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Garresh
Opposite of Low
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:56:00 -
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Lol I still get the PvP shakes a bit even now. It's just reached the point where I'm getting that huge adrenaline surge but my mind is still very much calm. It'll take a good long while to go away completely(if ever), but after a handful of fights you'll be able to stay focused through the adrenaline.
Edit: Don't care what the haters say. That adrenaline rush is why Eve PvP is so damn sexy. Don't numb yourself to it completely. You want it right on the edge of your consciousness always there but never robbing you of your self control. You can stay mentally calm through it with some practice, but I say don't try to completely lose the rush. You'll react faster with it. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:26:00 -
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I think an elevated heart rate is quite normal AT FIRST. You need to learn to calm down and think clearly because your emotions will screw you up. I think the Japanese call it "satori". You approach a life and death battle with business-like emotions.
I look at it as being no different than performing a musical instrument in front of an audience. If your emotions are rampant, you are far more likely to screw up. If you are calm, you can focus and execute much better.
I am not known for PvP in EvE, but I PvP in many other games, currently and in the past. That elevated heart rate is a big part of the reason people PvP and usually called "adrenaline rush". Simultaneously, too much of that and you'll forget all your practice/training and blow it. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
315
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:29:00 -
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Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to
focus on action's is this normal?
only you can tell what is nomral for you. but real risk in conflict where the outcome is not decided has been known to elevate heart rates. As opposed to ganking miners which never really gets hearts to elevated.. no the outcome has already been decided.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
138
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:35:00 -
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My first solo fight had my hands shaking, heart beating, breathing heavily. It lasted ages because i was in a maelstrom, after about 2 minutes of that adrenaline rush my arms actually felt heavy, i could barely click the mouse anymore. the fight lasted 5 minutes or so, and left me exhausted. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug, and while i am a little embarrassed that a mere computer game could do that to me, it sure was fun. :) |
Lexmana
643
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:38:00 -
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You got the shakes and now your stuck with EVE for a long time. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
379
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:40:00 -
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I am afraid an increased heart rate during PVP can only mean cancer. Time to start cooking meth.
If you need a friend call me @ (501) 444-CCNA |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:44:00 -
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Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to focus on action's is this normal?
Subconsciously your mind is failing to distinguish from real world risk of assets and threat to your being from virtual world risks/threat.
You really shouldn't feel any different in EVE than you would in CoD, Starcraft, or losing a piece in chess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
894
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:46:00 -
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There is one thing you should know about the Adrenaline Rush. Not everyone gets it. That is they get the adrenaline, but not the feeling of euphoria after.
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players.
People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:09:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to focus on action's is this normal? Subconsciously your mind is failing to distinguish from real world risk of assets and threat to your being from virtual world risks/threat. You really shouldn't feel any different in EVE than you would in CoD, Starcraft, or losing a piece in chess. Urgg Boolean wrote:I think an elevated heart rate is quite normal AT FIRST. You need to learn to calm down and think clearly because your emotions will screw you up. I think the Japanese call it "satori". You approach a life and death battle with business-like emotions. A life and death situation is driving down an Iraqi highway and hitting an IED, blacking out for a moment then gunning the accelerator back to base with blood and sweat running in your eyes while your trying to peer through the smoke coming off the blown radiator, while your machine gunner hangs limp, you not knowing if he's alive or dead. EVE is not a life or death situation.
You are right, of course. I was talking about the Samurai and how they train. They did engage in life and death battles. And their approach was "satori". Even though EvE is NOT life and death, we can still learn from real combatants and how they approach real battles. |
Clone 851912
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:36:00 -
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I have played many games with pvp elements in them and none have made me feel as eve does. I still find myself holding my breath between calling ship status,ect and my heart races with every keystroke or mouse click. Long after the fight I find myself thinking about how I could be better and faster for next time. |
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
111
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:38:00 -
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Consult your cardiologist prior to engaging in PvP in Eve Online.
Also, I have forwarded this thread to the FDA and requested a black box warning notifying users of the potential risks and side effects of using Eve Online (nausea, vomiting, elevated blood pressure, elevated heart rate, death, and/or exploding). |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
298
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:41:00 -
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Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to focus on action's is this normal?
Until bitter vet cures it, yes this is normal.
PS. Don't go to null sec, having your losses handed back to you for free from fleet ops, will stop you giving a **** about dying. 80% of the fun of fighting is the risk of meaningful loss. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
636
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:43:00 -
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hell I get that way when I am pvping in a t1 frigate... idk why and don't like it. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:02:00 -
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Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to focus on action's is this normal?
That depends, where was your other hand?
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Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
355
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:04:00 -
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For the first little while I felt this aswell, it'll pass with constant pvp...
Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:14:00 -
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If you get a huge adrenaline dump and it makes your thinking fuzzy or gives you the shakes, I HIGHLY recommend joining RvB.
It is fairly cheep (mostly frigs and cruisers), and has loose rules of engagement (Try to ship down if needed, equal fights, no pod killing, ect.).
Once you get no reaction from RvB its time to move up to small gang or solo work. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
The Marmite Collective
363
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:15:00 -
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That rush was both what initially attracted me to pvp in eve and what made me so bad at it. It has since mostly worn off, which makes me better.
On the other hand, sometimes I still get it when I'm doing something new, even if that thing has very little risk. The first freighter I safariid had this effect on me, even though there was not a damn thing the frieghter could have done. |
Bubanni
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:39:00 -
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When you get the shakes it means your a real eve player, once you had enough pvp experience to still focus, that is when you know your getting better and more confident
I don't really get the shakes anymore... I get smug faced instead 
For a while now I mainly done tackle catching stuff 200 km away before they realise they should have warped... I can't stop smiling when that happens
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
72
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:52:00 -
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mm i wish i had that i started pvp sinds the born of my char so i dont care about losing 1 ship or 200.... But now its getting older and losing my shiny implants well little bit of heard beating. Also notice i get it warm everytime i try to sneak up to some one. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
92
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:49:00 -
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You were THERE. |
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Lojak 2501
Chrome Legion
V0RTEX.
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:14:00 -
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best 1 yet
but all trolling aside?
yea was normal for me too and i LOVED IT. do it more and its get rather addictive
and pvp in other games becomes "meh"
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Zera Kerrigan
Dark Tempest Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:18:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:Seek medical attention immediately
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1018
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Posted - 2012.08.08 09:26:00 -
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Awesome thread  Welcome to EVE! A game that has some magic things done so right, that it fools your body to think that you are there. Savour that feeling, ride the wave, this is excellent value for the subscription money! To be able to log on pretty much whenever for a very modest monthly fee and get this kind of excitement at the comfort of your home is really something special.
Vincent Athena wrote:There is one thing you should know about the Adrenaline Rush. Not everyone gets it. That is they get the adrenaline, but not the feeling of euphoria after.
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players.
People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing.
I replied to this same post in some other thread a while back, but the discussion died then.
The actual term for the bodily reaction caused by pvp is the flight-or-flight response. It's a natural state of your body, launched by a stressful situation and aims to prep you to cope better when threatened- one could argue that without it, we wouldn't be here now, sable tigers would have eaten our ancestors :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response
Anyway, while the response has immediate adverse effects that can be experienced as feelings of sickness, it is not connected with an inherent negative emotional experience. Much like after an extreme workout, your whole body hurts like hell, but you still feel good in your head, why? Because of conditioning. You know from your previous experience, that this terrible state is good for you. Your body starts to connect the pain with positive emotions.
I believe the same conditioning works with flight-or-flight response. Obviously previous experiences and especially those gathered during childhood have a huge impact on how you take it. In EVE, if your fight-or-flight is connected with losses, you subconsciously connect the response with negative emotions... but if you win, you will start associating the rush of adrenaline and hundreds of other hormones with the sweetness of victory. Turning EVE into a promoter of eustress,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustress
I'm not denying that there wouldn't be any individual, genetic differences, and science certainly doesn't know what all the other hormones do to each person, but I do think that it is possible to condition yourself to enjoy the fight-or-flight response.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.08 09:33:00 -
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Caroline Cosmos wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:Wait till you survive a fight with less than 25% structure.
That really gets the adrenaline going. Nothing better than coming out of a fight on fire :)
Flying into a fight already on fire. |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.08.08 10:52:00 -
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Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to focus on action's is this normal?
It is serious when you fell presure on the lower part of your back. 
Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Tarn Kugisa
M.I.A.C Corporation
95
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:06:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:Seek medical attention immediately
I was reminded of the Half-Life HEV Suit
MAJOR LACERATIONS DETECTED
SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION
Well I'm wearing this suit than can protect me from direct rocket hits
and It tells me to seek medical attention when I get a laceration?
I Endorse this Product and/or Service
Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
196
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:06:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Caroline Cosmos wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:Wait till you survive a fight with less than 25% structure.
That really gets the adrenaline going. Nothing better than coming out of a fight on fire :) Flying into a fight already on fire.
Burning your guns out, running to station while buddy keeps tackle, come back with offline guns. |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
94
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Posted - 2012.08.08 14:23:00 -
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Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to focus on action's is this normal?
Not much point playing eve for anything else tbh.
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
234
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Posted - 2012.08.08 14:26:00 -
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Xaric Dreklore wrote:I was yesterday doing my first fleet battle and for some reason my heart was raiseing it felt really hard to focus on action's is this normal?
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2012.08.08 15:05:00 -
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Merovee wrote:This, my first fight, barely made it, wife looked over and asked "are you alright dear?" as I was huffing and had a death grip on the desk with the biggest smile on my face. Best 1 minute EVER!
Best minute ever? Your poor wife. |
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