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Saithe Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.18 19:47:00 - [1] I am basically a nomad. I don't own much; maybe 2 weeks worth of clothes, my guitar, and my computer. After some unfortunate events in my life, I have decided to move out of the country. Not trying to evade anything or 'go into hiding'; I am simply tired of the US, and how it is turning more and more in to a socialist regime. Not too interested in politics, so I could really care less about the government; until it starts giving out money to big business for bad marketing practices and tax evasion while the rest of the working populous gets jacked over with unemployment on the rise. Anyway, enough rambling. When I get my tax returns; I would like to move to an English speaking country such as Ireland or England; around March or so. Still not definite on this, put it's lookin pretty likely that I'll move. If anyone here would be willing to help me out with finding a place to live, country standards to get a job and whatnot; let me know. I'd be more willing to move if I had a more exact destination and a place to live. Little note: I'll be 24 in January. I know this is a longshot, but I can't find out if I don't ask.
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:09:00 - [2] You choose not to participate governing of the country. You get no right to complain about government policies. Here is article from January 2010 about unemployment, mostly covering Europe, it got some fascinating charts: European Unemployment
Chris Bailey	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:28:00 - [3] You wont get a job here in the UK easily, not being rude. My dad just trained to be a electrician and hes finding it hard but he still got his job of painting cars. My mum just got a job as a scrub nurse in bone surgery.
Saithe Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:34:00 - [4] I know it't not easy to find a job anywhere, unless you are highly specialized in a demanding field. Hell, here in the US I can't even get a job at McDonalds or Burger King because they are not hiring. Temp services here are closing down, because noone is using them; because noone is giving jobs to them. I'm not worried about finding a job when I move; I just don't know the proper legal procedures to get a job in another country when I am not a legal citizen.
Florio Miniature Giant Space Hamsters	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:39:00 - [5] I don't wish to be rude, but it sounds like it's your mind that needs changing, not the location of your body. You move country you're not any more likely to find what you're looking for. Going for a road trip outside the US sounds like it could help though. Perhaps Interrailing.
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:43:00 - [6] Take a trip to Canada. Frankly, Mexico is too scary these days.
Chris Bailey	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:55:00 - [7] Cant you try getting a job and then move knowing you got one?
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Saithe I am simply tired of the US, and how it is turning more and more in to a socialist regime. ... regardless of the hysterical narratives and memes the Tea Party, Fox & co. keep parroting ad nauseum, the US is still the most balls-to-the-wall capitalist country on the planet. No matter what other civilized nation you move to - and that includes Ireland and the UK - you're in for a disappointment if you are fleeing the US just because it's becoming a "socialist regime". Well, as a consolation, at least you'll have access to universal free health care over there
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:56:00 - [9] Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 18/10/2010 20:58:39 If you think the US is too socialist, then the last place you want to be is in the UK. Our government also forked over a metric ****ton of cash to the incompetent bankers. And on top of that, we also have such horrors as taxpayer funded healthcare. ____________________
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:05:00 - [10] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 18/10/2010 21:06:14 Move to a real socialist country for awhile, so you can laugh your ass off at people who think the US or UK is socialist. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.10.18 22:24:00 - [11] i dont know but socialism and communism sound alright to me sounds social and communal lol \o/ economy wise england sucks at the moment, and ireland is even worse. why would you want to come here? people have dreams of england and ireland but mainly it is louts shouting "oi mate" at you outside the newsagents at least bum around somewhere nice, and sunny too lol x EVE Garden
Astenion Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation	Posted - 2010.10.18 23:35:00 - [12] Edited by: Astenion on 18/10/2010 23:37:53 You are sick of the American "socialist regime", but you want to move to the UK, a place known for it's strong social system? Ok man, I'm going to tell you before you make a big mistake: there's nothing at all socialist about the US government. Corrupt maybe, but not socialist. You leaving the US because you think it's becoming too socialist is like someone from France in WW2 leaving France for Germany because they think the French government was becoming fascist. The people who are holding the US government hostage aren't in DC, they're in high rises on Wall Street. The reason the US is getting a D- in just about everything today isn't because of socialism, but rather because of unchecked capitalism. "I don't give a sh!t about you as long as I get mine" is the name of the game and it's always been that way. Now, however, it has caught up with them; banks are being bailed out because, well, they had to be bailed out. I personally would've liked to see the government give them the finger, allowing the banks to fail, and allowing everything to come to a grinding halt, forcing everyone to start over. It would've sucked but it would've leveled the playing field. But there are too many people in high places that really love their golden parachutes, and THAT my friend, is capitalism. Money talks, bullsh!t walks. First of all, good social systems work better for overall quality of life for the majority of a country's people than a purely capitalist society. That's the entire reason for being socialist. Less money to go around but a lot less pain too. Have you even researched these places you say you'd like to go? You think the US economy is bad now? Do you know what's going on in Ireland now? Or how the Netherlands is being crippled by unchecked immigration? Did you know that the UK might be facing ANOTHER bailout? The difference, however, is that when the UK's economy finally bottoms out, you'll still be able to go to the hospital even if you don't have money. You can thank a strong social system for that.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.10.18 23:44:00 - [13] Edited by: So Sensational on 18/10/2010 23:46:33 Well if the US is too socialist for you may I recommend Liberia? Anyone that's worth talking to understands English and the rest can just be shot in the neck and left in a ditch should they cause any problems, it's a real paradise.
Majuan Shuo Dark Reality Unified	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:18:00 - [14] despite all the fear being thrown out by the tea party, of which has been absorbed by my own grandparents (said i hated America for being a liberal; me: a man who tried to get in the USMC at 17, then went on to become an American History/Secondary Education major...), America is not becoming a "socialist" government by the definition that its more socialist than capitalist. adopting socialistic policies? sure, just the same we already have some: police, fire department, public education, etc. as has been said: we are the MOST extreme capitalistic nation in existence, for better or worse. (usually better for us, worse for our neighbors) do what i did, go tour south america and europe. enjoy the good, but note the bad: come back with a renewed expect for your own country, despite its flaws.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:30:00 - [15] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 19/10/2010 00:31:40 Originally by: Saithe I am basically a nomad. I don't own much; maybe 2 weeks worth of clothes, my guitar, and my computer. After some unfortunate events in my life, I have decided to move out of the country. Not trying to evade anything or 'go into hiding'; I am simply tired of the US, and how it is turning more and more in to a socialist regime. Not too interested in politics, so I could really care less about the government; until it starts giving out money to big business for bad marketing practices and tax evasion while the rest of the working populous gets jacked over with unemployment on the rise. Anyway, enough rambling. When I get my tax returns; I would like to move to an English speaking country such as Ireland or England; around March or so. Still not definite on this, put it's lookin pretty likely that I'll move. If anyone here would be willing to help me out with finding a place to live, country standards to get a job and whatnot; let me know. I'd be more willing to move if I had a more exact destination and a place to live. Little note: I'll be 24 in January. I know this is a longshot, but I can't find out if I don't ask. If you have a little education, you could always try to locate to Norway. We are not an native english speaking country, but in my opinion still the best country in the world. Also it should be relatively easy getting a job here with very low unemployment rates, and many needs native english speaking people in their companies. The tax rates are higher than what you yankies are used to though, and the beer prices is just as unreasable as Oveur can be when he cant get hand on one. But if you can live with that, and get the Norwegian immigrants government to accept you, you will be set for good! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:50:00 - [16] Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 19/10/2010 00:52:18 Well European countries are far more socialist then the US. But here some actually make it work. Not UK or Ireland though Actually read some news that Ireland had a bit of problems Which is a shame, I wanted to move there myself after I finish my degree in computer science and get some experience (first finish and get experience, then move ). Can anyone from Ireland comment how the IT sector is going? can a young programmer get a job? Some European countries are doing better then others...but I am guessing all have their problems. You will never hear a man say:"I love my government" from exchange students I hear good things about Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, and up north, Norway and Sweden. whatever you do don't come to where I live. a population of 2 million people and a government as ****ed up as they come. Didn't have to bail any banks though...but give it time.
Narisa Bithon Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:56:00 - [17] Ireland is in a much worse state than the UK job wise with almost 14% of the population unemployed. Emmigration here is at an all time high. They government here havent a clue what they are doing and have this notion that taxing our way out of recession will work...... it wont all its doing is making people spend less and therefore causing even more joblosses. oh i wish that idiot Brian Cowen would just resign and give us the general election everyone wants.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Majuan Shuo despite all the fear being thrown out by the tea party, of which has been absorbed by my own grandparents (said i hated America for being a liberal; me: a man who tried to get in the USMC at 17, then went on to become an American History/Secondary Education major...), America is not becoming a "socialist" government by the definition that its more socialist than capitalist. adopting socialistic policies? sure, just the same we already have some: police, fire department, public education, etc. as has been said: we are the MOST extreme capitalistic nation in existence, for better or worse. (usually better for us, worse for our neighbors) do what i did, go tour south america and europe. enjoy the good, but note the bad: come back with a renewed expect for your own country, despite its flaws. I like the way you think. Why cant more people think like you? Of course some things need to be socialistic. Want to privatize the police? get them to offer response time packages? Course the question is where you draw the line. I guess my country leans a bit more against the socialist side since we have "public" education all the way. You can go to college and not pay a dime. Think I paid 20 Euro, for the paperwork, rest of the scholarship was paid by the state. If you have the status of a student, you even get food vouchers, which are accepted in lots of different restaurants. this means two things. First, the state will pay your expenses all the way up to a diploma. And second, once you get a job, you will pay bout 50% taxes Guess it comes down to personal preference which system you prefer. I guess you can go around and try them out. But most importantly, if someone has a different preference, respect their wishes.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Zions Child on 19/10/2010 01:25:54 Originally by: Astenion Well worded psuedo-rant about America being a failing Capitalist state. Thank you for that. Hearing people say "Amewica is becoming Sociawist!!!oneeleventy?!" all the time at my godforsaken school filled with libertarian asshats makes me want to punch them. Honestly, how someone can say a country with one of the lowest wealth-based Gini Coefficients in the world is socialist is beyond me. 93% of commercial wealth is in the hands of 20% of American's. ** you tea-party asshats! Anyways, yeah, America isn't that bad for a lot of things, better than UK or Ireland (in terms of having an economy not totally ruined in some parts of the country, and in not being socialist). Europe is practically English speaking, what with English being the ironically termed lingua de franca of the world. Best bet for Countries that don't suck, would be any of the Scandinavian countries. Admittedly, you'd be completely incapable of pronouncing the name of any place in Finland, but I'm sure its not bad over there. Norway and Sweden are great. That being said, they're all "socialist regimes that give their money to social services in order to protect the people from the vagaries of bad luck and unforseen consequences." Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:27:00 - [20] It's worth noting that the entire reason we pay taxes is for things like education and healthcare. Taxes aren't meant to be offerings to our kings, we elect politicians to serve us, the citizens, and the taxes we pay are supposed to be spent on us. The way people talk these days, you'd think tax dollars going to anything except war is socialism, and it's entirely something created by the media. As less and less tax dollars are spent on the citizens of each country, and more goes to the elected officials and corporations, what a clever little trick to convince the citizens them ever seeing their tax dollars again is 'evil' socialism. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Saithe Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.19 01:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 19/10/2010 00:31:40 Originally by: Saithe I am basically a nomad. I don't own much; maybe 2 weeks worth of clothes, my guitar, and my computer. After some unfortunate events in my life, I have decided to move out of the country. Not trying to evade anything or 'go into hiding'; I am simply tired of the US, and how it is turning more and more in to a socialist regime. Not too interested in politics, so I could really care less about the government; until it starts giving out money to big business for bad marketing practices and tax evasion while the rest of the working populous gets jacked over with unemployment on the rise. Anyway, enough rambling. When I get my tax returns; I would like to move to an English speaking country such as Ireland or England; around March or so. Still not definite on this, put it's lookin pretty likely that I'll move. If anyone here would be willing to help me out with finding a place to live, country standards to get a job and whatnot; let me know. I'd be more willing to move if I had a more exact destination and a place to live. Little note: I'll be 24 in January. I know this is a longshot, but I can't find out if I don't ask. If you have a little education, you could always try to locate to Norway. We are not an native english speaking country, but in my opinion still the best country in the world. Also it should be relatively easy getting a job here with very low unemployment rates, and many needs native english speaking people in their companies. The tax rates are higher than what you yankies are used to though, and the beer prices is just as unreasable as Oveur can be when he cant get hand on one. But if you can live with that, and get the Norwegian immigrants government to accept you, you will be set for good! i may actually do that; permitting that i don't need to know dutch or 'norweigenish' (not sure if its dutch there). i am fairly knowledgeable in many areas; even though i don't have papers to prove it. i should also state that i may have been mistaken in my original statement. i did not mean to say the US is becoming socialist; they are just adopting bad parts of socialism and applying it to capitalism. basically, if you aren't 'in the loop' then you get shafted, hard. and some of that applies worldwide; just some countries are more forgiving to their citizen than those that practice bad business. for example; here in the US we were promised fiber optic lines for, oh, 5 years or so now. verizon has stopped layin down fiop's, at&t has stopped u-verse subs; and cable companies still use copper wire for data transmissions. these companies made promises and did not deliver; and yet our government is still giving them money.
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.10.19 03:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Saithe i may actually do that; permitting that i don't need to know dutch or 'norweigenish' (not sure if its dutch there). i am fairly knowledgeable in many areas; even though i don't have papers to prove it. i should also state that i may have been mistaken in my original statement. i did not mean to say the US is becoming socialist; they are just adopting bad parts of socialism and applying it to capitalism. basically, if you aren't 'in the loop' then you get shafted, hard. and some of that applies worldwide; just some countries are more forgiving to their citizen than those that practice bad business. for example; here in the US we were promised fiber optic lines for, oh, 5 years or so now. verizon has stopped layin down fiop's, at&t has stopped u-verse subs; and cable companies still use copper wire for data transmissions. these companies made promises and did not deliver; and yet our government is still giving them money. Come to Australia. We've just started rolling out the flash-light lines here among other things. We speak English, plus we have sunlight!
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.10.19 04:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Grideris Come to Australia. We've just started rolling out the flash-light lines here among other things. We speak English, plus we have sunlight! And don't forget womb-pouch kangaroos, vicious Koala Bears, 8 or so of the top 10 deadliest snakes in the world, the adorably murderous Box jellyfish, and gaming legislation that would make Singapore's chewing gum legislation look pleasant. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Marz Ghola Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.10.19 04:13:00 - [24] Contact those governments/consulate staff and the first thing you will notice is that they are far more restrictive than the U.S. about letting people into their countries. They keep out the sh!t-heels who are not educated and don't bring anything to offer to their country. This is why the U.S. is turning into such a bad place. Look at all the illegal f#@king aliens with lines out the door at medical clinics along the border states with mucksicko for that free health care. It only sucks if you are a tax payer covering the care for these creatures. One way to get into france is to serve five years in the french foreign legion. There has to be openings though and they only tell you if there are opening when you show in their office. A former army buddy had to try on numerous occasions to get in and finally did so. Do you have 750,000 rand transferable to a South African bank and a business S.A. needs? you can move there if so. Basically, this is the only country you can enter while having no f#@king human value as a 24 year old empty headed, under-educated slouch, with no pride, conviction, or clarity of purpose. Land of opportunity lol, gotta love it. I would be much more inclined to hire a non-english speaking immigrant vs. you, as long as he was motivated to succeed. oh, if you don't want socialism, you might not want to consider anywhere in europe.
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.10.19 04:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: Grideris Come to Australia. We've just started rolling out the flash-light lines here among other things. We speak English, plus we have sunlight! And don't forget womb-pouch kangaroos, vicious Koala Bears, 8 or so of the top 10 deadliest snakes in the world, the adorably murderous Box jellyfish, and gaming legislation that would make Singapore's chewing gum legislation look pleasant. You forgot the Drop Bears. (And I mean the real ones, not the dev kind) And the Platypus. (People seriously thought someone was pulling a Frankenstein when they first saw them ) But in all seriousness, as long as you have an ounce of common sense and educate yourself, you can avoid most of the really dangerous. Though I will have to mention that you will be as an initiation rite spoon fed an entire jar of either Vegemite, Marmite or Promite.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.19 04:34:00 - [26] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 19/10/2010 04:37:03 You forgot the delightful spiders of Australia. I think i read the other day that the Platypus has something like 80 different toxins in its poison. Yes, i did. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.10.19 05:01:00 - [27] This sounds about as smart as that national socialist guy in Sweden that said: 'I'm so sick and tired of all the immigration in this country, I wish to move to a country where they do not accept immigrants'.
AI Alice	Posted - 2010.10.19 07:05:00 - [28] im with ya Saithe! lets move out!
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.10.19 12:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 19/10/2010 04:37:03 You forgot the delightful spiders of Australia. I think i read the other day that the Platypus has something like 80 different toxins in its poison. Yes, i did. If there is one thing you can rely on for a few laughs, it's people being scared of Australia's natives. Like I said, so long as you use some common sense, you should be fine. Just look before you do stuff. And as for the Platypus, it's really a non-issue. If you get attacked by a Platypus, it's because you deserve it. I reckon that you would have more chance of wining the lotto while on fire underwater.
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.10.19 18:43:00 - [30] If you don't like socialism, Europe is not the place for you. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...

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