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Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.10.16 04:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Xylopia Originally by: Ash Donai re: icons they should just adopt the killboard ones, F for faction etc., not that hard really You know what? I'd rather very glad if they can put a simple column that shows meta levels, not some pretty color tag like that. Don't even look at inconsistency occurring between killboard and ingame icon. It's just typical CCP thing, y'know? Or how about sorting the item window by meta?
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2010.10.16 06:56:00 - [62] About time \o/ Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Vitamin B12	Posted - 2010.10.16 09:05:00 - [63] and another profession goes to the macro/bot section. thanks ccp --- Corporations for Highsec pos anchoring. Only a fee of 75 Million ISK. click
clixoras	Posted - 2010.10.17 09:58:00 - [64] I applaud loudly. Contracts were broken, you cant change orders so you get .1 isked (1m isked) and there goes your contract for 2 weeks. Unless you controlled markets, and i expect the tears come from these few people. But i don't see the problem, margins will be similar.. except for scammers.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2010.10.17 11:17:00 - [65] Originally by: clixoras I applaud loudly. Contracts were broken, you cant change orders so you get .1 isked (1m isked) and there goes your contract for 2 weeks. If faction ships end up in the normal market the'll get "0.1 isked" way faster than on contract. It will become way harder for people not into trading to sell their stuff, as "fulltime" in station traders will underbid less active people way more often than on contract, because they would have to pay that extra contract fee and extra work to recreate a contract. For unrigged ships sold on market I expect a faster adjustment in price than on contract today... which again would have an influence on rigged ships sales. Rigged and fitted ships still would have to get sold via contract? With that extra contract fee? I'd expect the value of fitted rigs to go down even further when it comes to selling rigged ships.
clixoras	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:07:00 - [66] Originally by: Lederstrumpf Originally by: clixoras I applaud loudly. Contracts were broken, you cant change orders so you get .1 isked (1m isked) and there goes your contract for 2 weeks. If faction ships end up in the normal market the'll get "0.1 isked" way faster than on contract. It will become way harder for people not into trading to sell their stuff, as "fulltime" in station traders will underbid less active people way more often than on contract, because they would have to pay that extra contract fee and extra work to recreate a contract. For unrigged ships sold on market I expect a faster adjustment in price than on contract today... which again would have an influence on rigged ships sales. Rigged and fitted ships still would have to get sold via contract? With that extra contract fee? I'd expect the value of fitted rigs to go down even further when it comes to selling rigged ships. working as intended. casual seller are supposed to sell to buy orders ;)
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:12:00 - [67] Originally by: clixoras Contracts were broken, you cant change orders so you get .1 isked (1m isked) and there goes your contract for 2 weeks. 10% penalty for deleting contract to relist is the ONLY thing keeping faction ship prices stable. Otherwise lemmings would pull this wole corner of the market down to 1% profitability (or below, after all BPC was free, right?)
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:42:00 - [68] Originally by: Rasz Lin Originally by: clixoras Contracts were broken, you cant change orders so you get .1 isked (1m isked) and there goes your contract for 2 weeks. 10% penalty for deleting contract to relist is the ONLY thing keeping faction ship prices stable. Otherwise lemmings would pull this wole corner of the market down to 1% profitability (or below, after all BPC was free, right?) Not free but totally cheap for sure. I recall when I traded I stopped caring for how much something was really worth for (a web site said what to reprocess anyway, in case it was the best income). What counted was just the spread, so it was not uncommon to see people war-trade down to production cost, they were not those who produced the good so they were not interested seeing the profit squashed to dwarf amounts. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Aristeia Cersei	Posted - 2010.10.17 16:00:00 - [69] Pretty much will make faction ships harder to sell for those that don't do .01 wars in Jita all day..
Ximano	Posted - 2010.10.17 22:34:00 - [70] Originally by: satane http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4111/hurk.jpg well there goes the contract system ... Most will like this new feature, poeple like me wont, Finally CCP does something wise. Can't wait.
The Geoman Gallente Anarchos Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.18 04:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Aristeia Cersei Pretty much will make faction ships harder to sell for those that don't do .01 wars in Jita all day.. Faction ships already give lousy LP/isk returns, and this is only going to get worse for those playing that market.
Roosterton Internet Spaceship Raiders	Posted - 2010.10.18 14:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Vitamin B12 and another profession goes to the macro/bot section. thanks ccp I'm pretty sure that a very good amount of Jita "faction ship" scammers were also bots... -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.18 14:58:00 - [73] Originally by: Roosterton I'm pretty sure that a very good amount of Jita "faction ship" scammers were also bots... It doesn't take a bot to list a Raven as a CNR.
Scott McClellan Forum Posters Anonymous	Posted - 2010.10.18 16:03:00 - [74] Edited by: Scott McClellan on 18/10/2010 16:04:34 Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Roosterton I'm pretty sure that a very good amount of Jita "faction ship" scammers were also bots... It doesn't take a bot to list a Raven as a CNR. It doesn't take a bot to do anything, they're just used when the task doesn't require a human. See: Mining Ratting Plexing Missions PI Market .01 Eve Online
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.18 18:45:00 - [75] Originally by: Guilliman R Am I the only one who thinks this is a great but above all, logical change? Contracts are great for selling/buying items/ships in packages (with fittings, ammo, fuel, etc etc). Add to that rigged ships BPC and researched BPO and similar items. Essentially the market is there to sell the "standard" version of a item (even if it is a officer module or a faction ship), the contracts are there to sell the "unique" version of item or to sell to a restricted/specific audience (corpmates, direct contracts between 2 players and so on). Seem pretty logic.
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2010.10.18 18:52:00 - [76] Originally by: Rasz Lin Edited by: Rasz Lin on 14/10/2010 02:47:28 Edit: on the other hand it will lower entry barrier and introduce 0.01 isking idiots :/ you mean market traders? we are better than those part timers who drop bulk onto the market at half the sale price.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.10.18 19:23:00 - [77] I don't mind this change so long as Contracts have a peropus. They can't be just the BPO/BPC Selling Mechanism.. Technically they could get away with added every single item that could be repacked on the market, including Officer mods etc. Because once repacked they are exactly the same as every other of the same type. What they could do is expand on EVE's contracts by literally adding wear to T2/T3 items/ships. Once they are damaged they are never really fully "Undamaged" and can't be repacked. Sure you could take off all the mods and remove the rigs if you wanted to, but if it's damaged it has a 0.000000001% non-fixable hitpoint preventing them from being repacked. Remove the "Damaged" requirement from Contracts and call it golden. The idea is to filter how many T2/T3 ships and items get purchased to be resold or purchased to be used and later sold. The statistical distinction should make Dr.E wet his pants! and it would be extremely nice to get an idea of trends etc. It adds a layer of complexity to general trade as well. Sure the "Contract" Item is damaged a little but statistically it's for a very small amount of damage that wouldn't make a difference. It's not like people can't "repair" the item to almost brand-new but just missing like 0.000000001 HP. This would change market behavior people that want to manipulate items are limited to the number of contracts they can have, and any brand new items on market. Much more difficult to control. Which one will determine "price", contract items or new items. CCP Will not jump on this though, it would make Contracts MASSIVE and I believe the reason they are making this change is because they want to narrow the amount of items on contract to simply to lower the number of contracts the system has to hold. Amarr for Life
Cousin Tom	Posted - 2010.10.18 19:58:00 - [78] I fail to see the negative in this. Contracts will still be used for courier good movement at the minimum. Moving all the scam-ridden (scammers who are raging, you need to move up in the world, there are far bigger fish to fry than contract schemes) ships and modules to the marketplace is nothing short of a great buff to diversifying my portfolio. Thank you ccp.
garus banta	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Confirmed, CCP has just ruined the faction ship market. Good job. Well that was my last straw. I am on my way out CCP. Thank you for a good experience while it lasted until you started **ing up. You need to check with the player base before you do ** like this. All your stuffs now belong to me? May I take?
Netheranthem	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:45:00 - [80] Originally by: garus banta Originally by: Zelot Blueice Confirmed, CCP has just ruined the faction ship market. Good job. Well that was my last straw. I am on my way out CCP. Thank you for a good experience while it lasted until you started **ing up. You need to check with the player base before you do ** like this. All your stuffs now belong to me? May I take? Yeah, I loved this guy. Somewhere between troll and scammer imo :)
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:04:00 - [81] doesnt no contracts = no more courier contracts = no more red frog freight ect
Tiaka McKenzie	Posted - 2010.10.19 03:35:00 - [82] I don't get why some ppl always talking about scammers. It's not like contratcs are only used by scammers. it's not even the case that the majority of contracts are scams. so who cares about these few scammers? If someone really falls for one of these scams, he well deserves it. come on, it's not asked for too much to read a contract before accepting it. and if you really read it, you can't be fooled. you don't even have to count zeros anymore. they already changed it so it clearly says 20 million or 20 billion. seriously how hard can that be to realize the difference between 20 million and 20 billion? theres absolutely none improvement if faction ships are moved into the market. for a buyer it makes no difference at all if he buys his shiny new cnr through the market or through contracts. but now a buyer isn't able anymore to compare prices in all regions without beeing there. today you can sit in the deepest null space and search for the cheapest cnr in all regions. if faction ships are moved into the market, you have to visit each region to compare prices. that's not an improvement, that's a time consuming disadvantage. for contract traders it's just removing part of the game they liked to play. and as someone already said, the penality of contract relisting prevents faction ship prices from falling like a rock. i don't think mission runners will like it much to get even less for their lp then today. also none improvement on this side.
jwingenderowns	Posted - 2010.10.19 03:59:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Kragaar Good stuff, is there any plan in the future to add faction modules to the market along with the faction ships? There is, it will naturally take longer to do since there is so many of them and with some modules lots of variations. For now, we just wanted the best stuff up there which was the most requested, being the other ships you can all fly. Let the "OMG WTF, they are killing contracts!!1one!" whining continue.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.19 04:07:00 - [84] Straight buy and sell of individual items should have never been the focus of any contracts, but thanks to "technical limitations", they were. Contracts STILL remain the only reasonable way to exchange fitted ships, larger quantities of items of different types, BPCs, and also for auctioning off stuff. Granted, the auction part could stand to be improved, but still. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.19 06:43:00 - [85] Originally by: SencneS Because once repacked they are exactly the same as every other of the same type. What they could do is expand on EVE's contracts by literally adding wear to T2/T3 items/ships. Once they are damaged they are never really fully "Undamaged" and can't be repacked. "Wonderful idea". I really see how having to buy a unpackaged BS (400-500.000 m3 instead of 50.000 m3) will convince people to use more contracts. It would have the opposite effect. No one will buy a "used" ship unless there is a large discount on the hull simply for the inconvenience of moving it.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.10.19 11:46:00 - [86] I've been wanting this for years! now to wait for them to add faction items to the market too
Companion Qube	Posted - 2010.10.19 13:16:00 - [87] Edited by: Companion Qube on 19/10/2010 13:18:27 Originally by: Akita T Now if only you could at least CHECK the market prices of a different region without going there, everything would be almost perfect. I suggested that a while back - all they'd have to do is put in another pulldown in the market interface that let you pick the region you want to look at. e: I'm p.sure the forge's market server would melt if they actually did this
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.10.19 13:28:00 - [88] Originally by: Companion Qube I suggested that a while back - all they'd have to do is put in another pulldown in the market interface that let you pick the region you want to look at. e: I'm p.sure the forge's market server would melt if they actually did this That would be awsome.
LittleTerror	Posted - 2010.10.19 14:18:00 - [89] I welcome this change, contracts suck, they **** me off.
Angelo Doelman	Posted - 2010.10.19 15:15:00 - [90] Originally by: My Postman OMG! I can see some ppl go broke, as every CNR sold after the patch actually WILL BE a CNR. Actually want to know how many where scammed buying a faction ship. And this will drive down some of those horribly overpriced items as well (if modules will be included)! +1 for nerfing scammers CCP! I am not certant how scamming is really possible. I mean, you people actually pay attention to local there? If I'm out buying a faction ship or whatnot, there is a field in the contract search for "Exact Match"... I type in a chunk of the ship name or whatever and I get a select box which goes "What are you looking for" then I click on that and boom, I get a list of all the contracts for only that exact ship. Oh, it also goes without saying that you set the Type to Item Exchange and the minimum value to 1 isk. This removes all the WTB orders. Never has failed me and the top seller is the cheapest, provided that I've requested it to be ordered that way. But then again, I don't really quite get how scammers win... but I guess I've been given slightly more intelligence than a football.

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