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Vertisce Soritenshi O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.29 03:27:00 - [1] I was thinking about all the wasted SP I have in skills that I either have no use for or don't want at all. Then it occured to me that EvE is probably the only game I can think of that doesn't have a "reskill" option of some sort. I know you can change your stats once a year and that is great and all but what if we had an option to "buy" our SP back and redirect it into what we want? Lets say every 1000 SP costs 1 million ISK. Make it expensive to do but not SO expensive as nobody could use it. Then all that worthless SP could be put into skills I need or want to use now. I don't personally think this is too far out there as to be viable. A lot of the higher skills have a LOT of SP in them. You wouldn't see people...at least not many...respecing entirely. My 37 million SP pilot would cost 37 BILLION to respec. Lets say I didn't want Heavy Missile Spec anymore. It would cost 1.28 Billion ISK to drop it from Level 5 to untrained. Does this seem like a fair and good idea? Or is this something that would ruin the game? Another + to this is the economy. This would be one of those things that would take money OUT of the game completely and help with economy balance.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE	Posted - 2010.10.29 03:32:00 - [2] Reskilling should never and will never happen. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Bacon Slapper Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.10.29 03:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Reskilling should never and will never happen. It's called PLEX you noob. And you'll need 2
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.29 03:56:00 - [4] No I have to live with the fact that I can fly a Retreiver, you have to live with your choices. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Burhtun	Posted - 2010.10.29 03:58:00 - [5] I like the idea. Eve takes so much time to be able to do anything, and it has a steep learning curve so of course newbies are going to waste time training stuff they will later realize they don't want. I guess that might make it less of a RPG if you're not locked into your choices. But meh... its a game. Games should be a little forgiving. I also think you should be able to train all three character slots simultaneously though, so, I'm a bit of a heretic.
Valeronx Celestial Horizon Corp. Fallen Angels Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.29 04:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Reskilling should never and will never happen. I agree. Allowing people to buy a re-skill is microtransaction area a lot of the Playerbase is up in arms against. Please read some of the many threads and the recently released notes from the CSM meetings with CCP to see why things like this are probably a bad idea. .
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE	Posted - 2010.10.29 04:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 29/10/2010 04:34:42 Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 29/10/2010 04:32:37 Originally by: Bacon Slapper Originally by: Arthur Frayn Reskilling should never and will never happen. It's called PLEX you noob. And you'll need 2 -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Hidden Markov	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:02:00 - [8] I sense....faildari pilot who wants to respec instead of retrain for better pvp (pvp alliance, caldari char...been there, I know the pain). X-train like the rest of us have done or started to do. Many of the pita 5's have really lon trains that scream "are you sure you want to do this?". You said yes I did when you put them in your clone. Made your bed, lay in it lol.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Akita T on 29/10/2010 05:21:37 Learning how to ride a bicycle and suddenly forgetting how to do that should in no way help you in instantly learning how to draw manga. Extra laughs: Originally by: Bacon Slapper Originally by: Arthur Frayn Reskilling should never and will never happen. It's called PLEX you noob. And you'll need 2 That's reMAPPing, not reSKILLing, dingbat It's more like "hey, I realized I like drawing more than driving, so I'll pay more attention to drawing lessons than driving lessons from now on". _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Yelan Zhou Amarr Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:18:00 - [10] Edited by: Yelan Zhou on 29/10/2010 05:20:06 EVE is the only game that is missing alot of things in other MMOs are common. Thats the reason I play it.

Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Burhtun I like the idea. Eve takes so much time to be able to do anything, and it has a steep learning curve so of course newbies are going to waste time training stuff they will later realize they don't want. I guess that might make it less of a RPG if you're not locked into your choices. But meh... its a game. Agreed. Remapping for plex, why not reskilling for plex? All those ignorant new players who think mining is a good source of income .. it's really sad if that can't be made undone.
Alexila Quant Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Yelan Zhou Edited by: Yelan Zhou on 29/10/2010 05:20:06 EVE is the only game that is missing alot of things in other MMOs are common. Thats the reason I play it. QFT /thread. ;o
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:25:00 - [13] Not a new idea. Not a good idea. Not supported. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Remapping for plex, why not reskilling for plex? Jennifer, Darling... Because ! also, see above Quote: All those ignorant new players who think mining is a good source of income .. it's really sad if that can't be made undone. Meh, it's more like a "look how silly I was in the past" honour tanking badge. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
James Moroci	Posted - 2010.10.29 05:52:00 - [15] having reached 120 mill sp i know i have tons of skill i never uses. however i would never want to have em replaced. why should mistakes in the past not have impact in the future ??? the other day i booted diablo 2 up again, and to my disgrace i now saw that you could find eccense at all the high bosses. this you could mix in your cube and have all your skills reset. WHAT A JOKE. i uninstalled imidietly. if same ** happends in eve theres only one way for a lot of players.. uninstall.... live with the skills u trained damnit. who knows one day u might need em again anyways.. ffs i have skills inserted that are not even in the game.. alot has btw.. it only proves your oldschool... and as such an hounour. and would we really want caracters all trained in a perfect way ? im sure we all have some skills wich proves we once were carebears. so **ing what.. a converted carebear is more lethal than a true pvp player because he knows the value of hes ship and therefor look after it more probely. j/k but i say no to this silly idea.. and hoover my finger ower unsintstall button lol
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.10.29 06:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Reskilling should never and will never happen. It will happen just as soon as CCP realizes how much extra money they will make it with.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.10.29 06:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I was thinking about all the wasted SP I have in skills that I either have no use for or don't want at all. Then it occured to me that EvE is probably the only game I can think of that doesn't have a "reskill" option of some sort. I know you can change your stats once a year and that is great and all but what if we had an option to "buy" our SP back and redirect it into what we want? Lets say every 1000 SP costs 1 million ISK. Make it expensive to do but not SO expensive as nobody could use it. Then all that worthless SP could be put into skills I need or want to use now. I don't personally think this is too far out there as to be viable. A lot of the higher skills have a LOT of SP in them. You wouldn't see people...at least not many...respecing entirely. My 37 million SP pilot would cost 37 BILLION to respec. Lets say I didn't want Heavy Missile Spec anymore. It would cost 1.28 Billion ISK to drop it from Level 5 to untrained. Does this seem like a fair and good idea? Or is this something that would ruin the game? Another + to this is the economy. This would be one of those things that would take money OUT of the game completely and help with economy balance. Why not introduce buying plain skillpoints at the same time, just to bring the absurdity to its peak? Lets say 1 plex per 10 million sp? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.29 06:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I was thinking about all the wasted SP I have You don't have any. SP are never wasted, and even if they were, it's a good thing that people have to live with their choices and not chase the latest FOTM. Horrible horrible idea. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Blasphemour	Posted - 2010.10.29 06:56:00 - [19] Think before you train something... I think everyone has a couple of skills they hardly use or don't use at all. So? You picked it yourself so you can either live with it or biomass yourself (in game ofcourse...)
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.29 07:34:00 - [20] Ah the pain....it HURTS 1. I think the guy who said "you can, it's 2 PLEX" wanted to introduce a stealthcriticism about MT. At least that is how I understood it. 2. OP: WTF? If you want to relocated skill go to another MMORPG. Did you read only a few of the threads where the posters where willing to hang anyone at CCP for introducing "PLEX for Remap" and now you want to introduce even MORE Microtransactions? even for SP? You should really try to "interpret the mood". Anyway: If it does not seem obvious why its a bad idea (most of the same reasons why Micratransaktions are seen a bad way to do things in Eve already) then all hope is lost. Btw: Most skills have a use und you may be happy to have them at some point. Even Mining Skills on a combat character or whatever. But I got a "Skills under Level IV are ugly" fetish anyway so even may stepchild skills I never use should be at least to IV...

Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.29 07:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: Arthur Frayn Reskilling should never and will never happen. It will happen just as soon as CCP realizes how much extra money they will make it with. Then lose when Eve loses it's ability to keep players around. Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Hatechi	Posted - 2010.10.29 07:53:00 - [22] i absolutely HATE it when im killed straight after respawning, reskilling sucks
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.29 08:09:00 - [23] I had some extra RL cash, so I went to shattered crystal and purchased a time code. I took that time code and turned it into two PLEX's and sold them on the market. I took the isk and bought a Zealot (fully fit 135mil), some minerals to build fighters and I'm sitting on the rest of the isk now. I performed a micro-transaction.
MaBalls YoMouth	Posted - 2010.10.29 08:40:00 - [24] Edited by: MaBalls YoMouth on 29/10/2010 08:43:58 Originally by: Alara IonStorm No I have to live with the fact that I can fly a Retreiver, you have to live with your choices. Eve is a video game not RL try and and the distinction It's going to happen anyway it does not matter how many people whine, cry or threaten to quit. It's CCP's game and they will do whatver they want. They are a business and money talks. Plus World Of Darkness, Dust and eventually EVE 2 must be costing them a fortune. Looking forward to skill remaps, buying more skills and skill speedups and whatever else they bring. $$$ yes I'm drinking
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.29 08:46:00 - [25] It's a truly awful idea. However, if CCP decides that it has some commercial merit, then it will happen sooner or later. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.10.29 08:47:00 - [26] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 29/10/2010 08:50:35 /signed 1 million ISK to get rid of that embarrassing level in Mining that the old tutorial automatically gave my otherwise pure PvP character? Yes please. I don't even want the SP back, just give me a way to get rid of them and I'll be happy. (Though more seriously, it will be a cold day in hell when you get 1:1 SP transfer. Try 50% or less, and you might not be quite so crazy.) -----------

CCP Spitfire	Posted - 2010.10.29 09:01:00 - [27] Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.29 09:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Zagdul I had some extra RL cash, so [à] I performed a micro-transaction. No you didn't. You just made a standard trade. Nothing was spawned, nothing was added, nothing was removed, beyond what the standard mechanics of trading does (i.e. some ISK was flushed in taxes and fees). CCP gave you nothing. No mechanics were bypassed. Originally by: Merin Ryskin 1 million ISK to get rid of that embarrassing level in Mining that the old tutorial automatically gave my otherwise pure PvP character? Yes please. I don't even want the SP back, just give me a way to get rid of them and I'll be happy. Have you tried petitioning for it? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Rakrist Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.29 09:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Hatechi i absolutely HATE it when im killed straight after respawning, reskilling sucks This. Eve has enough camping as it is, the last thing we need is Bloodknights camping the graveyard in capital ships waiting to pop everyone who gets a res.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.29 10:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Zagdul I had some extra RL cash, so [à] I performed a micro-transaction. No you didn't. You just made a standard trade. Nothing was spawned, nothing was added, nothing was removed, beyond what the standard mechanics of trading does (i.e. some ISK was flushed in taxes and fees). CCP gave you nothing. No mechanics were bypassed. You can manufacture PLEX's now? Last I heard they were spawned.



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