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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.08.06 15:43:00 -
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As a mainly PvE player (missions, complexes, anomalies, WHs) I'm wondering if it's worth training up Assault ships skill.
Are any of the AFs any good for PvE? Or are there just better ship choices in all cases?
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Nicaragua
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.06 15:47:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:As a mainly PvE player (missions, complexes, anomalies, WHs) I'm wondering if it's worth training up Assault ships skill.
Are any of the AFs any good for PvE? Or are there just better ship choices in all cases?
Cheers
ishkur is good but it depends on what level of missions, complexes, anomalies, WHs you are planning on doing. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.06 15:55:00 -
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ishkur and jaguar are nice for hisec exploration. i heard you can also run C1 anomalies in an assault frig.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.08.06 16:28:00 -
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I guess I'm thinking of 2/10 complexes, L2 missions and C1&2 WHs.
I'm mostly in Amarr and Caldari space, so it's Sanshas and Gurista rats. |
Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.06 16:52:00 -
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They can do lvl 2 missions easily. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.08.06 16:55:00 -
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I liked the Ishkur because drones don't take ammo and can change damage types. I have it on good authority that the Retribution is pretty amazing too.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.08.06 17:02:00 -
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I guess what I'm getting at, is whether they would outperform a T1 cruiser... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
1768
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Posted - 2012.08.06 17:07:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:I guess what I'm getting at, is whether they would outperform a T1 cruiser...
My guess is that if you're asking this, the answer is no. You should train cruisers and then battlecruisers and then T3s or battleships. The real answer is only sometimes. But that sometimes is pretty special. :)
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
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Posted - 2012.08.06 18:18:00 -
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I have battleships and battlecruisers and so on which I use for L4 and L3 missions... I'm thinking of cases where ships are restricted i.e. L2 missions and some complexes.
Thinking about it, L2 missions and 2/10 complexes aren't really worth the time anyway, so it's a moot point :P |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
1771
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Posted - 2012.08.06 20:39:00 -
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Don't think just about where ships are literally restricted, but instead about where ships are figuratively restricted. Would you be willing to risk a battleship in a hostile low sec mission hub? What about an AF? And what if the mission was blitzable and all you had to do was kill a couple of frigs?
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2012.08.06 20:54:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:I have battleships and battlecruisers and so on which I use for L4 and L3 missions... I'm thinking of cases where ships are restricted i.e. L2 missions and some complexes.
Thinking about it, L2 missions and 2/10 complexes aren't really worth the time anyway, so it's a moot point :P
If you're flying assault frigs in missions, you're doing this because it's fun. Not for efficiency.
Mara can really only fly the Malediction, the Vengeance and the Amarr dessies. Rockets ftw. Vengeance is just pure fun and doing missions in the Heretic is... uhmm... good for some adrenaline  .
Thinking about it, doing missions in the Inquisitor was also good for adrenaline, back when skills were rather low. Should really try this again now, after it had some rebalancing.
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Scaly
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.06 21:57:00 -
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I'm a glutton for punishment so I only run missions in ships I really have a boner for. Harpy is one of those ships. It can easily do all level 2 missions and honestly most level 3 as well, I kitted it out for sniping and put a MWD on it with some Spike ammo and just kite everything at 60k+ and snipe it down. You take 0 damage most of the time. Only issues I've ever had were big rats that could outtank my measly 90 dps, or getting ECM'd or webbed by some obnoxious drones. Angel Extravaganza is always a real pulse pounder though, sheesh. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
German Information Network Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.07 09:40:00 -
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Gallente pilot here.
AF's *can* be used for good deal of PvE activities. It's just they are not too effective DPS wise and tank can be tricky. On the other hand I had soloed selected few L4 missions with Ishkur and Enyo.
In my opinion, AF's are good for blitzing L2 and lower DED sistes. I can't comment on WH's.
Though in my experience the best fun is flying them when doing stuff with friends. When everyone is using AF's or similar caliber, it's hornet's swarm. When they fly bigger ships, you're kinda drone for them, taking on smaller targets while they smack on bigger. In either case it's not so great for cash flow, but it's not as boring as regular grinding. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.07 11:16:00 -
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As far as I know AFs are ships of choice to run some pirate arcs (Angels come to mind), mostly because mission pockets don't allow cruisers and bigger ships. Also they are relatively decent @ getting to the agent through lawless space (or can be hauled by BR with little effort, though putting like 40mil ship into 200+ mil ship may be not worth the risk). |
Hakaimono
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:33:00 -
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Only reason I used a Wolf for missions was because I trained for t2 frigs before I trained t1 cruisers.
I took a different route. |
Hugs n Kisses
Eternal Profiteers
Eternal Syndicate
490
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Posted - 2012.08.08 05:17:00 -
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I love ratting in null with my wolf. I know it not optimal isk/hr but its fun.
I play for fun.
Edit: mine does almost 400dps so bs's die fast enough. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
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Posted - 2012.08.08 05:33:00 -
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I use both Amar frigs for PvE.
Vengeance can do any L2 and most L3 missions without problem. And it's not even "that" slow :). In addition it's great for small deadspace actions (util high for offline probe launcher).
Retribution is great for belt ratting. Used it against Sanshas in Providence.
[Retribution, Ratting]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized EM Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Small Armor Repairer II
1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
[empty high slot]
Small Anti-EM Pump I
Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
Take a set of Multifrequenz T1 crystals and you can stay in belts forever :). Use the empty high for offline T2 Salvager if you get an officer spawn. After some time you can replace the low slots with True Sansha stuff which you might find.
PS: Is Providence still NRDS?
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:05:00 -
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I find the Ishkur with 150's does just fine in the lower end plexes and sites.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
Katalci
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:36:00 -
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They're really only good for the pirate-faction 0.0 Epic Arc missions. |
Siva Surya Kshatriya
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.08.09 03:45:00 -
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For ratting, no, not really. Even the Wolf, one of the highest DPS AF's, takes forever to kill BS rats. However, its advantage over t1 cruisers is that it can speed tank all the BS rats, whereas a non-kiting t1 cruiser will probably have trouble tanking (I'm talking about 2-3 BS rats with 3 NPC cruisers).
AF's do make great lvl. 1-2 missioning boats though, and they might even be able to do lvl. 3's solo (can't say for sure as I've never done them). However arty-Thrashers generally work just as well. |
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:39:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:I use both Amar frigs for PvE.
Vengeance can do any L2 and most L3 missions without problem. And it's not even "that" slow :). In addition it's great for small deadspace actions (util high for offline probe launcher).
Retribution is great for belt ratting. Used it against Sanshas in Providence.
[Retribution, Ratting]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized EM Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Small Armor Repairer II
1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
[empty high slot]
Small Anti-EM Pump I
Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
Take a set of Multifrequenz T1 crystals and you can stay in belts forever :). Use the empty high for offline T2 Salvager if you get an officer spawn. After some time you can replace the low slots with True Sansha stuff which you might find.
PS: Is Providence still NRDS?
It is. *points at CVA's KOS checker*
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Geoscape
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:48:00 -
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I have heard of people using assault frigs in Wolf-Rayet wormholes (bonuses to sig radius, armor resists and small gun damage). |
Alain Badiou
Shinken Shobu
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:21:00 -
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I regularly use an active shield tank Enyo that pushes 330DPS or so for blitzing L3's. Depending on the mission can be quite a bit faster than say a Myrm. It's also way more fun. L2's are easymode for an AF and I am sure an Enyo/Ishkur can easily run some L4's, but would obviously not be the best isk/hour ratio...
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:17:00 -
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I've used an ishkur w/ dual drone damage mods for most small deadspace sites. Pretty much like a poor mans/noobs ishtar I guess.
It does pretty well, just burn away from everything and let the drones go wild, nice mobile ship for spamming lowsec deadspace sites looking for faction spawns.
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Grycan Groot
Seraph Society
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:34:00 -
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I totaly love AFs
In my Retribution with about 250 DPS I am doing all lvl 3s (like wow cosmos are so easy??)..it is fast and easy.
My friends in corp also have trained AFs and when we are online in 2 pilots minimlay, we are doing lvl 4s...also very quick and without any problem.
I ve never had problems with PVE AF...Tho I wouldnt use it for WHs..I am using drake for C1 and dont think that AF would make it...still most of my tank is speedtank and dont know how good sleepers are in catching small targets...but I guess that when they can kill my t2 light drones in few secs then AF wouldnt be problem for them(unles you can kill all the frigs before you goes down).
GLORY TO SMALL,AGILE AND DEADLY SHIPS!! |
Maeltstome
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:00:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I liked the Ishkur because drones don't take ammo and can change damage types. I have it on good authority that the Retribution is pretty amazing too.
-Liang
Retribution is the best AF in the game now it has 2 mids and didnt sacrifice any other slots to get that second mid. |
RangerGord
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:46:00 -
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my fav lvl 4 pve frig is the harpy after the rebalancing, 330 dps, 95% kin resist with a web, ab, and medium booster it can run down anything and take out a lot of stuff faster than a drake in most cases
then i took the same concept and applied it to an asb merlin, it was even more fun to take into lvl 4's, i've done gone berserk in the harpy and never even needed to turn on my booster, and then i did gurista extraveganza in the merlin and usually pulled half room aggro with some friends along
as long as you fly smart you can take a moderately fit frig (t1/t2) into lvl 4's and survive just fine
from what i can tell the enyo is another fun blaster AF that can be setup pretty good for pve |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:25:00 -
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Running AF's in L1's, 2's, and even 3's is an interesting time.
Not the most profitable, but great practice for actually "flying" your ship.
If you ever want to fly small ship PvP, some of the things you learn running AF's in PvE can be used in PvP.
Some things have to be "unlearned" like merely orbiting at long ranges, but you get to understand angular velocity and the value of speed and sig size.
Also, ratting in low sec belts in an AF can be fun.
You can take a PvP fit Ishkur or Enyo out into belts and melt Serp's and Gurista's easily, and if you fancy, tangle with some pilots. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
103
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Posted - 2012.08.23 09:35:00 -
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Assault Frigates are a lot of fun to fly and you can do with them low-sec and 0.0 ratting, smaller plexes and wormholes... yes, with a well fitted wolf you can easily kill sleeper in class 1 wormholes and with some more efforts even in class 2 wormholes solo. |
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