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Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 18:16:00 - [91] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 18:35:32 Originally by: WMunny I take it the first things I should buy would be implants to boost training times? Is it simply a case of choosing the most expensive ones? Train the learning skills to V, the "Learning" skill to V, the advanced (Rank 3) learning skills to IV (Logic and Clarity optional to V as well). Train Cybernetrics to V as it's a prerequisite to have +5 implants (~110 million a piece). Now you're almost at max speed training speed. More specifically (just a rough idea to start with): 1) train Instant Recall to III 2) train Analytical Mind to III 3) train Cybernetics to I 4) buy a set of +3 implants (~10 million a piece) and inject them 5) train Instant Recall to IV 6) train Eidetic Memory to II or III 7) ... there's plenty of guides to max out these skills asap. And don't forget to install EVEmon!! Cya in 2,5 months! (always happy to help! ;))
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 18:40:00 - [92] Thank you Agent Starling. As it happens - I did quite a bit of research regarding training before doing much else. I'm up to Level 4 on all learning skills, and have Level 3 on Advanced Memory. I already have some low grade implants. I'm busy now training Cybernetics up to Level 5 (from Level II). So it shouldn't be too long before I have that all maxed out. I also still have the 100% bonus. But I would suggest all new serious players do this. But 6 x PLEX for 100 Euros, buy all the augmentors, get the skill training boosted asap, then continue. Seems the only reasonable way to get on.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 18:50:00 - [93] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 18:55:01 Originally by: WMunny Thank you Agent Starling. As it happens - I did quite a bit of research regarding training before doing much else. I'm up to Level 4 on all learning skills, and have Level 3 on Advanced Memory. I already have some low grade implants. I'm busy now training Cybernetics up to Level 5 (from Level II). So it shouldn't be too long before I have that all maxed out. I also still have the 100% bonus. In case you're in doubt about training them to IV or V read my old post about when training skills pay themselves back (if you haven't seen it yet during your research). What research (which I encourage) is concerned, the forum and the wikis (also the "unofficial" one is very handy, it's less diplomatic - if a ship is crap it just says so - and the module overviews are far better than on the official one) are very helpful. Most EVE things aren't that complicated, there's just a lot of things to learn. And some things you only find out by trying.
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:02:00 - [94] Thank you again Agent Starling. I will train Cybernetics to 5 now to buy the +5 implants, then complete to 5 all the Learning skills. Whilst I have the 100% bonus this seems the sensible thing to do.
Rakrist Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:03:00 - [95] Can't believe no one seems to have recommended this explicitly ITT yet, but for the love of God, join a corp that does some sort of regular PvP this instant. Irrespective of how you make your isk, Eve gets old fast without the social element. Another reason buying isk early is sort of pointless is because a good corp will provide most of what a new player needs within reason. But mostly, joining a corp is important because shared goals are often more compelling in the long term than solo goals.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:24:00 - [96] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 19:28:27 Originally by: Rakrist Can't believe no one seems to have recommended this explicitly ITT yet, but for the love of God, join a corp that does some sort of regular PvP this instant. Irrespective of how you make your isk, Eve gets old fast without the social element. It's a mmorpg after all, very true. But in EVE there's the choice between investing in long term goals at the expense of short term gratification and fun. You can't have both. Originally by: Rakrist Another reason buying isk early is sort of pointless is because a good corp will provide most of what a new player needs within reason. But mostly, joining a corp is important because shared goals are often more compelling in the long term than solo goals. A corp won't provide you with +5 implants, they may give you some t1 frigates and cruisers with a few 100k to a few million. But for social interaction and questions it's a nice thing. That brings us to another issue: podding. If you engage in PvP there's no guarantee that your opponent will not pod you. Even in RvB this happens, although it's frowned upon. And the one thing you don't want in EVE is being podded - because it also destroys your implants and we both know how much they cost. A lot more than a t1 frigate or cruiser. So before doing that I¦d recommend getting jump clones, if you really want to PvP you can leave your learning implants (and their skilling speed bonus) behind but at least you won¦t lose them. Of course it's a matter of choice/priority but if someone chooses to "take it easy" at the start it will pay itself back in the long run. It's just how the mechanics in EVE work, I didn't invent them (and I would definitely have done it differently)!
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:27:00 - [97] Edited by: WMunny on 27/10/2010 19:28:56 Thanks again Starling. I forgot that implants would be destroyed. Jump Clones definitely the way to go. You've been most helpful. And thanks Rakrist - I'll definitely start looking for a corp. That's right. I've killed women and children. I've killed just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, ... for what you did to Ned.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:33:00 - [98] Originally by: WMunny Thanks again Starling. I forgot that implants would be destroyed. Jump Clones definitely the way to go. You've been most helpful. And thanks Rakrist - I'll definitely start looking for a corp. Contact Estel Arador in game - he can get you one or more Jump clones for free without problems. Just keep in mind that you need a new one every time you lose one. And that you need to train Infomorph Psychology first.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.10.27 23:44:00 - [99] I don't think you are really a new guy in EVE, but anyway.. If you are really new, don't start using V implants right now. It's just too much time to train for cybernetics V in the beggining (boring), too much ISK and fear of being podded, for very little benefit. Do that when you have 1 year of EVE IMO. If I were starting now, with 2bi ISK in my wallet, I'd love if someone directed me to play FW with frigates. You have money to fit them properly, just do some research. You might find a nice corporation doing FW and join them.. Learning PVP from the ground is the best way.
TR4D3R4LT	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:24:00 - [100] Originally by: WMunny I take it the first things I should buy would be implants to boost training times? Is it simply a case of choosing the most expensive ones? Send me 500 mil isk in contract in-game and I'll contract all the implants and skillbooks for next 6 months that boost you the best way.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:27:00 - [101] Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 28/10/2010 01:34:01 Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 28/10/2010 01:33:19 Originally by: WMunny Thank you Agent Starling. As it happens - I did quite a bit of research regarding training before doing much else. I'm up to Level 4 on all learning skills, and have Level 3 on Advanced Memory. I already have some low grade implants. I'm busy now training Cybernetics up to Level 5 (from Level II). So it shouldn't be too long before I have that all maxed out. I also still have the 100% bonus. But I would suggest all new serious players do this. But 6 x PLEX for 100 Euros, buy all the augmentors, get the skill training boosted asap, then continue. Seems the only reasonable way to get on. lol dont offer advice when you clearly have no clue, 100 euros just for training skills when you dont even need them to play is only a good choice for those that dont want to play much for a few months. I advise people to mix in the learning skills with other skills that enable you to do better in what you are currently doing in game at the very start, save the longer skills until you have done alot of the learning ones and just train your cybernetics to 3 or 4 at the start, as level 5 is not really needed until you start to train the very long skills. Training only for max learning and cybernetics 5 at the begining of a chars life leave you with just your starting skills and unable to do much in game for a fair while.
KaarBaak Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative	Posted - 2010.10.28 01:38:00 - [102] Originally by: Ran Khanon Mbona ripping juu ya watu kutoka Zimbabwe?! -_- English only on the forums, please. KB Removed. Please keep your signature completely in English. Navigator I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.28 02:30:00 - [103] WMunny troll, best troll... _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Plastician Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.10.28 02:38:00 - [104] Originally by: Akita T WMunny troll, best troll... Indeed, but it has provided a fairly good discussion with an equal mix of flaming and constructive responses. So does that make him a fail troll?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.28 02:40:00 - [105] Originally by: Plastician So does that make him a fail troll? More like "accidentally useful troll" _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Atrei Capital	Posted - 2010.10.28 03:47:00 - [106] ITT: Person who doesn't realize the amount of ISK you make increases vastly after the first couple weeks of buildup. Buying a couple PLEX is a nice start for a newcomer. Buying 2b seems excessive, but to each his own, I suppose. Eagerly awaiting 'qq i died i lost real money this is <profanity>' thread. I never did understand the lure of trying to buy victory in a video game, but I can't complain too much; all those PLEX fund my alts.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.10.28 04:13:00 - [107] I find the game has plenty of law and order.
Ascendic Lyonesse. The Makhai	Posted - 2010.10.28 05:22:00 - [108] I don't know about you guys...... But I am personally extremely horrified that this thread as not burned in hell...espeiclaly after 4 pages. WTF is going on in mah EVES! Where are the angry trolls? We must burn this hethen! Before his idiocy spreads. Oh and WMunny. Please park your pod in Osaa for me on the station there. I have never seen +5 implants in person and would like to examine them more closely, and especially test their combustability.
Yavanna Akallabeth	Posted - 2010.10.28 06:30:00 - [109] Originally by: WMunny Looking at the graph for 30 Day Plex. 6 months ago the value was 255M and recently peaked at 390M. Put it like this. What is to stop me buying PLEX now and converting to 20BN ISK now? Its all about time, what is faster? pssst...this is how you get started in EVE do it buy some iskies and learn the game as you skill up, forget about doing any grinding for now. Pace yourself this quest going to take awhile.
NewGit Caldari Rusty Industries	Posted - 2010.10.28 09:27:00 - [110] Originally by: Ascendic I have never seen +5 implants in person and would like to examine them more closely, and especially test their combustability. Not to mention the fully faction/officer fitted faction frigate being flown. Hmmm, Fail Flying Fully Faction Fitted Frigates. --------------*
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.10.28 09:36:00 - [111] Originally by: Lady Spank The truth here is the OP feels he is a worthless pleb because he can't have as much isk as the richest people in eve. You know Spank, I whish sentences like this would still hold true... But with plex anyone can be super rich in EVE, even the biggest of fools.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.28 09:49:00 - [112] So you're being oppressed because of the colour of your skin/**d/mutilated/starving/murdered? No? Ahh sorry, I thought comparing a **ing computer game to the hell that is currently Zimbabwe was a bit silly really.
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.28 09:57:00 - [113] I can see you are very offended. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.10.28 10:14:00 - [114] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Lady Spank The truth here is the OP feels he is a worthless pleb because he can't have as much isk as the richest people in eve. You know Spank, I whish sentences like this would still hold true... But with plex anyone can be super rich in EVE, even the biggest of fools. Anyone putting RL money into a videogame in the belief it gives them equal footing is automatically stupid. ~_~
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.28 10:26:00 - [115] Really? Or is mining for 40 hours for 500M stupid, when 20Euros (earned in an hour or two in real life) does the same thing? Now tell me who is stupid? Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.10.28 10:38:00 - [116] Originally by: WMunny Really? Or is mining for 40 hours for 500M stupid, when 20Euros (earned in an hour or two in real life) does the same thing? Now tell me who is stupid? Both, and while you are a terrible troll, you don't know how to efficiently make isk in game. ~_~
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.28 10:45:00 - [117] In my opinion, and speaking as a novice, the game dynamics are broken in terms of ISK, making it far more economical to buy ISK than to earn it - until getting to the stage of the high in-game earners who, I presume, can be earning billions per month (by utilising their skill and assets?). The majority of people (90%?) seem to be squabbling over 10% of the wealth by mining and trading. I've now purchased 12 months PLEX and sold for 4BN. Extreme? As a new player all I've done is paid for my membership "up front". My Cybernetics training is nearing completion and soon I'll have +5implants all round. My learning skills will be maxed out shortly after that. So within a month I've gone from nothing to a character with maxed out learning skills, max cybernetic implants, and a shed load of cash. In the meantime I've been gaining experience flying around New Eden doing missions and learning stuff. How many one-year-old players can say all of the above? And how many can say they've done it in a month? Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.28 10:49:00 - [118] Edited by: Tippia on 28/10/2010 10:55:14 Originally by: WMunny How many one-year-old players can say all of the above? And how many can say they've done it in a month? Most of them. The only difference between you and any other new player is that, at the end of that year, your mistakes will have been much more expensive (and you might not have learned as much from them). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.28 10:53:00 - [119] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 28/10/2010 10:57:13 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: WMunny How many one-year-old players can say all of the above? And how many can say they've done it in a month? Most of them. Don't be silly, you're just jealous! There's more than a few people in EVE that don't bother about ISk grinding, be it by endless mining or missioning. If you have plenty of RL cash to space, why not? The amount of RL cash you earn in an hour is always more than the equivalent in ISK. And on the other side there's always people who are short of RL cash but lots of time to play and grind ISK who love the opportunity to play "for free".
Noob Ki'Lear	Posted - 2010.10.28 11:00:00 - [120] Originally by: Plastician Originally by: Akita T WMunny troll, best troll... Indeed, but it has provided a fairly good discussion with an equal mix of flaming and constructive responses. So does that make him a fail troll? I have followed this thread since he posted it, he has had everything in here, from the firey flames of bitter vets to, helpful and informative post by other less bitter vets. Being able to engage many different players shows me he is going to do well in here. Welcome to Eve WMunny

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