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kittypaws	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:30:00 - [1] http://evenews24.com/2010/11/04/gm-helps-player-to-get-ships-back/ Quote: GM favors player to get ships back Home + GM favors player to get ships back 04 Nov Posted by Czech Lion in Articles \| 104 comments GM favors player to get ships back Posted from Eve player û Devilsspawn: A few weeks ago, I was given access to an account that was purchased by a corpmate for RL cash. He paid $1000 for it from a friend. The account had 30B in liquid ISK, a Nyx fully fit, as well as an Ark and other miscellaneous items. I was enraged at the fact that this guy has been selling things for RL cash using the site ôplayerauctions.comö. KIA corp has been doing this for a long time as well, namely KIAEddz. The owner of the newly purchased account, weÆll call him paul for now. Paul used the 30B on the account to buy an Erebus from KIAEddz (his long time friend and former CEO) since 30B is about the build cost of an erebus. The pilot that was sitting in the Nyx, also had perfect titan skills. So the Nyx was moved onto a holding character while it was put up for sale at playerauctions.com for $650. The price and fit has since been changed on playerauctions.com because the fit was takne off the Nyx and placed on the erebus. Here is a link to the sale http://www.playerauctions.com/offer/wts-nyx-38307339/ I know it is this thread because the Nyx being sold had 2xT2 trimarks, and one T2 CCC, and not many NyxÆs would have those rigs that way. Most are 3x T2 trimarks.. Anyway, back to my point. After the Nyx was moved off the titan pilot, it could now pilot the Erebus. The transfer was made, and the erebus was moved to our low sec staging POS where it would be fit and fueled. Listening to Paul on teamspeak made me sick. Having to listen to him over and over bragging about how he is better than us because he owns a titan. I got fed up with it. I had the account info, so I purchased an erebus pilot, and contacted an old friend to hold the Nyx. That night, as soon as paul logged off, I logged the titan and Nyx in, and transferred them off to the newly purchased titan holder, and my old friend. They were to be sold for ISK. In order for him not to suspect me, I had to act like I had no idea what was going on, and give him reason to think someone else stole the titan. I came up with a story about not being home that night, and whatnot. I had 2 of my in game friends corroborate my story, and he took it. Paul didnÆt think it was me. He was under the impression CCP took his titan and Nyx because of his RMTing. They filed a petition anyway, and contacted GM ** û here is where it goes wrong. KIAEddz got involved in the petition because he supposedly has a personal relationship with GM , and other higher upÆs in CCP. GM decided to help them in getting the ships back. After a few hours of looking into the situation, temporary suspensions were placed on the accounts currently holding the Erebus and Nyx, and emails were sent in an attempt to get a clear picture of what happened. Meanwhile, Paul, the original account owner, and KIAEddz supposedly told GM that the account had been shared, and that 3 people had access to it. GM agreed seeing 3 different IPÆs logging into the account, one of which was mine. My main account hadnÆt been touched, nor had I received any correspondance with CCP up until today. This morning, I awoke to find 4 new emails. Half expecting this to happen, I chuckled and proceeded to open the emails entitled ö EVE Online Account Suspensionö and here is what followed: Quote: 2010.11.03 13:44:00 GM ** ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùù Hi there. It is my sad duty to inform you that you accounts have been permanently banned from our server for accessing another players account and stealing ingame items. The case is clear enough to warrant a permanent ban. See section 2 of our SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY. 2. HACKING An immediate permanent ban of an account may result from attempting to or succ
kittypaws	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:31:00 - [2] Edited by: kittypaws on 05/11/2010 15:33:32 Edited by: kittypaws on 05/11/2010 15:32:58 Quote: 2010.11.03 13:44:00 GM ** ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùù Hi there. It is my sad duty to inform you that you accounts have been permanently banned from our server for accessing another players account and stealing ingame items. The case is clear enough to warrant a permanent ban. See section 2 of our SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY. 2. HACKING An immediate permanent ban of an account may result from attempting to or successfully: a. Interfering with the performance of the EVE Online servers or web site. b.Defrauding another player of his account through use of misinformation or impersonating an EVE Online official. NOTE: No employee of CCP or one of its authorized representatives will ever ask for your password. Should someone claiming to be a CCP associate request your password, donÆt give it. Instead, notify the support team immediately by sending an in-game petition or by using the ôAsk a questionö form on our support website. Please retain all related documentation in the event it is needed during a possible investigation. c. Deciphering, hacking into or interfering with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers or web site. d. Engaging in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services. e. Obtaining unauthorized access to anotherÆs EVE Online account or account information The accounts that have been banned: ******* ******* ******* Best regards, GM ** Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support This was the same accross both emails I received from CCP about this incident. The only line relevant to me, is ôObtaining unauthorized access to anotherÆs EVE Online account or account informationö however, I DID receive authorization to use the account. I WAS authorized by the account owner to use the accounts. Meanwhile, Paul, KIAEddz, and the original account owner are getting away unscathed. They are the ones that should be banned. They gave me the information to the account, which is pretty much saying ôyou have access to this account as if it were your own.ö. They are the ones RMTing ships and getting away with it. They CLEARLY broke the EULA by giving the information out. EULA excerpt û ôYou will be asked to select a password during the registration process (ôPasswordö). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password. You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. You are encouraged to use a pseudonym, but you may not choose a name that violates anyoneÆs trademarks, publicity rights or other rights. Acceptance of a pseudonym by the System does not mean that your chosen pseudonym does not violate anyoneÆs rights. You are responsible for any liability incurred by yourself, CCP or anyone else due to the pseudonym you choose. CCP retains the right to reject any pseudonym it determines, in its sole discretion, is unlawful, indecent, obscene or otherwise violates standards of good taste.ö
kittypaws	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:32:00 - [3] My case is solid, my reasons are clear. My accounts should NOT be banned, theirs should. Yet my accounts remain banned, while they are not being penalized in any shape or form for their violations of the EULA, and for their maltreatment of this game. The GMÆs have been informed of the RMTing, they have been told that I was authorized access to the accounts, and yet they do nothing. This is another display of favoritism from CCP., similar to yesterdayÆs events (TEST TCUÆs being destroyed).
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:36:00 - [4] Originally by: kittypaws My case is solid, my reasons are clear. My accounts should NOT be banned, theirs should. Yet my accounts remain banned, while they are not being penalized in any shape or form for their violations of the EULA, and for their maltreatment of this game. The GMÆs have been informed of the RMTing, they have been told that I was authorized access to the accounts, and yet they do nothing. This is another display of favoritism from CCP., similar to yesterdayÆs events (TEST TCUÆs being destroyed). Just for the sake of clarity, you're upset because you logged into an RMT-purchased account, that never belonged to you in the first place, to steal RMT-purchased assets, and now you're butthurt because you were permabanned for doing it on your main? That, sir, is pants-on-head-******ed.
Crias Taylor GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:37:00 - [5] Can you write that at a higher grade level so I can folllow it?
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:38:00 - [6] Enjoy playing World of Warcraft. The new expansion looks boss.
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:40:00 - [7] Originally by: kittypaws however, I DID receive authorization to use the account. I WAS authorized by the account owner to use the accounts. This is right about where everyone should stop reading, if not beforehand. Account sharing is not allowed, it has never been allowed, CCP has banned people for doing it before and continue to do so presently. They don't care if Raptor-Jesus himself gave you the Buddy-Christ-thumbsup, account-sharing is a bannable offense, and is stated QUITE CLEARLY in the EULA we all agreed to.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Lady Spank on 05/11/2010 15:44:14 While getting caught account sharing is an issue here, really the most disgusting element of this is how only this guy got his accounts banned and yet KIAEDDZ gets no such bans and can continue RMTing ships and accounts. ~_~
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:41:00 - [9] Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: kittypaws My case is solid, my reasons are clear. My accounts should NOT be banned, theirs should. Yet my accounts remain banned, while they are not being penalized in any shape or form for their violations of the EULA, and for their maltreatment of this game. The GMÆs have been informed of the RMTing, they have been told that I was authorized access to the accounts, and yet they do nothing. This is another display of favoritism from CCP., similar to yesterdayÆs events (TEST TCUÆs being destroyed). Just for the sake of clarity, you're upset because you logged into an RMT-purchased account, that never belonged to you in the first place, to steal RMT-purchased assets, and now you're butthurt because you were permabanned for doing it on your main? That, sir, is pants-on-head-******ed. This. You violated EULA terms MULTIPLE TIMES! And now you are mad that CCP has banned you, and of course its THEIR fault, not the fact you broke the contract CCP makes you sign every patch. GTFO my eve. You are no longer welcome.
Learol	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:42:00 - [10] Originally by: kittypaws Edited by: kittypaws on 05/11/2010 15:33:32 Edited by: kittypaws on 05/11/2010 15:32:58 Quote: 2010.11.03 13:44:00 GM ** ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùù Hi there. It is my sad duty to inform you that you accounts have been permanently banned from our server for accessing another players account and stealing ingame items. The case is clear enough to warrant a permanent ban. See section 2 of our SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY. 2. HACKING An immediate permanent ban of an account may result from attempting to or successfully: a. Interfering with the performance of the EVE Online servers or web site. b.Defrauding another player of his account through use of misinformation or impersonating an EVE Online official. NOTE: No employee of CCP or one of its authorized representatives will ever ask for your password. Should someone claiming to be a CCP associate request your password, donÆt give it. Instead, notify the support team immediately by sending an in-game petition or by using the ôAsk a questionö form on our support website. Please retain all related documentation in the event it is needed during a possible investigation. c. Deciphering, hacking into or interfering with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers or web site. d. Engaging in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services. e. Obtaining unauthorized access to anotherÆs EVE Online account or account information The accounts that have been banned: ******* ******* ******* Best regards, GM Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support This was the same accross both emails I received from CCP about this incident. The only line relevant to me, is ôObtaining unauthorized access to anotherÆs EVE Online account or account informationö however, I DID receive authorization to use the account. I WAS authorized by the account owner to use the accounts. Meanwhile, Paul, KIAEddz, and the original account owner are getting away unscathed. They are the ones that should be banned. They gave me the information to the account, which is pretty much saying ôyou have access to this account as if it were your own.ö. They are the ones RMTing ships and getting away with it. They CLEARLY broke the EULA by giving the information out. EULA excerpt û ôYou will be asked to select a password during the registration process (ôPasswordö). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else.** You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password. You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. gave some emphasis to the important bit

KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:43:00 - [11] This is like reading about one billionaire complaining that another billionaire scammed his bank out of money. It's like (who cares)^50. KB Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:44:00 - [12] Originally by: kittypaws My accounts should NOT be banned Apart from the bit where you logged on and took stuff from someone else's account. (You might have been 'allowed to access' but that is against the EULA as well), So yeah. Suck it up. ~~Recruiting!~~
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:48:00 - [13] It's good to read that at least some stupidity still has consequences in EVE.
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:49:00 - [14] should of logged in from an internet cafe should of self destructed the titan\nyx then reprocessed as many assets as you could of before bouncing to jita to buy as many 1,000,000,000isk shuttles as you could find. not that I'd ever condone such a thing but then spending a grand on pretend monies and toys is moronic tbh. -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Falaricae	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:53:00 - [15] Great OP.
skuko Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:53:00 - [16] according to the info you gave, ALL of the involved accounts including yours should be banned for serious EULA violations.
Dr Sirius Cybernetic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:55:00 - [17] Originally by: kittypaws I was enraged at the fact that this guy has been selling things for RL cash Quote: So enraged that you couldn't manage to report it... A thoroughly deserved ban. I'm not a real Doctor
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:56:00 - [18] B- b- b- bb- b- ban! Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Zions Child Caldari The Resident Haunting Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:57:00 - [19] What a stupid pile of **tard. Honestly, y'all should be banned. You, for being an idiot/account sharer, the guy for RMT'ing a Nyx and Titan, and KIAeddz for being fail. Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Victor Valka Caldari The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:57:00 - [20] Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: kittypaws however, I DID receive authorization to use the account. I WAS authorized by the account owner to use the accounts. This is right about where everyone should stop reading, if not beforehand. Account sharing is not allowed, it has never been allowed, CCP has banned people for doing it before and continue to do so presently. They don't care if Raptor-Jesus himself gave you the Buddy-Christ-thumbsup, account-sharing is a bannable offense, and is stated QUITE CLEARLY in the EULA we all agreed to. Please, spare us. CCP's unwritten policy for account sharing has always been "at your own risk, and we'll use it against you if we want to justify something". Furthermore, account sharing is a bannable offense for the account owner, not the person who accessed it. Shoehorning what has happened (according to OPs story, at least) under "hacking" is ridiculous. (Raptor-Jesus has been notified of your heretical views.) Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.

Aessoroz	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:59:00 - [21] Edited by: Aessoroz on 05/11/2010 16:01:14 All accounts should be banned. Logging into an account that does not belong to you and stealing items is agaisnt the EULA. RMTing items are also agaisn't the EULA.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:02:00 - [22] no, you should be banned, but i agree they should be banned as well. fair is fair __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Buzz Killingdon	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:08:00 - [23] lol is it too much to ask that people READ AND UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING before posting? Apperently so. He states that he knew he was going to get banned, and simply did it all to expose what he thought was an injustice. And the selling of the ship was just for fun.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:11:00 - [24] The only reasonable course of action would be to ban all of them. And yeah, such topics are exactly why I don't trust the evenews24.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:15:00 - [25] Originally by: kittypaws GM correspondence removed. Please see Forum Rules number 9 for more information. Zymurgist This was the same accross both emails I received from CCP about this incident. The only line relevant to me, is ôObtaining unauthorized access to anotherÆs EVE Online account or account informationö however, I DID receive authorization to use the account. I WAS authorized by the account owner to use the accounts. Ahh.. The tears. So bitter arent they? You broke the rules. For that you get banned. And for that you got what you deserved. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:18:00 - [26] The funny thing is EVERY second Nyx out there is shared daily. CCP should ban all of those accounts.
Theo Paphitis	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:20:00 - [27] Most people seem to miss the point in this thread. OP violated EULA (perhaps to expose an even worse infraction) and had his accounts perma banned. Eddz and Krisz from KIA also violated EULA in a far more serious way but because Eddz is friends with the GM dealing with this and alot of CCPs neither have been banned. I know for a fact Eddz advertises the fact he is RMT'ing his supercaps and accts from time spent on KIA TS where the purchaser also frequents so I have no doubt in the OPs story. Well done CCP Well done
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 05/11/2010 16:26:55 Originally by: Theo Paphitis Most people seem to miss the point in this thread. OP violated EULA (perhaps to expose an even worse infraction) and had his accounts perma banned. Eddz and Krisz from KIA also violated EULA in a far more serious way but because Eddz is friends with the GM dealing with this and alot of CCPs neither have been banned. I know for a fact Eddz advertises the fact he is RMT'ing his supercaps and accts from time spent on KIA TS where the purchaser also frequents so I have no doubt in the OPs story. Well done CCP Well done I guess you can share your proof with us? If you cant you should be banned for trying to ruin these players reputation, not to mention CCPs reputation Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I guess you can share your proof with us? If you cant you should be banned for trying to ruin these players reputation, not to mention CCPs reputation CCP and RMT apologist spotted. ~_~
Sahjahn Caldari NailorTech Industries	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:29:00 - [30] Edited by: Sahjahn on 05/11/2010 16:32:35 Edited by: Sahjahn on 05/11/2010 16:32:16 Quote: CCP IS/WAS and Always will be corrupt when it comes to their little sandbox game. Anyone that's been here a few years can think of multiple instances where CCP and the GM network have done things in a bias manor where they have a personal interest in a particular result. We got the 'internal affairs' department (if it actually exists) to calm the rage of the t20 incident, and of course was only done because that particular incident made it out to the masses. CCP won't do anything any different, they won't respond to this or any other thread about such matters with anything meaningful and in fact will more than likely simply lock it. This thread will also be locked for 'lack of content' (or lack of content they wish to accept exists, head + sand + lalalalalalalala") Quote: I guess you can share your proof with us? If you cant you should be banned for trying to ruin these players reputation, not to mention CCPs reputation You're a moron, CCP have been ruining their own reputation for years now anyway.

Tom Gerard	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:35:00 - [31] TLDR Story of two scumbags. OP is the lesser of two scumbags CCP had enough evidence to ban OP. Other scumbag gets away. Overall a good day for New Eden.
Zahira Wrath Amarr Dominion Strategic	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:37:00 - [32] Edited by: Zahira Wrath on 05/11/2010 16:41:41 Originally by: kittypaws My case is solid, my reasons are clear. My accounts should NOT be banned, theirs should. Yet my accounts remain banned, while they are not being penalized in any shape or form for their violations of the EULA, and for their maltreatment of this game. The GMÆs have been informed of the RMTing, they have been told that I was authorized access to the accounts, and yet they do nothing. This is another display of favoritism from CCP., similar to yesterdayÆs events (TEST TCUÆs being destroyed). Looks to me like you account shared and stole another players stuff. Sorry mate but that's always been perma-ban territory. The other chars should be reprimanded or banned for RMT. Whether they have or not I donno. Maybe there was not enough proof. Doesn't change the fact that you violated several rules EULA and you got hit with the ban hammer because of it. Why dident you just bring the RMT proof to a GM and get them to ban the guys instead of the crap you pulled? Maybe just wanted to steal the stuff and got caught? So now your whining to the troll brigade? TLDR: You messed up. Deal with it.
Theo Paphitis	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:39:00 - [33] CCP have all the information they need, if there were no truth to such terrible press and outrage they would have made a statement to refute this im sure. Why would Eddz even get involved in this situation unless he had a vested interest and felt he could influence the outcome.
Semper Nefarius	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:41:00 - [34] Well if what you say is true then all involved accoutnts should be banned for account sharing, and those involved in rmt should get the permaban.
captain foivos	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:45:00 - [35] Let me play you the song of my people.
kittypaws	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:46:00 - [36] Luckily this was not me ;) But what was ****ed upp about this, is that only one of the 3 peopole involed got baned! All the shuld be baned hard!
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:52:00 - [37] How long ago did this actually take place? The reason only one person was banned so far is probably because that's all that CCP has solid evidence for. They could still be investigating the other people, but that seems unlikely since I remember a Dev/GM saying they ban accounts during the investigation process to make it easier. If Eddz really is getting favoritism from a certain GM, I don't think that GM is going to get off without a few problems of their own once IA investigates. After all the previous problems from when a Dev/GM assisted certain people "under the table" I think they'll take it a little more seriously now. Also, Zymurgist must be slacking off. He missed one mention of the site address in the OP when he was cleaning it.
Buzz Killingdon	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:03:00 - [38] One thing I will say, Even if ALL is true, even if some is true, heck even if none is true, this still doesn't affect me. I know I should be outraged, but if this is true, this level of corruption is so minor compared to what we deal with in politics EVERY DAY. Politics affects my real life, CCP affects a game I play for fun. If someone wants to cheat at a game, so be it. I cheat at Monopoly all the time. Yeah that's right, I'm always the banker and I still those pink fifties mwuhahahahaha
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: kittypaws however, I DID receive authorization to use the account. I WAS authorized by the account owner to use the accounts. This is right about where everyone should stop reading, if not beforehand. Account sharing is not allowed, it has never been allowed, CCP has banned people for doing it before and continue to do so presently. They don't care if Raptor-Jesus himself gave you the Buddy-Christ-thumbsup, account-sharing is a bannable offense, and is stated QUITE CLEARLY in the EULA we all agreed to. Please, spare us. CCP's unwritten policy for account sharing has always been "at your own risk, and we'll use it against you if we want to justify something". Furthermore, account sharing is a bannable offense for the account owner, not the person who accessed it. Shoehorning what has happened (according to OPs story, at least) under "hacking" is ridiculous. (Raptor-Jesus has been notified of your heretical views.) And I quote: Quote: You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. That should settle that argument.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Zahira Wrath Why didnt you just bring the RMT proof to a GM and get them to ban the guys instead of the crap you pulled? ^^ This. Pulling off a naive stunt hoping that CCP can't trace the item transfer is stupidity. In the case if you had been expecting a destructive outcome where all associated accounts are banned (including your own), then that qualifies for extreme stupidity. However, I would grade it as super extreme stupidity as obviously you can be easily touched off by simple bragging - thus setting off this drama That said, there's enough smoke here that CCP IA's should pore into this case, imo.

Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:26:00 - [41] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/11/2010 17:28:51 Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 05/11/2010 15:44:14 While getting caught account sharing is an issue here, really the most disgusting element of this is how only this guy got his accounts banned and yet KIAEDDZ gets no such bans and can continue RMTing ships and accounts. Just remember, you are accepting the word of a self-proclaimed liar and theif who openly admits he has an axe to grind with those he has accused. OP: All in all a fairly well done troll. I like the part where you undertook these bannable actions because you just couldn't stand listening to them brag on TS anymore. Very nice touch. It allows you to keep up enough momentum in your diatribe that people ignore the illogic of taking bannable actions to bring things to light instead of simply reporting it with proof. I give it a 8/10, but playing to the crowd that will automatically accuse CCP of favoratism (without any proof what-so-ever) is a bit too easy to score any higher. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Dr Karsun Gallente Coffee Lovers Brewing Club	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:31:00 - [42] I can see the big ban hammer hovering above a lot of people now. Remember, CCP does not like when people break the rules. Account hacking is bad, account sharing is bad, isk trading is OMGGOTOHELL bad. With that said, I suspect that you'll never get back to eve and probably won't start all over again so you'll get into WOW, or VENDETTA or something else.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:36:00 - [43] Kia deliver 19.5% effectiveness via posting tripple Titan losses even though there was one one Titan. man I just can't join the dots here, but seems like we've seen these before. Hoppit!
Tuttomenui II Gallente Independent Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:38:00 - [44] Edited by: Tuttomenui II on 05/11/2010 17:42:18 Regardless of whether or not you think the Account in question was RMTed, The account was hacked by you. You stole his items. So CCP is well within their rights to Ban you and ignore all accusations from you about the said account and it's holder. You admit you used the guys login in to steal items then you complain because a GM does their job and retrieves the items and bans you for account hacking. GM was doing his job, that doesn't mean he is showing favoritism. Idiot OP is an Idiot. "I stole Money from a Bank because the bank stole that money through high Fees that were unfair. The Police showed favoritism by arresting me and returning the money to the bank. I call shenanigans on all COPS everywhere." !ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME!
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:44:00 - [45] Just because you think someone is breaking the rules that doesn't give you the right to go over CCP's head and start laying down the law yourself. If you have proof that the accused are involved in RMT then give the information to CCP and CCP will deal with it. Temp bans on all accounts involved with account sharing and giving back assets is CCP policy and it looks like they followed it correctly here. You are whining because you failed to steal a titan + supercarrier by account sharing. GTFO. For that matter why should anyone believe that they gave you the account information? For all we know you are an account cracker. You got owned like you should be and any RMTer will eventually get owned as well. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:44:00 - [46] Assuming the OP is honest about his intentions, I'd let him off with a warning. Of course, if the RMT guy is a CCP insider, they wouldn't want to do that and would ban him to silence him. That's what seems to have happened. It doesn't mean it has happened, but it does look that way; especially if the RMT guy didn't actually get banned.
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:47:00 - [47] I thought Eddz was on an EVE-haitus? oh well vOv Quote: Lord Makk > Our pilots are masochist buttjockey
Victor Valka Caldari The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:50:00 - [48] Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: Victor Valka CCP's unwritten policy for account sharing has always been "at your own risk, and we'll use it against you if we want to justify something". Furthermore, account sharing is a bannable offense for the account owner, not the person who accessed it. Shoehorning what has happened (according to OPs story, at least) under "hacking" is ridiculous. (Raptor-Jesus has been notified of your heretical views.) And I quote: Quote: You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. That should settle that argument. I admit, I missed that. However: Originally by: EULA, 2A You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited. This, coupled with rule pointed out by you, would suggest that, in case both offenders have an EVE account, they are both in violation of EULA and should be punished. Punishing only one party, as in this case, is unfair. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:56:00 - [49] Many people ask the question "ccp do you even play eve?" when complaining about bugs.In my opinion its pretty clear when you see stuff like this.Infact I would say the people responsable for administrating "in game" are too involved. This is not the first time I read about something like this.I read an old post where a player killed and podded a gm and you should have seen the fuss they made over the corps.He had to give it back to the gm.Doesn't relate to the op much,but goes to show that a gm has as many in game interests as we do.Which should not be the case because they fly around in their cheat ships all day.They should be 100% fair and stick to the rules.In that case the gm put himself out there to get podded and should have brushed it off and kept going. You dont see the admin on a cod server with a super nuke pwn gun that blows up half a map just because he's an admin. To the op..I have no doubt that the gms have friends in game and favor them at some point or another.I do think all accounts should have been banned in that case,sorry to say it op but yours too.You went about it the wrong way. Another thing you should have done is post your story somewhere else where it wont get muted.Anything you say against ccp here will get nuked or ignored.Only thing I can tell you is stay away from the gms and people who "know" them.Take it for what it is and move on.Quit or dont,but learn your lesson.
Dr Lebroi	Posted - 2010.11.05 18:19:00 - [50] CCP have no need to explain their actions to you or set out how they deal with other players that break the rules. They have explained to YOU, how your rule breaks will be treated. For any individual it is that simple, there is a set of rules, abide by them and you can play the game. Break them and you will get banned. The fact that you try to justify your rule breaks by pointing out other players infractions is neither here nor there. You are only responsible for your own actions. You cannot justify breaking the rules because other people APPEAR to be doing it. That's how anarchy breaks out. CCP bans rule breakers either quickly or in the fullness of time but cheaters will get dealt with. I'm a bit bored of the emo conspiracy theories, I think CCP have better things to do than cheating in their own spaceships game.

De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.11.05 18:48:00 - [51] This is like trying to get out of a speeding ticket by pointing out that you weren't speeding as much as that other guy. Morons. Everywhere. --Vel
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:18:00 - [52] Edited by: Iamien on 05/11/2010 19:19:39 Originally by: De'Veldrin This is like trying to get out of a speeding ticket by pointing out that you weren't speeding as much as that other guy. Morons. Everywhere. To be fair they were both speeding but the other guy was also illegally passing. Get your car metaphors right.
Berendas Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 05/11/2010 19:19:39 Originally by: De'Veldrin This is like trying to get out of a speeding ticket by pointing out that you weren't speeding as much as that other guy. Morons. Everywhere. To be fair they were both speeding but the other guy was also illegally passing. Get your car metaphors right. Boosh.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:02:00 - [54] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/11/2010 20:05:01 Except, of course, that we only have the known offenders word for anything. Since we have nothing else to go on, why do you assume the self avowed liar is telling the truth? Because you know something we don't? Because any part of this story makes sense? Or because... more likely... you simply prefer to believe conspiracy theories. Some of us, most of us, prefer to have some degree of proof before we start pointing fingers.
Caminja	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:10:00 - [55] I dont think the point here is that he wants to get out of it, but more so he wants the other 2 speeders to be ticketed as well. And yes it IS favouritsm you idiots. The GM is looking into it on behalf of KIAEDDZ that on its own means it is a biased opinion. Also account sharing is bannable for all parties involved. The owner of the account should also get the ban hammer. All accounts should be banned while being investigated not just one. Clearly more GM favouritsm and GM should be fired for even looking into it for his 'buddy'. You are walking a very fine line CCP. How many more strikes before people decide its time to call you out?
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:32:00 - [56] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 05/11/2010 20:34:32 Why does it seem like there is a lot of this going around, "clever" people playing fast and loose with the rules and then they get caught out and blame the Devs? One question to the OP, did you open a petition about the original RMT? (edit: Why do some people insist on playing the "rules" of the game instead of just playing the game?) I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:33:00 - [57] Pants on the ground... Pants on the ground... Lookin like a fool wit yo pants on the ground... Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5 Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:34:00 - [58] You play with fire, you get burned son. Only thing odd is that CCP hasn't locked this yet. Possibly they're hoping people will learn something from it. Signature removed for not being EVE Related. Zymurgist
Rain Valis	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:37:00 - [59] The above is assuming what the OP says about the GM friendship is fact, as far as we know itÆs all hearsay... But instead of doing the proper thing and contacting CCP about the other two guys illegal actions the OP decided to take the law into his own hands, access the account and steal assets, then lies about it... He gets caught, which Im not sure why he didnt think he would when they could easily track it all and now he whines on the forum about favortism. You're a sore loser and a dumb one at that.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Caminja I dont think the point here is that he wants to get out of it, but more so he wants the other 2 speeders to be ticketed as well. I think the point here is that the word of a self-confessed cheater is worth fsck-all. Quote: And yes it IS favouritsm you idiots. The GM is looking into it on behalf of KIAEDDZ that on its own means it is a biased opinion. I sure hope the GMs would be looking into it on the behalf of the victim. If, during that investigation, it shows that the victim was actually in on committing the offence and yet the GMs do nothing, then it's time to start wonder what they were thinkingà Until then, see point 1 above. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Barakkus	Posted - 2010.11.05 20:40:00 - [61] People banned from MMOs rarely tell the whole story, or even a truthful one at that. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.05 21:15:00 - [62] I have been permo banned before, I think it is a generic mail you get when you are banned anyway, was unbanned in 3 hours Ofc my situation was a little different :P
NiGHTSintodreams Racketeers	Posted - 2010.11.05 22:02:00 - [63] If there really is GM favoritism going on, CCP should investigate. --- It's a dream paradox...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.06 04:13:00 - [64] if true ban em all!
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.06 04:41:00 - [65] I am hoping that alot of RL cash was spent on the banned char.
Baal Hellsfire	Posted - 2010.11.06 17:57:00 - [66] It's a bannable offense to share an account, wich means everyone in this story should be ban,the account owner for sharing as well as you.. thats not even mentioning the RMT issue. No you account should not be re-activated Yes their accounts should be Perma ban
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.06 19:29:00 - [67] Originally by: skuko according to the info you gave, ALL of the involved accounts including yours should be banned for serious EULA violations. This. But who knows who is telling the truth.
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.11.06 20:01:00 - [68] ITT: EULA violator gets caught stealing assets from someone's account and gets banned. CCP gives back stolen assets. EULA violator upset that he got caught but his victims did not.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd	Posted - 2010.11.06 20:42:00 - [69] I'm the first to rail against CCP's many flaws, but they did well here. Should they also ban the person who you stole from if they have proof that he RMT'ed? Yep. Have you proven it to them? Not as far as I can tell.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.11.06 23:55:00 - [70] I have seen this first hand! To which my reply is: CCP needs to pull the new EVE trailer "Causality" off of the internet!

Delight	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:08:00 - [71] KIA were implicated in the Ferrogel exploiting but managed to pull their POS's down before CCP got round to finding them so wouldn't be surprised.
TR4D3R4LT	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I guess you can share your proof with us? If you cant you should be banned for trying to ruin these players reputation, not to mention CCPs reputation Ever since early "gm events" handing out items and T20 "incident" I've felt that it's CCP that needs to prove they dont have rats in the boat.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Tippia I think the point here is that the word of a self-confessed cheater is worth fsck-all. But then that would mean his confession is worth fsck-all, which would mean your statement about his confession wouldn't apply to him. Just some food for thought . Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Sentinal One	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:40:00 - [74] Originally by: TR4D3R4LT Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I guess you can share your proof with us? If you cant you should be banned for trying to ruin these players reputation, not to mention CCPs reputation Ever since early "gm events" handing out items and T20 "incident" I've felt that it's CCP that needs to prove they dont have rats in the boat. But if there were no rats, how would we know when to flee the sinking ship? =D
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.07 04:18:00 - [75] Where 90% of you dummies in this thread complain about how the OP is wrong... CCP banned 2 accounts based on IP address. The OP should have had a better story like "some guy came over his house and saw this dude talking in comms, whipped out his credit card, bought a holding character, logged in to both accounts as I had the ID/PW on my desktop in a file. He then transferred the Titan and Supercarrier to my characters... I'm really innocent in this" If the story is true. The accounts who purchased isk from a RMT site should be banned. Not the ones on the same IP address or we'd be banning a lot of accounts who use LAN centers or hotspots to play EVE from.
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.11.07 12:39:00 - [76] A bunch of melodramatic drivel. Personally I don't care about any of this...
Syi	Posted - 2010.11.07 13:54:00 - [77] Your an idiot. Now when you accuse him of RMT he'll just say it was you that logged on his account and did it. I dont think you can have possibly messed up your evil master plan and more than you did.
xplosiv	Posted - 2010.11.07 15:55:00 - [78] Ban em all for 1 year. fire GM involved. simple. easy. limits dammage to CCP rep.
Tradew1nd	Posted - 2010.11.07 17:42:00 - [79] Edited by: Tradew1nd on 07/11/2010 17:44:06 go here if you truly feel that its warranted: [email protected] my own opinion: ban the lot


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