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Full Bowl	Posted - 2010.11.02 18:14:00 - [1] I wonder why they made this precedent?
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.11.02 18:56:00 - [2] compliments of GM LeLouch: Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Max Wilson	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:30:00 - [3] It's not a new rule. They just don't like TEST. There are multiple other TCU's that went online during this dt. TEST was not the only ones. TEST was just the only ones that got their TCU's removed.
Hertford Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:33:00 - [4] A consistent GM policy is purely optional.
Orb Lati Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:35:00 - [5] awwww......not able to sneak in a bunch of sov claims over the extended DT. How about actually defending your next batch of TCU's when you deploy them. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Tom Sasaki	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:44:00 - [6] Well as I see it was an extended DT, but lets be honest here cleaning those out is just a 10+ hours job of anchoring 50+ SBU's and brining out ships to take them down. Ofc its unprecendented to anchor that way during an extended DT which gives the defenders no chance to take them down while they are onlining and I do have this lingering feeling that if a southern had done in the north it would have had the same result. TLDR; It was better under the old sov system.
Hertford Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Orb Lati awwww......not able to sneak in a bunch of sov claims over the extended DT. How about actually defending your next batch of TCU's when you deploy them. We're only after the gOoD fIgHtS
Blazde 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:10:00 - [8] The GMs have a very strict - if completely unjustifiable - policy of not intervening in 0.0 sovereignty matters. I think you must have just carelessly mislaid your TCUs and forged GMs mails about them being removed _ Northern Coalition - Best friends forever <3
Narisa Bithon Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:18:00 - [9] give test back their tcu's in delve.... just shows how much gm's still have it alliance alts.
Etil DeLaFuente	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:22:00 - [10] Hi, i'd like to offer my help to all TEST pubbies. I have plenty of space to stock their stuff before they leave. Free of charge of course.

Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:25:00 - [11] Trying to be clever, failing hard and now crying? Pretty funny
Tradeslave1	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:29:00 - [12] Removing the TCU wasn't the mistake but remove ONLY the TEST ones was. There were a few alliances trying to do it and succeeding. Only TEST was "punished". That is the bad thing here
sweikewa	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:31:00 - [13] What do you want. This is CCP Quality Petiton Assurance..... From the last CSM report you can read.... ".. A client-side fix for the ôstuckö entering a system issue is on TQ, awaiting a safe time to enable. Team Gridlock fixes are deployed disabled, then they can enabled on a node-by-node basis for battle-testing before being enabled cluster-wide. ..." SO what do you think CCP is realy fighting with the lag ???. Who is so samrt to fix somthing and not turn it on ..... 1st palce in programers Darwin prize goes to ...
Hrin Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:34:00 - [14] This has never before been the policy of CCP, in the entire history of this game, to remove items that onlined during an extended downtime be it POS, station eggs, TCUs, or SBUs. It would have been nice if they had mentioned this policy change to the players.
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:35:00 - [15] Is there no part of the game that the cheats and exploiters who play this game won't abuse?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Hari Markkus Is there no part of the game that the cheats and exploiters who play this game won't abuse? I hope this was a rhetorical question. --Vel
Levarr Burton Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Hrin This has never before been the policy of CCP, in the entire history of this game, to remove items that onlined during an extended downtime be it POS, station eggs, TCUs, or SBUs. It would have been nice if they had mentioned this policy change to the players. This. CCP has never before made extended downtimes special, and it has never been petitionable for items to be anchored and onlined during an ordinary downtime to be removed, even if their onlining time is less than downtime. Dropping station eggs, POSes, iHubs, SBUs, etc so that their timers are effectively shortened by downtime has never been disallowed before. Fiddling with reinforcement timers so that they end during downtime has never been disallowed before. In fact, all previous petitions relating to structures onlining or coming out of reinforce during downtime have been denied. The accepted precedent amongst GMs was to not interfere with the timers or 0.0 sov warfare. In ur engineering, fixin' ur warp core.
Narisa Bithon Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:51:00 - [18] Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 02/11/2010 20:54:44 test didnt do anything wrong tcu's were only anchored in UNCLAIMED space CCP should not have removed them because IT Alliance petitioned it... IT Alliance didnt have any tcu's online there b4 the dt either this is a blatent misuse of GM powers had test put sov blockades into IT claimed space then yes it would be fair for ccp to remove them but they didnt put sov blockade units in IT space they put tcu's in UNCLAIMED space.
Hyveres Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Hyveres on 02/11/2010 21:08:56 hmms dunno odd decision "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:18:00 - [20] obvious dev/gm ties to major powerbloc... ITS NEVER CHANGED WE JUST HEAR ABOUT IT LESS! THEY GOT THE BPO's ON LOCK!

Tom Sasaki	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Zeke Mobius obvious dev/gm ties to major powerbloc... ITS NEVER CHANGED WE JUST HEAR ABOUT IT LESS! THEY GOT THE BPO's ON LOCK! IT a major powerblock? WTF are you smoking, IT is a small player and does not really matter. When you look at the big picture they havent mattered since 2007 or earlier.
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Tom Sasaki Originally by: Zeke Mobius obvious dev/gm ties to major powerbloc... ITS NEVER CHANGED WE JUST HEAR ABOUT IT LESS! THEY GOT THE BPO's ON LOCK! IT a major powerblock? WTF are you smoking, IT is a small player and does not really matter. When you look at the big picture they havent mattered since 2007 or earlier. rofl
Kaurapa	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:41:00 - [23] This raises a number of issues that CCP need to create formal policy around and ensure they are consistent over time: 1. Deploying TCUs in unclaimed systems has resulted in a petition being filed by a nearby alliance. The systems in question were not owned by any one. By responding to the petition at all CCP are implying that alliances who do not claim specific space have a right to lay claim to that space. 2. The previous precedent for sovereignty items has been very hands off. GM's policy has been pretty clear - we will not interfere in 0.0 gameplay and tactics. How are CCP justifying a change in this policy and how far reaching is this change? 3. Timers have always made use of downtime. Every single 0.0 entity has utilised downtime to minimise risk when placing sov items. Whether this is right or improper gameplay has not been addressed by CCP. The actions of TEST Alliance are simply the continuation of that prevalent 0.0 policy. Why has CCP chosen to react to the movements of a relatively new alliance in such an abrupt manner? 4. The TCU's in question were not simply offlined. They were destroyed by a gm. If the main issue is of fairness of opportunity to defend and attack - why did CCP simply not offline them and allow the process of normal sov battle to commence? The actions of CCP in regards to this situation seem dubious from the outside - I hope they make a public statement in the very near future stating the rules clearly and fairly for all - the current situation smells of favouritism.
Rhenntyl	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:47:00 - [24] Ehh, how do we even know if IT petitioned?
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:50:00 - [25] It's quite obviously a grey area and open to gm uh... "interpretation." Also, IT/BoB getting favoritism (regardless of how much "power" anyone wants to claim they have or not in-game) is not new.
Kash Jatte Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:08:00 - [26] If game mechanics allow it then it's not an exploit or against the rules. If they felt it is unfair then they should have fixed it in another patch instead of just destroying 14 TCU's or at least made an announcement of it being against the rules first. You shouldn't punish an alliance for just using game mechanics. They didn't do anything to the people using the perfect tracking bug in WH's why would they do something like this ?
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Kash Jatte .... why would they do something like this ? bcuz IT=ccp
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Rhenntyl Ehh, how do we even know if IT petitioned? They wouldn't need to, they just need to pick up the bat phone.
egegergergsdgedgege	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:58:00 - [29] Oh cool. I just decided not to renew my subscription. I sugest you do the same if you want a statement from CCP. You know there is that small little text box where you can enter the reason why you did cancel. That doesent mean you realy have to, but what you write into that text box someone more important than a GM will read. ege
Moutoku	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:59:00 - [30] Silly Goons

Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:09:00 - [31] The reason that the GM didn't ban the people involved in this game machanism exploit was it could be fixed easily.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:09:00 - [32] T Pretty stupid thing to do on CCP's part.. with the uhm, history here. I don't have a foot in any of this, but really curious still to hear what CCP has to say about it since other structures are obviously thrown up before DTs all the time.. not to mention the TCUs not removed in other areas of the EVE universe during this certain incident. 20 Has to leave one wondering if they do still have people in their company that play favorites in this sandbox and thus influence the game with actions to benefit someone on purpose. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Bubanni	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Moutoku Silly Goons Actually, we aren't Goons... we are just very good friends. We are both nc, but they are goons and we are test...
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:18:00 - [34] as truly humorous as it is to laugh at Test trying to be funny, only to fall flat on their collective faces due to some 'technical foul', it does sort of highlight how 'daft' the current sov mechanic is. New balls please CCP. Yelp!
Persona n0ngrata	Posted - 2010.11.03 03:27:00 - [35] Be my guest and keep crying but this was an obvious exploit of a known extended downtime and the resulting actions of CCP is warranted. But please keep crying, the tears are delicious. mmm tears
Marexlovox Gallente SLEEPLESS VANGUARD	Posted - 2010.11.03 03:29:00 - [36] So only after DT but not before which will make after DT before next DT, in which will alway be before DT laying TCU being bad?
stuntane	Posted - 2010.11.03 04:58:00 - [37] I would've thought a simple and problem-free way to go about it would be server-side, whereby it just isn't possible to do it in the first place.
WhiteSavage Gallente Ever Flow Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:18:00 - [38] Too many children whining... Test attempted to circumvent the system... CCP said no you cant... no harm was done to test... but yet they cry? As per GM's not dealing immediately with other TCU's... those TCU's were not petitioned, nor were they on such a scale. Petitions exist because CCP cannot be constantly aware of everything that goes on in every dirty corner of this place. but QQ
Cole Y0unger Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:27:00 - [39] Originally by: WhiteSavage Too many children whining... Test attempted to circumvent the system... CCP said no you cant... no harm was done to test... but yet they cry? As per GM's not dealing immediately with other TCU's... those TCU's were not petitioned, nor were they on such a scale. Petitions exist because CCP cannot be constantly aware of everything that goes on in every dirty corner of this place. but QQ This TBH....Test are trying to rock the boat and said, woot were gonna lay 14 TCU's right before DT, they cant be shot at so if they dont get petitioned we get alot of tears from IT, if they do get petitioned we can scream that CCP is playing fav to IT and cause a big stink.. But in Testies defence all TCU's should have been promptly nuked like Testies were.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:38:00 - [40] So basicly the story goes: 1) Test Cheats 2) It Petitions 3) GM's give Test a slap on the wrist and puts it back in its corner. 4) Test/Forums Rage about corruption. 5) I read this drivel and wish for 5 minutes of my life back.

WhiteSavage Gallente Ever Flow Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:43:00 - [41] The funny part is they seem to still be in the "We are funny and cool" mindset... I dearly hope CCP isn't wasting a thought let alone their time on this.
Aesheera Amarr PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Kash Jatte If game mechanics allow it then it's not an exploit or against the rules. I think you meant to say, we found a loop and managed to exploit is? Caught with the pants down and proper action was taken. But you guys could always say: it was just a 'TEST'.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Hari Markkus Is there no part of the game that the cheats and exploiters who play this game won't abuse? GASP People cheat and exploit?! I would never ... "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:59:00 - [44] Tbh Test / Goons did this last time and IT didnt even care, CCP should have just left it, unlike the North the South welcomes any form of combat
Dagny Bronstein	Posted - 2010.11.03 07:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Aesheera But you guys could always say: it was just a 'TEST'. well, it probably was just a test... create a (relatively harmless) precedent with Tyrannis 1.2 so you can step up the game to a more serious level at the Incursion downtime
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.03 07:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Bubanni Originally by: Moutoku Silly Goons Actually, we aren't Goons... we are just very good friends. We are both nc, but they are goons and we are test... yes, yes, yes we have all heard it enough times now, if you in the NC you have 50k best friends who all have to invited to your birthdays and added to your facebook yadda yadda, originality please BFF
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.03 08:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Lady Parity Originally by: Bubanni Originally by: Moutoku Silly Goons Actually, we aren't Goons... we are just very good friends. We are both nc, but they are goons and we are test... yes, yes, yes we have all heard it enough times now, if you in the NC you have 50k best friends who all have to invited to your birthdays and added to your facebook yadda yadda, originality please BFF I wonder why you cant leave the whole "NC is a bunch of wussies who dont want to fight" in CAOD? It seems your opinion should be clear now. Especially as your main STILL is in NC you either spy (which I doubt yet) OR you LIKE the whole "we are Best Friends and noone stands against our big fleets" attitude as it favors your main's security. Don't be such a hypocrite
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.11.03 08:32:00 - [48] EvE politics are the only ones that manage to be stupider and more boring than RL politics. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Khors Amtek Inc	Posted - 2010.11.03 08:32:00 - [49] The time IT would have spent shooting down TCU's have clearly been surpassed by the continous posting trying to make this look like some sort of scandal.
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.03 10:07:00 - [50] Why not just make sov items unachorable if more than 50% of the onlining time will occur during a scheduled or planned downtime? I just can't see the problem with anyone doing anything that's allowed by the mechanics of the game. Even if it is 'metagaming'. Are you going to argue that non game resources should be petitionable too? Like using voice comms other than Eve Voice? Using them gets around limitations of the game, just like deploying TCUs before extended downtime does. And it can be even more divisive too.

Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.03 10:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Max Wilson It's not a new rule. They just don't like TEST. There are multiple other TCU's that went online during this dt. TEST was not the only ones. TEST was just the only ones that got their TCU's removed. You sure about this? Because there are reports that Stainwagon did something similar and got the same treatment. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.03 10:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Orion GUardian Originally by: Lady Parity Originally by: Bubanni Originally by: Moutoku Silly Goons Actually, we aren't Goons... we are just very good friends. We are both nc, but they are goons and we are test... yes, yes, yes we have all heard it enough times now, if you in the NC you have 50k best friends who all have to invited to your birthdays and added to your facebook yadda yadda, originality please BFF I wonder why you cant leave the whole "NC is a bunch of wussies who dont want to fight" in CAOD? It seems your opinion should be clear now. Especially as your main STILL is in NC you either spy (which I doubt yet) OR you LIKE the whole "we are Best Friends and noone stands against our big fleets" attitude as it favors your main's security. Don't be such a hypocrite I have openly told people what my char in NC does, much like every other BFF I plex and rat, make ISK and send to other chars. During a war I leech intel, but lets be honest who really has fun attacking NC anymore thats like, having fun cleaning a landfill
God Cell Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.03 10:21:00 - [53] lol, why is it Test and Goons seem to be spamming all topics with their endless tears? it's sad really. instead of crying about it, go fight IT while the servers are ONLINE. no wait..you can't, cus you know you'd get owned in any real fight with them It seems to me TEST and Goons are level 5 in Forum Spam skill. Literally every topic on the eve forums have at least one of them making some sort of immature comment or crying. So much time wasted on their part. They are by far the loudest and most annoying alliances in the game. I think they are fitting their reputations really well. I dont understand why anyone would want to be famous for being the most annoying and immature people in the game. I wonder what the average age or IQ is of people in those alliances. Really, Eve needs some sort of IQ test before people can play this game. Because immature people spamming the boards like crazy are destroying Eve's reputation as a mature and serious game with intelligent people.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.03 10:58:00 - [54] You are really grasping for straw here TEST and you are going to end up looking ignorant. You received all the TCUs that were taken down so what is the problem here? You didn't lose any items or isk. You can easily re-anchor those TCUs at any time. So you are really just whining about the loss of the free TCU anchor time which is not supposed to happen under normal conditions. I'm also unable to understand how you do not know about the many CCP interventions in 0.0 SOV related items. CCP has a very long history with dealing with tons of 0.0 SOV issues and yes even issues pertaining to downtime. This isn't even creative mechanics, you know that anchoring TCUs with effectively zero anchor time is not right. CCP fixed it, good for them. Stop whining TEST. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2010.11.03 11:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Vaal Erit You are really grasping for straw here TEST and you are going to end up looking ignorant. You received all the TCUs that were taken down so what is the problem here? You didn't lose any items or isk. You can easily re-anchor those TCUs at any time. So you are really just whining about the loss of the free TCU anchor time which is not supposed to happen under normal conditions. I'm also unable to understand how you do not know about the many CCP interventions in 0.0 SOV related items. CCP has a very long history with dealing with tons of 0.0 SOV issues and yes even issues pertaining to downtime. This isn't even creative mechanics, you know that anchoring TCUs with effectively zero anchor time is not right. CCP fixed it, good for them. Stop whining TEST. do you know how many other **s has been anchored during downtime, precious to this? how many different corps and alliances have used this tactic in the past? this would have been groundbreakingly **ed up mechanic 2 to four years ago to remove tcus anchored in such a manor _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.03 11:10:00 - [56] For what its worth, most Test players are pretty chilled and entertaining but realistically much like any other NC tard are incapable of doing anything without exploits (nice titan respawn, nice moon goo, nice crashes) and meta gaming (nice disbanding). Still though it is very rare we see any fun in the south, this would have at least been entertaining (assuming Test bothered to come back). Ah well Sucks to be Test
Sapegu Gallente Infante Sagres Industries	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:27:00 - [57] Please Ladies... Husshhhhh Sapegu
Bacon Slapper Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:39:00 - [58] Edited by: Bacon Slapper on 03/11/2010 12:41:20 FUNNY BECAUSE EVOKE DROPPED ONE IN PROVI TODAY BEFORE DOWNTIME AND CCP DID NOTHING EDIT : LOL
Cyrus Doul Infinite Covenant	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:37:00 - [59] I don't know if this is still a rule on the books but it sort of (not really but it should) apply If you look at it what test did was an active declaration of war. Granted you dont pay the whole 50 million isk thing for one alliance to dec another one but hey. Concord isnt around to kill you if you dont bother. I know that that is (or was) actually an exploit to do during any extended DT. Sov warfare is called warfare for a reason... Really anchoring tcu and sbu anywhere should fall under the war dec rule as sov is how 0.0 people do warring. Also some random jackoff anchoring his research tower or his egg is completely different since a tower has even for larges <1 hour online time anyways. Mediums and smalls even fit under the new 30 min dts IIRC. Eggs actually activate and turn into a station during a DT, whatever timer they have is a countdown to DT
egegergergsdgedgege	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:43:00 - [60] Is there anywhere a statement of CCP reagarding that incident, yet? ege

Cyrus Doul Infinite Covenant	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:48:00 - [61] Originally by: egegergergsdgedgege Is there anywhere a statement of CCP reagarding that incident, yet? ege Of the wardec thing? I'm trying to find it. last time i saw it pop up on a thread was about a year and a half ago during the apoc patch. Since then its been buried by millions billions "someone changed their stront timer and dropped out of alliance boohoo" threads.
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:49:00 - [62] eg: They removed the other TCUs as well....
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:55:00 - [63] only an "exploit" (lol exploit my ass) if used against ccp
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.03 15:17:00 - [64] Why are people making such a huge deal over this? It's CLEAR that Test used an EXTENDED downtime to their advantage. You are not supposed to take sov without any risk. The title of this thread is misleading and should be changed for insighting "rumours".
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.11.03 15:21:00 - [65] For those playing at home, it looks like SBU onlining during exDT is also teh sploitz. evenews24, inaccurate on many points but the main thrust of the report is still true. Maybe someone should update the patch notes? Originally by: Patch notes for Tyrannis 1.2 Deployed Tuesday, November 2, 2010 Miscellaneous * When moving items, the cursor is now anchored in the top left corner of the items, as it previously did. * System channels, such as Local, now persist correctly and cannot be closed. * The asset window no longer goes blank if it was open while your ship was docking. * Onlining sovereignty structures during extended downtime is no longer a valid tactic and will be reversed by GMs if (and only if) petitioned. This is a revision of GM policies to not intervene in sovereignty. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:06:00 - [66] They need to just make the timers only count down when TQ is online and accepting connections. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Karina Bellac	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:15:00 - [67] So the upshot is you can claim to own space without having to use sovereignty structures, and you just have to submit your claim to the GMs.
Edible Bandaid Gallente Crimson Nation	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:21:00 - [68] So the upshot of this is everyone in eve cant place SBU/TCU in YOUR space every time there is a major patch and insta-earn it. Sov mechanics are there to create battles, you're trying to play WITHOUT fighting. Don't be surprised that everyone is pretty apathetic to your spamstorm. ___________________________________ WHHYYYYYY
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Edible Bandaid So the upshot of this is everyone in eve cant place SBU/TCU in YOUR space every time there is a major patch and insta-earn it. Confirming that unclaimed space is IT space. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:27:00 - [70] MY TINFOIL HAT, I'VE LOST IT. SOMEBODY HELP ME PLEASE. THE VOICES, THEY ARE COMING!

Edible Bandaid Gallente Crimson Nation	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:28:00 - [71] Unclaimed systems within their space. Don't try to be cute. It may all make perfect sense in your head. But in reality you're just whining. ___________________________________ WHHYYYYYY
Karina Bellac	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Edible Bandaid So the upshot of this is everyone in eve cant place SBU/TCU in YOUR space every time there is a major patch and insta-earn it. Also confirming that unclaimed space is IT space. Quote: Sov mechanics are there to create battles, you're trying to play WITHOUT fighting. Don't be surprised that everyone is pretty apathetic to your spamstorm. Trying to play without fighting? As in petitioning away opposition TCUs instead of shooting them?
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:38:00 - [73] Originally by: Edible Bandaid Don't try to be cute. ~uguu~ Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
enterprisePSI Gallente Unimatrix 0.1	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:52:00 - [74] what is this? Tears, or the titan dies!
BinaryIdiot Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:58:00 - [75] I don't even know
BinaryIdiot Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Barakkus They need to just make the timers only count down when TQ is online and accepting connections. They do this and, the next down time you realize your skill queue had another hour added. Then another. And another... I'm in.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:04:00 - [77] Originally by: BinaryIdiot I don't even know BinaryIdiot Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore I bolded your problem
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.11.03 18:41:00 - [78] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/11/2010 18:42:43 Originally by: sweikewa What do you want. This is CCP Quality Petiton Assurance..... From the last CSM report you can read.... ".. A client-side fix for the ôstuckö entering a system issue is on TQ, awaiting a safe time to enable. Team Gridlock fixes are deployed disabled, then they can enabled on a node-by-node basis for battle-testing before being enabled cluster-wide. ..." SO what do you think CCP is realy fighting with the lag ???. Who is so samrt to fix somthing and not turn it on ..... 1st palce in programers Darwin prize goes to ... Wow, clueless doesn't begin to describe your post... ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Edible Bandaid Gallente Crimson Nation	Posted - 2010.11.03 19:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Karina Bellac Also confirming that unclaimed space is IT space. If you can't make the connection then HTFU and get that GED. Quote: Trying to play without fighting? As in petitioning away opposition TCUs instead of shooting them? You mean petitioning CCP and whining about their actions and spamming/trolling the forums about it instead of dropping more TCU's? Yes, thats exactly what I mean. ___________________________________ WHHYYYYYY
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.03 19:13:00 - [80] lol tcu whine here too, outcome and trolls were much better on caod

Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.03 22:24:00 - [81] With all the bad press going around about CCP devs cheating at their own game, for years now, can you really afford not to make any statements? I wonder why is it always like this, if someone finds and exploit, you take the hands off approach. no,no, we wont intervene even if people are printing out huge amounts of isk, or have found a way to get skills to train instantly. we will watch and observe the damage being done for a few days then ban some random dude. your game gets sold by word of mouth, you cant afford bad press. get your heads out of each-others asses and talk to he players. fake edit: can you tell us who is in charge for public relations, and where can he be found during fanfest?
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.11.04 01:56:00 - [82] You guys seem to be missing the simple point: For the last 5 years every single alliance or corporation that deploys multiple sovereignty claiming items, whether they be pos or station eggs, or in the last year sbus, tcus, or ihubs have made use of downtimes to minimise the risk of attack. That CCP have finally made a stand against this risk minimisation is good to see. The fact that alliance that was going to potentially lose face (not space as the space TEST attacked was unclaimed by anyone) was the lead by the same leadership as the alliance that was once home to ccp employees and had received benefits from that relationship makes those of us with long memories suspicious. With good code CCP could have a mechanism whereby anchoring of anything sends a request to the server and if more than 25% of that on-lining time is during a downtime period the mechanism fails to online. Or with average coding have the on-lining timer pause during downtime and commence where it left of as the server comes back online. The things you can do with good code are impressive.
ModeratedToSilence	Posted - 2010.11.04 02:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Karina Bellac So the upshot is you can claim to own space without having to use sovereignty structures, and you just have to submit your claim to the GMs. The major upshot is you get sov recognised by GM's and you don't have to pay for it.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.11.04 12:44:00 - [84] Originally by: egegergergsdgedgege ege Does everyone call you "ege", or do they attempt to pronounce that abomination? Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Cone Filler Highwaymen	Posted - 2010.11.04 12:52:00 - [85] IT still controls your game
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.11.04 12:53:00 - [86] Originally by: Jita Alt666 The things you can do with good code are impressive. I hear good, clean code is made by taking every single possible corner-case you and your dog can think of and adding special code to handle them. Even when the special cases can be handled easily when the come up and won't affect anything except two-three times a year. A GM removing those TCU's the few times it happens (once the first long downtime, very few times after cause everyone knows it will just be petitioned) Clean code is good code. Oh... and it's goon that has all the devs. (Or did before they failed)
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Edible Bandaid So the upshot of this is everyone in eve cant place SBU/TCU in YOUR space every time there is a major patch and insta-earn it. Confirming unclaimed space is CCP space. ___________
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.04 16:08:00 - [88] Originally by: Jita Alt666 The fact that alliance that was going to potentially lose face (not space as the space TEST attacked was unclaimed by anyone) was the lead by the same leadership as the alliance that was once home to ccp employees and had received benefits from that relationship makes those of us with long memories suspicious. You seem to have very selective memory. The employees you are mentioning in fact was one guy that no longer works for CCP, the alliance in question no longer exists and the people in the new alliance are all new with the exception of the very few. On the other hand, the people that benefited from moon mining exploit still fly the super capitals made from those funds and their super capitals magically re-appear when they are destroyed. The hypocrisy of your views of events that happened 5 years ago from one bad CCP apple to the current event is remarkable. Maybe you should post with your brainwashed, hypocritical goon main next time.
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.11.05 07:29:00 - [89] Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 05/11/2010 07:31:47 Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: Jita Alt666 The fact that alliance that was going to potentially lose face (not space as the space TEST attacked was unclaimed by anyone) was the lead by the same leadership as the alliance that was once home to ccp employees and had received benefits from that relationship makes those of us with long memories suspicious. You seem to have very selective memory. The employees you are mentioning in fact was one guy that no longer works for CCP, the alliance in question no longer exists and the people in the new alliance are all new with the exception of the very few. On the other hand, the people that benefited from moon mining exploit still fly the super capitals made from those funds and their super capitals magically re-appear when they are destroyed. The hypocrisy of your views of events that happened 5 years ago from one bad CCP apple to the current event is remarkable. Maybe you should post with your brainwashed, hypocritical goon main next time. My memory is not selective, nor is it brainwashed. The incidents you selectively bring to the discussion do not have concrete links to CCP employees. You are right in that this game is full of dubious connections and use of exploits, it is due to this I have an intense distrust of CCP. In regards to your attempt to tarnish me with mud slinging via association with an alliance that no longer exists, it is amusing, as is your misuse of the word hypocrisy.
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.05 08:27:00 - [90] Actually CCP have always removed done stuff like this, you think Test were the first ones to deploy TCUs before an extended DT lol ok, Test are the first ones to mass whine though, other alliances that arent tainted by goons tend not to give a **** when they got stuff removed. As for the corrupted dev remark, IT had all it's warp bubbles removed due to a petition made against them and NC have had super caps spawn randomly. Seriously what is up with people memories, if IT have a dev working for them then so does every other alliance



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