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Kurron	Posted - 2005.01.07 08:09:00 - [91] Q-Ship - Reasoning: Because indy gankers need to get their teeth kicked in occasionally. - Special ability: Tracking speed or web/scrambler range. - Skills: Industrial 5, Propulsion jamming 5. - Cargo: 1/4 of base industrial. - Speed: Base speed x 1.5 - Slots: Probably 4 high slots, medium and low slots like base industrial. --------------------------------------------- Deep Space Hauling Inc. When it absolutely, positively, is too boring for you to haul. We move it all!
Kurron Caldari The Greater Goon The OSS	Posted - 2005.01.07 08:09:00 - [92] Q-Ship - Reasoning: Because indy gankers need to get their teeth kicked in occasionally. - Special ability: Tracking speed or web/scrambler range. - Skills: Industrial 5, Propulsion jamming 5. - Cargo: 1/4 of base industrial. - Speed: Base speed x 1.5 - Slots: Probably 4 high slots, medium and low slots like base industrial. --------------------------------------------- From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere.
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2005.01.07 08:59:00 - [93] My responce was for real: I expect CCP to make the bpo run only 1 batch per 1 and half day, despite an insane ammount of demand so that the item itself is sold for 50m more than its costs. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
DREAMWORKS Gallente Kill Em All Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2005.01.07 08:59:00 - [94] My responce was for real: I expect CCP to make the bpo run only 1 batch per 1 and half day, despite an insane ammount of demand so that the item itself is sold for 50m more than its costs. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
DaXes Halleck	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:15:00 - [95] Originally by: Atandros The smuggler ship actually makes no sense; if there was such a ship on the market, anyone flying it would be subject to extra suspicion and scrutiny by customs, hence defeating its purpose. Exactly, therefore the smuggler version of a tech II hauler should be made from a base version of the hauler but fitted with special modules and special skills for that modules. And those skills should be dependent on social skills like "fast talk" and "negiation". The modules should not block customs cargo scanning (blocking is suspicious in itself) but fake innocent results. So some dependency on some type of electronics skills might be in order too. The modules could lessen the chance of customs finding the contraband, the higher skills trained, the lesser the chance. But never quite reach zero chance of being found.
Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:15:00 - [96] Originally by: MOOstradamus FREIGHTER Reasoning: ULTRA HAULING Special Ability: JUMP DRIVE Skills: RACE INDUSTRIAL(5), <UNKNOWN FREIGHTER SKILL>(3) & JUMP DRIVE(3) Cargo: HUUUGE Speed: SNAIL-ESQUE Slots: DON'T CARE BUT ZERO COMBAT ABILITY Of course for this to come into existance the mechanics of 'Jump Drives' needs to be established. The only thing I can come up with right now is that this must clearly involve time to setup & carry out as it is a 'super safe' way to travel & transport a large amount of stuff. More to follow ... Freighters when we start doing the Freighters. But you are pretty close to our ideas. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Rangar	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:15:00 - [97] I would like a new Tech1 ship, maybe called Iteron Mark V-B. This ship has given up the ability to load/unload cargo in space. In exchange for not needing this expensive ability (scoop mechanism, air locks and so on) it has increased cargo space, maybe plus 50% or so.
Rangar Gallente The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:15:00 - [98] I would like a new Tech1 ship, maybe called Iteron Mark V-B. This ship has given up the ability to load/unload cargo in space. In exchange for not needing this expensive ability (scoop mechanism, air locks and so on) it has increased cargo space, maybe plus 50% or so.
DaXes Halleck Amarr Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:15:00 - [99] Originally by: Atandros The smuggler ship actually makes no sense; if there was such a ship on the market, anyone flying it would be subject to extra suspicion and scrutiny by customs, hence defeating its purpose. Exactly, therefore the smuggler version of a tech II hauler should be made from a base version of the hauler but fitted with special modules and special skills for that modules. And those skills should be dependent on social skills like "fast talk" and "negiation". The modules should not block customs cargo scanning (blocking is suspicious in itself) but fake innocent results. So some dependency on some type of electronics skills might be in order too. The modules could lessen the chance of customs finding the contraband, the higher skills trained, the lesser the chance. But never quite reach zero chance of being found.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:15:00 - [100] Originally by: MOOstradamus FREIGHTER Reasoning: ULTRA HAULING Special Ability: JUMP DRIVE Skills: RACE INDUSTRIAL(5), <UNKNOWN FREIGHTER SKILL>(3) & JUMP DRIVE(3) Cargo: HUUUGE Speed: SNAIL-ESQUE Slots: DON'T CARE BUT ZERO COMBAT ABILITY Of course for this to come into existance the mechanics of 'Jump Drives' needs to be established. The only thing I can come up with right now is that this must clearly involve time to setup & carry out as it is a 'super safe' way to travel & transport a large amount of stuff. More to follow ... Freighters when we start doing the Freighters. But you are pretty close to our ideas. Senior Producer EVE Online


Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:16:00 - [101] Originally by: Malena I really like the fleet carrier suggestion would have suggested it myself if it wasn't already there so please consider this my vote for that. As a side note, I would suggest a drone transport as well, something that can tractor drones into a gangmates bay (make it gang only to avoid theft) while in space. Yes, you can kick them out of a cargo bay in a can right now, but the recipient still has to dock and put them in his bay. Carriers are also a brand spanking new Class which is planned for this year, so TL2 indies won't do that role. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:16:00 - [102] Originally by: Malena I really like the fleet carrier suggestion would have suggested it myself if it wasn't already there so please consider this my vote for that. As a side note, I would suggest a drone transport as well, something that can tractor drones into a gangmates bay (make it gang only to avoid theft) while in space. Yes, you can kick them out of a cargo bay in a can right now, but the recipient still has to dock and put them in his bay. Carriers are also a brand spanking new Class which is planned for this year, so TL2 indies won't do that role. Senior Producer EVE Online

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:17:00 - [103] Originally by: Mikelangelo Scavenger type industrial Reasoning: An industrial that can be used to salvage floating space junk (Minmatar would love this one). Special ability: +1 scavenger drone control per level Skills: Drones 5, long range targeting 5 Cargo: Somewhat on par with a Hoarder, maybe a little lower. Speed: Slightly faster than a Hoarder or the smaller minnie Indy (forget the name). Slots: 2-3 high slots (2 missile, 0 turret, 1 other), 4 mid lots, 3 lows. Armor: Maybe on par with a Mammoth. An industrial that can defend itself against low level rats, while scouring belts, abandoned sites, debris for useful tidbits of technology which can be recycled. I envision this thing to look like a floating trash heap, something inbetween a Jawa sand crawler, a ball of yarn and a circuit board with a banana peel on top. Good idea when we get them Salvage drones in. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:17:00 - [104] Originally by: Mikelangelo Scavenger type industrial Reasoning: An industrial that can be used to salvage floating space junk (Minmatar would love this one). Special ability: +1 scavenger drone control per level Skills: Drones 5, long range targeting 5 Cargo: Somewhat on par with a Hoarder, maybe a little lower. Speed: Slightly faster than a Hoarder or the smaller minnie Indy (forget the name). Slots: 2-3 high slots (2 missile, 0 turret, 1 other), 4 mid lots, 3 lows. Armor: Maybe on par with a Mammoth. An industrial that can defend itself against low level rats, while scouring belts, abandoned sites, debris for useful tidbits of technology which can be recycled. I envision this thing to look like a floating trash heap, something inbetween a Jawa sand crawler, a ball of yarn and a circuit board with a banana peel on top. Good idea when we get them Salvage drones in. Senior Producer EVE Online

Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:20:00 - [105] I think a blockade running armoured indy is one of the better ideas. Anyone knows how risky it is getting minerals out and equipment into 0.0 past choke points. An armoured indy, with more speed, some sort of bonus to warp core strength, maybe a little protection would be good. Obviously at the cost of size of the cargo hold, maybe cut it down to 1.5k, 2k. Easily enuf to carry equipment in and minerals out of 0.0 Forums: Sharks - MC
Eyeshadow Caldari Defcon Inc.	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:20:00 - [106] I think a blockade running armoured indy is one of the better ideas. Anyone knows how risky it is getting minerals out and equipment into 0.0 past choke points. An armoured indy, with more speed, some sort of bonus to warp core strength, maybe a little protection would be good. Obviously at the cost of size of the cargo hold, maybe cut it down to 1.5k, 2k. Easily enuf to carry equipment in and minerals out of 0.0
Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:21:00 - [107] Originally by: Seraph Demon What do I expect? I would expect industrials to live up to their name, and for dependence on stations to be slowly eliminated from the game (starbases were a good first step in this direction), so on that note: Mobile Factory: Reasoning: build ammo/modules on-the-fly for mobile fleet engagements Special Ability: +1 factory on board per skill level, +20% to cargo size per level Penalties: 100% increase in production time for all items, 15% material inefficiency Skills: Indy 5, Industry 5 Cargo: 1K (quite small; not alot that can be built) Speed: Same-ol' indy speed, but must sit still when factories are running (can you say, easy target?) Slots: Very few slots, maybe 1 high, 1 mid, and 2 low Special Behaviour: The Mobile Factory can be used to build items whose material requirements exceed its cargo size (including ships - see ship-support platform below), by having an industrial ship with the necessary materials sidle up next to it and 'link' cargo-holds. Mobile Refinery: Reasoning: Refining (slowly) on-the-fly to provide rescources to mobile factories, for mobile fleet engagements Special Ability: 18% reduction in refine time for one load per level, 16% reduction in refining inefficiency per level Penalties: Base refining yield is 50% so with the Mobile Refinery skill at lvl5, yield would be 90%, note that the other refining skills do not affect yield Skills: Indy 5, Refinery Efficiency 5 Cargo: Enough to carry one refinery load of any rescource in game Speed: same as above, must sit still when refining Slots: same as above Mobile Ship Support Platform: Reasoning: Allows ships to be repaired (for tritanium cost) and refitted (slowly), to provide greater flexibility for mobile fleet engagements (getting familiar now). Special Ability: 15% reduction in repair and refit times for ships, +1 ship that can be worked on at a time Skills: Indy 5, Mechanic 5 Cargo: 3-4K Speed: same as above, must sit still to allow ships to dock with it Slots: same as above Special Behaviour: The mobile ship support platform can 'link' with the mobile factory to produce ships. For the duration of production one of the support platform's docking slots is taken up. Once the ship is completed, it is automatically assembled and then ejected away from the support platform for anyone to come and pilot. Mobile Strategic Defense Platform: Reasoning: allows a group of ships to establish a temporary dug-in location Special Ability: 10% increase to force-field radius per level, Skills: Indy 5, Shield Management 5 Cargo: 2-3K Speed: quite slow, Slots: same as above Behaviour: The mobile strategic defense platform creates a force field (just like a starbase's force field) after anchoring itself (20 min), with 1-2M hit points, radius about 15km, and racial resistances just like those of the CTs. It does not provide any power or CPU(ie, you can't set up a real starbase with one of these mini CTs). It consumes strontium clathrates, at a rate of about 1 per 5 minutes. Once set up the pilot of the ship can eject, and it will still operate, if the shield is depleted, then it will go offline and unanchor itself so as to be ripe for the picking. Clearly all of these put together create the opportunity for a group of willing pilots to set up a way-station for mining/scouting operations. In concert with the ability for ships to establish direct transfer of materials between them, a production platform could use the materials provided by several industrial ships and the use of a ship-support platform to provide new ships while in deep space. This is what I expect industrial ships to be able to do. The roles you suggest are still going to be reserved for the Starbases. The Strategic Defense Platform is far more a Carrier role, which are planned. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:21:00 - [108] Originally by: Seraph Demon What do I expect? I would expect industrials to live up to their name, and for dependence on stations to be slowly eliminated from the game (starbases were a good first step in this direction), so on that note: Mobile Factory: Reasoning: build ammo/modules on-the-fly for mobile fleet engagements Special Ability: +1 factory on board per skill level, +20% to cargo size per level Penalties: 100% increase in production time for all items, 15% material inefficiency Skills: Indy 5, Industry 5 Cargo: 1K (quite small; not alot that can be built) Speed: Same-ol' indy speed, but must sit still when factories are running (can you say, easy target?) Slots: Very few slots, maybe 1 high, 1 mid, and 2 low Special Behaviour: The Mobile Factory can be used to build items whose material requirements exceed its cargo size (including ships - see ship-support platform below), by having an industrial ship with the necessary materials sidle up next to it and 'link' cargo-holds. Mobile Refinery: Reasoning: Refining (slowly) on-the-fly to provide rescources to mobile factories, for mobile fleet engagements Special Ability: 18% reduction in refine time for one load per level, 16% reduction in refining inefficiency per level Penalties: Base refining yield is 50% so with the Mobile Refinery skill at lvl5, yield would be 90%, note that the other refining skills do not affect yield Skills: Indy 5, Refinery Efficiency 5 Cargo: Enough to carry one refinery load of any rescource in game Speed: same as above, must sit still when refining Slots: same as above Mobile Ship Support Platform: Reasoning: Allows ships to be repaired (for tritanium cost) and refitted (slowly), to provide greater flexibility for mobile fleet engagements (getting familiar now). Special Ability: 15% reduction in repair and refit times for ships, +1 ship that can be worked on at a time Skills: Indy 5, Mechanic 5 Cargo: 3-4K Speed: same as above, must sit still to allow ships to dock with it Slots: same as above Special Behaviour: The mobile ship support platform can 'link' with the mobile factory to produce ships. For the duration of production one of the support platform's docking slots is taken up. Once the ship is completed, it is automatically assembled and then ejected away from the support platform for anyone to come and pilot. Mobile Strategic Defense Platform: Reasoning: allows a group of ships to establish a temporary dug-in location Special Ability: 10% increase to force-field radius per level, Skills: Indy 5, Shield Management 5 Cargo: 2-3K Speed: quite slow, Slots: same as above Behaviour: The mobile strategic defense platform creates a force field (just like a starbase's force field) after anchoring itself (20 min), with 1-2M hit points, radius about 15km, and racial resistances just like those of the CTs. It does not provide any power or CPU(ie, you can't set up a real starbase with one of these mini CTs). It consumes strontium clathrates, at a rate of about 1 per 5 minutes. Once set up the pilot of the ship can eject, and it will still operate, if the shield is depleted, then it will go offline and unanchor itself so as to be ripe for the picking. Clearly all of these put together create the opportunity for a group of willing pilots to set up a way-station for mining/scouting operations. In concert with the ability for ships to establish direct transfer of materials between them, a production platform could use the materials provided by several industrial ships and the use of a ship-support platform to provide new ships while in deep space. This is what I expect industrial ships to be able to do. The roles you suggest are still going to be reserved for the Starbases. The Strategic Defense Platform is far more a Carrier role, which are planned. Senior Producer EVE Online

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:22:00 - [109] Originally by: Atandros The smuggler ship actually makes no sense; if there was such a ship on the market, anyone flying it would be subject to extra suspicion and scrutiny by customs, hence defeating its purpose. Yes, if you paint "SMUGGLER BESTOWER" on the side of it, sure. But maybe we'll skip that part, huh? _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:22:00 - [110] Originally by: Atandros The smuggler ship actually makes no sense; if there was such a ship on the market, anyone flying it would be subject to extra suspicion and scrutiny by customs, hence defeating its purpose. Yes, if you paint "SMUGGLER BESTOWER" on the side of it, sure. But maybe we'll skip that part, huh? Senior Producer EVE Online


Arud	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:23:00 - [111] Military Industrials - Get same shield and armor resistance as assault ships - Default bonus that ammo and missiles take -10% size per level of Military Industrial skill - 50% lower cargo from t1 version - Ability to use t2 cargo optimizers - Rest the same - Skills needed: Military Industrial 1 + some skills needed to fly assault ships New modules: Cargo Optimizers - Each type lowers the cargo space items need by 20% - For example, Mineral Optimizer, Starbase Optimizer - Med slot item - Only usable on t2 indies
Arud Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:23:00 - [112] Military Industrials - Get same shield and armor resistance as assault ships - Default bonus that ammo and missiles take -10% size per level of Military Industrial skill - 50% lower cargo from t1 version - Ability to use t2 cargo optimizers - Rest the same - Skills needed: Military Industrial 1 + some skills needed to fly assault ships New modules: Cargo Optimizers - Each type lowers the cargo space items need by 20% - For example, Mineral Optimizer, Starbase Optimizer - Med slot item - Only usable on t2 indies
Arud	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:26:00 - [113] Oveur, you mention alot of new ship classes that are being planned, any chance of a devblog sometimes soon about those more carrots to lead us on
Arud Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:26:00 - [114] Oveur, you mention alot of new ship classes that are being planned, any chance of a devblog sometimes soon about those more carrots to lead us on
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:28:00 - [115] Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 07/01/2005 10:30:19 just a suggestion, but if industrial ships are extended into combat support roles and then the only industrial-ish sounding thing they could do is give gang buffs. for example: amarrian elite industrial could anchor portable energy emitting batteries, gives anyone within 10km radius +5% capacitor recharge per emitter.. special bonus would be -90% volume and anchor time of energy emitters similarily, gallente would add damage, caldari would increase lock range/speed, minmatar would increase tracking or ship velocity edit: there would have to be serious limitations to how many portable emitters/sensor arrays/whatever you could carry on you and their duration would be limited _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:28:00 - [116] Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 07/01/2005 10:30:19 just a suggestion, but if industrial ships are extended into combat support roles and then the only industrial-ish sounding thing they could do is give gang buffs. for example: amarrian elite industrial could anchor portable energy emitting batteries, gives anyone within 10km radius +5% capacitor recharge per emitter.. special bonus would be -90% volume and anchor time of energy emitters similarily, gallente would add damage, caldari would increase lock range/speed, minmatar would increase tracking or ship velocity edit: there would have to be serious limitations to how many portable emitters/sensor arrays/whatever you could carry on you and their duration would be limited Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Helmut 314	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:32:00 - [117] Edited by: Helmut 314 on 07/01/2005 10:43:22 Many nice ideas here, smugglers, q-ships etc. I would like to see the T2 indys capitalizing on their massive CPU. Maybe 2 variants per race, one Ýndustry-oriented, one military. Military type : 2-4 turrets / launcher slots 3-5 highslots 4-8 medslots 2-6 lowslots Base speed like a fast cruiser 2000-3000 m3 cargohold Grid enough to fit frigate size weapons and adequate defences. Bonuses to gunnery / missiles and shield tanking or armor repair. Purpose : Fleet ammo hauler with teeth, able to defend itself from frigate raiders but not powerful enough to be a true combat vessel. Skills : Industrial 4, Engineering 5, Mechanic 5, Support ship 1 Industry type : 1 highslot 0 turret / launcher 2-4 medslot 8 lowslots Base speed of 60-80 Base cargo of 25000 Heavy armor / shields Special ability to fit an OnSite Refining Module, a mobile refining thingamajig to support mining ops far from stations. Reduced efficiency, say 60% total yield with 5/5/5 refining. Skill reqs : Industrial level 4, Engineering 5, Mechanic 5, Support ship 1. Onsite refining module demands : Refining 5, Industry 5, Mining 5 Purpose : The empires response to starbases and ORE conglomerate mining barges, intensive refinery arrays etc. ___________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Helmut 314 Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:32:00 - [118] Edited by: Helmut 314 on 07/01/2005 10:43:22 Many nice ideas here, smugglers, q-ships etc. I would like to see the T2 indys capitalizing on their massive CPU. Maybe 2 variants per race, one fndustry-oriented, one military. Military type : 2-4 turrets / launcher slots 3-5 highslots 4-8 medslots 2-6 lowslots Base speed like a fast cruiser 2000-3000 m3 cargohold Grid enough to fit frigate size weapons and adequate defences. Bonuses to gunnery / missiles and shield tanking or armor repair. Purpose : Fleet ammo hauler with teeth, able to defend itself from frigate raiders but not powerful enough to be a true combat vessel. Skills : Industrial 4, Engineering 5, Mechanic 5, Support ship 1 Industry type : 1 highslot 0 turret / launcher 2-4 medslot 8 lowslots Base speed of 60-80 Base cargo of 25000 Heavy armor / shields Special ability to fit an OnSite Refining Module, a mobile refining thingamajig to support mining ops far from stations. Reduced efficiency, say 60% total yield with 5/5/5 refining. Skill reqs : Industrial level 4, Engineering 5, Mechanic 5, Support ship 1. Onsite refining module demands : Refining 5, Industry 5, Mining 5 Purpose : The empires response to starbases and ORE conglomerate mining barges, intensive refinery arrays etc. ________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:35:00 - [119] Originally by: Murple I was thinking of specialist haulers that recieve size bonuses for certain types of cargo. One example would be a slaver hauler that can carry a considerable amount of slaves. It would treat them as if the took up 0.1 m3 or 0.01 m3 of volume. That would be a Freighter. It's slated to have a configurable cargo hold. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:35:00 - [120] Originally by: Murple I was thinking of specialist haulers that recieve size bonuses for certain types of cargo. One example would be a slaver hauler that can carry a considerable amount of slaves. It would treat them as if the took up 0.1 m3 or 0.01 m3 of volume. That would be a Freighter. It's slated to have a configurable cargo hold. Senior Producer EVE Online




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