time it clearly showns NOT an 23/7 activity but some 10-hour activity. If you would bot, you most probably would let the bot run 23 hours for maximum profit.
Everyone always underestimates the effects when people work together on a large scale and organize themselves. 40k kills? No big problem, just run a couple of teams the high end anomalies. Especially after Solar Fleet lost a couple of their supercaps it would make sense that they need to rat a bit more to build some new supercaps.
Sure it could be macros. But the presented date do not support that. Only the GM's could tell, at best. |
Starchain
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Starchain on 12/10/2010 14:04:13
I am living in drone regione and I can tell for sure, it's not a macros. It's a corporation loot ops.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Only the GM's could tell, at best.
And that's who you should take your concerns to. i.e. Petition it.
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Jane Griffin
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 14:14:45
meh, in a month and a half i only saw one possible macro ratter in null sec. During which time on days where i was only doing sanctums i could nearly get those number ratting by myself.
Although looking at some of the other data, its odd that three ships jump into system then there is constant npc kills for like 12 hours lol
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: baltec1
Mission systems?
Yeah, those Rogue Drone agents are awesome
I didnt look
At any rate I now belive the OP is 100% right as every time I go hunting up there I run into nothing but russian marco golems and CNRs.
The badgers however are not AFK and drop onto gates all the time
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Ejit
Amarr
The Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:24:00 -
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Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:27:00 -
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Macro ratters? You're talking about paying customers!?!
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Macro ratters? You're talking about paying customers!?!
End of thread.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Amicus Morte
Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:46:00 -
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It's actually even more impressive kill ratio if you take into account downtime 
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this!
Clear Skies - The Movie
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.
Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff)
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Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Cyprus Black
Caldari
Without Honor
SCUM.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:09:00 -
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Good list. I know what I'm doing tonight.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2084/lolveur2.gif |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:12:00 -
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Uh, these are all in 0.0. If you think they're using macros go ahead and try to kill them instead of running to teacher.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Jodi Goulsti
No Salvation
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.
Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff)
I like how you bash someone for making generalizations while somehow deducing from the post that it came from an American.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Uh, these are all in 0.0. If you think they're using macros go ahead and try to kill them instead of running to teacher.
I take it you have never tried to kill these people before.
If they are not running macros that warp them off the second you enter local then you get 3 motherships dumped on you. The second event is rare however as most of the time nobody is there to report you, just the AFK raven.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Uh, these are all in 0.0. If you think they're using macros go ahead and try to kill them instead of running to teacher.
I take it you have never tried to kill these people before.
If they are not running macros that warp them off the second you enter local then you get 3 motherships dumped on you. The second event is rare however as most of the time nobody is there to report you, just the AFK raven.
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
No it is very doable. All you need is the insta-intel tool that is local chat.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
No it is very doable. All you need is the insta-intel tool that is local chat.
Do you even know what a Macro is?
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes.
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Paknac Queltel
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 12/10/2010 15:38:36
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes.
But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local.
It's much more likely they're actual people. However some simply want to believe they're macro users.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes.
But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local.
Most of the systems up there are not very busy at all. Also if its not blue go hide.
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/10/2010 15:38:35
CCP loves macro ratters so much that in my alliance we are forced to hot drop the blue macro ratters to get them out of our systems.
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Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:39:00 -
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There are macro programs out there for sale that are customized for EVE that will do all that. I've seen one that claims to be able to salvage and to return and drop loot in stations, even if they need to jump through several systems to do it.
Note that the system that is averaging 30+ NPC kills a minute is a station system, the mass macroing is probably being done there for that reason.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Most of the systems up there are not very busy at all. Also if its not blue go hide.
So you believe that a single ship is capable of taking out thousands of NPCs every 3 hours?
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: baltec1
Most of the systems up there are not very busy at all. Also if its not blue go hide.
So you believe that a single ship is capable of taking out thousands of NPCs every 3 hours?
If its blue its safe?
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Kryspy Katarene
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jodi Goulsti
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.
Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff)
I like how you bash someone for making generalizations while somehow deducing from the post that it came from an American.
Euro***s always assume anything they don't like is american.
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes.
But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local.
Well, yeah, when you get to large-scale macro abuse...
Let's just say that the client needs to keep a list of the people in local somewhere in memory. Typically, those people will have some standing attached to them. That's also kept in memory.
Let's just say that a process' private memory isn't all that private.
This is even forgoing the macro-easing problem EVE has had for a long time. And might still have, so I'm not mentioning it. It'd get edited out anyways.
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Paknac Queltel
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Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:42:00 -
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Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
Pretty sure you're either trolling or haven't got a clue. If its the latter then macros that allow you to whitelist people in local have been around for years.
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M'sieu Flurry
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Pretty sure you're either trolling or haven't got a clue. If its the latter then macros that allow you to whitelist people in local have been around for years.
You just summed it up. He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about but he likes to pontificate like he does. He's awesome.
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
Cloaky macro on the gates watching the overview would solve that, mostly. I'm sure they'll take the risk of a wormhole opening once in a while for granted.
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Paknac Queltel
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Jomald
Minmatar
GoodFleet
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
No it is very doable. All you need is the insta-intel tool that is local chat.
Do you even know what a Macro is?
Dude by macro we mean anything automated, not a series of clicks and keystrokes. This is EASY to do. Have a program monitor the local by taking screenshots of the list, determine if list has grown, move mouse to pre-positioned bookmark list, right click, warp to. Easy ****. This has to stop...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 12/10/2010 15:55:55
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
Cloaky macro on the gates watching the overview would solve that, mostly. I'm sure they'll take the risk of a wormhole opening once in a while for granted.
Gonna need a lot of cloaky alts which means more money or isk spent on them every month so the isk sellers out in 0.0 will get hurt either way
Its that or go AFK them 24/7 and watch them BAWWW on the forums about the great evil.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 12/10/2010 15:38:36
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
I dunno, it's pretty easy to scan for a blue box in a preconfigured part of the screen the moment the local list changes.
But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local.
It's much more likely they're actual people. However some simply want to believe they're macro users.
You can always google up some of the EVE bots and see how sophisticated they really are....and while you're at it, send links to CCP of screenshots people post on their forums that show their character names :)
I've gotten a few of them banned trolling around looking for idiots that post screenies of stuff when they're asking for the bot developers for help with something 
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Paknac Queltel on 12/10/2010 15:59:32
Originally by: Barakkus
I've gotten a few of them banned trolling around looking for idiots that post screenies of stuff when they're asking for the bot developers for help with something
Mate, I've been looking for something to do during slow days at work. Thank you!
Originally by: baltec1
Gonna need a lot of cloaky alts which means more money or isk spent on them every month so the isk sellers out in 0.0 will get hurt either way
Its that or go AFK them 24/7 and watch them BAWWW on the forums about the great evil.
This is a reason not to do it, tbh. I can't handle more whine threads. I might start bawwwing myself.
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Paknac Queltel
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:58:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Othran on 12/10/2010 16:02:53
Edited by: Othran on 12/10/2010 16:02:28
Originally by: Jomald
Dude by macro we mean anything automated, not a series of clicks and keystrokes. This is EASY to do. Have a program monitor the local by taking screenshots of the list, determine if list has grown, move mouse to pre-positioned bookmark list, right click, warp to. Easy ****. This has to stop...
Its my understanding that its actually a lot more reliable/easy than that. Channels (local, chat, whatever) are basically irc channels with the "new client" (new guy in local) announcing itself, just as happens in irc.
I'm sure you could imagine how that could be used....
Edit - dunno what its like now -A- is failcascading but Stain systems with no npc station used to be pretty much wall-to-wall with AAA Citizens in Ravens that warped to POS whenever anyone not in alliance entered system. 23/7/365...
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Jane Griffin
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace.
Great idea.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:10:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Jane Griffin
Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace.
Great idea.
All the more rats for me then.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 12/10/2010 16:42:33
Originally by: Jane Griffin
Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace.
Great idea.
Are you people really that big a bunch of pansies that you can't survive without local? I hate local, and always have which is one of the reasons I stay in and around W-Space, where covert ops ships can actually be used COVERTLY.
Local should be in high sec only, anyone who thinks local in the more likely PvP areas is a good idea is just a terrible player and a worse carebear then any high sec mission runner.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:51:00 -
[51]
Regarding the fact that even Eveboard has macro advertisements I'm pretty sure there's quite a lot of people botting in EVE.
Also, CCP never ever said they banned even a single macro player, unless he sold ISK for RL $.
If you add that up ...
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Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.12 17:31:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Minmatar Citizen9999 on 12/10/2010 17:32:19
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Regarding the fact that even Eveboard has macro advertisements I'm pretty sure there's quite a lot of people botting in EVE.
Also, CCP never ever said they banned even a single macro player, unless he sold ISK for RL $.
If you add that up ...
The operators who are running macros on the scale they are being run in the drone regions are no doubt farming it for sale, so that's where they should start investigating.
Again, look at the latest run of numbers:
(From Dotlan)
System
1. Map BNX-AS (Etherium Reach) 4943
2. Map B2J-5N (Malpais) 3874
3. Map C3I-D5 (Perrigen Falls) 3086
4. Map W-CSFY (Perrigen Falls) 3021
5. Map QFRV-2 (Outer Passage) 2501
6. Map 9Z-XJN (Outer Passage) 2417
7. Map C-NMG9 (Malpais) 2272
8. Map TAL1-3 (Perrigen Falls) 2197
9. Map NQ-M6W (Outer Passage) 2100
10. Map OJT-J3 (Perrigen Falls) 1921
Now, I've lived in the drone regions. Ratting there isn't fundamentally different than ratting anywhere else except for the fact you have to loot and haul alloys. There aren't more rats in the spawns.
You tell me why there isn't a single system on that list that isn't in the drone region rental areas? No NC system? No system in Delve?
CCP, your credibility is at stake.
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 17:37:00 -
[53]
Hey, at least they changed your name for you.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.12 17:38:00 -
[54]
Dear Naieve carebear alt who is too chicken to post with your main.
Consider this, A fully upgraded I-hup with faster rat respawns and the other one that create more ded plexes and other exploration sites.
I mean even a good drone 3/10 in high sec has over 100 drones to kill. A serpentis 3/10 has well over 300 npc's in it. And in a 24 hour period you could can get several new complexes to spawn. But you can't macro these plexes you just have some dedicated farmers there.
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Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.12 17:50:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Dear Naieve carebear alt who is too chicken to post with your main.
Consider this, A fully upgraded I-hup with faster rat respawns and the other one that create more ded plexes and other exploration sites.
I mean even a good drone 3/10 in high sec has over 100 drones to kill. A serpentis 3/10 has well over 300 npc's in it. And in a 24 hour period you could can get several new complexes to spawn. But you can't macro these plexes you just have some dedicated farmers there.
So you want us to believe that the ratters who are of the hammer and sickle variety or their renters are so dedicated they are able to kill rats (at keyboard of course) at a rate so obscenely higher than everyone else that no system from the NC controlled regions, IT regions, and the other power blocs show up in the top 10?
I'm not buying it. There is no difference in the rate of spawn in the drone regions than in any other upgraded system, only the difference in the type of rat and lack of bounties.
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Zaboth Garadath
Amarr
No Limit Productions
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:29:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Zaboth Garadath on 12/10/2010 18:34:26
Its true: The drone regions are pretty much macro heaven. The space is extremely spread out, so invading gangs have to spend a long time just getting to certain systems- ontop of that, invaders know the macros can easily safe up the moment a red/neut pops up in local. So they don't even bother going on roams into the drone regions. So it is even easier to macro.
To kill macro ratters:
1) Bring a mobile bubble
2) Deploy a bubble at a random belt at 0 (Try not to put it at the 1st/last belt, otherwise possible defenders looking for you will easily spot it).
*At this point, as you are visible in local, you should have noticed that all the macros have warped to POSs*
3) Log off
*It is VERY useful to have an alt spai in the macroer's alliance, so you can watch cloaked near the bubble, waiting for the macros to reactivate*
4) After 10-15 minutes, log back on, warp to your bubble (Or a bookmark near it so you don't get caught in the bubble yourself. Hopefully, a macro wil have warped to your bubbled belt, and got stuck in the bubble, unable to warp off when you logged on.
*Or, if you are using your spai, just wait until you see a macro warp into your bubble, then log back on*
5) Kill the macro:
a) Lock the target.
b) Shoot the target (F1, F2, F3, etc)
c) ???
d) Profit!
6) Loot, and warp back to your safe spot. (If you are sure you haven't attracted any attention from actual hostiles who aren't macroing, just rinse and repeat- the macros don't have any learning subroutines, so they will keep getting caught in your bubble.)
It would probably be true that NC & others would have more macros, but infact, nearly every other alliance, in NC or in the south, have an anti-macro policy- aka, if any of their members are found macroing, they are killed & kicked.
Although you can find neutal macro ratters in all of the NPC 0.0 regions, such as Venal.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:46:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Edited by: Paknac Queltel on 12/10/2010 15:59:32
Originally by: Barakkus
I've gotten a few of them banned trolling around looking for idiots that post screenies of stuff when they're asking for the bot developers for help with something
Mate, I've been looking for something to do during slow days at work. Thank you!
Just remember, send CCP direct links to the individual forum posts as well as sending them saved copies of the screenshots.
They like it when they don't have to go hunting around for stuff :)
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:17:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Zagdul on 12/10/2010 19:21:06
The reason the drone regions are that way is this:
In normal Bounty NPC space, ratters do their best to kill for the highest bounty. This means by doing it in as small groups as possible. Solo where necessary. For instance, I solo 8/10's in my Tengu for highest personal gain. This is slow and not many NPC's per hour are killed.
In drone lands, there's no bounty and the only people who truly benefit from the drone poo are the corps who build supers. So, rat in groups, collect drone poo in great quantities by being followed around with catalysts on crack... I hear drakes actually make good salvage ships. Then, split the profit of the super with your corp -tax to the corp for bills etc.
If I had a corp in the drone region, this is how I'd do it. More you rat, more supers get built = more profit.
EDIT: Oh, and it beats the urine out of mining.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:12:00 -
[59]
same questions asked a month ago and a month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that month before that...........
I knew a TON OF PEOPLE when i played that EXCLUSIVELY had an alt(s) for the distinct purpose of doing NOTHING BUT MINING!
ITS NOTHING NEW! ccp doesnt do anything and if they do, they wont make it public for some reason... unholy rage? big effin woop it MATTERS NOT...
i hate you
all of you
hope eve dies
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:05:00 -
[60]
OMG...I just searched google to see how many "eve-bot" sites were out there and I got "About 736,000 results (0.26 seconds)". HOLY ****, that is so insane! 
Syn Callibri
Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL]
Keeper of the Blood Pact
"Fortis quod Fidelis ut Terminus" |
Loschy
The Synergy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:07:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Kryspy Katarene
Originally by: Jodi Goulsti
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.
Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff)
I like how you bash someone for making generalizations while somehow deducing from the post that it came from an American.
Euro***s always assume anything they don't like is american.
When Americans exhibit almost every trait you deem unlikeable, it moves from unconscious bias to overt.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:10:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Syn Callibri
OMG...I just searched google to see how many "eve-bot" sites were out there and I got "About 736,000 results (0.26 seconds)". HOLY ****, that is so insane!
Yeah the level of sophistication in some of those apps is just crazy too.
I'm sure CCP does their homework, but there's only so much they can do to track down people botting, giving them a helping hand and reporting people and/or software sites will give them a leg up, might even give them insight on how to break the bots too.
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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youliekmudkipz
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Posted - 2010.10.12 22:28:00 -
[63]
btw, does anyone know if PI bots are there yet ?
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.10.12 22:36:00 -
[64]
Originally by: youliekmudkipz
btw, does anyone know if PI bots are there yet ?
who even gives a **** about PI bots? make more money doing other crap the bots do...
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Donny Maurasi
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Posted - 2010.10.12 23:40:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local.
It's much more likely they're actual people. However some simply want to believe they're macro users.
You clearly don't have a clue about macros, so it's likely best to learn about them before saying something can't be done. They simply use blue lists and non blue lists and yest the macro can easily see the difference.
The second a non blue enters the system the macro will warp off to it's SS and either log or cloak.
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.12 23:58:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Roosterton on 13/10/2010 00:05:42
Originally by: Jodi Goulsti
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.
Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff)
I like how you bash someone for making generalizations while somehow deducing from the post that it came from an American.
I bashed him for making generalizations that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters, not for making generalizations that everyone who lives in a certain place, was born in a certain place, or had parents from a certain place, is a cheater.
I did not call him American. I just said that "Americans who are like him" should htfu or stfu. Key words, "like him." I didn't say all Americans were like him, nor did I say that all Americans should HTFU/STFU. The reason I put in the word "American" is because the vast majority of people like him are, indeed, American. 
And to Kryspy, I'm not European. Try again.
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Originally by: Tarminic
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Starchain
Edited by: Starchain on 12/10/2010 14:04:13
I am living in drone regione and I can tell for sure, it's not a macros. It's a corporation loot ops.
Orly?
Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.
QFT
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Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:58:00 -
[68]
From Dolan :
Fade O1Y-ED : 7416 NPC Kills
Fade O-CNPR : 5396 NPC Kills
Deklein XCF-8N : 6679 NPOC Kills
Deklein RG9-7U : 5106 NPC Kills
In Deklein more then 20 Sytsem with minium ~3500
much more other Systems in the North
When CCP do something against this Northern Macro Bot Coalion.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.13 02:42:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.13 03:15:00 -
[70]
Originally by: baltec1
Why don't you go into one of these systems and AFK cloak in it for 24 hours and see whan impact you have?
Though I don't AFK Cloak, I have spent time in some of these systems cloaked and I learned a lot of Russian doing it.
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2010.10.13 05:23:00 -
[71]
Could this be the reason why 0.0 is a huge napfest now? That everyone is too busy making a living off RMT to risk rocking the boat?
/tinfoil
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 05:53:00 -
[72]
Originally by: baltec1
Edited by: baltec1 on 12/10/2010 15:55:55
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
Cloaky macro on the gates watching the overview would solve that, mostly. I'm sure they'll take the risk of a wormhole opening once in a while for granted.
Gonna need a lot of cloaky alts which means more money or isk spent on them every month so the isk sellers out in 0.0 will get hurt either way
Its that or go AFK them 24/7 and watch them BAWWW on the forums about the great evil.
But if they run a macro all day for then sell the minerals for isk, they can afford the PLEXs
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.10.13 05:55:00 -
[73]
First off.. if you suspect someone of using a botting program, please file a petition accordingly. ***** less.. do more. How else would you expect results to happen. Spare me the 'petitions don't work', cause I don't give a **** for that lazy man's excuse.
Now.. if people seriously want to put a dent in macros. Kill'em.
Secondly.. kill'em again.
Third.. all you lazy ****s dumping your rl money into transparent 'Disney dollars' should be gunned down by every player in the game that legitament plays by the rules. Lets go 1980s American Drug Campaign on this *****.. go to the user and steam roll them. I'm serious.. suspected RMT isk BUYER.. kill'em, then tell your friends.. and have your friends kill'em and tell everyone.. smear their name on forums that allow such a message to be spread. Blaster their RMT using mug all over the place when you got proof. Then everyone kill'em.
If the RMT don't have buyers.. they have no reason to exist. Goodbye a **** ton of macros. Goodbye people being paid real money to develop more sophisticated bot programs.
Short version: Kill the Isk BUYERS!
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:15:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Umega
First off.. if you suspect someone of using a botting program, please file a petition accordingly. ***** less.. do more. How else would you expect results to happen. Spare me the 'petitions don't work', cause I don't give a **** for that lazy man's excuse.
Now.. if people seriously want to put a dent in macros. Kill'em.
Secondly.. kill'em again.
Third.. all you lazy ****s dumping your rl money into transparent 'Disney dollars' should be gunned down by every player in the game that legitament plays by the rules. Lets go 1980s American Drug Campaign on this *****.. go to the user and steam roll them. I'm serious.. suspected RMT isk BUYER.. kill'em, then tell your friends.. and have your friends kill'em and tell everyone.. smear their name on forums that allow such a message to be spread. Blaster their RMT using mug all over the place when you got proof. Then everyone kill'em.
If the RMT don't have buyers.. they have no reason to exist. Goodbye a **** ton of macros. Goodbye people being paid real money to develop more sophisticated bot programs.
Short version: Kill the Isk BUYERS!
RMT isn't the only reason to run a macro. In any case, your reasoning is specious; we should tolerate one type of cheating yet condemn another?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:19:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Umega
First off.. if you suspect someone of using a botting program, please file a petition accordingly. ***** less.. do more. How else would you expect results to happen. Spare me the 'petitions don't work', cause I don't give a **** for that lazy man's excuse.
Now.. if people seriously want to put a dent in macros. Kill'em.
Secondly.. kill'em again.
Third.. all you lazy ****s dumping your rl money into transparent 'Disney dollars' should be gunned down by every player in the game that legitament plays by the rules. Lets go 1980s American Drug Campaign on this *****.. go to the user and steam roll them. I'm serious.. suspected RMT isk BUYER.. kill'em, then tell your friends.. and have your friends kill'em and tell everyone.. smear their name on forums that allow such a message to be spread. Blaster their RMT using mug all over the place when you got proof. Then everyone kill'em.
If the RMT don't have buyers.. they have no reason to exist. Goodbye a **** ton of macros. Goodbye people being paid real money to develop more sophisticated bot programs.
Short version: Kill the Isk BUYERS!
RMT isn't the only reason to run a macro. In any case, your reasoning is specious; we should tolerate one type of cheating yet condemn another?
Hmmm and point exactly when I said to tolerate any kind of cheating?
All I did was point out another option for people to use in helping to tone down macro users. If you want to, for some reason, counter argue that cutting into RMTs profits wouldn't cut down the number of macros ingame.. knock yourself out.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:19:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
Originally by: Malcanis
What would you accept as proof?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:37:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?
What proof would you accept? There comes a point where Occam's Razor kicks in, you know.
well, in this specific instance, number of pilots against number of kills would be useful.
Then number of belts, upgrade level of the system and so on, the kind of stuff that allow you to check if the number of kills/minute is proportionate to the number of pilots or not.
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Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:11:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Jane Griffin
Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilß... dead macroer.
And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace.
Great idea.
Yes some will "die"... people "die" all the time in EVE... and yes some will leave 0.0 but the ballsy ones will make a lot more isk.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:11:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Malcanis on 13/10/2010 08:12:33
I really dont think it's that hard to analyze logs to show bot behaviour if you really try. Here's a hint: if someone's character is ratting with exactly mechanical precision for 23 hours a day, day after day, always instawarping the second anyone appears in local (loliknowrite?), then they're a bot. If someone is ice-mining 23 hours a day, in precise synchrony with multiple similarly named characters all created at the same time then they're a bot. If someone is running courier missions out of Ingunn 23 hours a day, ignoring the fact that the station is camped then they're a bot. If someone is mining veld 23 hours a day, and even keeps trying to "mine" in their pod for 8 hours after their covetor gets ganked then they're a bot.
Run the analysis. flag the suspects. Observe them in operation. Ban the accounts. Less of this "oh we're letting them run to observe where the ISK goes". That's just an excuse to leave accounts running to keep the subscription money flowing. You have the logs: you can already see where the ISK is going.
The server has been suffering lately, CCP. Let's help it out by lightening the load a little.
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Captain Blart
Hideous Mutant Freekz
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Posted - 2010.10.13 09:26:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Captain Blart on 13/10/2010 09:30:38
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
Took me less than 2 minutes to find this soft , here is the description ( im not giving name of the soft or link to respect CCP rules )
" Use this small utility to monitor you local channel for hostiles. There are times when you have to go semi-afk or you just are too sleepy or too tired to have your eyes on local channel all the time. ***** will sit in background and monitor the local channel of EVE. It displays the total number of pilots in solar system, the number of friendlies and hostiles. On hostiles there are options to just alert with a sound or exit EVE after some seconds. You can stop the utility at any moment by pressing the [stop bot] button...."
What does that tell you ?
They also do a program that warp to 0 for you
One of their forum is :
**** Russian section
Subforum для русскоязычных пользователей
Im not joking here
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Minmatar Citizen9999
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:02:00 -
[81]
Yeah, "Bacon" still exists. It's just not as easy to do as it was (and requires EULA violating things to be done by the program) but it's there, and part of every macro program sold.
Why doesn't CCP sue the people who sell those things the way Blizzard did WOWGlider?
Oh and this morning's update from "The Russian Front" (exception being the one Immensia system)
(last 3h) NPC Kills System
1. Map Y-770C (Oasa) 5665
2. Map NSI-MW (Malpais) 3857
3. Map H-EBQG (Malpais) 3811
4. Map H-MHWF (Oasa) 3408
5. Map IS-OBW (Etherium Reach) 3368
6. Map VH-9VO (Outer Passage) 2405
7. Map 4AZV-W (Outer Passage) 2274
8. Map PND-SI (Oasa) 2160
9. Map F-HQWV (Perrigen Falls) 2124
10. Map 08-N7Q (Immensea)
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Prinsessa Ruusunen
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:55:00 -
[82]
It's okay, they're Russians.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.13 14:38:00 -
[83]
this is what i have to say on the matter of this topic.
upgraded systems with pilots running the top end amons.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:15:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Lady Aja
this is what i have to say on the matter of this topic.
upgraded systems with pilots running the top end amons.
Damn, i actually agree with you !!!!
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K'racker
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.13 16:00:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Lady Aja
this is what i have to say on the matter of this topic.
upgraded systems with pilots running the top end amons.
Damn, i actually agree with you !!!!
considering f-hq has only 3 belts, and lvl 5 upgrade. so ya they're probably gang banging the 2 perma spawning anomalies.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.13 16:20:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Uh, these are all in 0.0. If you think they're using macros go ahead and try to kill them instead of running to teacher.
I take it you have never tried to kill these people before.
If they are not running macros that warp them off the second you enter local then you get 3 motherships dumped on you. The second event is rare however as most of the time nobody is there to report you, just the AFK raven.
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.
You can, I've seen it.
Had a bit of trouble with it when I got into insmother.
One of the guys in my corp at the time jumped to each belt, dropped a large warp bubble then got everyone out of system.
Waited 5min, jumped in and people scattered to the belts, rinse, repeat, catch macro-bot, kill macro-bot, drop bubble, kill pod, roll around in loots.
Do that...
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Cerneus
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:18:00 -
[87]
Been there. They're good isk. Just learn how to farm them and what apps to use to fool them (second one helps but not required).
Happy hunting.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:22:00 -
[88]
getting a kill on those macro bots ( and allowing us to scan wrecks older than 1 hour old would help heaps) but these farming bots also contribute to well isk isk isk and if u get lucky a nice suicide gank
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:50:00 -
[89]
If you guys *really* think that macro ratting is a problem in those areas, why don't you start a corp or alliance that AFK cloaks those areas religiously. Get 20 AFK cloakers in each of those systems and you'll surely kill the macro ratting or the macro ratters.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:55:00 -
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ok how is it the macro ratters can log in today but the real pleasure playing eve players like myself keep getting to character select screen and hit a black wall of entering space or socket closed, wonder how much htose macros are paying ccp to macro a game no one can playu
Just a public statement by CCP on this would help when is it going to be finally fixed .... stop rushing the next expansion its going to be rubbish anyway and fix what u have and implement outstanding items of attention
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
If you guys *really* think that macro ratting is a problem in those areas, why don't you start a corp or alliance that AFK cloaks those areas religiously. Get 20 AFK cloakers in each of those systems and you'll surely kill the macro ratting or the macro ratters.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Liang Nuren
If you guys *really* think that macro ratting is a problem in those areas, why don't you start a corp or alliance that AFK cloaks those areas religiously. Get 20 AFK cloakers in each of those systems and you'll surely kill the macro ratting or the macro ratters.
-Liang
Confirming that, after multiple changes to the game that explicitly make this harder, and in the face of apparent indifference to contributing through official channels, it is our job to police the EULA.
I would say that it's very difficult to programmatically say whether someone is macro ratting - certainly if they do it in "small scale". How would you tell the difference between a guy that's taking 2 days off to rat up a carrier vs some guy that's macro ratting for 2 days? Or for 4 hours a day? A good macro will always be very hard to algorithmically spot. AND they really don't want to go banning people on the accusation of macroing.
Anyway... if you're convinced a certain group is macro ratting then you can certainly organize player events which will help kill it off.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/10/2010 20:32:38
AFK cloaking won't tell you if they're using macros or not. Humans also find that unnerving. But i guess at this point your minds are made up, and when you see them all react like real humans beings would, that will be 'proof' they are in fact using macros.
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Xadrik
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Citizen9999
Dotlan Stats
In case you had any doubts about the extent of macro ratters in 0.0, click that link, go down to "Most active systems (0.0)" NPC kills... The numbers there are startling.
(last 3h) NPC Kills System
1. Map F-HQWV (Perrigen Falls) 7148
2. Map Y-770C (Oasa) 5536
3. Map BNX-AS (Etherium Reach) 3507
4. Map H-MHWF (Oasa) 3380
5. Map NSI-MW (Malpais) 3085
6. Map H-EBQG (Malpais) 3076
7. Map TAL1-3 (Perrigen Falls) 2543
8. Map 1M7-RK (Cobalt Edge) 2280
9. Map QHJR-E (Etherium Reach) 2090
10. Map 04EI-U (Cache) 1973
Now, tell me how you get over 7,000 NPC kills in a drone system in 3 hours, a rate of 2,300 an hour without using macros? That is an average of 38 kills a MINUTE. That is a rate of better than a rat killed every 30 seconds.
The activity in that one system (F-HQWV)is so off the scale that it sort of dwarfs the egregious macroing in the other systems below it.
CCP, for the good of the game you have GOT to start taking macro ratting/mining/ISK farming that is rampant amongst certain entities (no need to name names, the numbers speak for themselves). Macroing at those insane levels HAS to leave regular patterns in the logs that show activity that is far too mechanical to be real players behind the keyboard.
This needs to be taken seriously and is just as big of a threat to this game as lag and other issues. The level of macroing that is going on in the drone regions is to such an extreme level that it threatens to devalue and distort the in game economy.
Not to mention the fact that there is no doubt a lot of this ISK ends up in the hands of sellers and scammers.
You are seriously mis-informed and naive if you believe that the only way to acheive such numbers is by macro ratting. Anyone that has ever used macro's, being in this game or anyother would tell you that precision macro'ing is slower than doing it yourself, if it enabled you to rat 23/7 then sure you'd be better off, but these system don't have ratters 23/7, some just a few hours day, perhaps upto 10 hours.
Let me guess you noticed some of the high volume kills in these systems on dotlan and felt jealous because your system is being camped by afk cloakers and you can't rat, so you thought hey, these dam macro ratters can make isk and i can't. Well i'm here to inform you that it is indeed extremely possible to kill that many npc's in the drone regions AT THE KEYBOARD.
Just because you don't know or understand how its done, does not mean its agaisnt the EULA or down to botting. Wise up and learn to play the game.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Xadrik
You are seriously mis-informed and naive if you believe that the only way to acheive such numbers is by macro ratting. Anyone that has ever used macro's, being in this game or anyother would tell you that precision macro'ing is slower than doing it yourself, if it enabled you to rat 23/7 then sure you'd be better off, but these system don't have ratters 23/7, some just a few hours day, perhaps upto 10 hours.
Let me guess you noticed some of the high volume kills in these systems on dotlan and felt jealous because your system is being camped by afk cloakers and you can't rat, so you thought hey, these dam macro ratters can make isk and i can't. Well i'm here to inform you that it is indeed extremely possible to kill that many npc's in the drone regions AT THE KEYBOARD.
Just because you don't know or understand how its done, does not mean its agaisnt the EULA or down to botting. Wise up and learn to play the game.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:41:00 -
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney
and macros do not exist.
Oh, they exist alright, but to jump to that conclusion over everything is just silly. It's almost like a mental illness with some people. Macro users lurking around every corner. Every mining belt they see full of miners is surely a nest of macro users they've discovered.
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