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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 29/10/2010 18:26:53
Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.
Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?
By the time we get to Future(tm), which is way further than Soon(tm), computers will be so powerfull that each node will potentially able to hold a fleet fight with every New Eden pilot involved
Unfortunately, computers have stopped getting "faster". We have essentially hit the physical limit with regards to maximum clock speeds with silicon semiconductors. You will notice that the desktop processor with the *highest* clock speed is the Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.
That was 6 years ago.
Now most fast processors are in the 3-3.3GHz range, though there are some that go as high as 3.6 GHz. Simply put, Intel and AMD have COMPLETELY abandoned any attempts at making their processors "faster". They instead focus on multiple core processing which relies on multithreading to see any real speed increases.
Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors. Thus they will not see any improved performance in the future, unless CCP manages to make it possible for more than one node to support a single solar system.
EDIT: I should clarify - we haven't hit the theoretical ceiling yet for silicone. However, the amount of heat generated by processors is so great that it's impossible to raise clock speeds very high without excessive cooling systems. The current world record clock speed is at around 8.2 GHz (they use liquid nitrogen cooling to get clock speeds that high). However, my point is that stock clock speeds have essentially remained the same for over 6 years now. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin blablabla
Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors.
You have so little faith in CCP. By the time we hit Future(tm), they'll certainly figure a way to take advantage of the massive amount of cores processors will have ! _ Mining Crystal BPOs Angel Ships |
Captain Shikaka
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:51:00 -
[63]
I beg of you CCP,
Please leave downtime alone, it has come to be my "stop playing eve" notice. I fear for my life if downtime doesn't exist anymore......
Whoever is in the same boat as I am,
God help us all.
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Sul Trewtis
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 20:45:00 -
[64]
CCP, If you can remove DT I'm sure all kiwis and aussies will simultaneously thank and despise you.
Death to DT. -------------------------------------------------- Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience The most damage is done by those that know how and not why |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.29 21:21:00 -
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Well so much for those edge of the seat runs through/in lowsec pre/post DT to avoid teh gank squads, also what happens to missions that aren't completed before DT once DT is ultimately removed will this be the end to their being reset?
Similarly for leaving corp/dropping roles/wardec that are supposed to take 24hrs but at least one only needs until DT to come/go will those now actually work on 24hr timers or whut?
I know we aren't there yet but you can't drop a bomb like this and not expect questions.
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Bibosikus
Gallente The Wyld Hunt
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:47:00 -
[66]
"..cluster management is being re-architected."
Wait
What?
Who invented that word?
lol
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SgtRaider
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.30 01:52:00 -
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This will be a great day in EvE, no more winding down in the morning to wait for up time. Even worse for the folks over by CCP who have the DT during the middle of the day. Would be nice to have a "we will be taking the server down tonight for 15 minutes" warning every once in a while. Great Job on this.
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Oxylan
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Posted - 2010.10.30 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Oxylan on 30/10/2010 03:08:18 Great news, can you imagine EVE withaut DT ? this switch EvE to new dimension... a living immortal virtual world, game where no pause mode, awesome.
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Julienne Poirier
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.30 04:36:00 -
[69]
"In addition to this we have worked on the cluster shutdown procedure and startup procedure so that the cluster goes down and up faster."
i chuckled at this
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Chesrie
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Posted - 2010.10.30 09:34:00 -
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oh man. when shall i sleep than ???
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:00:00 -
[71]
Originally by: CCP Tranquility is one of the largest single-sharded Massively Multiplayer Online Games in operation.
Wait, what? You've never been shy about proclaiming you were the biggest. Is there another bigger one now? |
Lors Dornick
Caldari Untied Dysleckticks
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres So post DT officer spawns will be a thing of the past and we are reduced to continuously cleaning belts and hoping for luck?
This and other "post DT" rushes.
While a bit annoying it does sound like a good thing.
Having the universe resetting once a day on a given schedule is a bit of an immersion breaker ;)
Snotty Amarrian Slaver: You are a lowly beast you must do as I say! Angry Minmatar Rebel: And you are a despicable abuse of living tissue, I will sing in joy when I can use your intestines as suspenders! Snotty Amarrian Slaver: That's it! You will die! Dog! Angry Minmatar Rebel: Erh, dude, we'll better wait until after the universe does it's daily reset.
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chruker
Originally by: Double Dee 1st!
Maybe in some other universe
Anyway, great job on reducing the DT.
Have you been able to shift maintenance jobs so they can be done while TQ is open or have their need been eleminated.
We have done both. Over the past 2 years, all new services and upgrades to existing services have been implemented/optimized so that they are not dependant on the daily downtime. Death to downtimes ! |
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Plastician Great news, but can we be trusted to take our own breaks? Is this really a responsible thing to be doing to us?
Haha, I trust you to decide when you need a break Death to downtimes ! |
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.
Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?
We are already able to remap systems during runtime but it requires to disconnect all users.(The node doesnt reboot.) As the project moves forward we will hopefully be able to provide better user experience for the remaps. Death to downtimes ! |
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ulair Memmet So use the improvements that you guys made in the DT-progress and give yourself a little room for mistakes.
We already have 10-15 minutes buffer in there. If we need more downtime than officially announced. We will of course let the players know via Message Of the Day and on the forums. Death to downtimes ! |
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran Similarly for leaving corp/dropping roles/wardec that are supposed to take 24hrs but at least one only needs until DT to come/go will those now actually work on 24hr timers or whut?
I know we aren't there yet but you can't drop a bomb like this and not expect questions.
Tbh, I put my flame suit on preparing for the worst but all questions/concerns so far are good and constructive.
We will of course make sure that all timers you described above will work as intended when moving forward. Death to downtimes ! |
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2010.10.30 16:27:00 -
[78]
I bet no downtime pleases down under.
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Syekuda
Valor Inc. Valor Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.30 20:58:00 -
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This must be the most idiotic question ever but with CCP's reputation are you sure 30 minutes is enough for a downtime. I mean almost each mistakes you made requires wayyyy more than 1 hour of downtime. With no updates this resulted into a mass colective suicide emo rage quit cult.
Again, is 30 minutes a good thing ? Honestly, I was happy with 1h. Besides it wasn't in my timezone so I didn't care about it either. Even if it was, it would be a small break to go away from my computer. Which is always good for everyone.
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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Che Biko I bet no downtime pleases down under.
Actually, like in many MMOs, a "Go to bed!" reminder isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
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MP Rhianna
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Posted - 2010.10.30 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda This must be the most idiotic question ever but with CCP's reputation are you sure 30 minutes is enough for a downtime. I mean almost each mistakes you made requires wayyyy more than 1 hour of downtime. With no updates this resulted into a mass colective suicide emo rage quit cult.
Again, is 30 minutes a good thing ? Honestly, I was happy with 1h. Besides it wasn't in my timezone so I didn't care about it either. Even if it was, it would be a small break to go away from my computer. Which is always good for everyone.
I remember when DT was typically under an hour then mostly went to just over 1/2 hr and most recently was like 15minutes and under except for a short stint before a patch/expansion IIRC so they can manage a shorter DT. We'll have to wait and see if all their improvements are stable enough to hold to it, I personally like having the game shutdown for a short bit but whatever, people across the world get mad cause they are upside down, their toilets flush in the wrong direction, DT lets them go grab a cup of coffee and then they have to deal with people in their homes.
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.31 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Unfortunately, computers have stopped getting "faster". We have essentially hit the physical limit with regards to maximum clock speeds with silicon semiconductors. You will notice that the desktop processor with the *highest* clock speed is the Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.
That was 6 years ago.
Now most fast processors are in the 3-3.3GHz range, though there are some that go as high as 3.6 GHz. Simply put, Intel and AMD have COMPLETELY abandoned any attempts at making their processors "faster". They instead focus on multiple core processing which relies on multithreading to see any real speed increases.
Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors. Thus they will not see any improved performance in the future, unless CCP manages to make it possible for more than one node to support a single solar system.
EDIT: I should clarify - we haven't hit the theoretical ceiling yet for silicone. However, the amount of heat generated by processors is so great that it's impossible to raise clock speeds very high without excessive cooling systems. The current world record clock speed is at around 8.2 GHz (they use liquid nitrogen cooling to get clock speeds that high). However, my point is that stock clock speeds have essentially remained the same for over 6 years now.
The Future
Thought that would interest you.
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Grady Eltoren
Minmatar Aviation Professionals for EVE
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Posted - 2010.10.31 03:52:00 -
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One word - EPIC! \0/
I have lived (learned to live with and sometimes liked really) this down time thing since I started EVE and I hadn't even fathomed it might actually go away some day.
Crazy! Good job CCP.
Things are really changing these days in EVE - all for the better too (for the most part!)
Good work!
Aviation Professionals for EVE (APEVE)
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Lynn Deniera
Caldari The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.31 05:47:00 -
[84]
Im actually surprised you are working toward a downtime-less future. The downtime has become part of the ebb and flow of eve, both culturally and technically. I'm not sure how I'd feel about there not being a downtime... would it change things ingame? would I miss it? would it effect the 23hour cycle of eve.
I always noticed that the server is usually quite full just before downtime, and then after downtime it dropped and there is a slow and gradual build-up of people coming back online. This is what I mean about the ebb and flow.
I am curious, is there a reason you want to have a downtime-less Eve? Is it simply that you believe there is a desire from the playerbase for it?
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Brannor McThife
Caldari Lambent Enterprises Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.31 22:32:00 -
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As an import into Aus from the EU timezone, I appreciate this move (I'm sure we've whined about moving DT enough), but as with many, am interested in how this impacts things that happened ingame over DT. NPC market ships, asteroids, exploration sites, etc.
-G
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2010.11.01 00:24:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 01/11/2010 00:27:49 I'd like to chime in and say it's a bad move, because:
23/7 rolled off the fingers, 23.5/7 is annoying to type.
So, swiftly on to 24/7!
As for the respawns and such, they'll be spread out over the day and we'll have endless debates on the forum whether veldspar respawn happens at 3 or 4 o'clock.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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zandayus
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Posted - 2010.11.01 00:42:00 -
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blessed are they who expect nothing.for they shall not be disapponted.this is just another example of technology aggorance.may your downtime be forever.
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.11.01 22:23:00 -
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Question for CCP Hunter:
Which of us came first, me or you?
6/10/2003 11:44:22 AM is when I showed up :P ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting |
Visoreds
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:08:00 -
[89]
Good info, and I was just thinking about this the other day. Right on and looking forward to 'no daily downtime'.
So, does this mean there will be some type of weekly or monthly maintenance instead?
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gonesideways
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Posted - 2010.11.03 11:57:00 -
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hmk
Someone asked in thread if cloaky *****es will be able to stand indefinitely in system
i think this is a valid question, whats the answer? If you don't yet have an approach to it why not a auto-logout due to inactivity
oh right that'd hurt the macros :/
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