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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:35:00 -
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CCP Hunter's new dev blog shares details on what occurs during daily downtimes, and how we are working towards reducing them to zero. Read all about it here.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Kelby
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:42:00 -
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Great news, keep up the good work!
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Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:48:00 -
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Dunno if I'll be able to run to the store in under 12 minutes =/. Good job!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 29/10/2010 10:51:48
\o/
and also... this future now means we have to take control over our breaks outselves... I'm scared...
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: TeaDaze on 29/10/2010 10:50:43
Excellent news 
Also IBC?
Edit - Bah, fail 
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SwissChris1
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:52:00 -
[6]
 Originally by: devblog
Tranquility is one of the largest single-sharded Massively Multiplayer Online Games
Sharded? Isn't that when you fart a little poop comes out?
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Double Dee
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:53:00 -
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1st!
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Chruker
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Posted - 2010.10.29 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Double Dee
1st!
Maybe in some other universe 
Anyway, great job on reducing the DT.
Have you been able to shift maintenance jobs so they can be done while TQ is open or have their need been eleminated.
----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online -----
Top wishes:
- No daily downtime
- Faster training on sisi
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Charles Javeroux
Gallente
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:06:00 -
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Yay \o/...let the good news roll
Originally by: Orek Fear
I guess the ultimate solution to inflation in EVE turned out to be an NPC stripper...
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:07:00 -
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I have to read this quick Downtime kepps gettin shorter!
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Plastician
Invictus Australis
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:18:00 -
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Great news, but can we be trusted to take our own breaks? Is this really a responsible thing to be doing to us? 
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:23:00 -
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Great news...and really something to look forward to and am curious to see how things like asteroid re-seeding and other "DT Depdendent" activities get addressed when there is no more downtime.
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Zabby Gabby
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Zabby Gabby on 29/10/2010 11:31:36
Nice!
Except without a downtime it will be so much easier for people to macromine/courir/mission/rat. (turn macro on and go on a holiday)
Not sure I would like that. 
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee
! am curious to see how things like asteroid re-seeding gets addressed when there is no more downtime.
They come flying in from all Directions, if your in a Belt at 11 run.
Run as fast as you can and don't look back!
But all joking aside it just means we will get to see Criba Jetisoning it from the Veldnought.
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:31:00 -
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I wish I could read all these Dev blogs.
Sadly with downtime over so quickly lately I just don't the time any more. :(
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:35:00 -
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Words cannot begin to express how pleased I am with this initiative. These blogs are why I subscribe.
Fscking Impressive! Keep it up. 
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Da Trader
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:36:00 -
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Previously I had one hour of real life, now I won't have any, damn you CCP! 
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Arthur Pewty
Zener Tech.
Skynet 7
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:38:00 -
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So was this bad timing or what - 11:36 and the Server status is still "Unknown" :)
Also for the Pedants out there - can you fix the server time, its off by over 1 minute. Also can you fix my clients time - varies from server by up to 30 seconds. |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Da Trader
Previously I had one hour of real life, now I won't have any, damn you CCP!
I have been learn to sleep with my eyes open in anticipation.
So much healthier then my old one hour sleep method.
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:39:00 -
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But but but... if downtime is only 30 minutes, what will happen to the saying of "23/7"? 
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About Mesale
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:42:00 -
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So in a world without DT, what will happen to 0.0 players who get stuck in space due to one of the literally dozens of things that sometimes go wrong? I'm thinking specifically of systems not loading the characters properly and not ending their sessions, leaving people stranded with unusable characters until someone restarts the system.
As you might be aware, GMs refuse to support 0.0 players with these matters. There is the very real risk of getting people stuck for however long it might be until a node is rebooted.
To tell a campfire story, during 2009 i was travelling with a fleet around 100 people through period basis towards delve. We were somewhat scattered over three systems and moving fast, when suddenly one of the systems on our way just trapped people. They did not load grid while chat worked fine. Nobody could move and relogging didn't work.
Four hours and several escalated petitions later, there was still no gm willing to reboot the node, kill our sessions, or do whatever it takes to get out of there. All of us had to wait until DT to be able to leave the system again.
There were precisely two hostiles in that system, trapped with us..
So, long story short: You're aware that unless you revise GM policies, a "no downtime" doctrine will severely hurt 0.0 players?
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Halvus
Minmatar
Sons Of 0din
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Pewty
So was this bad timing or what - 11:36 and the Server status is still "Unknown" :)
It's known as Murphy's Law. (taps fingers waiting for TQ to come online) 
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kile Kitmoore on 29/10/2010 11:46:55
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It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime. How awesome will that be!
A worthwhile goal, good luck reaching it. Gratz on reducing downtime! Maybe as CCP gets closer to their ultimate goal you can outline how in-game seeding and calculations that were performed during downtime will work.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:45:00 -
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No downtime would be nice at it will make exploring so much easier (static signature IDs). :)
Originally by: Arthur Pewty
So was this bad timing or what - 11:36 and the Server status is still "Unknown" :)
Yup I was wondering the same. We'll probably see a lot of extended downtimes in the future.
Originally by: Arthur Pewty
Also for the Pedants out there - can you fix the server time, its off by over 1 minute. Also can you fix my clients time - varies from server by up to 30 seconds.
I've seen client time vary by 2 minutes between 2 clients run on the same machine. Just disregard client time...
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:47:00 -
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hi cat here
hmm this is all very well but if there is no downtime then how will people ever get in through 0.0 choke points? straight before and after was the best time lol 
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Little Bruggie
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:47:00 -
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Oh, starting up with less than 3 minutes to go... woohoo only 20 minutes of extended downtime :D
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Pewty
So was this bad timing or what - 11:36 and the Server status is still "Unknown" :)
Also for the Pedants out there - can you fix the server time, its off by over 1 minute. Also can you fix my clients time - varies from server by up to 30 seconds.
Well, it's not November 1st yet. At least on this planet ;)
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:51:00 -
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Ohhhh, stealth Factional Warfare fix :-D
Thanks CCP
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SwissChris1
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here
hmm this is all very well but if there is no downtime then how will people ever get in through 0.0 choke points? straight before and after was the best time lol
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QFT.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.29 11:56:00 -
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This is great news and/or work, but your graph is missing a Ö after the soon.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:14:00 -
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Wait wait .. if there's zero downtime in the future, how are people going to know about the daily re-spawn?
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Elsa Nietzsche
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:17:00 -
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While I too am happy for the progress CCP has made, let's not forget how important database optimization is, nor purge jobs.
Also, you're missing the Ö from SoonÖ
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T'Amber
www.shipsofeve.com
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:18:00 -
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NEW ZEALAND AND BABY JESUS REJOICE.
THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH!
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:18:00 -
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Hmm, how will you grief the Aussies with no DT? 
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Amicus Morte
Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:34:00 -
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EU/US TZ NEEDS LOVE TOO !
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this!
Clear Skies - The Movie
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SGT Deathbringer
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:37:00 -
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WTF! First you gave us 1 hour of sleep per day, now its 20 - 30 mins of sleep per day.
and you are working on it so we have no time to sleep??? ARE U SERIOUS!?!?!?
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Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:46:00 -
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WTF man, how do you expect the married players to keep their wives happy now? they had 1 hour a day for attention, someday in the future there will be no time for them at all... (aside from patch days)
So much for DT quickies because you have to sleep, cook, eat, do shopping as well
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Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world.
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Moonsayer Tsai
Wayward Collections
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:49:00 -
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I must admit, CCP is very impressive in terms of how they blog. Very. Kudos to all teams involved, and whomever kicked whomever's butt to get the recent trend of "information overload" going.
I myself work with databases; DBAs worldwide lament how buggy the RDBMS software is (no matter it be from Microsoft, Oracle, Sybase... can't speak to IBM), and CCP's outreach efforts put all these big companies to shame. (calling Sybase "big" in this context is perhaps too generous).
Keep it up, CCP!
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Hawk TT
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.29 13:17:00 -
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I guess CCP Fallout meant "single-shard", but technically speaking, it's "single-sharded", 'cause of the shard in China, required due to the weird government regulations...
Originally by: SwissChris1
Originally by: devblog
Tranquility is one of the largest single-sharded Massively Multiplayer Online Games
Sharded? Isn't that when you fart a little poop comes out?
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Science & Diplomacy Manager @ BECKS
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Altaree
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.29 13:33:00 -
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Thank you for continually working to make sure that no timezones have a benefit due to DT respawns. I look forward to you finishing this process.
TL;DR
No DT? SQUEEEEEE!
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Lors Dornick
Caldari
Untied Dysleckticks
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Posted - 2010.10.29 13:38:00 -
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Cutting down on and planning to get rid of DT is an amazing feat by CCP.
But getting a DBA to produce information that is comprehensible without the use of obscure tools is absolutely astonishing!
More dev blogs and more technobabble to the starving audience!
// Lors |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.10.29 14:24:00 -
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Good on ya cobba.
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Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2010.10.29 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: "CCP Hunter"
In the old days, systems in EVE Online were built on the fact that there was daily downtime. In the last few years no new code has been produced that relies on downtime and a great deal of work has been done in removing old dependencies on downtime. You could say that we are still paying for past sins.
The APR for software engineering hacks is 79%.
--A Software Engineer
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Gripen
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.10.29 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hunter
It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.
Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter
It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.
Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?
By the time we get to Future(tm), which is way further than Soon(tm), computers will be so powerfull that each node will potentially able to hold a fleet fight with every New Eden pilot involved
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Mining Crystal BPOs
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
CCP Hunter's new dev blog shares details on what occurs during daily downtimes, and how we are working towards reducing them to zero. Read all about it here.
NOOOOOOO!!!!! When are CCP going to learn???? By completely removing the downtime lots of your players will lose their daily feeding time! When theres no downtime there will be no feeding time, and as such people will in the end succumb to starvation!! Starving players are bad m'kay!! Its bad enough reducing their feeding and showering time by half!
(good work though )
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:07:00 -
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Nice that you are trying to optimize the downtime and such, but tbh i cannot understand why you are shortening it too.
I predict the following will happen:
The first few downtimes will be 20-30 minutes just fine.
But then "something" will happen and we will have 40-50 minutes. And this will happen every few days/weeks.
Result: Especially the newer players who can't understand the reason for DT will go emo everytime you guys make a little mistake. This rage will accumulate over a few weeks, lowering the trust in CCP once again and you will have no effective benefit from lowering the DT at all.
So why not keeping the DT at 1 hour "offically" but have the server up again at 11:20-11:30 nonetheless. That will make people happy because the server is up earlier than they expect (I know it makes me happy everytime it happens now). And even if problems arise and DT takes longer, players won't care because that's the expected length of the downtime anyway.
So use the improvements that you guys made in the DT-progress and give yourself a little room for mistakes.
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inexistin
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: inexistin on 29/10/2010 16:09:58
Damn. No DT. I'm ****ed. I'm gonna starve to death.
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Orange Faeces
The Squirt Locker
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:23:00 -
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Right now, this very moment, Russians are upset. They are sad and despondent. What will they do without belt-rat respawns so that they can farm all the officers? How will their sov. survive without the 2x tower-spam advantage in their time-zone? What will become of 1/3rd of 0.0?!
Take this moment and think of the Russians you know. Pray for them now.
oF
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Faolan Fortune
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter
It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.
Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?
Exactly what I was going to ask.
Man, no DT... that's just odd to think about. Awesome though.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:09:00 -
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Hey, cool dev blog. I'm a little surprised you guys can fit everything in 1.5TB. Well, good job - death to down times!
-Liang
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Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
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Sevarian
Minmatar
Void Angels
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarian on 29/10/2010 17:13:12
I would say that till we have issues with huge fleet battles, (200+ in local) will start making server side lagging in game, we need DT as much as possible. Atleast we need once a week DT what fix all the usual problems. Problem what most EU and late AU tz players has is that the DT is during the day and it is bad. Option to set DT into early morning in EU tz, late night US tz and during the day on AU tz. So what we going to have is most 2 heavy Timezones covert (+ not sure on AU / asian usage). This incomming 30min isn't so bad at all (EU is happy , US is happy, most AU tz is happy). Pushing DT to time where server has less people online in same time would be best. 
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Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarian
Edited by: Sevarian on 29/10/2010 17:13:12
I would say that till we have issues with huge fleet battles, (200+ in local) will start making server side lagging in game, we need DT as much as possible. Atleast we need once a week DT what fix all the usual problems. Problem what most EU and late AU tz players has is that the DT is during the day and it is bad. Option to set DT into early morning in EU tz, late night US tz and during the day on AU tz. So what we going to have is most 2 heavy Timezones covert (+ not sure on AU / asian usage). This incomming 30min isn't so bad at all (EU is happy , US is happy, most AU tz is happy). Pushing DT to time where server has less people online in same time would be best.
Downtime is done when it's best for CCP, not best for the players. I'm positive I don't want engineers or staff working on TQ at 4 in the morning =).
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Edgars Sults
The Executives
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:29:00 -
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So that means in the future cloaked afk alts will be able to stay in a system indefinitely? wow
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:33:00 -
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If you're getting it down to 30 mins...
Why not stay online. Popup an indicator during downtime saying that 'semidowntime is happening and you might experience lag' and do the backups and whatever over say a period of 1 hour and have only 50% performance degradation.
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Komen
Gallente
Flying Target LLC
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:39:00 -
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IAC.
Very good news. Thank you CCP. Me <3 you long time.
Also - the Eve database is ONLY 1.5 terabytes? Somehow I thought it would be bigger.
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente
Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:42:00 -
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I think the aussies and kiwis will be weeping with joy at the death of downtime.
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Borg Slave
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:04:00 -
[58]
Oh great
we just need to start saying that we play 23.5/7 now
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Keiko Kobayashi
Amarr
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
Wait wait .. if there's zero downtime in the future, how are people going to know about the daily re-spawn?
Are there plans to susbtitute for a daily grandfather clock chime ingame?
That would be cool :).
(They should pick the Westminster one for the Japanese players ;).)
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Hyveres
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:15:00 -
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So post DT officer spawns will be a thing of the past and we are reduced to continuously cleaning belts and hoping for luck?
"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot."
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 29/10/2010 18:26:53
Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter
It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.
Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?
By the time we get to Future(tm), which is way further than Soon(tm), computers will be so powerfull that each node will potentially able to hold a fleet fight with every New Eden pilot involved
Unfortunately, computers have stopped getting "faster". We have essentially hit the physical limit with regards to maximum clock speeds with silicon semiconductors. You will notice that the desktop processor with the *highest* clock speed is the Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.
That was 6 years ago.
Now most fast processors are in the 3-3.3GHz range, though there are some that go as high as 3.6 GHz. Simply put, Intel and AMD have COMPLETELY abandoned any attempts at making their processors "faster". They instead focus on multiple core processing which relies on multithreading to see any real speed increases.
Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors. Thus they will not see any improved performance in the future, unless CCP manages to make it possible for more than one node to support a single solar system.
EDIT: I should clarify - we haven't hit the theoretical ceiling yet for silicone. However, the amount of heat generated by processors is so great that it's impossible to raise clock speeds very high without excessive cooling systems. The current world record clock speed is at around 8.2 GHz (they use liquid nitrogen cooling to get clock speeds that high). However, my point is that stock clock speeds have essentially remained the same for over 6 years now.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
blablabla
Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors.
You have so little faith in CCP. By the time we hit Future(tm), they'll certainly figure a way to take advantage of the massive amount of cores processors will have !
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Mining Crystal BPOs
Angel Ships |
Captain Shikaka
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:51:00 -
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I beg of you CCP,
Please leave downtime alone, it has come to be my "stop playing eve" notice. I fear for my life if downtime doesn't exist anymore......
Whoever is in the same boat as I am,
God help us all.
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Sul Trewtis
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.29 20:45:00 -
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CCP, If you can remove DT I'm sure all kiwis and aussies will simultaneously thank and despise you.
Death to DT.
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Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience
The most damage is done by those that know how and not why |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.29 21:21:00 -
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Well so much for those edge of the seat runs through/in lowsec pre/post DT to avoid teh gank squads, also what happens to missions that aren't completed before DT once DT is ultimately removed will this be the end to their being reset?
Similarly for leaving corp/dropping roles/wardec that are supposed to take 24hrs but at least one only needs until DT to come/go will those now actually work on 24hr timers or whut?
I know we aren't there yet but you can't drop a bomb like this and not expect questions.
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Bibosikus
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:47:00 -
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"..cluster management is being re-architected."
Wait
What?
Who invented that word?
lol
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SgtRaider
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.30 01:52:00 -
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This will be a great day in EvE, no more winding down in the morning to wait for up time. Even worse for the folks over by CCP who have the DT during the middle of the day. Would be nice to have a "we will be taking the server down tonight for 15 minutes" warning every once in a while. Great Job on this.
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Oxylan
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Posted - 2010.10.30 03:03:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Oxylan on 30/10/2010 03:08:18
Great news, can you imagine EVE withaut DT ? this switch EvE to new dimension... a living immortal virtual world, game where no pause mode, awesome.
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Julienne Poirier
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.30 04:36:00 -
[69]
"In addition to this we have worked on the cluster shutdown procedure and startup procedure so that the cluster goes down and up faster."
i chuckled at this
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Chesrie
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Posted - 2010.10.30 09:34:00 -
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oh man. when shall i sleep than ???
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:00:00 -
[71]
Originally by: CCP
Tranquility is one of the largest single-sharded Massively Multiplayer Online Games in operation.
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Lors Dornick
Caldari
Untied Dysleckticks
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Hyveres
So post DT officer spawns will be a thing of the past and we are reduced to continuously cleaning belts and hoping for luck?
This and other "post DT" rushes.
While a bit annoying it does sound like a good thing.
Having the universe resetting once a day on a given schedule is a bit of an immersion breaker ;)
Snotty Amarrian Slaver: You are a lowly beast you must do as I say!
Angry Minmatar Rebel: And you are a despicable abuse of living tissue, I will sing in joy when I can use your intestines as suspenders!
Snotty Amarrian Slaver: That's it! You will die! Dog!
Angry Minmatar Rebel: Erh, dude, we'll better wait until after the universe does it's daily reset.
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:26:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Chruker
Originally by: Double Dee
1st!
Maybe in some other universe
Anyway, great job on reducing the DT.
Have you been able to shift maintenance jobs so they can be done while TQ is open or have their need been eleminated.
We have done both. Over the past 2 years, all new services and upgrades to existing services have been implemented/optimized so that they are not dependant on the daily downtime.
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:26:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Plastician
Great news, but can we be trusted to take our own breaks? Is this really a responsible thing to be doing to us?
Haha, I trust you to decide when you need a break
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:27:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter
It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.
Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?
We are already able to remap systems during runtime but it requires to disconnect all users.(The node doesnt reboot.) As the project moves forward we will hopefully be able to provide better user experience for the remaps.
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:31:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Ulair Memmet
So use the improvements that you guys made in the DT-progress and give yourself a little room for mistakes.
We already have 10-15 minutes buffer in there. If we need more downtime than officially announced. We will of course let the players know via Message Of the Day and on the forums.
Death to downtimes ! |
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CCP Hunter.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:40:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Bhattran
Similarly for leaving corp/dropping roles/wardec that are supposed to take 24hrs but at least one only needs until DT to come/go will those now actually work on 24hr timers or whut?
I know we aren't there yet but you can't drop a bomb like this and not expect questions.
Tbh, I put my flame suit on preparing for the worst but all questions/concerns so far are good and constructive.
We will of course make sure that all timers you described above will work as intended when moving forward.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2010.10.30 16:27:00 -
[78]
I bet no downtime pleases down under.
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Syekuda
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.30 20:58:00 -
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This must be the most idiotic question ever but with CCP's reputation are you sure 30 minutes is enough for a downtime. I mean almost each mistakes you made requires wayyyy more than 1 hour of downtime. With no updates this resulted into a mass colective suicide emo rage quit cult.
Again, is 30 minutes a good thing ? Honestly, I was happy with 1h. Besides it wasn't in my timezone so I didn't care about it either. Even if it was, it would be a small break to go away from my computer. Which is always good for everyone.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Che Biko
I bet no downtime pleases down under.
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MP Rhianna
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Posted - 2010.10.30 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda
This must be the most idiotic question ever but with CCP's reputation are you sure 30 minutes is enough for a downtime. I mean almost each mistakes you made requires wayyyy more than 1 hour of downtime. With no updates this resulted into a mass colective suicide emo rage quit cult.
Again, is 30 minutes a good thing ? Honestly, I was happy with 1h. Besides it wasn't in my timezone so I didn't care about it either. Even if it was, it would be a small break to go away from my computer. Which is always good for everyone.
I remember when DT was typically under an hour then mostly went to just over 1/2 hr and most recently was like 15minutes and under except for a short stint before a patch/expansion IIRC so they can manage a shorter DT. We'll have to wait and see if all their improvements are stable enough to hold to it, I personally like having the game shutdown for a short bit but whatever, people across the world get mad cause they are upside down, their toilets flush in the wrong direction, DT lets them go grab a cup of coffee and then they have to deal with people in their homes.
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.31 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Unfortunately, computers have stopped getting "faster". We have essentially hit the physical limit with regards to maximum clock speeds with silicon semiconductors. You will notice that the desktop processor with the *highest* clock speed is the Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.
That was 6 years ago.
Now most fast processors are in the 3-3.3GHz range, though there are some that go as high as 3.6 GHz. Simply put, Intel and AMD have COMPLETELY abandoned any attempts at making their processors "faster". They instead focus on multiple core processing which relies on multithreading to see any real speed increases.
Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors. Thus they will not see any improved performance in the future, unless CCP manages to make it possible for more than one node to support a single solar system.
EDIT: I should clarify - we haven't hit the theoretical ceiling yet for silicone. However, the amount of heat generated by processors is so great that it's impossible to raise clock speeds very high without excessive cooling systems. The current world record clock speed is at around 8.2 GHz (they use liquid nitrogen cooling to get clock speeds that high). However, my point is that stock clock speeds have essentially remained the same for over 6 years now.
The Future
Thought that would interest you.
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Grady Eltoren
Minmatar
Aviation Professionals for EVE
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Posted - 2010.10.31 03:52:00 -
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One word - EPIC! \0/
I have lived (learned to live with and sometimes liked really) this down time thing since I started EVE and I hadn't even fathomed it might actually go away some day.
Crazy! Good job CCP.
Things are really changing these days in EVE - all for the better too (for the most part!)
Good work!
Aviation Professionals for EVE (APEVE)
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Lynn Deniera
Caldari
The Foreign Legion
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.31 05:47:00 -
[84]
Im actually surprised you are working toward a downtime-less future. The downtime has become part of the ebb and flow of eve, both culturally and technically. I'm not sure how I'd feel about there not being a downtime... would it change things ingame? would I miss it? would it effect the 23hour cycle of eve.
I always noticed that the server is usually quite full just before downtime, and then after downtime it dropped and there is a slow and gradual build-up of people coming back online. This is what I mean about the ebb and flow.
I am curious, is there a reason you want to have a downtime-less Eve? Is it simply that you believe there is a desire from the playerbase for it?
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Brannor McThife
Caldari
Lambent Enterprises
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.31 22:32:00 -
[85]
As an import into Aus from the EU timezone, I appreciate this move (I'm sure we've whined about moving DT enough), but as with many, am interested in how this impacts things that happened ingame over DT. NPC market ships, asteroids, exploration sites, etc.
-G
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2010.11.01 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 01/11/2010 00:27:49
I'd like to chime in and say it's a bad move, because:
23/7 rolled off the fingers, 23.5/7 is annoying to type.
So, swiftly on to 24/7!
As for the respawns and such, they'll be spread out over the day and we'll have endless debates on the forum whether veldspar respawn happens at 3 or 4 o'clock.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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zandayus
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Posted - 2010.11.01 00:42:00 -
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blessed are they who expect nothing.for they shall not be disapponted.this is just another example of technology aggorance.may your downtime be forever.
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.11.01 22:23:00 -
[88]
Question for CCP Hunter:
Which of us came first, me or you?
6/10/2003 11:44:22 AM is when I showed up :P
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Visoreds
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:08:00 -
[89]
Good info, and I was just thinking about this the other day. Right on and looking forward to 'no daily downtime'.
So, does this mean there will be some type of weekly or monthly maintenance instead?
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gonesideways
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Posted - 2010.11.03 11:57:00 -
[90]
hmk
Someone asked in thread if cloaky *****es will be able to stand indefinitely in system
i think this is a valid question, whats the answer? If you don't yet have an approach to it why not a auto-logout due to inactivity
oh right that'd hurt the macros :/
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Max Cetera
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Posted - 2010.11.03 20:27:00 -
[91]
Originally by: gonesideways
hmk
Someone asked in thread if cloaky *****es will be able to stand indefinitely in system
i think this is a valid question, whats the answer? If you don't yet have an approach to it why not a auto-logout due to inactivity
oh right that'd hurt the macros :/
Sir,
Your trolling abilities are close to level 0. You might want to learn that macros aren't affected by inactivity since they're ...hmm ... macros. And thus sending commands to the game every few seconds/minutes just like a real player would 
I recommend that you biomass this alt (and your main if possible) and never come back. That way, you won't also be tempted to afk cloak in high sec to grief mission runners.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.11.03 23:21:00 -
[92]
If a macro glitches out and stops sending commands, I would think the macro user would WANT an auto logout due to inactivity.
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Ramman K'arojic
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Posted - 2010.11.04 06:56:00 -
[93]
Tell you what I will take your 7 x 30 min down times and exchange it for 2 x 1 hour down times a week. Just an idea.
But this is a giant step for people who are time zone dis-advantaged.
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llRKllPuppykiller
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:00:00 -
[94]
Awesome! But a quick question, will there still be DT? like a weekly or monthly thing?
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Morpheus Mishima
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.04 19:42:00 -
[95]
Originally by: llRKllPuppykiller
Awesome! But a quick question, will there still be DT? like a weekly or monthly thing?
There will not be a weekly or monthly "fixed" DT. However, there will be a patchly and a fail-ly DT.
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gonesideways
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Posted - 2010.11.06 22:24:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Max Cetera
Originally by: gonesideways
hmk
Someone asked in thread if cloaky *****es will be able to stand indefinitely in system
i think this is a valid question, whats the answer? If you don't yet have an approach to it why not a auto-logout due to inactivity
oh right that'd hurt the macros :/
Sir,
Your trolling abilities are close to level 0. You might want to learn that macros aren't affected by inactivity since they're ...hmm ... macros. And thus sending commands to the game every few seconds/minutes just like a real player would
I recommend that you biomass this alt (and your main if possible) and never come back. That way, you won't also be tempted to afk cloak in high sec to grief mission runners.
nah jus wanna nerf the cloakies
thanks tho
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CannonFodder82
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Posted - 2010.11.07 00:41:00 -
[97]
Why is it im not so looking forward to having no downtime? surely this would mean if things are going wrong we will have unsheduled downtimes rather than having a down time each day which we all know is comming?
Im all for a shorter DT but none at all?
And as said before how would downtime reliant things be done, is it possible to do them while the server is running?
i know occasionally now we have major issues that force a server reboot etc but im just talking in general issues that can wait till DT to be solved etc
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.11.07 05:23:00 -
[98]
Pretty much every other MMO in existence is up 24/7 with downtime only for occasional scheduled maintenance or problems. EVE culture has actually grown around the idea of a daily downtime, which means that even if the technical reasons for a DT are eliminated, artificially created reasons remain.
That said, if certain problems such as 24/7 cloaked ships or macros can be dealt with, then having the cluster up 24/7 would mean a more consistent gameplay experience without being interrupted on a regular basis. I think I'd like that.
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Snowflake Tem
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:00:00 -
[99]
Is this what triggered "Test" Alience's exploit attempt then? TPTB at Test saw this devblog and thought; hey, if were going to use this cunning plan we'd better get into it before CCP bins downtime.
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