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Seraph Warbird
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Posted - 2003.07.02 17:22:00 -
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I agree with you about the mining thing except the Thorax dosen't have a big cargo hold so you must jettison or transfer the ore into another container frequently. Also if you are mining with mining drones and have weapons on, I doubt nobody wants to try to seal your ore.
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Seraph Warbird
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Posted - 2003.07.02 17:22:00 -
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I agree with you about the mining thing except the Thorax dosen't have a big cargo hold so you must jettison or transfer the ore into another container frequently. Also if you are mining with mining drones and have weapons on, I doubt nobody wants to try to seal your ore.
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Lartfor
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Posted - 2003.07.02 19:27:00 -
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Well i am currently working on getting a thorax. I am curiouse as to what is the best or one of the best weapon load outs on it (hybrid). And what other items i would need to fit the weapons on it.
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Lartfor
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Posted - 2003.07.02 19:27:00 -
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Well i am currently working on getting a thorax. I am curiouse as to what is the best or one of the best weapon load outs on it (hybrid). And what other items i would need to fit the weapons on it.
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Helen Ripley
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Posted - 2003.07.02 19:28:00 -
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Sorry to have to disagree with everybody, but i just think that the thorax's lack of missle capabilities are always going to put it at a severe disadvantage and here why:
1. Inability to launch defender missles. When you get to the outer rim systems the pirates will come in batches of three/four heavy-missle weilding cruisers. Without the defenders to take them down your going to be either always scurrying to target and shoot the hoard of missles coming your way, or constantly trying to time your plasma bombs to destroy them. Either of which takes too much attention away from the pirates themselves. Defenders Missles are a must.
2. Cost of drones. Some think drones are a good, if not better, alternative to missles because like missles you have the ability to attack targets at distanct without coming into the targets weapon range. I don't think this is true because drones are easily shot down and lost and are much more expensive to replace than missles are. For example, a corp member of mine uses drones for defense while he mining, but when he uses them the NPC pirates will often destry one or two of his drones. He then has to go back and buy some replacements and like ten times the price that it would have cost them if he had just fired some missles. Simply put, drones are too expensive to be losing all the time, missles are cheaper.
Sorry, but i think an effective cruiser just has to have missle offensive/defensive capabilities. I mean, they obivously put them on the all the battleships because of how important they are. The thorax just doesn't hold up.
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Helen Ripley
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Posted - 2003.07.02 19:28:00 -
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Sorry to have to disagree with everybody, but i just think that the thorax's lack of missle capabilities are always going to put it at a severe disadvantage and here why:
1. Inability to launch defender missles. When you get to the outer rim systems the pirates will come in batches of three/four heavy-missle weilding cruisers. Without the defenders to take them down your going to be either always scurrying to target and shoot the hoard of missles coming your way, or constantly trying to time your plasma bombs to destroy them. Either of which takes too much attention away from the pirates themselves. Defenders Missles are a must.
2. Cost of drones. Some think drones are a good, if not better, alternative to missles because like missles you have the ability to attack targets at distanct without coming into the targets weapon range. I don't think this is true because drones are easily shot down and lost and are much more expensive to replace than missles are. For example, a corp member of mine uses drones for defense while he mining, but when he uses them the NPC pirates will often destry one or two of his drones. He then has to go back and buy some replacements and like ten times the price that it would have cost them if he had just fired some missles. Simply put, drones are too expensive to be losing all the time, missles are cheaper.
Sorry, but i think an effective cruiser just has to have missle offensive/defensive capabilities. I mean, they obivously put them on the all the battleships because of how important they are. The thorax just doesn't hold up.
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Harmor
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Posted - 2003.07.02 20:19:00 -
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The Thorax's inability for missle turrets is does make combat against missle using enemies difficult.
Granted, having a smart bomb to destroy missles near you works, but takes alot more energy than say using Defender missles.
If there was either an expendable drone (say 10m3-25m3 that would have a chance to intercept incoming missiles that would be kewl...maybe a heavy drone version that would orbit your ship and knock down missles - or heck, just add a command to the existing attack drones to attack missles when they are within 2000m.
Now that Cruiser/Torpedoes do like 450 damage...well shooting down those missles is something that will become a priority.
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Harmor
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Posted - 2003.07.02 20:19:00 -
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The Thorax's inability for missle turrets is does make combat against missle using enemies difficult.
Granted, having a smart bomb to destroy missles near you works, but takes alot more energy than say using Defender missles.
If there was either an expendable drone (say 10m3-25m3 that would have a chance to intercept incoming missiles that would be kewl...maybe a heavy drone version that would orbit your ship and knock down missles - or heck, just add a command to the existing attack drones to attack missles when they are within 2000m.
Now that Cruiser/Torpedoes do like 450 damage...well shooting down those missles is something that will become a priority.
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Captian Jhon
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Posted - 2003.07.03 04:13:00 -
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I just bought a throax and i don't no what to equip it wit....i have 2 650mm, a heavy beam and a medium focused laser and that all adds up to about 11 dmg mod.....is that really good or do i need to invest in something else....and where do u find more advanced mining lasers and drones???????
The BS isn't the one to be afraid of, The attitude of the pilot looking at you through the window and thumb on the fire button is what u should be afraid of....
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Captian Jhon
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Posted - 2003.07.03 04:13:00 -
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I just bought a throax and i don't no what to equip it wit....i have 2 650mm, a heavy beam and a medium focused laser and that all adds up to about 11 dmg mod.....is that really good or do i need to invest in something else....and where do u find more advanced mining lasers and drones???????
The BS isn't the one to be afraid of, The attitude of the pilot looking at you through the window and thumb on the fire button is what u should be afraid of....
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Emiranda
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Posted - 2003.07.03 05:18:00 -
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Helen: Losing drones is something you have to live with. Get a bp copy of a drone and make them yourself. Is a lot less expensive and wasps for instance do not require zydrine nor megacyte. I can mine enough minerals for ten in under 30 minutes so I do not see the point in them being that expensive. It is all a matter of perception.
Ever since I started using heavy drones I have not yet lost a drones while mining in empire space. The tactic is to let the pirates target you first before you sent the drones out.
I must agree that not being able to use missiles tempers the use of Thoraxes in long range heavy combat duty. But again this makes the Thorax not an incompetent or substandard cruiser. The Thorax is merely a very all-round cruiser (except for missiles). Mining can be done with it easily. Drop the ore near you and pick it up later with your Indy. Make sure that you are mining in less populated areas or someone might get the idea of taking away some of you hard lasered or droned ore. Get good, and I mean good bookmarks and you are zipping through major zipcodes of roidfields in no time. I have bookmarks that will let me instantly dock my ships on arrival and when I get back to my cargo container I usually have to wait only 20 seconds for me to reach the container. Most time is spent using warp nowadays.
My suggestion is be prepared. Pick out the cruiser most suited to you and select the proper gear, learn the right skills and have fun with it, if a ship does not suite you then leave it be pick out one that is more to your liking.
Emiranda.
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Emiranda
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Posted - 2003.07.03 05:18:00 -
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Helen: Losing drones is something you have to live with. Get a bp copy of a drone and make them yourself. Is a lot less expensive and wasps for instance do not require zydrine nor megacyte. I can mine enough minerals for ten in under 30 minutes so I do not see the point in them being that expensive. It is all a matter of perception.
Ever since I started using heavy drones I have not yet lost a drones while mining in empire space. The tactic is to let the pirates target you first before you sent the drones out.
I must agree that not being able to use missiles tempers the use of Thoraxes in long range heavy combat duty. But again this makes the Thorax not an incompetent or substandard cruiser. The Thorax is merely a very all-round cruiser (except for missiles). Mining can be done with it easily. Drop the ore near you and pick it up later with your Indy. Make sure that you are mining in less populated areas or someone might get the idea of taking away some of you hard lasered or droned ore. Get good, and I mean good bookmarks and you are zipping through major zipcodes of roidfields in no time. I have bookmarks that will let me instantly dock my ships on arrival and when I get back to my cargo container I usually have to wait only 20 seconds for me to reach the container. Most time is spent using warp nowadays.
My suggestion is be prepared. Pick out the cruiser most suited to you and select the proper gear, learn the right skills and have fun with it, if a ship does not suite you then leave it be pick out one that is more to your liking.
Emiranda.
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Calisarius
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Posted - 2003.07.03 12:31:00 -
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Well.. I use a Thorax with 4 250mm gauss guns and 8 heavy combat drones.
With that armanent there is very little in the NPC area that can last more than a few seconds.
With the extrene range 250mm rails can give you with the right skills you can safely attack from range almost all NPC ships without taking a scratch. Missiles still pose a minor porblem against the heavy missile cruisers, but with the patch and reduced cap use of hybrids i'm fairly certain my med shield booster will be more than a match for most missile volleys.
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Calisarius
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Posted - 2003.07.03 12:31:00 -
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Well.. I use a Thorax with 4 250mm gauss guns and 8 heavy combat drones.
With that armanent there is very little in the NPC area that can last more than a few seconds.
With the extrene range 250mm rails can give you with the right skills you can safely attack from range almost all NPC ships without taking a scratch. Missiles still pose a minor porblem against the heavy missile cruisers, but with the patch and reduced cap use of hybrids i'm fairly certain my med shield booster will be more than a match for most missile volleys.
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Lartfor
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Posted - 2003.07.03 13:04:00 -
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How can your powergrid handle 4 250mm guass? dont those take 300 grid and the ship has a maximum of 675 or something like that
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Lartfor
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Posted - 2003.07.03 13:04:00 -
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How can your powergrid handle 4 250mm guass? dont those take 300 grid and the ship has a maximum of 675 or something like that
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Calisarius
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Posted - 2003.07.03 13:22:00 -
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675MW base
lv4 engineering(+20%) = 810MW.
5 Reactor Control 1s(+10% each) = 1304.5MW
Leaves you with about 100 MW powergrid to play with after fitting guns.
*note* seems 250mm power grid is being decreased to 280MW and the thorax is going up to 700MW... so with lv5 engineering you "should" be able to fit 5 250mms
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Calisarius
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Posted - 2003.07.03 13:22:00 -
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675MW base
lv4 engineering(+20%) = 810MW.
5 Reactor Control 1s(+10% each) = 1304.5MW
Leaves you with about 100 MW powergrid to play with after fitting guns.
*note* seems 250mm power grid is being decreased to 280MW and the thorax is going up to 700MW... so with lv5 engineering you "should" be able to fit 5 250mms
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Helen Ripley
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Posted - 2003.07.03 14:03:00 -
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Calisarius:
Yes I agree with you that your med shield booster will be able to handle light missles, but be careful, the heavy missles and cruise missles will overwhelm your shield quite quickly. For example, I was scouting out a 0.0 for some cronite and bistot near the fringes of the galaxy in Serpentis Territory when I came upon some missle cruisers. One hit from the missles took out my ENTIRE shields and HALF my armor of the frigate I was in. And that was before the patch. Now that the patch is here the missle damage has been upgraded even MORE. So still, i think that you'ld be better with a missle capable buddy along side with you if your cruising in a Thorax.
And Emiranda, yeah, I agree Thoraxes are the best mining cruisers, but i would take a better combat cruiser over a good mining cruiser any day.
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Helen Ripley
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Posted - 2003.07.03 14:03:00 -
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Calisarius:
Yes I agree with you that your med shield booster will be able to handle light missles, but be careful, the heavy missles and cruise missles will overwhelm your shield quite quickly. For example, I was scouting out a 0.0 for some cronite and bistot near the fringes of the galaxy in Serpentis Territory when I came upon some missle cruisers. One hit from the missles took out my ENTIRE shields and HALF my armor of the frigate I was in. And that was before the patch. Now that the patch is here the missle damage has been upgraded even MORE. So still, i think that you'ld be better with a missle capable buddy along side with you if your cruising in a Thorax.
And Emiranda, yeah, I agree Thoraxes are the best mining cruisers, but i would take a better combat cruiser over a good mining cruiser any day.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:36:00 -
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Soon i will buy a maller since im a laser freak, but i will always keep my thorax for mining in high security sectors.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:36:00 -
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Soon i will buy a maller since im a laser freak, but i will always keep my thorax for mining in high security sectors.
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:00:00 -
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yea, its a great ship, but not after RMR.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:02:00 -
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You just dug up a 28 month old thread to say that? :P
And it's still a good ship after RMR.
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without
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:02:00 -
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 Originally by: CB Cyrix
yea, its a great ship, but not after RMR.
look at the dates, u woke up the dead
its an old thred :P
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Mordax Ibrium
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:09:00 -
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hahahaha gold
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:15:00 -
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Lol at this thread. "Thorax sucks because it can't fit defenders." 
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:18:00 -
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I liked "needs another slot for an autotargetter so it can shoot down missiles".
ftw.
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Alghoul
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:16:00 -
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LOL...haha..
Thorax>BS
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Kollgorholl
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:34:00 -
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lol, good thing i read the thread right to the end before posting i saw the post about the 200m3 extra drone bay in the next patch and was like WTF!!!!
thankfully that was two years ago so no need to panic
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