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Hydroz0rz	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:14:00 - [1] We all have seen the complaints about Pi and the sheer amount of clicky clicky needed. This could cause medical problems such as joint pain and muscle tension maybe even tendon problems. What is CCP doing about this issue? Has this been raised before as a possible problem? I personally run 35 planets and let me tell you the clicking is a pain in the rear end, I believe Pi should be comfortable if you have 5 planets or 100 planets. I am hoping there will be a 1 click option to set "ALL" extractors going on a desired time frame on a patch not too far from now.
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:22:00 - [2] This type of post really annoys me. I suffer from a chronic condition where my joints are slowly falling apart. Yet I manage to run my PI installations well enough. But instead of saying that you find the PI clickfest boring, or that your ADHD means that you have the concentration span of a hyperactive gerbil, you instead make up a totally fallacious reason why you want PI changed to easy mode. I hope CCP doubles the amount of clicks needed to run a PI installation in response to your pathetic post.
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:22:00 - [3] I think it can make a problem people might already have had worse or if in an extreme case ie 30+ planets introduce/force them. If you are hurting yourself, stop it. It is a game and not worth your health, having said that there are solutions to ease the issues people might have such as a vertical mouse or using a second mouse/trackball to click using your off hand. With usb interfaces you can have two pointer devices plugged in and working at the same time, one to move the cursor one to do clicking which may help. --Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.--
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:23:00 - [4] hi cat here while i think that games and indeed all computing actions should be controlled with sheer telekinesis and perhaps winking i have come to the conclusion that input devices do unfortunately currently require some degree of mechanical action lol now while that is all well and good i have a concern that if gamers bring forth complaints and lawsuits etc then that will make my case for rsi in the workplace a little harder to manage thanks to the dam culture you guys are creating i mean you have a choice in this situation but while i do works so i can afford kitty litter then if everyone and their stupid dog is bawing about pi then what about me and my stupid spreadsheets and the amount of clicks i have to do in the line of duty in fact i want a little plaque by my desk that says something honourable relating to rsi and also i can point at it when my co workers say i aint doing any work lol i think this is something that needs to be considered i mean pi isnt a job or at least it shouldnt be but ultimately i think that as you are given a choice to do 3.141... then thats your choice not ccp lol x EVE Garden
Snowmann	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Hydroz0rz I believe Pi should be comfortable if you have 5 planets or 100 planets. I don't agree. Just like trying to mange 1 versus 10 minning barges, or 1 versus 10 mission runners, running significantly more planets should require significantly more effort. Yes, PI requires too many clicks to manange as of now, but you chose to manage that many. Any physical issues are your own fault. You should know your limitations, and this isn't a job requirement. I tested PI and decided not to play it for those reasons.
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:29:00 - [6] Chill. CCP have already stated they will be changing PI in the next expansion, and they are aware of the excessive clicking issue. Just wait and see. Hopefully the next version will be a bit easier on your wrist. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:38:00 - [7] I have a fix for you. If it's so bad that you aren't having fun and it's getting repetitive: STOP!
Dead Jesus	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:41:00 - [8] A pain in the rear end? Try clicking with your fingers like everybody else m8.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:42:00 - [9] Pro Tip: if you don't have the patience to click 80-odd buttons every five hours, go the more profitable route and set up a factory planet near Jita. Dump in cargo twice a day, retrieve processed products, profit. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Syphon Lodian Gallente Fabled Enterprises	Posted - 2010.10.13 23:52:00 - [10] They already said they want to reduce the clickies due to the fact that too many people abandon PI, and they want pilots to pay more attention to it. Clickies are the main complaint. Oh.. and a big lolz to those who said the clickies make PI difficult and rewarding. --------------------------------------------------

HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.14 00:04:00 - [11] The next expansion is leading to simplifiied interactions - how about allowing us to presave setups and just drop on a planet
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.10.14 00:56:00 - [12] We all have seen the complaints about FPSs and the sheer amount of clicky clicky needed. This could cause medical problems such as joint pain and muscle tension maybe even tendon problems. What is the game industry doing about this issue? Has this been raised before as a possible problem? I personally run too many games and let me tell you the clicking is a pain in the rear end, I believe games should be comfortable if you have 5 hours or 100 hours per week. I am hoping there will be a 1 click option to kill everyone on the server going on a desired time frame on a patch not too far from now.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.10.14 01:16:00 - [13] Every single thing in eve requires alot of clicking.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.10.14 04:14:00 - [14] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 14/10/2010 04:18:07 Originally by: Hari Markkus This type of post really annoys me. I suffer from a chronic condition where my joints are slowly falling apart. Yet I manage to run my PI installations well enough. But instead of saying that you find the PI clickfest boring, or that your ADHD means that you have the concentration span of a hyperactive gerbil, you instead make up a totally fallacious reason why you want PI changed to easy mode. I hope CCP doubles the amount of clicks needed to run a PI installation in response to your pathetic post. Dude, your condition in no way negates the fact that after I setup PI for two accounts my wrist hurt for a week afterwards. And that wrist has been "conditioned" from lots of repetitive movements since I don't date that often, if you know what I mean. Seriously, my PI skills are now two levels higher than when I started and I have no plans of re-doing my installations until CCP changes the amount of clicks. I would really like to change my production. Not going to happen until there are improvements. I once figured out how many clicks it would take to setup PI for two characters. It was on the order of +1000 clicks if I recall correctly. That's just absurd! There is so much room to streamline the setup process that it's ridiculous that they're not implemented. Why must I make 5 clicks for each route I want to set, multiplied by the number of extractors? If I remember it's something like inventory, item, route, destination, route. How about inventory, item, destination? That's a 40% reduction in clicks for that process right there. And there are still more improvements else where. If CCP wants PI to be a time sink, fine. Add some time delays in the process. You know, the 30second timer so infamously used everywhere else in the game could be applied to each time you click on something. shrugs
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.10.14 04:33:00 - [15] I used to trade and I had to update 200+ orders every day (which is actually some-what normal for most traders if not on the light side). I got tired of doing that, so I stopped.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.14 04:53:00 - [16] I didn't know that 3. 1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989... could cause health problems? Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.14 04:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Zions Child I didn't know that 3. 1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989... could cause health problems? I am now suffering Carpal-Tunnel in my eyes due to the fact i read every one of those numbers. Carpal-Tunnel. In my eyes. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.14 04:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Zions Child I didn't know that 3. 1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989... could cause health problems? I am now suffering Carpal-Tunnel in my eyes due to the fact i read every one of those numbers. Carpal-Tunnel. In my eyes. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.10.14 04:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zions Child I didn't know that 3. 1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989... could cause health problems? I am now suffering Carpal-Tunnel in my eyes due to the fact i read every one of those numbers. Carpal-Tunnel. In my eyes. Quick, introduce your eye to some salt. --Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.--
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.10.14 05:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Bhattran Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zions Child I didn't know that 3. 1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989... could cause health problems? I am now suffering Carpal-Tunnel in my eyes due to the fact i read every one of those numbers. Carpal-Tunnel. In my eyes. Quick, introduce your eye to some salt. OOhh.. MMyy.. GGoodd.. TThhaatt aaccttuuaallllyy wwoorrkkeedd!! TThhee ppaaiinn iinn mmyy eeyyee iiss nnooww ggoonnee!! hhoollyy ccrraapp!! AAnnyy eessttiimmaattee ooff wwhheenn tthhee ssliigghhtt ssiiddee eeffffeecctt ooff mmee sseeeeiinngg ttwwoo ooff eevveerryytthhiinngg iinn oonnee eeyyee aanndd nnootthhiinngg iinn tthhee ootthheerr wwiillll wweeaarr ooffff?? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.

Terminal Insanity Minmatar Foundation	Posted - 2010.10.14 05:05:00 - [21] I agree with the OP I enjoy smoking, but the tobacco is giving me cancer, so i dont stop. Why shouldnt i be allowed to smoke cigarettes without cancer? I like to drink liquids, but the ones under the counter make me really sick, this should also be fixed, its not right that they give me a liquid that looks like green koolaid yet im not allowed to drink it??? Also, my legs are broken, but they still advertise bikes, its highly offensive to see these bikes on sale and not be able to ride them.
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.10.14 05:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Bhattran Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zions Child I didn't know that 3. 1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989... could cause health problems? I am now suffering Carpal-Tunnel in my eyes due to the fact i read every one of those numbers. Carpal-Tunnel. In my eyes. Quick, introduce your eye to some salt. OOhh.. MMyy.. GGoodd.. TThhaatt aaccttuuaallllyy wwoorrkkeedd!! TThhee ppaaiinn iinn mmyy eeyyee iiss nnooww ggoonnee!! hhoollyy ccrraapp!! AAnnyy eessttiimmaattee ooff wwhheenn tthhee ssliigghhtt ssiiddee eeffffeecctt ooff mmee sseeeeiinngg ttwwoo ooff eevveerryytthhiinngg iinn oonnee eeyyee aanndd nnootthhiinngg iinn tthhee ootthheerr wwiillll wweeaarr ooffff?? Sure, that information will cost you one plex. --Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.--
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.14 05:43:00 - [23] Edited by: Zions Child on 14/10/2010 05:44:27 Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Zions Child I didn't know that 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 7982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381 9644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412 7372458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160 9433057270365759591953092186117381932611793105118548074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011949 1298336733624406566430860213949463952247371907021798609437027705392171762931767523846748184676694051 3200056812714526356082778577134275778960917363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892 3542019956112129021960864034418159813629774771309960518707211349999998372978049951059731732816096318 5950244594553469083026425223082533446850352619311881710100031378387528865875332083814206171776691473 0359825349042875546873115956286388235378759375195778185778053217122680661300192787661119590921642019 8938095257201065485863278865936153381827968230301952035301852968995773622599413891249721775283479131 5155748572424541506959508295331168617278558890750983817546374649393192550604009277016711390098488240 1285836160356370766010471018194295559619894676783744944825537977472684710404753464620804668425906949 1293313677028989152104752162056966024058038150193511253382430035587640247496473263914199272604269922 7967823547816360093417216412199245863150302861829745557067498385054945885869269956909272107975093029 5532116534498720275596023648066549911988183479775356636980742654252786255181841757467289097777279380 0081647060016145249192173217214772350141441973568548161361157352552133475741849468438523323907394143 3345477624168625189835694855620992192221842725502542568876717904946016534668049886272327917860857843 8382796797668145410095388378636095068006422512520511739298489608412848862694560424196528502221066118 6306744278622039194945047123713786960956364371917287467764657573962413890865832645995813390478027590 0994657640789512694683983525957098258226205224894077267194782684826014769909026401363944374553050682 0349625245174939965143142980919065925093722169646151570985838741059788595977297549893016175392846813 8268683868942774155991855925245953959431049972524680845987273644695848653836736222626099124608051243 8843904512441365497627807977156914359977001296160894416948685558484063534220722258284886481584560285 0601684273945226746767889525213852254995466672782398645659611635488623057745649803559363456817432411 2515076069479451096596094025228879710893145669136867228748940560101503308617928680920874760917824938 5890097149096759852613655497818931297848216829989487226588048575640142704775551323796414515237462343 6454285844479526586782105114135473573952311342716610213596953623144295248493718711014576540359027993 4403742007310578539062198387447808478489683321445713868751943506430218453191048481005370614680674919 2781911979399520614196634287544406437451237181921799983910159195618146751426912397489409071864942319 6156794520809514655022523160388193014209376213785595663893778708303906979207734672218256259966150142 1503068038447734549202605414665925201497442850732518666002132434088190710486331734649651453905796268 5610055081066587969981635747363840525714591028970641401109712062804390397595156771577004203378699360 0723055876317635942187312514712053292819182618612586732157919841484882916447060957527069572209175671 1672291098169091528017350671274858322287183520935396572512108357915136988209144421006751033467110314 12 could cause health problems? I am now suffering Carpal-Tunnel in my eyes due to the fact i read every one of those numbers. Carpal-Tunnel. In my eyes. This can't possibly be annoying. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Vurshachka	Posted - 2010.10.14 06:57:00 - [24] just use some extra button and put there double click, it will fix your problem.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.10.14 07:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Hari Markkus I hope CCP doubles the amount of clicks needed to run a PI installation in response to your pathetic post.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.10.14 07:36:00 - [26] 8/10 troll ? Don't really know because I haven't tried PI .... its a shame NPCs don't do that sort of drudgery... ... and what do you expect by volunteering to play doing work that used to be done by wage slaves.
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.10.14 07:56:00 - [27] Far too many clicks needed to win Eve. I should be able to log on, press the 'Win Eve' button, sit back and feel awesome.
cheet sheet	Posted - 2010.10.14 08:54:00 - [28] You are what's wrong with eve stfu......... htfu......... Or GTFO
Vak'ran	Posted - 2010.10.14 09:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Noun Verber I have a fix for you. If it's so bad that you aren't having fun and it's getting repetitive: STOP! This is what most people who tried it are doing, CCP is aware of that, they are making changes. This thread is thus unneeded, and the health hazard angle is moronic, done to death, not even remotely funny, and it shows the OP is a selfish bastard. Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.14 09:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Vak'ran This thread is thus unneeded, and the health hazard angle is moronic, done to death, not even remotely funny, and it shows the OP is a selfish bastard. Hey you perfectly described THE EvE player (italics) and his posts! Odd you see them as unneeded - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz



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