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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.17 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 17/10/2010 07:33:25
Not an exaggeration or a joke. I'm being totally serious. It's not a new mouse, however I bought it brand new a few months ago.
Anyways, after countless clicks today while messing with PI, the left button on my mouse ceased to work. Its springiness first started giving out then the electric contacts in the button itself stopped working.
I'm borrowing my roommates mouse for the time being, but I just found it funny and thought it was worth mentioning.
PI broke my mouse. 
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.10.17 07:42:00 -
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You're doing it wrong?
Try not clicking so hard, as enraging as extractors can be.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.17 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 17/10/2010 08:23:09
Well, just to give you an idea on how many clicks I have to do:
I have six characters.
Each character has 5 CC's.
Each CC has around 21 installations.
Half of those installations are extractors.
Each extractor requires 4 clicks to get it running.
This is done and repeated every 6 hours.
Doing the math...
An average of 6,048 clicks per day is required to keep PI going. That count is not taking into consideration the amount of clicks required to get it all set up to begin with. Not to mention the 3 hours in total per day required just to do all this clicking, let alone doing anything else ingame.
If Extractor Grouping was implemented in the winter expansion, it would cut that figure down to around 480 clicks per day.
That's roughly a 91% reduction in clicks.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
The Makhai
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Posted - 2010.10.17 08:26:00 -
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diablo 1 and 2 broke my G7 :( (was $150 mouse at the time)
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2010.10.17 08:27:00 -
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Funny, I had a 29.99GBP mouse for about 6 years now. I played all kinda of games with it. I recently opened it and cleaned it but I never had any problems with it as in it actually breaking.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.10.17 08:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Cyprus Black
I have six characters.
Each character has 5 CC's.
Each CC has around 21 installations.
Half of those installations are extractors.
Each extractor requires 4 clicks to get it running.
This is done and repeated every 6 hours.
This is exactly the reason why they should double the amount of cliking needed.
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Dirk Swan
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Posted - 2010.10.17 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Swan on 17/10/2010 09:27:23
I have the original Microsoft Trackball Explorer mouse. New it was $75 now it cost $500 for a new one if you can find it. PI started to destroy it so I quit PI. In the time it takes make ISK with PI I can make more mining.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.10.17 09:58:00 -
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Well, a typical mouse microswitch lifecycle is about 1 million cycle. If you've been hardcore diligent with your PI constructs, total mechanical failure chance increases after 1000000/6048 = 165 days ... that's about 5-6 months.
Yep, you should be able to thank Eve for that as the primary contributor, which isn't surprising really when you look at (god knows) how many GPU it burned by defaulting to un-throttled fps after install.
Replacing the microswitch is super easy if you've got soldering tools. The tricky part is obtaining the replacement microswitch which if you either need to hunt down the proper/similar model or cannibalize from a different non-working mouse.
As for mouse replacements, I'd personally recommend the average USB Logitech mouses. They're mechanically more solidly built than the generic brands (from microswitches and wheel construction) for a minor price premium ... I've yet to see one fail mechanically after going through several of them. The only problems I've encountered with my Logitechs are electrical/electronic issues .. some which was solved by replacing the elecrolytic caps in them.
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Ygar Curele
Minmatar
Aura of Darkness
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.17 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 17/10/2010 08:23:09
Well, just to give you an idea on how many clicks I have to do:
I have six characters.
Each character has 5 CC's.
Each CC has around 21 installations.
Half of those installations are extractors.
Each extractor requires 4 clicks to get it running.
This is done and repeated every 6 hours.
Highlighted your two problems. Nobody is forcing you to do PI on all six chars. And there are longer cycles available.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.10.17 10:11:00 -
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I bought an $80 mouse with buttons out of the arse once. Two buttons for this, three buttons for that, and buttons you can't possibly find a use for or use effectively if you could. It lasted maybe a few months until it just wouldn't work the way it should. The buttons lost their springiness. But it just wasn't comfortable use anymore. I threw it in my "parts" bin hoping to fix it one day. Then I bought a wireless keyboard/mouse combo for half the cost of that overpriced PoS mouse. It was the same brand. Like it's overpriced PoS bigger brother the left button lost it's springiness and began making random clicks. So whenever this happens I take the $80 mouse, unsolder one of the working buttons and use it to replace a button on my current mouse. I'm on my third button. The second button quit working shortly after I setup PI for two characters.
*thinking to myself* Wonder if I can find a use for the laser on that $80 PoS?
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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2010.10.17 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd
I bought an $80 mouse with buttons out of the arse once. Two buttons for this, three buttons for that, and buttons you can't possibly find a use for or use effectively if you could. It lasted maybe a few months until it just wouldn't work the way it should. The buttons lost their springiness. But it just wasn't comfortable use anymore. I threw it in my "parts" bin hoping to fix it one day. Then I bought a wireless keyboard/mouse combo for half the cost of that overpriced PoS mouse. It was the same brand. Like it's overpriced PoS bigger brother the left button lost it's springiness and began making random clicks. So whenever this happens I take the $80 mouse, unsolder one of the working buttons and use it to replace a button on my current mouse. I'm on my third button. The second button quit working shortly after I setup PI for two characters.
*thinking to myself* Wonder if I can find a use for the laser on that $80 PoS?
My Logitech G5 still works like brand new after 2 years. Only the logo is fading on some parts.
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Lord Xantoh
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Posted - 2010.10.17 11:17:00 -
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As long as Eve didn't break your boot.ini file ...
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
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Posted - 2010.10.17 11:41:00 -
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the problem is you bought the wrong mouse, the 10 dollar mouse at walmart will last forever
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.17 11:48:00 -
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EVE broke my touchpad 
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.17 11:52:00 -
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Yeah you can go ahead and try swapping the left and right mouse buttons to even out the clicking thereby increasing the MTBF on the buttons.
Also mice can be bought off fleabay for like $5 US shipped, with the advent of USB you can have two mice and use one to move the pointer and the other to actually click.
How do I know this? cause PI hurt ma' hand.
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TigerXtrm
Iron-Sky
DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2010.10.17 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 17/10/2010 08:23:09
Well, just to give you an idea on how many clicks I have to do:
I have six characters.
Each character has 5 CC's.
Each CC has around 21 installations.
Half of those installations are extractors.
Each extractor requires 4 clicks to get it running.
This is done and repeated every 6 hours.
Doing the math...
An average of 6,048 clicks per day is required to keep PI going. That count is not taking into consideration the amount of clicks required to get it all set up to begin with. Not to mention the 3 hours in total per day required just to do all this clicking, let alone doing anything else ingame.
If Extractor Grouping was implemented in the winter expansion, it would cut that figure down to around 480 clicks per day.
That's roughly a 91% reduction in clicks.
Sounds more like your lack of a social life has broken your mouse. Also, if you absolutely must defy any kind of social interaction by playing a game with 6 characters, at least invest in a decent mouse.
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Damis Shahar
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Posted - 2010.10.17 14:35:00 -
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I don't think PI broke your mouse. I've had the same mouse for 6 years. I spend an insane amount of time on the PC every single day, and I would imagine the clicks have run in to the millions by now. Mine's still going strong, and I've messed around with PI too, for a day, but then decided it's crap and pointless and no fun whatsoever and will never use it again.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.17 16:15:00 -
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I've never understood this whine about PI clicking. Invention has at least as much clicking... 
Also, if your mouse broke doing something it was designed to do (ya know, clicking), it's either a ****ty mouse, or you're doing something wrong. It's not PI's fault.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.10.17 17:21:00 -
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1. Quit PI
2. Quit Eve
Either option will work for you, but I'm afraid 3. is mandatory.
3. Quit posting
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YipKai Foon
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Posted - 2010.10.17 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: TigerXtrm
Sounds more like your lack of a social life has broken your mouse. Also, if you absolutely must defy any kind of social interaction by playing a game with 6 characters, at least invest in a decent mouse.
This...
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gargars
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Posted - 2010.10.17 17:42:00 -
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HAHA that is classic. I say file a petition and see if CCP will reimburse you for a new mouse due to PI click-fest lol.
Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 17/10/2010 07:33:25
Not an exaggeration or a joke. I'm being totally serious. It's not a new mouse, however I bought it brand new a few months ago.
Anyways, after countless clicks today while messing with PI, the left button on my mouse ceased to work. Its springiness first started giving out then the electric contacts in the button itself stopped working.
I'm borrowing my roommates mouse for the time being, but I just found it funny and thought it was worth mentioning.
PI broke my mouse.
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Saju Somtaaw
Gallente
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:49:00 -
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My Trust Preadator is still working after several years, with no loss in the "feel" of the buttons.
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cuoredipietra famedoro
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Posted - 2010.10.17 21:46:00 -
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All mouses have to go someday... Hopefully yours has gone for profit!
the Isk must flow!
Cuore
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.10.17 22:04:00 -
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Q3A used up a Logitech Marble Mouse, and X-wing vs TIE Fighter killed 3 joysticks. I wish I could kill some joysticks in EVE...
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Nicholas Barker
SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUSES
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Posted - 2010.10.17 22:14:00 -
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How strong are you guys?
I play FPS which is no doubt more clicking, and probably harder clicking since I'm trying to do it quickly, and i don't break mice like you guys claim to.
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MAB0N
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Posted - 2010.10.17 22:30:00 -
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PI did not break your mouse.
The microswitches in a mouse will take over a million clicks before they fail.
Poor manufacturing quality broke your mouse. Since its only a few months old, it will still be covered under warranty. Get a replacement.
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Stan Jens
Gallente
KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.17 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: MAB0N
PI did not break your mouse.
The microswitches in a mouse will take over a million clicks before they fail.
Poor manufacturing quality broke your mouse. Since its only a few months old, it will still be covered under warranty. Get a replacement.
What he said.....
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.10.17 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
An average of 6,048 clicks per day is required to keep PI going. That count is not taking into consideration the amount of clicks required to get it all set up to begin with.
To put that into perspective, it's the same amount of clicks you would do in one hour of Call Of Duty 4.
Buy a proper mouse would be my advice.
Mr Epeen 
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Cyrus Doul
Infinite Covenant
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Posted - 2010.10.17 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Swan
Edited by: Dirk Swan on 17/10/2010 09:27:23
I have the original Microsoft Trackball Explorer mouse. New it was $75 now it cost $500 for a new one if you can find it. PI started to destroy it so I quit PI. In the time it takes make ISK with PI I can make more mining.
Best mouse. or bestest mouse.
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Waukesha
Amarr
Invictus Australis
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.18 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
Edited by: Sturmwolke on 17/10/2010 10:16:45
Well, a typical mouse microswitch lifecycle is about 1 million cycle. If you've been hardcore diligent with your PI constructs, total mechanical failure chance increases after 1000000/6048 = 165 days ... that's about 5-6 months. There are more robust microswitches out there, but you can't be sure of what's being used in the manufacture unless it's directly advertised as a one of the feature.
Yep, you should be able to thank Eve for that as the primary contributor, which isn't surprising really when you look at (god knows) how many GPU it burned by defaulting to un-throttled fps after install.
Replacing the microswitch is super easy if you've got soldering tools. The tricky part is obtaining the replacement microswitch which you will either need to hunt down the proper/similar model or cannibalize from a different non-working mouse.
As for mouse replacements, I'd personally recommend the average USB Logitech mouses. They're mechanically more solidly built than the generic brands (from microswitches and wheel construction) for a minor price premium ... I've yet to see one fail mechanically after going through several of them. The only problems I've encountered with my Logitechs are electrical/electronic issues .. some which was solved by replacing the elecrolytic caps in them.
/edit:clarity
Yep Logitech ftw, best value.
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xavier69
Gallente
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2010.10.18 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: xavier69 on 18/10/2010 00:35:27
I think the correct title to this thread should be
"PI broke eve"
I totally gave up making T2 due to PI or getting ripped off on pos fuel
Ill Wait to see if its fixed in the next six months to a year I am not paying 35k per robotics and no I cant make enough to keep up with my fuel reqs and production of t2 reqs that need robotics
So I am forced to purchase it off the market at an increased cost of 5-10 times pre PI with no change in vaule of my finished product
So do more for less
CCP can suck a big fat one
5 years no complaints
sorry ccp you dun screwed up royally this time accept it correct it and lets move on
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.18 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Stick Cult on 18/10/2010 00:38:30
Originally by: xavier69
Edited by: xavier69 on 18/10/2010 00:35:27
I think the correct title to this thread should be
"PI broke eve"
I totally gave up making T2 due to PI or getting ripped off on pos fuel
Ill Wait to see if its fixed in the next six months to a year I am not paying 35k per robotics and no I cant make enough to keep up with my fuel reqs and production of t2 reqs that need robotics
So I am forced to purchase it off the market at an increased cost of 5-10 times pre PI with no change in vaule of my finished product
So do more for less
CCP can suck a big fat one
5 years no complaints
sorry ccp you dun screwed up royally this time accept it correct it and lets move on
Shut. The. ****. Up.
Derailing threads, albeit threads that are already stupid.
Sorry PI "destroyed" your profit margins, how about you 1) make something else or 2) start charging more.
edit: Oh sorry, no I'm not.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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xavier69
Gallente
Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2010.10.18 00:48:00 -
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how about you not ****ing flame me cause your one of the *******s overcharging or fixing the market =)
Yea let me set my own price on t2 product... ROFL you must be an idoit or think i am one
How about we not **** up the game i have played for 7 years =)
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.18 12:09:00 -
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Alright then. Went ahead and bought another mouse. A $20 Belkin mini mouse with a retractable cord.
I've also started a log of clicks per day. Not actually counting every single click but rather recording the 6,048 PI clicks.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.18 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: xavier69
how about you not ****ing flame me cause your one of the *******s overcharging or fixing the market =)
Yea let me set my own price on t2 product... ROFL you must be an idoit or think i am one
How about we not **** up the game i have played for 7 years =)
If you've been playing for 7 years, then I'm sure you can adapt.
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Nicholas Barker
SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUSES
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Posted - 2010.10.18 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: xavier69
Edited by: xavier69 on 18/10/2010 00:35:27
I think the correct title to this thread should be
"PI broke eve"
I totally gave up making T2 due to PI or getting ripped off on pos fuel
Ill Wait to see if its fixed in the next six months to a year I am not paying 35k per robotics and no I cant make enough to keep up with my fuel reqs and production of t2 reqs that need robotics
So I am forced to purchase it off the market at an increased cost of 5-10 times pre PI with no change in vaule of my finished product
So do more for less
CCP can suck a big fat one
5 years no complaints
sorry ccp you dun screwed up royally this time accept it correct it and lets move on
This is one of the things i predicted happening, more work for the same.
You could probably set up some colonies and make the robotics, but that would just be stacking up more work on your pile for the same or similar profit.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.18 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 18/10/2010 13:28:17
Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: xavier69
how about you not ****ing flame me cause your one of the *******s overcharging or fixing the market =)
Yea let me set my own price on t2 product... ROFL you must be an idoit or think i am one
How about we not **** up the game i have played for 7 years =)
If you've been playing for 7 years, then I'm sure you can adapt.
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Nicholas Barker
SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUSES
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Posted - 2010.10.18 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 18/10/2010 13:28:17
Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: xavier69
how about you not ****ing flame me cause your one of the *******s overcharging or fixing the market =)
Yea let me set my own price on t2 product... ROFL you must be an idoit or think i am one
How about we not **** up the game i have played for 7 years =)
If you've been playing for 7 years, then I'm sure you can adapt.
I wish i hadn't agreed with him now after that outburst.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.18 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Cyprus Black
An average of 6,048 clicks per day is required to keep PI going. That count is not taking into consideration the amount of clicks required to get it all set up to begin with.
To put that into perspective, it's the same amount of clicks you would do in one hour of Call Of Duty 4.
Buy a proper mouse would be my advice.
Mr Epeen
This tbh.
I play a good 30-40 hours of mw:2 a week, for the last 6 or 7 months, and PI on 3 characters...my mouse is just a cheap 2 button micosoft mouse ($20), no problems at all :P
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
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Khalan Warr'el
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
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Posted - 2010.10.18 18:44:00 -
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I play eve (+PI) and some other games and work from home using my pc.
I never calculated the average number of clicks per day. My logitech Trackman wheel still works fine. This is my 2nd in 8 years and the first one only died because my pet rat destroyed the cable. Rats and mice are not friends 
So I would have to agree with the first reply: If you break a mouse in a couple of months you are doing it wrong 
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Rui Manii
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Posted - 2010.10.18 19:43:00 -
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Daley Thompson broke my joystick
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Deliras
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Posted - 2010.10.18 20:11:00 -
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My Logitech G5 is 5 years old. No problems at all. I for sure have much more clics than you, for sure. rofl.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.18 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: gargars
HAHA that is classic. I say file a petition and see if CCP will reimburse you for a new mouse due to PI click-fest lol.
...but... ze logs, zay show nothing?
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Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.10.19 01:03:00 -
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Funny, my MacBook Pro's touchpad is holding up just fine. Tap is a click in eve, no need to articulate the touchpad. Multitouch FTW.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.10.19 14:10:00 -
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Anyone remember the old decathlon game on the c64 , now that was a joystick killer.
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Rui Manii
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Posted - 2010.10.19 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
Anyone remember the old decathlon game on the c64 , now that was a joystick killer.
Yeah, I mentioned it 4 posts above yours 
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Lenny Po
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.19 15:33:00 -
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Games don't kill mice... Gamers do.
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Stickzability
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cozmik R5
Q3A used up a Logitech Marble Mouse, and X-wing vs TIE Fighter killed 3 joysticks. I wish I could kill some joysticks in EVE...
EvE joysticks would be pretty awsome.. althought hard to implement O_o
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Stickzability
Originally by: Cozmik R5
Q3A used up a Logitech Marble Mouse, and X-wing vs TIE Fighter killed 3 joysticks. I wish I could kill some joysticks in EVE...
EvE joysticks would be pretty awsome.. althought hard to implement O_o
Nah, someone wrote something to control EVE via joystick actually, there is a thread on it somewhere around here.
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Khalan Warr'el
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:30:00 -
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There has been talk of joystick flight, but that would have been for ateroid exploration or some other specific thing. Not for regular space flight. No clue if they are going to do anything with that plan.
I don't think I'd use it anyway. /me is not going to buy a joystick for that. never needed one for flyiing stuff in BF2 won't need one for eve. Mouse FTW!
Touch screen would be nice 2
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