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WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 12:03:00 - [1] Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
gfldex	Posted - 2010.10.27 12:09:00 - [2] Lets say it's common.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 12:17:00 - [3] Originally by: WMunny Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX? In EVE it's legal cheating.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:08:00 - [4] The only one you are cheating is yourself, by being able to afford ships you can't fly properly. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:10:00 - [5] Why not just buy a character as well?
cyno troll	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:17:00 - [6] Please stop feeding the troll.
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:20:00 - [7] I really don't get the negativity here. I'm asking some reasonable question, yet few people are answering satisfactorily. Perhaps those with negative attitudes should rethink before they post - putting off new players can not be healthy for the game.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 13:25:00 - [8] Originally by: WMunny I really don't get the negativity here. I'm asking some reasonable question, yet few people are answering satisfactorily. Perhaps those with negative attitudes should rethink before they post - putting off new players can not be healthy for the game. I'd say the plex thing speaks for itself? It has only 1 use and it's an official CCP product, how can it be cheating?
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.27 14:20:00 - [9] Originally by: WMunny Why not just buy a character as well? I see you missed this in your other thread. Originally by: Alara IonStorm Do it we need more Honor Tanks! Just so I am not all cryptic the term comes from a newb who bought a bunch of Plex then bought a Character, He was accepted into an Alliance w/o them knowing this and took a faction fit nightmare to an 0.4 camped by a Supercarrier. He then yelled in teamspeak that his Honor was hurt and needed avenging, he took a Revelations Dread with all cargo expanders in the lows and attacked the Super alone. He then complained that his Alliance who's Sov and Fleet thirty jumps away did not defend his honor by getting there in 5 min to take out an irrelavent to them 0.4 camp because he was an idiot. When they saw the mail they freaked and kicked him and the guy who recommended him, and we got a new Meme. So go ahead and buy ISK see where it gets you! This has been an Alara certified cautionary tale! Player Skill > Skill Points, learn the game before you spend RL money and rage quit. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 14:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Player Skill > Skill Points, learn the game before you spend RL money and rage quit. What's against spending RL money and ragequitting?
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.10.27 15:01:00 - [11] not cheating but you'll end up loosing a lot more RL cash than if you try and play the game proerly --
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 15:13:00 - [12] Posted on another thread - it may be of interest here. Luckily we have a reference: PLEX. Plex currently trades for around 350M ISK Plex is one month of gameplay. Bought in batches of 6, each plex costs 17.5 Euros. Therefore: 1BN ISK = 3 months of gameplay = Eur 50 10BN ISK = 4 years and 9 months of gameplay = Eur 500 100BN = 24 years of gameplay = Eur 5000 So if you have 100BN spare, you can play EVE for free for the next 24 years.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.27 15:21:00 - [13] Originally by: WMunny Posted on another thread - it may be of interest here. Luckily we have a reference: PLEX. Plex currently trades for around 350M ISK Plex is one month of gameplay. Bought in batches of 6, each plex costs 17.5 Euros. Therefore: 1BN ISK = 3 months of gameplay = Eur 50 10BN ISK = 4 years and 9 months of gameplay = Eur 500 100BN = 24 years of gameplay = Eur 5000 So if you have 100BN spare, you can play EVE for free for the next 24 years. woul you be transporting that isk by kestrel. You know you want to. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.10.27 15:28:00 - [14] Originally by: WMunny Why not just buy a character as well? The only one you are cheating is yourself, by being able to sit in ships you can't fly properly. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.27 16:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Originally by: WMunny Why not just buy a character as well? The only one you are cheating is yourself, by being able to sit in ships you can't fly properly. Some may say it's preferable to waiting for a year to be able to fly those ships in the first place.
Lenda Roush	Posted - 2010.10.27 16:40:00 - [16] I didn't buy a character or isk (at least not yet) because I wanted to make my own way in the game. Literally speaking, it's obviously not cheating since it's endorsed by the game company. But for some players it's a little bit like entering a cheat code, so we try to avoid it. That isn't to say the game is ruined by cheating, but why not give it a go playing legit for a while first? (My opinions)
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.10.27 16:50:00 - [17] I have spent RL cash on Plex for the purpose of selling them once (actually pretty recently) but not to afford something I couldn't fly - it was to use as an initial investment in a project which (hopefully) will yield far greater returns in terms of being able to buy plex (with ISK) in the future to pay for my account on a more or less continuous basis. I call it prudent investing, not cheating. --Vel
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.27 17:00:00 - [18] Originally by: De'Veldrin I have spent RL cash on Plex for the purpose of selling them once (actually pretty recently) but not to afford something I couldn't fly - it was to use as an initial investment in a project which (hopefully) will yield far greater returns in terms of being able to buy plex (with ISK) in the future to pay for my account on a more or less continuous basis. I call it prudent investing, not cheating. I can pay off a credit card with another credit card -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Mal Lokrano Gallente The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.27 17:13:00 - [19] I used to sell PLEXs back when I had the RL money to do it. It was a decent way of making quick isk. If you don't waste it on worthless ships or have to replace ships common you shouldn't have to sell very many PLEX's to be comfortable. Most people prefer players to make their isk via ingame methods, but in the end its all personal preference. _____ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two. Your friendly neighborhood pod liberator.
Ragnar256 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.27 17:33:00 - [20] If you wanna try the bigger ships, try the Singularity server.
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 17:43:00 - [21] All is fair in love and war. I'm now stacked up.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:07:00 - [22] Originally by: WMunny Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX? No, it is completely within the rules, therefore it is not cheating. Depending on what kind of player you are, it may or may not be a good idea in terms of you enjoying the game more. Having a wedge of cash sounds awesome on the face of it, but establishing an income and gaining the skills to get it is one of the primary challenges a new player faces. Potentially you are depriving yourself of gameplay opportunity. In short: it's up to you to decide. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:12:00 - [23] Edited by: WMunny on 27/10/2010 19:14:40 On the other hand it seems the only sensible way for new players to get a good foothold in the game. Quite clearly, the plan for new players should be as follows: Open account. Buy 2 x PLEX Sell PLEX for around 700M. Train cybernetics to Level 1. Buy some Lowgrade implants in each slot. Train cybernetics up to level 5 asap. Buy the +5 implants. Train all the learning skills, and the advanced learning skills. Continue. In the meantime, the new player can then run around doing missions and getting used to New Eden, without having to worry about stopping to pick up salvage/mine/etc. In other words, do all the interesting stuff at the cost of 2 months' subscription. I'm surprised this is not the recommended route.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.10.27 19:41:00 - [24] Originally by: WMunny I'm surprised this is not the recommended route. You are probably quite correct in saying that this is the optimal route. I would shuffle the learning skills around and before Cybernetics, so that Cybernetics itself trains faster. Use EVEmon to determine the optimal order. However, it has several downsides to someone just starting in EVE. Even disregarding the bad stigma of paying out of game money for in game items, you might end up paying a non-trivial amount for a game you decide isn't worth it in a few days/weeks. If the very first thing you train are learning skills to any significant level, you will not be able to do much else in game for the first few weeks. Last, starting with a lot of (liquid) ISK takes away some charm out of the first steps into the world, and with that the player also skips the entire process of training, learning how to make ISK, and getting used to losses. That being said, this is all one huge sandbox. What works for one person might not work for someone else. If you're confident you're staying for a long time, and if you're willing to commit to your plan, by all means go ahead. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Tranka Verrane Mentors Administration	Posted - 2010.10.27 22:47:00 - [25] Originally by: WMunny Edited by: WMunny on 27/10/2010 19:14:40 On the other hand it seems the only sensible way for new players to get a good foothold in the game. Quite clearly, the plan for new players should be as follows: Open account. Buy 2 x PLEX Sell PLEX for around 700M. Train cybernetics to Level 1. Buy some Lowgrade implants in each slot. Train cybernetics up to level 5 asap. Buy the +5 implants. Train all the learning skills, and the advanced learning skills. Continue. In the meantime, the new player can then run around doing missions and getting used to New Eden, without having to worry about stopping to pick up salvage/mine/etc. In other words, do all the interesting stuff at the cost of 2 months' subscription. I'm surprised this is not the recommended route. This, please. Um, some of us need people to sell plexes. Please stop dissuading people from doing so. The cost has been soaring recently. __________________________________________________ Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged For ingame help and advice join channel 'Mentors'.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.10.28 00:38:00 - [26] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 28/10/2010 00:41:09 Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: De'Veldrin I have spent RL cash on Plex for the purpose of selling them once (actually pretty recently) but not to afford something I couldn't fly - it was to use as an initial investment in a project which (hopefully) will yield far greater returns in terms of being able to buy plex (with ISK) in the future to pay for my account on a more or less continuous basis. I call it prudent investing, not cheating. I can pay off a credit card with another credit card If the card your using to pay off the first card has a lower interest rate, that actually makes good financial sense. You'll save money in the long run. Also edit for spelling and clarification. --Vel
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.28 09:40:00 - [27] The Question has a few answers 1. No its not cheating, it is within the rules and intended 2. It is no pure ingame mechanic its "metagaming" so there might be people viewing it as a kind of "cheat" 3. It is a mechanic with 2 sides: You sell gametime for ISK so someone gets to play gametime you paid for whileyou get his ISK. Its in an ingame sense "fair" as it allows people to play to game without paying Real Money so....its not really cheating as it hurts nobody. 4. It allows people to do with their time ingame what they want. If they hate grinding ISK they can get ISK for PLEX which enhances their fun....so is that cheating? I dont think so. I do not sell PLEX for ISK myself (and their price is too high ingame to use them for gametime imho) but I dont think its cheating. Buying ISK for Real money from RMT IS cheating though. As RMT hack accounts and macrorat/mine whatever to get the ISK to sell it "hurts" the game in a away.
Creepy CousinRoger	Posted - 2010.10.28 15:11:00 - [28] I'm waiting for the threads this guy is gonna start when he loses everything
WMunny	Posted - 2010.10.28 15:56:00 - [29] Do you really think that would bother me? I'd just buy more ISK. It's dirt cheap at the moment. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2010.10.28 15:58:00 - [30] Originally by: WMunny Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX? Nope.

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