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Xcellers
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.28 16:03:00 -
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Well i did it - ive played for a bit over a month on this run and during my first two weeks i went off to activate to a full account and then buy a 60d TC - received a fair amount of cash for it and was quite happy in doing so.
however, i do not fly anything stupid, currently my wallet is at a stable 550m after buying a very nice fittet cruiser, implants and skills. - dont believe im flying anything i shouldn't fly, im well beyond the recommended certifications and have no trouble what so ever with my missions.
this has lead me to be able to play a bit smarter than i would have otherwise been able to, i have all the skills i need to do my missions, im almost done with my learnings, and soon ill be able to start work on progressing to bigger ship classes.
having a lump sum of isk, just means i can play the way i want, without having to worry too much about gear, cash and stuff like that - i can advance much more quickly than i would have been able too and i quite like that, as i cannot play the game as much as i want to :)
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.10.29 04:58:00 -
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Eh ... different people care about different things. It's just a game ... so ... *shrug*
For me ... I get a sense of accomplishment if I'm able to do something hard. If it's to easy - there's no sense of accomplishment.
That doesn't mean that every single time I bring a new character online - I fore go any help from my others. So there's some line drawing here.
Of course - for some people ... doing this is a terrible mistake. They have it to easy, don't learn how to make do, buy things THEY aren't ready to use and end up wasting a lot of their money. OK - so they go buy more plex. Are they going to just keep doing that? I mean ... OK ... so you buy any ship you want and train any skill. There are a lot more bigger ships and a lot more expensive skills. You get one and - there's always another. When does it end?
*shrug*
In the end - it's their money. I can't say that I've always spent mine wisely.
I don't think I'll do it. As I said, I get a greater sense of accomplishment by doing things myself - but what the hell ... I don't much give a damn what someone else does.
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Colfax Jones
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:11:00 -
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I don't think it's cheating, it's part of the game mechanic.
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hjgjgfgfgsj
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:33:00 -
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Don't feel bad about it.
I've bought plexes a couple times, thats right I admit it, I just didnt feel ike sitting around grinding missions all day.
Eventually you'll be able to run lvl 4s and won't need to though.
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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 20:56:00 -
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 Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.10.29 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
lol?
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.29 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
Well, you heard it here first, folks. Selling your PLEX on the market is now against the EULA.
--Vel
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.10.29 22:36:00 -
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Damned if that isn't sigworthy.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
Lolwut 
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N Ano
Caldari
AN Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:15:00 -
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Rest assured CCP Adida is being ridiculed by her co-workers as we speak 
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Saint Tetrimon
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
Quoted for untruths.
Yes you can buy Plex and sell them for isk.
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Yonem
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
This thread just went epic.
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Unit562
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Posted - 2010.10.30 01:22:00 -
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ROFLMAO gotta love CCP people that dont read they're own website.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.30 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
Sure. Put the cuffs on me. But make sure it's the pink fuzzy ones you used last night
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Vargo Breen
Damnable Carebears
Externus Hostis
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Posted - 2010.10.30 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.30 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
Um, hey dip ****s, Adida is technically right.
You can't BUY isk with PLEX. If you do so, it must be an out of game purchase as you are only permitted to sell your PLEX as it stands now. I interpret the question and this answer to mean, you offer someone several plex for isk, but not through the Eve markets, so it is an out of game transaction.
I admit its a thin line, but a line none the less.
Best,
Apollo
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.10.30 05:05:00 -
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Buying PLEXes on our official website and selling them in-game for ISK is perfectly fine, even for new players.
However, purchasing ISK with real money is forbidden according to the EULA.
Applebabe
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.10.30 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny
Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.
Um, hey dip ****s, Adida is technically right.
You can't BUY isk with PLEX. If you do so, it must be an out of game purchase as you are only permitted to sell your PLEX as it stands now. I interpret the question and this answer to mean, you offer someone several plex for isk, but not through the Eve markets, so it is an out of game transaction.
I admit its a thin line, but a line none the less.
Best,
Apollo
Yeah, stick it to the man... wait.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.10.30 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Applebabe
Buying PLEXes on our official website and selling them in-game for ISK is perfectly fine, even for new players.
However, purchasing ISK with real money is forbidden according to the EULA.
You can buy the GTC through other websites as well such as Battleclinic. Just make sure its reputable website that sells actual eve GTCs.Some peeps like to support their favorite sites( the site gets a small %).I think eve site has a list of authorized resellers somewhere...
While it dont seem to be much of a problem since the plexes came out, dont buy isk from isk buyers. Besides the good chance it may be a scam, CCP does catch isk buyers fairly often. And the penalty is a bit harsh especially after you invested a lot of time and money in the game.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.10.30 08:58:00 -
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Buying ISK using PLEX is not cheating.
Some people feel that it's "unfair" because they participate in the ISK grind. You know the type - grinding endless level 4 missions in a Drake to pay for their PvP ships, when they know full well that investing in a battleship will help them double their ISK/hr - nevermind harvesting datacores or playing the station trading game.
If they do it the hard way, they reason, you should do it the hard way too. Finding easier ways to make ISK means you're not "playing fair", where "fair" is defined as, "constrained by the same rules that I've invented for myself to play by" (such as "I must grind all my PvP ISK through missions and mining").
On the flip side, people who buy ISK using PLEX and then go getting their poorly fitted ships blown up due to their poorly developed PvP skills are - IMHO - actually playing EVE Online. EVE Online is a PvP MMO spaceship combat game (well, it's also an economics simulator and social network). Without foolish people with oodles of ships to blow up, there wouldn't be so many people to shoot.
I encourage more people to fund their PvP using PLEX. You get more joy out of the game since you won't be eternally grinding PvE missions (which are not everyone's cup of tea), which means you'll get a higher ratio of your game time activating offensive modules against enemies!
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MP Rhianna
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:00:00 -
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It isn't cheating the game or anything but it is, depending on why/when you do it and to what extent, cheating yourself in a way.
Not going through really any effort of learning to make isk in the game or appreciating that you don't have 'enough' for this or that is cheating yourself of the growth experience of learning to manage your funds, dealing with what you need now and what can wait, ie consequences of buying this over that, etc.
I don't think anyone who buys/bought plex at some point is cheating but if you do it right away w/o dealing with any of the issues above and don't appreciate that other people/players might not be as fortunate as you to either buy plex and sell them with $ or just make isk you aren't much of a 'fellow' player. That actually fits in fine with how 'Eve' is because the nature is to screw over other players and treat them like **** until you are in a situation to mutually benefit each other in between screwing each other over.
As an example, I purchased isk once I had tried making isk, mining/missioning/manufacturing and had a sizeable amount at the time, joined a corp and shared in the benefits there. But I wanted to get the 'pressure' I put on myself to have more isk off and invest in future 'opportunities' BPOs, ships, skills, etc many of which I didn't need right now, so I bought plex sold one and hung onto the other one till I felt it was 'time' to sell it as well. I ended up not spending all of it on my investments as I had learned and put into place some decent isk making activities.
Any new player or current player is free to do as they please, it is just my opinion that they *rob* themselves of the experience of doing without or having to struggle at all. Eve is a big step from just about any game out there to just put on the 'easy mode' in my opinion does a disservice to yourself. Much like reading game guides/walkthroughs/etc give you tips/prior knowledge to figuring stuff out on your own or just trying this and that, having said that EVE really doesn't equate with guides/walkthroughs as so much is undocumented/non-intuitive in the game you do yourself a disservice NOT reading guides/walthroughs where other players have endeavored to explain things.
'Easy mode' in Eve to me is buying a character when you don't understand many key elements of game mechanics, don't know how to fit a ship properly, buy tons of isk without any plan or having spent any time 'trying' to make isk in game, as well as various other 'buying/paying' off other players for service/mentorship. Pretty much if you are skipping effort or the opportunities to learn and see how you do w/o 'easy mode'/training wheels you are IMO cheating yourself.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.30 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: De''Veldrin on 30/10/2010 16:45:44
Edit:
Nevermind
--Vel
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2010.10.30 20:04:00 -
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Plex or plex for isk is great.
It limits Real Money Trading, it allows players who have limited play time to buy their PVP ships rather than grinding for them, it allows new players to get a start and traders or investors to fund their schemes.
In short, PLEX brings a whole lot of flexibility to the way you choose to fund your playing lifestyle.
If you are rich in time but poor in real life money you can grind isk to buy playtime through plex, this helps the young, the poor and the unemployed. If you are well paid in real life but short of time due to your RL profession you can spend a very small amount of money to have fun in the game with the time you have.
Finally, plex buying makes Eve more profitable for CCP which protects its long term future.
PLEX = WIN - buy some now!
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.10.31 22:55:00 -
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I look at it this way, It takes 7 hrs roughly to grind Lvl 4's to get 700 million Isk, it takes 1 hr of overtime to make enough money to buy a plex.
Although personally I have bought a plex in the past to fund a project and seem to be making good isk now but if I needed quick Isk injection that is the way I would do it.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.11.01 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: MP Rhianna
It isn't cheating the game or anything but it is, depending on why/when you do it and to what extent, cheating yourself in a way.
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'Easy mode' in Eve to me is buying a character when you don't understand many key elements of game mechanics, don't know how to fit a ship properly, à Pretty much if you are skipping effort or the opportunities to learn and see how you do w/o 'easy mode'/training wheels you are IMO cheating yourself.
I concur - just you have enough money to buy a Formula 1 racing car, does not mean you can drive it properly. Of course in F1 you will be frowned upon because the aim of F1 is to avoid accidents. In EVE online, the aim of the game is to have as many accidents as possible, preferably being the survivor at the conclusion of the accident of course :)
While many in the EVE community may frown upon someone attempting to honor tank, I do not think they should be prevented from doing so simply because it offends someone else's e-bushido.
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