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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:11:00 -
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In every forum I frequent, the problems seem to be the same. Players apparently do not have the spine to use their main characters to cheat, exploit others, run scams, or make offensive forum posts.
It seems to me that the one clear solution is to eliminate alts altogether. Seeing that they can't be trained alongside the main character, most people who want a serious alt are already paying for multiple accounts. As a single-account player, I can say that I'm content with having just one character to play and develop.
I see alts as nothing but disposable character with which to cause problems for everyone. CCP could alleviate a lot of headaches for players and their staff by removing them altogether.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Kendar Zek
In every forum I frequent, the problems seem to be the same. Players apparently do not have the spine to use their main characters to cheat, exploit others, run scams, or make offensive forum posts.
It seems to me that the one clear solution is to eliminate alts altogether. Seeing that they can't be trained alongside the main character, most people who want a serious alt are already paying for multiple accounts. As a single-account player, I can say that I'm content with having just one character to play and develop.
I see alts as nothing but disposable character with which to cause problems for everyone. CCP could alleviate a lot of headaches for players and their staff by removing them altogether.
yeah thats the mentality, punish the innocent many, for the actions of the guilty few
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:36:00 -
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I think that alts are teh ebil, but they are in now and a lot of players do use them properly... however...
As I suggested in some other thread - people that use alts to grief (that includes strip mining in hi sec space  ) need fixing.
My idea was that those that are petitioned and punished for griefing have the offending character *deleted*, and the character slot removed from their account. If they offend more than once they will only have their main character left.
Only hardcore griefers that want to keep signing up for new accounts would be a problem then.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:37:00 -
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Removing alts is a bad idea, theyre pretty usefull ingame.
All CCP has to do is link all 3 alts together, show us which alt belongs to which main and the problem will solve itself...
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Lunaticdie04
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:38:00 -
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Some of us can't afford multiple accounts and use same account alts to keep small personal corps active or to put out buy/sell orders in different regions or to make funny looking characters when we're bored. Please dont kill our alts :/
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:45:00 -
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Remove alts? No. Allow some way to see who's alts belong to who? Yes.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:48:00 -
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Oh and i forgot one point, Alt Deletion should double every time someone deletes an alt.
The base deletion time should be 48 hours
That will fix the Kamikazie Alt gankers for a bit.
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Stregone
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:48:00 -
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One char per account is healthy for the game in many different ways. The griefer aspect is a big one. There's also the jack-of-all-trades aspect. Right now you can have an alt for anything your main can't do well. This makes people who have mains who specialize in those other areas (production, research, mining, and etc.) almost pointless because most people can do it themselves.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:51:00 -
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Well sure you can be mediocre at a lot of things, but only a main can be really good at something. Either you spread your training across 2 or 3 characters and have them all mediocre at what they do or you pour all your training into one char and have him very good at what he does.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.01.05 02:57:00 -
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See that thread "Supremecy - lamers of the year"? That's why we need a way to see who's alt is who's.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
See that thread "Supremecy - lamers of the year"? That's why we need a way to see who's alt is who's.
Classic.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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VeniVidi Vici
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:05:00 -
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very good idea. 
=Joshua Foiritain]Oh and i forgot one point, Alt Deletion should double every time someone deletes an alt.
The base deletion time should be 48 hours
That will fix the Kamikazie Alt gankers for a bit.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
yeah thats the mentality, punish the innocent many, for the actions of the guilty few
Kill them all, let god sort them out !
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Dawg
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:16:00 -
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I like my Alts.
They allow me to post here without my corp being judged on the basis of my opinion.
Also There still holding Names from the big name grab game when the game went Gold
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Fuse
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Remove alts? No. Allow some way to see who's alts belong to who? Yes.
/me Agrees.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:21:00 -
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Eve is supposed to be a game of consequences. I quit playing for about four months early last year. When I came back I wanted to join PIE. Problem is my character from Beta was Caldari. I petitioned to ask CCP to change the race of my character (not even the name just the race) so I could join PIE (all Amarr corp). They refused.
They said "Eve is a game of consequences and you need to live with the reputation you've made for yourself".
I can understand that. So lets have that now.
Alt's are being used to grief miners (see the Barge Killer thread on forum). They can make a new alt a day with Kestrel skills from creation and gank all day then just terminate them at bedtime and make a new one the next day. Pure griefing plain and simple.
And you know what the problem is? They're doing it without consequence. Oh sure they get clobbured by Concord when they gank a barge but who cares? Kestrels are cheap and alts are free. Where is the real consequence?
A real consequence would be to show the rest of Eve who the OTHER CHARACTERS of these losers are. Let thier mains live with the "reputation" they have built for themselves. An account should be one reputation not just a character.
I know people use alts for mining, research, agent running, just about everything (I know I do). I have no problem with alts. But lets bring them into the light and force people to live with the consequences CCP says they're so concerned about.
Archbishop
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:41:00 -
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My corp is at war. I use an alt to transport highly valuable items (tech2 bpos).
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Dau Imperius
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:51:00 -
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Once again Arch is on the ball.
We know this topic has been discussed many a time.
CCP face it, start letting us know whos alts are belonging to who in some way. It's an easier start then trying to get rid of alts, which is punishing those who use them for decent purposes, and easier to keep track of who's in need of a good banning from being just brainless (again see Barge Miner Killers)
Aye it might make alts a target as well, but hey I'd rather know that alt is from a decent person with respect, and that they are part of another group, then from some griefer just looking for trouble. Indeed like Arch got told by CCP, let them face the consequences of their actions. Time to show who's alt is who since they are getting exploited big time.
And no I don't use alts.
These threads are just going to keep popping up until 'something' gets rammed down CCP's throats that the system ain't working. I know they have enough problems but this subject is easily correctable in some way...someones just got to have the balls to say 'fine, let's do it.'
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.01.05 03:55:00 -
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I doubt it is possible to remove trial accounts. My suggestion for the future, or EVE 2, would be to use a first name/last name system. You choose a last name for your account and it will then be used as a last name for all characters, while the first names will be different. That way you can always identify what "family" tha character is from. 
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:09:00 -
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See now that's an idea, why don't we do that =P
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
See now that's an idea, why don't we do that =P
Because I'm a moderator, not a dev? 
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:26:00 -
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Signed. Show alt ownership. If peoople want alt spies, suiciders they should have to pay CCP for another account or be known.
Infinity Ziona
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:28:00 -
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Charge people an extra $5 for an alt every month. It would be worth it for some/most people and many people would probably pay it but there are those that do the exploit/whatever they do that wouldn't want to pay the extra $5 per alt, per month.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:31:00 -
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Quote:
"I doubt it is possible to remove trial accounts. My suggestion for the future, or EVE 2, would be to use a first name/last name system. You choose a last name for your account and it will then be used as a last name for all characters, while the first names will be different. That way you can always identify what "family" tha character is from. "
Now theres a good idea!!!!
That way the scumbags can be forced to "pay for their crimes".
Archbishop
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Brunis
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:31:00 -
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If CCP can give half of the playerbase a free xmas gift (reimburse ships 2 times without taking insurance) then they can also take the flaming and *****ing they will get for removing the alts!
Remove the alts please!
/Brunis
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Vox
Charge people an extra $5 for an alt every month. It would be worth it for some/most people and many people would probably pay it but there are those that do the exploit/whatever they do that wouldn't want to pay the extra $5 per alt, per month.
Rubbish, you think someone whos here to **** others off, is going to be less likely to pay for an alt than a legit player? Their attitude alone makes them more likely... and every multiplayer game with hacks shows this.
Charge them $5 to scrap a character, sure... but dont punish the thousands of inocents who use their alts for practical reasons...
Like petitioning being stuck!
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:47:00 -
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W0rmy it would be $5 per alt mate. That would add up rather quickly with people like the Kestrel types. They've made about 20 so far that's $100 alone just for the alts their making plus the mains they have. The legit people would pay the $5 a month and maybe CCP could set something up like once it exists for X amount of months the fee disappears and you don't get charged anything but I think charging people to make them would be a start.
Charging to kill a character isn't feasible in the act since some people decide to start characters over and terminate their mains and being charged $5 to terminate your main to start over wouldn't be cool imho.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Vox
W0rmy it would be $5 per alt mate. That would add up rather quickly with people like the Kestrel types. They've made about 20 so far that's $100 alone just for the alts their making plus the mains they have.
You expect people to pay for alts they no longer use? They can only have 2 at any one time.... the same as everyone else. thats $10 a month.
And why should I be charged $5 a month, for having an alt on hand to use to petition getting stuck?
I honestly cant believe people suggesting more means for CCP to get money out of us. 
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.01.05 04:52:00 -
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Im thinking of all the poor guys having to pay the extra monthly fee here when I say:
$5 to delete an alt
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Plim
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Posted - 2005.01.05 05:12:00 -
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Why on earth even make a thread asking for the removal of alts? The reasons as to why that would be a bad idea are so numerous and obvious, that even proposing the idea seems baffling.
What if someone dosent have a "main"? And they have skill points spread out over all three characters? There's probably alot of people who do that. And there is no way CCP are going to purposely irritate them to the point that they might quit, by nerfing most of time they have spent playing the game (ok ok I know the bugs already do that). And as has already been pointed out, the majority of people don't abuse alts, just certain idiots.
Also what if someone wants to use all three characters for roleplaying? Someone could have a "good" and a "bad" character for example.
Removing alts = never going to happen, because numerous people who have trained up skills for months on alts will go bonkers tbh.
That said, I think CCP should have only allowed people to have 1 character from the start...
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