... wtf!??!?!?

a capital rr should be designed to cover the area of a capital ship which can be several kilometers long... the dispersion ratio would have to be massive to be effective on a ship that level... so its only logical that if i were to target the same interceptor that the amount of rr the ship would receive would be minimal aswell... (as most of it would fall on empty space)

so everything is broken?

Lol, someone calling for a logi nerf because they cannot field as many logi as their enemies.

Look logi are fine, they require a nice amount of skills to get into and several skills at level 5 to fly them well. They are not this ultimate OMG I CAnT hIT ThAT HAxz!!! They are pretty easy to kill, their EHP is low, especially for a t2 ship, and the only thing that they have going for them is their speed/sig, which can be easily countered. Also if you cant hit a logi for full damage in an Ahac then you shouldnt be flying the Ahac.

Finally if you are really really really really having a hard time combating logi then have everyone in your fleet that can field drones use ECM drones and just swam the enemy logi with ECM. An ECM swam can shut down logi and with guards/basi that means shutting down other logi (cap trains).

The most OP logi would have to be the Scimi, since it can scoot around outside the enemy range and still provide reps, but that not a problem with the logi, that the basis of all Mini ships.

So logi are fine, dont be mad because you cant get people to fly them.

/Disagree with the OP. Logistics are not overpowered, even if it may seem so to a solo pilot. But really, if that Scimitar repping the Drake who you're shooting at was instead a Falcon jamming you, would anything be different? No, you'd still probably die. If you don't want to die, either field logistics of your own, field mobile, accurate DPS to kill the logi, or use EWAR to make the logi useless.

Logistics ships can be countered rather easily.

The ONLY problem I see with logistics ships as they are is that they don't incur a combat timer for repping, and thus can dock in structure, repair, undock, rep again, get shot, dock in hull, rinse, repeat, which is lame and uncounterable. But the logistics ships themselves, in terms of being OP, are just fine.

Give a frigate an 1100dps tank, since the frigate has probably under 40m sig radius it becomes effectively invulnerable.

Plus because it has your MWD off you'll never kill the Oneiros that's 72km away. A drake volley to an Oneiros does about 70 damage so you won't break the shields if you can hit it.

Support 2 DPS Abaddons as they mow down L4's.

Do L4's with the Oneiros by itself......Ex. Gone Berserk L4, the Death Knight cruisers do under 4 damage, 1 medium repper and you are set.

Then there are the Logi ships that generate infinite energy, if we've mastered that WTF are we fighting over we can all go home we have become god.

this is not about one vrs one or even 3 vrs 3 this is about scale.

When you are in a fleet with 50 ships and half are logi ships there is a problem.

And yes you might be right about the falcon but that is why ecm have been nerfed so many times.

Plus one to the op!

kill cap chains to and cap stability to make repping units break down over time and far more suceptable to nuets. have medium reps only. increase sig 30% and raw hp 30%. reduce t2 resists slightly.

fix highsec nuet repping

Or just give neutral logistics aggro timers, dock timers, and make them take full aggro as if they are they ones shooting and not whoever they are repping. Much simpler and easier to balance. I'd fully support such a change, since it seems odd that a logistics can rep a target with few real penalties.

this is not about one vrs one or even 3 vrs 3 this is about scale.

When you are in a fleet with 50 ships and half are logi ships there is a problem.

And yes you might be right about the falcon but that is why ecm have been nerfed so many times.

Plus one to the op!

No, Alice Katsuko you are spreading disinformation.
Probably because this is your form of "win most of the time" PVP with only minor losses taken.




RR should stack... everything else does...
And that fellow up there who said that a capital rep should not be able to repair full damage per cycle, on a frigate class hull, was spot on.



@Roosterton

ECM is chance based... you know that. None of these methods work Vs. a logi gang of 5-10 sitting at close range. Not everyone has (or should have) access to a massive Alpha fleet. Nor should the only counter be stupid amounts of Alpha or as many Guardians. Nothing else in the game works this way so meh to you sir.


Meh to you...
Meh...

And I counter with, not everybody has, (or should have) access to a massive fleet of logis to cause such a problem in the first place?

and is that not the problem is that you have to bring pretty much 50% logi ships now...

ok maybe i got the scale thing wrong becuase at a certain point in fleet size you can alpha threw the other guy...

but my changes wont change this for large fleets but what it will do is make a significant change to those in small fleets...

i usually run in 24 man roams in 0.0...

and i got to tell you our fights end up being like the alliance tournament when you had two logi's on both sides... i.e. boring... predictable... sigh...

but... make rr sig radius based and presto fun fights and more ships dying... ( i am talking fleet variety here not just nano shield/ ahac/ drakes/ arty boats) lets add some spice some "jua de vive" to pvp again...

i mean today entire fleets are designed around countering RR... Just like we used to have to all fit nos in order to counter the other guys nos... or everyone had atleast one multi spec or remote sensor damp or nano ***** it up...