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Durzel
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:20:00 -
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I tend to think that the prevalence of capitals in lower class wormholes is a double-edged sword.
Since access to their wormhole is much easier than C4s+ then there is a far greater chance in my opinion that people will see them and then camp out in their holes waiting for them to use them, or simply rustle up enough T3 BCs to RF their POS leaving them no option but to fight or lose it.
Capitals in higher class wormholes, perhaps not C6 due to the limited number of them, are perversely more safer - unless they're actually being proactively used in combat - because access is infrequent and more tightly controlled (it's arguably easier to collapse a C5/C6 hole with Orcas + capital than it is trying to collapse a static D845 with Orcas)
I don't really have a massive problem with people building capitals in C1-C3, but my attitude is that you can sheer a sheep many times but you can only skin it once. Unless you are "grrrrrr I must evict them for some unfathomable reason even though I have no vested interest in living there" then how are those capitals affecting you? You might catch them out of POS, you might get them to drop them on a disposable bait POS... there are plenty of options if you're willing to think outside the box.
With respect to Two Step I think his mindset is rooted firmly in the playstyles of people who live in C6s - who are often a chain away from k-space and thus logistics and the need to jump between clones in w-space is a greater concern. Those of us who hop in and out of lower class wormholes from Empire - the vast majority of people I'd wager - have used and will continue to use a multitude of tools to prise people out of their POSes. Capitals in lower class wormholes only become an issue if you want to evict someone - and who really wants to bother doing that unless they want to move in themselves? It's not as if selling wormholes is particularly profitable compared to most other activities. |
Durzel
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:41:00 -
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Meytal wrote:
Because of the ease in which it is possible to flood a C2/HS system with invading forces compared to the difficulty in doing the same thing in a C6, I maintain that a C2/HS/? is more dangerous to live in than a C6/C6.
Quoted for truth. Same applies to C3 with static high too.
The argument that residents with capitals in lower class wormholes have an unfair advantage is a strange one since all you have to go is get a cloaky prober inside on of these holes and then you can just keep rolling the highsec until you get enough people in to do anything you want, and statistically more people are going to see those capitals being used or floating in POS so the risks are considerably higher.
C6s are a bit of a strange anomaly simply because you can chain-collapse to get the C6 you want, but I don't think game design should be based entirely upon the lack of easy access to station facilities when you live in C5+ - to be honest I'd go as far as to say that's one of the tradeoffs of considerably higher profits made in said holes.
I feel that the whole idea of POSes-that-are-stations-only-not-called-stations kinda reeks of a desire for wormhole sovereignty. POSes have problems in general and specifically in w-space that are widely known, I don't think anyone is disputing that, but I don't believe sweeping changes are needed that tend to solely benefit people that just coincidentally have infrequent access to empire stations..... |
Durzel
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:00:00 -
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Roles and hangar access granularity is something CCP ought to fix, but it's not something specific to POSes nor does it merit a POS overhaul.
I agree that the current system of having individual members needing to maintain their own POS with its own password because member X can access tab Y in every single CHA, and you can either access a SMA or you can't, is dumb beyond belief.
Bearing in mind the basic principal of w-space in that it was intended to be a nomadic existence, besides T3 refitting, access permissions not being granular enough and Skynet defence settings - what is fundamentally broken about POSes that merit this kind of overhaul? If, for example, every wormhole of every class had permanent highsec access* - would these "crushing usability flaws" be such a big deal?
I'm one of those people that can see value in being able to watch someone whilst cloaked, be able to tell when they're about to run a site, or warp off to a wormhole, or moving towards their SMA to ship up, etc. All of this would be removed by being able to dock and would cripple solo/small gang opportunistic ganking.
* I'm not suggesting this obviously - I'm pointing out the potential bias in people from C6s whining about how they have to probe chains to be able to do "station stuff" |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:52:00 -
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Assuming a C1-C3 with static highsec you could RF someones tower and be back to finish it off easily, on your terms. Even without hole control you can get people in with no difficulties, dramas or delays.
Either the victims are going to log off their caps, SD them inside the POS shield, or lose them to the attackers.
Capitals are only a deterrent if you're prepared to use them, otherwise they're just ornaments, and in lower classes I'd wager they are more of an incitement for someone to camp out in your wormhole for a few days than anything else. The sort of corps that tend to have them in lower class wormholes are - generally speaking - ones that are ill equipped to deal with someone attacking their tower and/or have just the right amount of hubris to drop them on bait ships/POSes.
As the saying goes, bigger s**ts attract more flies. |
Durzel
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Posted - 2012.08.16 09:51:00 -
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Two step wrote:I'm basing it on my experience, and talking to lots of people. I don't think capitals are the be all and end all, but they are a tremendous people multiplier. A triage carrier in a C1 where no Bhaalgorns can come in and neut it is very powerful.
How big a problem is this really though? Are you concerned about it out of general principal or are you seriously concerned that a small / carebear corp (why else would they be in a C1?) are making less ISK than L4 missions or Incursions from their sites have a capital that is a little more awkward to take down because you can't chuck full neut Bhaals at it?
That's such an appealing to extremes fallacy that it's tough to take what you're saying seriously if it's said earnestly.
if a corp has a triage capable carrier pilot what are they doing wasting their time in a C1? For that matter, why are they in a C1 full stop?
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Durzel
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Posted - 2012.09.17 08:37:00 -
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To be honest T3 BCs and the ease of access to lower class wormholes (relative to C5+), coupled with the vastly increased likelihood of a motivated force seeing your capital(s) and deciding to take a punt on reinforcing your tower, means the system is broadly working fine imo.
Capitals in lower class wormholes are not invulnerable, and neither are POSes - large or small. |
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