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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:12:00 -
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This message was moments ago delivered simultaneously across seventy solar systems, spanning regions and empires.
This is the voice of the Ushra'Khan. Heed our words. As I speak to you here, my brothers speak with me across the span of light years.
We speak in unison, a multitude of voices bearing one, singular message across scores of solar systems. We invite you to share in this moment with us.
We are an organisation dedicated to the pursuit of one, single goal; the eradication of slavery throughout New Eden.
It is a goal that has over the years earned us fame and notoriety in equal measure, our methods decried by some and admired by others.
We have known criticism, and been humbled by the hand of fate as well. But today we stand before you unrepentant.
We are the Ushra'Khan, and our resolve is unbroken, our goals unchanged. Despite all that befalls us, we shall continue in our mission.
Our ideals remain unrealised, and it is towards their fulfilment that we strive. Providence has been left behind us, its control given over to the coalition that was created in place of the former slaver dominance over the region.
It is our hope that these Capsuleer alliances can together maintain the promise of a liberated future for its populace.
For our own part, we have returned in body, name and spirit to live among free Matari in the Great Wildands region.
Travelling with us, the multitude of slaves liberated in Providence who chose to journey here and live with their Thukker cousins and brethren in our Elders' sanctuaries.
There we seek to reconcile with our estranged brothers living among the tribal lands. Our past grievances with the former pro-appeasement government of the Minmatar Republic may now be reconciled.
As the Elders have brought home many of the Starkmanir and Nefantar tribes, we ever aspire to continue that work and to return ourselves from distant lands to be among our people.
Perhaps now our years apart might begin to draw to a close. It is to that end that we have adopted an 'NRDS' engagement policy within the Great Wildlands, and hope to find common ground with its residents.
We do not demand that our friends follow our lead in their affairs, but do not suffer others to dictate ours. It is to our disappointment that we find ourselves confronted with standings enclosurism present in the region.
Time and again we have been confronted by those who demand we follow their policies, befriend their friend and reject their rival. We reject this notion.
We are free pilots and exercise our right to make our own choices in pursuit of our cause; and to defend the rights of others to make those same choices.
We shall not validate a system that denies this. It is one thing to seek order in life, it is quite another to impose it upon others.
We find this attitude present within the space lanes of the Thukker's great caravans to be a great disappointment, and an unwelcome reminder of the laws laid down in former Amarrian Providence under 'Operation Deliverance'.
Mark these words, Capsuleers of the Wildlands. We come not to threaten you or to impose change upon you. This is no invasion, and these words are no ultimatum. We come simply to live among our people.
We have no quarrel with you, if you have none with us. How you choose to receive us is your choice to make.
We shall continue to operate 'NRDS' within the region, if you choose to make yourselves an enemy, so be it. It shall be your choice.
But the Wildlands are not the full scope of our vision, far from it. Our mission shall continue to take us beyond the borders of Tribal lands on a daily basis.
We look upon Amarr, and see evil at work. We see an Imperial regime that enslaves and exploits entire cultures, a regime that mounts a self-proclaimed 'holy' crusade upon its neighbours.
cont..
The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation |
Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:14:00 -
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Although the Starkmanir & Nefantar are in part returned to liberty, many billions remain behind in the Ammatar Mandate under the governorship of an Amarrian 'Royal Holder', the house Ardishapur.
In the aftermath of the Elder War the remaining populace of the Mandate has been subjected to an intensified cultural subversion, as propaganda is interwoven into society under the guise of 'aid & reconstruction'.
The mass-construction of so-called Faith schools, Cathedrals and the replacement of great swathes of upper government and military posts previously held by Ammatar with 'True' Amarrians.
Look closely, the Ammatar have been reigned in, their leash is tightening under the pretence of post-war redevelopment.
A great undertaking remains before us. As the free Tribes begin at last to raise themselves higher than ever before, the Amarr seek to bring those still left behind ever closer to their knees.
We must not forget those people, and we must act for their salvation, not by a so-called god, but by the hands of their brothers.
We remember them. And every action we take is but one more taken in the long war to win their freedom. To fight for their right to choose for themselves, perhaps for the first time in their lives.
We are the Ushra'Khan. We come for our people.
The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation |
Legebriril24
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:16:00 -
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We come for our people!
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:17:00 -
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We come for our people.
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Astroyka
Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:18:00 -
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We come for our people.
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Cassini Huygens
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:20:00 -
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We come for our people.
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:21:00 -
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We come for our people. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:22:00 -
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I'm usually pretty neutral on the whole issue of slavery. If anything I'm leaning towards abolitionism.
But flooding public channels with unsolicited text is the very definition of Spam.
Spamming tends not to illicit a very good reaction to anything.
To be honest I had the person blocked the moment it became obvious that it was just a playback. It would not surprise me if many others did the same. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:23:00 -
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Quote: We come for our people.
As has previously been pointed out: they're our people, and we have the receipts to prove it.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:23:00 -
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As I pointed out in a previous thread, all your people are not in Providence.
There are a few million over in Stain with brain chips courtesy of the Nation.
So what is a higher priority for the new U'K? Will you hunt for a handful of Minmatar in Providence or will you match your rhetoric with action and prove that this time that you are more than just a mob of pirates and terrorists?
Serving the Dark Amarr |
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk As I pointed out in a previous thread, all your people are not in Providence.
There are a few million over in Stain with brain chips courtesy of the Nation.
So what is a higher priority for the new U'K? Will you hunt for a handful of Minmatar in Providence or will you match your rhetoric with action and prove that this time that you are more than just a mob of pirates and terrorists?
It appears someone didn't read the original post. What a surprise. Try again.
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Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:27:00 -
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We are the Ushra'Khan, and we move forwards, for our people.
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Lord Makk > I swear to god if there is a saviour, his name is Forlorn.
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Brain Stavo
Minmatar Intercision Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:29:00 -
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We are the Ushra'Khan, and we move forwards, for our people.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak
It appears someone didn't read the original post. What a surprise. Try again.
Um...I did. I'm still waiting for you or someone from U'K to make a definitive statement for or against the idea of freeing Minmatar slaves held by the Nation in the Stain region.
Serving the Dark Amarr |
Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Originally by: Borza Slavak
It appears someone didn't read the original post. What a surprise. Try again.
Um...I did. I'm still waiting for you or someone from U'K to make a definitive statement for or against the idea of freeing Minmatar slaves held by the Nation in the Stain region.
Really?
Quote:
But the Wildlands are not the full scope of our vision, far from it. Our mission shall continue to take us beyond the borders of Tribal lands on a daily basis.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:40:00 -
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That says nothing.
Oh well. I guess we'll have to wait and see what wondrful deeds you try to accomplish.
Serving the Dark Amarr |
Ragnar STS
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ragnar STS on 07/11/2010 22:45:05
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Um...I did. I'm still waiting for you or someone from U'K to make a definitive statement for or against the idea of freeing Minmatar slaves held by the Nation in the Stain region.
We have been roaming regularly outside of the Great Wildlands. We have easy access to Derelik, Scalding Pass, Etherum Reach, Catch, Germinate, Curse, and Metropolis. Stain does require a bit more work to reach. Perhaps we could regularly assist regional powers in Stain to free all the people we cannot regularly make communications with -- so far away are some of our people.
Ushra'Khan will fight.
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Xious
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:48:00 -
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We are united, under one focus, with a singular goal. You may try to impede us, many have, some have succeded. But you will never stop us. Our goal is freedom for all.
For unity and freedom!
Originally by: CCP Shadow This thread has been cleansed of bodily fluid references.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.07 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 07/11/2010 23:22:45 Sinjin, Ushra'Khan has been fighting The Nation since before capsuleer alliances were formally registered with Concord. Ushra'Khan will continue to stand against all slavers, including The Nation, until all humanity is free. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.08 00:34:00 -
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Oh, you guys are back. I guess that's a good thing.
Try not to kill too many, you know...slaves while trying to rescue said slaves. But give 'em hell anyway. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |
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cinbar
Helen Burn Corp Noobswarm.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 01:54:00 -
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We come for your people!
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Val Starweaver
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Posted - 2010.11.08 02:15:00 -
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I come for your people...
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Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.11.08 02:55:00 -
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Shortly after the Ushra'Khan speech is broadcasted all across the regions, a new signal would flicker to life across the same channels - with a picture of a gruff looking Brutor with some rather interesting genetic modifications, looking right into the fuzzy camera.
I hope this ****in' thing works, old piece of garbage. Alright... I'm sure that ya'll have just finished pukin' after listenin' to that Ushra'Kunt preachin' about freedoms this and freedoms that.
Ain't havin' none of that crap, those damn ****ers are so full of crap that it stopped bein' funny awhile ago. Lemme give ya'll the behind the scenes crap...
Nearly a month ago, these damn Goon-wannabes contacted us back when they were in Damu'Khonde, askin' for standings and **** like that. Apparently, these bastards heard about us already livin' there and operatin' NRDS and all that. So they wannabe all buddy-buddy. Didn't see nothin' wrong with that at first. Well, we talk... and talk some more... apparently, they ain't too happy about adoptin' a common list of standings.
So it ends on this... they be sayin' that in the end, we'd have the same list anyway... somethin' like ninety-five percent or some ****, claimin' that only the Amarrian-loyalists are to be shot on sight.
A pause as the Brutor takes a moment to take out a tobacco stick to light and take a long drag of it, blowing the smoke out of both nostrils.
Now, a lotta of ya are prolly wonderin' who the **** I am anyway... or how the **** I'd know about what Ushra'Kunt are doin' in the Wildlands. Well, ain't a lot of capsuleers know or care to admit this but the Great Wildlands are already home to an NRDS alliance. Hell, even an NRDS coalition! Been livin' here since the old Foundati0n alliance, fightin' to keep the area free for new corps or alliances wantin' a taste of zero-sec without being harassed by pirates.
Normally, we don't go lettin' others shootin' neutrals in our home so our allies adapt our list to fight by and it works 'cuz we're all NRDS group fightin' for the same thing.
It don't take a ****in' genius to figure out that for NRDS groups to work, they need to share standings and have common enemies. Ushra'Kunt didn' seem to think so... so they moved right in, lifted the blanket and offered every damn movin' thing in the region to hop into bed with'em! Ain't even a week gone by before we get word that these ****ers are flyin' with our reds in their gangs and shootin' our other allies. Even after we gave them the damn curtesy of lookin' away in-case they go around shootin' some damn Amarrians that wander into our space that are still neutral to us.
The cig goes flying off the screen as the Brutor finishes it.
Bastards start cryin' about enclosurism and **** like that when we take'em up on the **** they've been causin' us and had the balls to claim they gonna stay out of any blue on blue fights - ****in' lost a good Cyclone when they defended one o' the local pirates we fight.
Final damn straw came when they decided to invite our arch-enemies into their giant orgy of pirates, so we set'em red and send a couple o' mails to their ****-talkin' diplomats about it. Course that don't matter much 'cuz they still come cryin' about us startin' it all... prolly gonna see more of that soon...
Any-****in'-way...there ya have it! Dunno if any of ya care but I had enough of them preachin' their crap in my local channels.
The Brutor would smirk at the camera though.
Don't really matter either though... they ain't the first to come to the Wildlands and try to mess with our business.
Certainly ain't the last either.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 03:25:00 -
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Thornne Lequemar > Vitoc 20mil good stuff time 3290 > Pax Amarria see the light come to your new god Thornne Lequemar > Vitoc 20mil each
I have suspected RE-AL to have Ammatar affiliations, now they freely admit it. I fully believe they are trying to maintain a foothold in GW in order to spread the influence of the Mandate and the Empire.
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dibblebill
Disciples of Night Dominion of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.11.08 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi Thornne Lequemar > Vitoc 20mil good stuff time 3290 > Pax Amarria see the light come to your new god Thornne Lequemar > Vitoc 20mil each
I have suspected RE-AL to have Ammatar affiliations, now they freely admit it. I fully believe they are trying to maintain a foothold in GW in order to spread the influence of the Mandate and the Empire.
I was told off by time once for objecting to inviting ex-CVA bloc corporations and alliances into Great Wildlands. Just worth noting. *SPLUD* |
Victoria Stecker
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.08 05:16:00 -
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Victoria connects and the screen shows her, laughing hysterically until she finally falls out of her chair. The feed drops for a minute, then returns to show her back in the chair and wiping tears from her eyes, a wide and wicked grin on her face as she finally regains enough composure to speak.
Oh Hell, Nykitah! Thank you so much... I needed that. After the seriousness of the broadcast and the somber discussion of Ushra'Khan's ideals, I really needed a good laugh.
She pauses as she reviews the message again and giggles, then blinks in surprise.
Oh wait... you were serious? You really believe that load of **** you just spewed out the wrong end?
She giggle and grins.
We came to Great Wildlands with the intention that we wouldn't be involved in much fighting there. Toward that end, sure, we adopted blue standings with a decent number of the residents there - basically anyone that didn't shoot us. We had no interest in joining your little CVA-model NRDS police force, and we certainly aren't going to let some ex-Foundation whelp try to dictate standings to us. There is nothing that says we need to have common enemies unless we were planning on fighting together - and we weren't. NRDS is simply a method of ROE to which we prescribe. It doesn't mean we're going to go fight every NBSI entity in the cluster simply because of that.
You had your lovely little fight with Veritas Imortales. We decided we didn't feel like fighting with them. You decided to set us red. That's fine, but don't try to spin it as something else. And don't ***** about losing your cyclone - you came and engaged the one non-U'K member of a fleet, then waited for them to defend him before warping in your support. You were looking for a fight and you got it - now man up and say so, don't be such a ****ing *****.
Speaking of ****ing pussies, I feel bad for your allies. I really liked the boys in X-legio, funny accents and all, but it seems that you forced them to set us red too. Sucks to be them. At least they had the decency to make proper diplomatic contact rather than attacking us while we still thought they were friendly. Your diplomats should take a lesson there.
She leans back and sighs, then grins wickedly.
Nykitah, we never had any plans to mess with your business. We simply don't have the patience for CVA-style bull****. We do, however, have the patience for war. And war with a buncha Ammatars? What could be better! You sir, have single-handedly made our stay in Great Wildlands a hundred times more fun than it would have been if our diplomats had had their way and we were still blue.
You wanted us red, you got your way. Now you've got a war on your hands. Now man up and quit acting like you didn't want it, you sniveling little whelp.
- In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
Sinti Vailatti
MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.11.08 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Stecker We came to Great Wildlands with the intention that we wouldn't be involved in much fighting there...
You would think after the last time U'K would actually check the backgrounds of the people they let into their little alliance.
You claim to be pro-Matari, yet you let this slave-killing slag into U'K? WOW...you guys are DUMB.
Have fun dealing with her.
Serving the Dark Amarr |
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.11.08 05:55:00 -
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This is like watching a jumpgate failure in slow motion...
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Tagera
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Posted - 2010.11.08 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha This is like watching a jumpgate failure in slow motion...
Agreed. Very messy. So my question is since the Greater Wildlands is nominally Thukker Tribes area. What do the leaders of the tribe have to say about this? I wouldn't want to **** them off if I were you. I think you'd lose, and I doubt they'd have a problem fighting Minmatar against Minmatar. Just saying my piece as a former slave myself. I was one of those younglings that got smuggled out of Amarr space at an early age. And as a former slave, I whole heartedly endorse the act of freeing slaves. Whether it's from those Nation droneheads. Or if it's from the amarr themselves.
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
You would think after the last time U'K would actually check the backgrounds of the people they let into their little alliance.
You claim to be pro-Matari, yet you let this slave-killing slag into U'K? WOW...you guys are DUMB.
Have fun dealing with her.
Hey Sinti, good to see you again. And ya know, they'll take those of us who simply hate the Empire enough that we'll fight to bring it down.
Besides, wasn't Gemma an Ammatar like you? I forget. Regardless, I doubt they'll mind too much if I keep picking off Sinjin's capsuleer slaves - it's the ordinary people that these fine folk are interested in saving. So long as I'm willing to help out with that, we get along just fine. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
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Mad Murgan
Minmatar DAEDALUS X Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mad Murgan on 08/11/2010 06:50:41 um...Ms. Sinti... Could you please not insult my friends in such a vulger manner please. I know it's a lot to ask from someone who doesn't know what decorum is, but seriously, please try and be civil. Now I admit it would be much more fun to watch Victoria take you apart, but come on this looks like you have some serious unresolved issues. I know, I know not having your feelings returned in like manner hurts, but seriously, your taking stalking to a whole new level. So here is Mads perscription to cure you of this unhealthy obsession with Victoria. Get a sidearm of choice, field strip it. Make sure it's in good working order now. Load it, rack a round a round, place it in your filthy little mouth and gently...and I mean gently, squeeze the trigger and remove your presance from the gene pool. Of course not being a doctor and all, maybe you shouldn't listen to me. But miracles can alwyas happen now can't they. Sanity is relative.
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Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.08 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tagera
Agreed. Very messy. So my question is since the Greater Wildlands is nominally Thukker Tribes area. What do the leaders of the tribe have to say about this? I wouldn't want to **** them off if I were you. I think you'd lose, and I doubt they'd have a problem fighting Minmatar against Minmatar. Just saying my piece as a former slave myself. I was one of those younglings that got smuggled out of Amarr space at an early age. And as a former slave, I whole heartedly endorse the act of freeing slaves. Whether it's from those Nation droneheads. Or if it's from the amarr themselves.
The Wildlands belong to the Thukker Tribe, correct? These Ursha'khan guys seem to understand that, but these RE-AL guys seem to wish to challenge the Tribes authority. |
Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pablos Locos
Originally by: Tagera
Agreed. Very messy. So my question is since the Greater Wildlands is nominally Thukker Tribes area. What do the leaders of the tribe have to say about this? I wouldn't want to **** them off if I were you. I think you'd lose, and I doubt they'd have a problem fighting Minmatar against Minmatar. Just saying my piece as a former slave myself. I was one of those younglings that got smuggled out of Amarr space at an early age. And as a former slave, I whole heartedly endorse the act of freeing slaves. Whether it's from those Nation droneheads. Or if it's from the amarr themselves.
The Wildlands belong to the Thukker Tribe, correct? These Ursha'khan guys seem to understand that, but these RE-AL guys seem to wish to challenge the Tribes authority.
You are quite correct. We tried to approach RE-AL in a friendly manner.
At first it seemed that we could co-exist, unfortunately one of the practice of standings-enclosureism, as practiced by CVA, is very much the "bread and butter" of RE-AL. Basically, unless you show your fealty, you are not wanted. The Ushra'Khan only show fealty to freedom, not to some pretender.
Having a diplomat like NukNuk doesn't really help RE-AL. Even if you do not agree with each other, being straightforward is very important. Someone who methodically has altered discussion logs cannot be trusted.
But, this conversation is not to **** on RE-AL, they are doing a splendid job at that themselves, this conversation is to inform New Eden as to what our intentions are.
Thankfully, the more intelligent part of New Eden understands this.
We come, for our people! ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:41:00 -
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Here we go again....
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time 3290
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Posted - 2010.11.08 10:16:00 -
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Oh no on here as well i had to read the same crap in local, They come for there pepole is that why they blue everyone!!!!
Well if anyone wants to hunt tis lot for being well for being them just go U3K most sit in a pos at PIV M1 or pIII M1 but watch out they talk alot
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Ratokus
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: time 3290 Oh no on here as well i had to read the same crap in local, They come for there pepole is that why they blue everyone!!!!
Well if anyone wants to hunt tis lot for being well for being them just go U3K most sit in a pos at PIV M1 or pIII M1 but watch out they talk alot
Wow, just wow, Republic alliance does not have the military strength to take down a UK POS and has resorted to begging on IGS for some as yet unseen benifactor to do their work for them.
The painful truth is UK came to GW looking for respite after provi to regather and found RE-AL, a self important bunch of amarrian puppets, race traitors who were uncompfortable with not being top dogs anymore and have tried very, very hard to still be the big fish in the small pond.
We, luckily do not need to cry in the summit for help, we have power to take your toys from you, and now due to you resetting us, have the will aswell.
So, I'm calling it. Your chromium and platium moons around the 4th planet of DE71 will be ours. Your platinum mining moon at 2-1 DE71 will be ours Your vanadium tower at 1-1 in 7JF will be ours your platium moon at 3-1 in 7JF will be ours your platinum moons in P1T at 5-13 and 4-7 will be ours your scandium moon at 5-3 in M-M will be ours as will the vanadium one at 12-3
your mercury moon at 8-7 in N1H will be ours As will your platinum moons at 7-14 and 8-8
we are also looking to eject you from your ratting haven in m-y, your medium domination tower harvesting platium at 6-10 will be taken from you.
you are in for a bad month my son.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 11:21:00 -
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We come for our people!
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Wotlankor
Intercision Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: time 3290 Oh no on here as well i had to read the same crap in local, They come for there pepole is that why they blue everyone!!!!
Well if anyone wants to hunt tis lot for being well for being them just go U3K most sit in a pos at PIV M1 or pIII M1 but watch out they talk alot
That was a bit below the waist. Screaming intel out like that, but we can play that game as well. Every time you decide to take this game to a "higher" level we will follow suit. You decide where it stops.
In regards to the blue'ing... We are free to blue and red who we want. So should any free corp or alliance. We came in peace and ofcource seek out friends before we seek out enemies.
When said friends tries to force our hand and point our guns in a certain direction they are no longer friends but manipulators. Altering diplomatic conversations is the lowest form of manipulation and this new step is just one more in same direction. Be carefull where that road takes you. It is dark and the only thing following you all the way will the the howls of our warriors. Your version of NRDS is just another way of enforcing standings on smaller corps and alliances.
Let people be free and choose their own destiny. Please resize your signature to no more than 120 x 400 pixels and 24,000 bytes (not KBytes) - Adida |
zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pablos Locos
Originally by: Tagera
Agreed. Very messy. So my question is since the Greater Wildlands is nominally Thukker Tribes area. What do the leaders of the tribe have to say about this? I wouldn't want to **** them off if I were you. I think you'd lose, and I doubt they'd have a problem fighting Minmatar against Minmatar. Just saying my piece as a former slave myself. I was one of those younglings that got smuggled out of Amarr space at an early age. And as a former slave, I whole heartedly endorse the act of freeing slaves. Whether it's from those Nation droneheads. Or if it's from the amarr themselves.
The Wildlands belong to the Thukker Tribe, correct? These Ursha'khan guys seem to understand that, but these RE-AL guys seem to wish to challenge the Tribes authority.
We have seen how they deploy TCUs in thukker station systems. Go figure.
recruiting -forum
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
We come for our people!
Apparently not, apparently you come for the moons listed above. Ushra'Khan has not changed one bit. You couldn't project power over Providence so your trying it in Great Wildlands.
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Ratokus
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tarac Nor Listen to me, I am relevent, no....no.... dont ignore me /cry Quote:
How sad.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 08/11/2010 12:35:56
Originally by: Tarac Nor
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
We come for our people!
Apparently not, apparently you come for the moons listed above. Ushra'Khan has not changed one bit. You couldn't project power over Providence so your trying it in Great Wildlands.
i think a doublespy...
that infiltrates, dissolves and sells alliances, and who usually has not the slightest interest in real politics (a.k.a. RP) and who only speaks up if there is some smack to hand out to the alliance he failed to destroy, and who now has trouble finding a home for longer than a few weeks,
.... is not exactly the bringer of truth that people would listen to.
I could be wrong though.... recruiting -forum
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tarac Nor on 08/11/2010 12:40:23 Edited by: Tarac Nor on 08/11/2010 12:39:43
Originally by: Ratokus
Originally by: Tarac Nor Listen to me, I am relevent, no....no.... dont ignore me cry
How sad.
Demonstrating the level of which Usha'Khan has fallen. A childish attempt at drawing the eyes of Galnet from the truth. It is rather sad indeed.
OOC: Learn to quote.
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Wotlankor
Intercision Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:40:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Tarac Nor
Apparently not, apparently you come for the moons listed above. Ushra'Khan has not changed one bit. You couldn't project power over Providence so your trying it in Great Wildlands.
Wrong. We came in peace but now we will have a look at the moons. It is only sensible in a war to deny income to the enemy and take it for your self. In this case the moons will go to aliles. We are not very interested in Moons but if the enemy is, then it has to become a foci of ours. Does this make sense to you or should the logics of war be simplified further? Please resize your signature to no more than 120 x 400 pixels and 24,000 bytes (not KBytes) - Adida |
Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:48:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Wotlankor
Originally by: Tarac Nor
Apparently not, apparently you come for the moons listed above. Ushra'Khan has not changed one bit. You couldn't project power over Providence so your trying it in Great Wildlands.
Wrong. We came in peace but now we will have a look at the moons. It is only sensible in a war to deny income to the enemy and take it for your self. In this case the moons will go to aliles. We are not very interested in Moons but if the enemy is, then it has to become a foci of ours. Does this make sense to you or should the logics of war be simplified further?
Likely story. I'm sure the moons will find themselves in the assets of Shell Corporations run by members of your alliance using Fake Identities (OOC: Alts)where ISK will be channeled back into the alliance from those Corporations.
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 12:55:00 -
[46]
Originally by: zoolkhan Edited by: zoolkhan on 08/11/2010 12:35:56
Originally by: Tarac Nor
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
We come for our people!
Apparently not, apparently you come for the moons listed above. Ushra'Khan has not changed one bit. You couldn't project power over Providence so your trying it in Great Wildlands.
i think a doublespy...
that infiltrates, dissolves and sells alliances, and who usually has not the slightest interest in real politics (a.k.a. RP) and who only speaks up if there is some smack to hand out to the alliance he failed to destroy, and who now has trouble finding a home for longer than a few weeks,
.... is not exactly the bringer of truth that people would listen to.
I could be wrong though....
Former double spy, also the intention was never to dissolve the Alliance name. Also i happen to be happy and welcome where i am in my current Corporation but thanks for the concern. But lets not look at me, i believe the focus was on your Alliance and the whole projecting power thing in a new region.
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Wotlankor
Intercision Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 13:09:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Tarac Nor But lets not look at me...
HA HA HA... You didn't want that attention anyway ?
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 13:33:00 -
[48]
Nope, don't need it. But i will state my opinion and views when i think its necessary.
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Sinti Vailatti
MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.11.08 13:42:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Mad Murgan Edited by: Mad Murgan on 08/11/2010 06:50:41 um...Ms. Sinti... Could you please not insult my friends in such a vulger manner please. I know it's a lot to ask from someone who doesn't know what decorum is, but seriously, please try and be civil...
My dear, sweet Mr. Murgan. I'm so terribly sorry that my statements caused you so much stress. You are correct in that the *****, I'm sorry, I mean dear, sweet Victoria and I have a bit of a history.
In short, about six months ago, she was responsible for the murder of a fellow slave. This murder she not only freely admits to, but is rather proud of. Further, it is believed that the victim's cybernetics were then sold to the Nation, just prior to the start of the incursions which have cost millions of Matari lives. She is also guilty of many more atrocities.
If this is the kind of person you feel best represents U'K in their drive to "free" our "people" then that pretty much goes against everything that was mentioned in your mission statement at the beginning of this thread.
Oh and incidentially, I know you guys are new to U'K but do you think you could at least try not to sound like you're still in Star Fraction? that would add loads to your credibility.
As for the rest of your juvinile thread...
Here I am. Come free me.
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Wotlankor
Intercision Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 13:44:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tarac Nor Nope, don't need it. But i will state my opinion and views when i think its necessary.
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Xious
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 14:01:00 -
[51]
Guys, guys, look at me. I am relevant. Bow down to me@@~~
Originally by: CCP Shadow This thread has been cleansed of bodily fluid references.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 14:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tagera
So my question is since the Greater Wildlands is nominally Thukker Tribes area. What do the leaders of the tribe have to say about this?
Ushra'Khan has for years been following the path of freeing our brethren from slavery. The actions of the Elder Fleet during the liberation of the Starmankir make it clear that they hold similar values. On the other hand Republic Alliance have a history of friendship with Amarr loyalists.
The answer should be obvious.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 14:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Ushra'Khan has for years been following the path of freeing our brethren from slavery.
What the Ushra'Khan has been doing for years is brutally attacking vessels belonging to slavers with the effect of killing as many slaves as they rescue. And of course, what awaits those slaves is a life of degredation and poverty in a resettlement camp on some Matari hellhole. Hardly a good advert for "freedom"
Oh, and of course they like to place the odd bounty on any Minmatar leader who happens to disagree with them as well.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Wotlankor
Intercision Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Wotlankor on 08/11/2010 14:51:46
Originally by: Nykitah ... ****in' lost a good Cyclone when they defended one o' the local pirates we fight.
Final damn straw came when they decided to invite our arch-enemies into their giant orgy of pirates,
For one who claim to speak on behalf of the Thukker Tribe you are ofcoruce well aware of the standings and close ties Thukker have to the Angel Cartel.
Angel Cartel being pirates...
No, ofcource you do not. You speak as it pleases you twisting and turning the words, even going as far as moderating diplomatic conversations before presenting them to your leadership. Your words are void and hollow !
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time 3290
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ratokus
Originally by: time 3290 Oh no on here as well i had to read the same crap in local, They come for there pepole is that why they blue everyone!!!!
Well if anyone wants to hunt tis lot for being well for being them just go U3K most sit in a pos at PIV M1 or pIII M1 but watch out they talk alot
Wow, just wow, Republic alliance does not have the military strength to take down a UK POS and has resorted to begging on IGS for some as yet unseen benifactor to do their work for them.
The painful truth is UK came to GW looking for respite after provi to regather and found RE-AL, a self important bunch of amarrian puppets, race traitors who were uncompfortable with not being top dogs anymore and have tried very, very hard to still be the big fish in the small pond.
We, luckily do not need to cry in the summit for help, we have power to take your toys from you, and now due to you resetting us, have the will aswell.
So, I'm calling it. Your chromium and platium moons around the 4th planet of DE71 will be ours. Your platinum mining moon at 2-1 DE71 will be ours Your vanadium tower at 1-1 in 7JF will be ours your platium moon at 3-1 in 7JF will be ours your platinum moons in P1T at 5-13 and 4-7 will be ours your scandium moon at 5-3 in M-M will be ours as will the vanadium one at 12-3
your mercury moon at 8-7 in N1H will be ours As will your platinum moons at 7-14 and 8-8
we are also looking to eject you from your ratting haven in m-y, your medium domination tower harvesting platium at 6-10 will be taken from you.
you are in for a bad month my son.
Wow just wow I told you they talk alot but thats all it is TALK and tell me again your mercury moon at 8-7 in N1H will be ours do the scan again i wish it was a mercury moon and to do this you have to 1, undock 2, come out of your pos oh and try to take your cloak off them vagas your killing a good ship with that on it ****zzz
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Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Forlorn Wongraven on 08/11/2010 15:20:08
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk I'm still waiting for you or someone from U'K to make a definitive statement for or against the idea of freeing Minmatar slaves held by the Nation in the Stain region.
In recent attacks from the Nation in Minmatar highsec space we gathered immediately forces and defended our brothers, being the biggest entity in such events. The intel we are receiving over GalNet shows that these attacks will continue and with RE-AL being hostile to Thukker we might focus a little more on Great Wildlands and defending against Sansha surprise attacks nearby. ____________________
Lord Makk > I swear to god if there is a saviour, his name is Forlorn.
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:44:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ratokus So, I'm calling it. Your chromium and platium moons around the 4th planet of DE71 will be ours. Your platinum mining moon at 2-1 DE71 will be ours Your vanadium tower at 1-1 in 7JF will be ours your platium moon at 3-1 in 7JF will be ours your platinum moons in P1T at 5-13 and 4-7 will be ours your scandium moon at 5-3 in M-M will be ours as will the vanadium one at 12-3
your mercury moon at 8-7 in N1H will be ours As will your platinum moons at 7-14 and 8-8
we are also looking to eject you from your ratting haven in m-y
Does anyone else enjoy it when people get a head of steam and end up revealing their true intentions?
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nat longshot
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi Thornne Lequemar > Vitoc 20mil good stuff time 3290 > Pax Amarria see the light come to your new god Thornne Lequemar > Vitoc 20mil each
I have suspected RE-AL to have Ammatar affiliations, now they freely admit it. I fully believe they are trying to maintain a foothold in GW in order to spread the influence of the Mandate and the Empire.
Then if thats what you think you better start checking peoples stands to the amarr my friend given iam kos in amarr space.
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gavin gor
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:07:00 -
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amarr -9 standing angel cartel -9 standing ammatar mandate -5 standing minmatar republic +7 standing thukker tribe +3 standing ex slave i support my minmatar brothers
-9Amarr and proud
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Koniforous
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:26:00 -
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Effective Standings
Minmatar Reupublic : +6.96 Thukker Tribe : +2.34
Amarr Empire : -7.69 Anmatar Mandate : -5.45
Mental Standing: Against Slavery, and The Empire!
"This is how it's done. When people are sitting on sh*t that you want, you make'em your enemy. Then you're justified in taking it."
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Forlorn Wongraven Edited by: Forlorn Wongraven on 08/11/2010 15:20:08
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk I'm still waiting for you or someone from U'K to make a definitive statement for or against the idea of freeing Minmatar slaves held by the Nation in the Stain region.
In recent attacks from the Nation in Minmatar highsec space we gathered immediately forces and defended our brothers, being the biggest entity in such events. The intel we are receiving over GalNet shows that these attacks will continue and with RE-AL being hostile to Thukker we might focus a little more on Great Wildlands and defending against Sansha surprise attacks nearby.
Thank you.
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:40:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Syyl'ara
Does anyone else enjoy it when people get a head of steam and end up revealing their true intentions?
You'll have to forgive Ratokus for being a little upset with these pricks. When they set us from neutral to KOS, their diplomats neglected to inform us and instead went and destroyed a rather nice ship of his while we believed they were still friendly. Needless to say, he was upset. Additionally, he does not speak for U'K, and neither do I, but we are free to express our opinions here.
- In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Thorvik on 08/11/2010 16:50:13 Thorvik sits on the flight deck of his Vagabond class Assault ship in E02 and laughs out loud at the pedantic BS being flung by the self appointed leaders of the Great Wildlands. I may be Sebiestor but was raised by the Thukkers. My nomadic lifestyle within UshraÆKhan fits my upbringing and now this Foundation failure is trying to tell us what we can and cannot do? That is not the Thukker way. If there is one thing that Thukkers can all agree on it is that no one tells us what to do, how to act or what to think. We are nomads and will fight for the right to be independent above anything else.
This statement here says it all:
Originally by: Nykitah
Nearly a month ago, these damn Goon-wannabes contacted us back when they were in Damu'Khonde, askin' for standings and **** like that. Apparently, these bastards heard about us already livin' there and operatin' NRDS and all that. So they wannabe all buddy-buddy. Didn't see nothin' wrong with that at first. Well, we talk... and talk some more... apparently, they ain't too happy about adoptin' a common list of standings.
We will not allow someone else to dictate standings of the Ushra'Khan Alliance. Pretty simple really. Nykitah just doesn't get it.
The Thukkers are dispersed through many regions in this and other space. We live the way we always have and each Tribal lays his own (and his tribeÆs) course. This includes standings. If you have not fired upon us then we will not fire upon you. That is NRDS. All this other huffinÆ and puffinÆ is for nought.
I find it humorous that Time 3290 says that we are docked in various places. Their docking games the other night saw RE-AL lose a Claymore, Blackbird , Scorpion, Drake, 2 Hurricanes and an Ares. The Claymore was especially fun as 5 other RE-AL ships stood on station and looked at 3 Vagabonds tear the command ship apart. There was no talk, just action and your action resulted in failure. RE-AL even had a Falcon undock and had us jammed until he docked again and down went the Drake he was protecting.
As any Thukker will tell you. Put up or shut up. We did come to the Great Wildlands to rest and recuperate for a bit and despite being NRDS we are forced to fight this former Foundation garbage that was left behind with they folded.
ItÆs time to take out the garbage.
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Ratokus
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:51:00 -
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Meh, a ship is a ship and is easily replaced. However, the Race traitors of RE-AL trying to sell vitoc and slaves on the local E02 bandwidths, and then spouting their distain for the ammarian empire in the summit, smacks of hipocrasy and is exactly what I have come to expect from the short time I have know our new "friends".
But you are right, the time for talk is over. We'll see you in space. I can sell you some not overly priced stront in GW, you'll be needing it.
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Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:01:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Nykitah on 08/11/2010 17:01:29 Ya mad or somethin'?
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time 3290
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:10:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ratokus Meh, a ship is a ship and is easily replaced. However, the Race traitors of RE-AL trying to sell vitoc and slaves on the local E02 bandwidths, and then spouting their distain for the ammarian empire in the summit, smacks of hipocrasy and is exactly what I have come to expect from the short time I have know our new "friends".
But you are right, the time for talk is over. We'll see you in space. I can sell you some not overly priced stront in GW, you'll be needing it.
I really hope so im sick off campping you in stations and your pos talk is easy so get all your blues and hell there alot and do somthing!!
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nykitah Edited by: Nykitah on 08/11/2010 17:01:29 Ya mad or somethin'?
Always, but that's just who I am. Thank you for giving me something to take it out on. Your tears have been delicious, Nuknuk. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:15:00 -
[68]
Republic Alliance: Least diplomatic diplomats since YC111
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SpynEs
Trannyz Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.08 18:15:00 -
[69]
Allow me to introduce myself i represent the rent is too damn high party
people working 8 hours a day and 40 hours a week and some a 3rd job
women cant afford to take care their children, feed their children breakfast, lunch and dinner
my main job is to provide a roof over your head, food on your table and money in your pocket
this is politics as usual, playing the silly game but this is not going to happen
the rent is too damn high movement - the people im here to represent
cant afford to pay their rent, they are being layed off right now as I speak
they cant eat breakfast, lunch or dinner
listen someones stomach churn child stomach just growled, did you hear it?
Gotta listen like me.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 21:21:00 -
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I was really looking forward to relaxing and taking a much needed rest after Provi, then hopefully starting another campaign against the 24IC. But like they say, need to play the cards you're dealt. |
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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
Originally by: Mad Murgan Edited by: Mad Murgan on 08/11/2010 06:50:41 um...Ms. Sinti... Could you please not insult my friends in such a vulger manner please. I know it's a lot to ask from someone who doesn't know what decorum is, but seriously, please try and be civil...
My dear, sweet Mr. Murgan. I'm so terribly sorry that my statements caused you so much stress. You are correct in that the *****, I'm sorry, I mean dear, sweet Victoria and I have a bit of a history.
In short, about six months ago, she was responsible for the murder of a fellow slave. This murder she not only freely admits to, but is rather proud of. Further, it is believed that the victim's cybernetics were then sold to the Nation, just prior to the start of the incursions which have cost millions of Matari lives. She is also guilty of many more atrocities.
If this is the kind of person you feel best represents U'K in their drive to "free" our "people" then that pretty much goes against everything that was mentioned in your mission statement at the beginning of this thread.
Oh and incidentially, I know you guys are new to U'K but do you think you could at least try not to sound like you're still in Star Fraction? that would add loads to your credibility.
As for the rest of your juvinile thread...
Here I am. Come free me.
You call yourself a slave, yet as far as I can see from a brief review your public account you are exactly where you chose to place yourself. You choose to call yourself a 'slave' when you have the ability to walk away at any moment. You compare yourself to victims while you enjoy the freedoms of being one of the elite.
You challenge us to "come free me", but whatever chains you pretend to wear are of your own making. You reinforce a heartfelt conviction of mine; our mission does not include any Capsuleer. No member of our elite breed can ever truly be enslaved, not like those bound to the mortal life we left behind.
Our goal is not to protect your business. Our goal is not to defend your investment or to protect one capsuleer from another. And it is certainly not to fix your anguished cry for help. If you are having difficulty adapting to your own immortality, I suggest you learn to live in healthier company.
The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation |
Victorick
High House Of Shadows Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:48:00 -
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I am but a simple pilot that stands torn by these words, a member of the Republic Alliance, and a former member of UshraÆKan. I have seen words with the passion UshraÆKan has strived to keep, echo out into the deep lonely corner of our star bound solar systems. I have seen that fire, yet it does not grace me this day.
Is it because I stand on the other side of the targeting systems? I think not. UshraÆKan has lost its fire, it has lost its passion, and all that made it the tyrant underdog that it once was. You have turned a blind eye to the greed that governs not just you, but all that you call friend. You speak words of freedom, yet through your actions I see none.
You have become Tibus Heth in Alliance form, hiding behind words of freedom to commit such acts of violence, caring not for whom you hurt or what you destroy.
You say this is no invasion? You dare claim you come in peace?
Your tongues have become as twisted as the priests you face, your guns are loaded with corruption, your words drown in greed and lies, your cause is nothing more than a banner soaked in blood.
I am disappointed UshraÆKan, we all are.
That is all.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:56:00 -
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Flowery words, but it was the egotistical powerbrokers in your alliance who engineered this conflict. Diplomats and leader unwilling to meet us half way, unwilling to show respect or courtesy to a potential ally, and at the root of it unwilling to risk their primacy among NRDS alliances in the region. By following the same rules of engagement as Republic Alliance yet without bowing to their every whim as the other NRDS groups in the area do we were a threat to their authority, whether that was our intention or not.
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Victorick
High House Of Shadows Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.08 23:59:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Borza Slavak Flowery words, but it was the egotistical powerbrokers in your alliance who engineered this conflict. Diplomats and leader unwilling to meet us half way, unwilling to show respect or courtesy to a potential ally, and at the root of it unwilling to risk their primacy among NRDS alliances in the region. By following the same rules of engagement as Republic Alliance yet without bowing to their every whim as the other NRDS groups in the area do we were a threat to their authority, whether that was our intention or not.
All of this is fact, I never claimed otherwise.
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.09 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Victorick
All of this is fact, I never claimed otherwise.
In that case you make a bunch of baseless accusations with nothing to back them up.
We will say that we came in peace, Victorick. As an alliance, we wanted no part in your little tussle with those you term pirates. Unfortunately, your leaders decided to force us to pick a side in the fight, and in so doing ensured that we would not be on yours. I'm sure that if we had elected to bow to your wishes and gone to fight -V-, you'd be singing a different song.
We came in peace. You insisted that we not find it here in Great Wildlands. Now you reap the war you sowed. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
Mei Tzu
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Posted - 2010.11.09 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mei Tzu on 09/11/2010 01:32:38
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.09 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Victorick ..... You say this is no invasion? You dare claim you come in peace?
I am disappointed UshraÆKan, we all are.
I am very amused by these two statements. You must know that this conflict is entirely manufactured by your diplomats? As a former U'K member you know that we do not allow anyone to dictate or standings. Your diplos have attempted to impose on us the requirement that if we wish RE-AL to be blue w/ U'K then we need to conform to their mini-CVA tactics. We are free men and practice true NRDS. Don't fire upon us and we will not fire upon you. No one dictates who we can and cannot engage.
We have come in peace yet your leadership have chosen to fire upon us first. So be it but do not stand there and whine about being disappointed in us.
Which brings me to the second statement. Do you really think we care whether or not you are disappointed in us? If you once truly embraced the warrior spirit of an Ushra'Khan pilot then you must know that we do what we think is right. Being popular has never been our goal.
The Great Wildlands is our home. Either live with us in peace or against us but know that we will not be subservient to your leadership for any amount of whining and lies you spread. Talk to your diplos, ask for the unaltered logs. We did not wish for this but will always defend our selves if fired upon. You should know this already.
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Victorick
High House Of Shadows Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.09 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Victorick on 09/11/2010 02:10:21 Allow me to address some of the replies I have received, as it seems many of you have made a mistake when reading my earlier reply.
First and for-most, I speak not as a member of Republic Alliance, as they are merely the bloated beast I shield myself under, and I find it amusing they actually have diplomats, as they seem to be better at forging war, then preventing it.
With that said, allow me to respond.
Quote: In that case you make a bunch of baseless accusations with nothing to back them up.
Baseless? No. I back all that I said before up with your actions, your words, your Alliance. With a little of my own opinion mixed in.
Quote: We will say that we came in peace, Victorick. As an alliance, we wanted no part in your little tussle with those you term pirates. Unfortunately, your leaders decided to force us to pick a side in the fight, and in so doing ensured that we would not be on yours. I'm sure that if we had elected to bow to your wishes and gone to fight -V-, you'd be singing a different song.
I agree, however I find it hard to believe that peace was what you really came for, the actions of my Alliance aside.
Quote: Now you reap the war you sowed.
I will not be reaping a single one of your pilots, as I feel it would be kicking a tyrant when he is down.
Quote: I am very amused by these two statements. You must know that this conflict is entirely manufactured by your diplomats?
I do.
Quote: As a former U'K member you know that we do not allow anyone to dictate our standings.
I do.
Quote: Your diplos have attempted to impose on us the requirement that if we wish RE-AL to be blue w/ U'K then we need to conform to their mini-CVA tactics.
Yes they did.
Quote: Which brings me to the second statement. Do you really think we care whether or not you are disappointed in us? If you once truly embraced the warrior spirit of an Ushra'Khan pilot then you must know that we do what we think is right. Being popular has never been our goal.
These words are the root of your problem, your eyes are as blind as the priests who throw themselves into 'gods' arms, finding only death. Ushra'Khan has fallen, maybe not the way I would of liked, but fallen nonetheless.
I leave this discussion now, as I grow tired of this banter, but I cannot help but leave you with this.
I once fought with warriors, true men and women of the sky. Those men and women have now left, and I wonder if any can truly take the place of the pilots who fought for freedom, not for blood.
I can only hope.
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CCP Jericho
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Posted - 2010.11.09 02:38:00 -
[79]
Trolling posts removed.
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Dave Daze
Minmatar Thor's Spite
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Posted - 2010.11.09 03:54:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Dave Daze on 09/11/2010 03:58:33 you guys sound like the Sansha with your 'We come for our people'
Originally by: Xious We are united, under one focus, with a singular goal. You may try to impede us, many have, some have succeded. But you will never stop us. Our goal is freedom for all.
For unity and freedom!
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.11.09 07:05:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Borza Slavak Republic Alliance: Least diplomatic diplomats since YC111
The best diplomats are the least diplomatic.
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Gullible
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.09 07:32:00 -
[82]
Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/11/2010 07:33:22
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Ushra'Khan has for years been following the path of freeing our brethren from slavery.
What the Ushra'Khan has been doing for years is brutally attacking vessels belonging to slavers with the effect of killing as many slaves as they rescue.
a) you havent been there
ergo you dont know. You just "believe" .. which seem to be symtomatic and a collective problem for your race.
proof:
b) if you had been there - you would be dead, and your slaves would be citicens of the minmatar republic and as free as yourself. Just with less obligations to please templepriests, monarcs, scripturess and a monotheistic god.
Maybe old foe - hwo has rarely crossed our, or other freedom fighters paths in the past years - you should stop relying on aralis, and garrecks propaganda?
This would do your own reputation good, and people might pay more attantion to your words, than to those of meaningless worms such as tarac.
recruiting -forum
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.11.09 07:50:00 -
[83]
Round em' up and give em' in UK.
GW sounds like the place to go if you want to meet idiots.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.09 08:50:00 -
[84]
Quote: Republic Alliance: Least diplomatic diplomats since YC111
When i was neutral to UK and UK was in one of their NRDS, except where we live, phases, i got shot by UK in low sec. Upon contacting your diplos i got some nice advice on different ways how to kill myself outside my pod. So i doubt Republic Alliance diplos are that bad.
Anyway, am i wrong with the following summary of events: UK decide to move to GW, announce it to everyone who wants to know, they just forget to inform the current inhabitants. These are NRDS, but got UK KOS (know that as a fact). They are nice enough to reset you, so peaceful cooperation is possible. You proceed to attack their friends and help their enemies, and you are surprised they set you back to KOS after you betrayed their trust? Quickly followed about a message that your goal is to take their moons.
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.09 09:24:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: Republic Alliance: Least diplomatic diplomats since YC111
When i was neutral to UK and UK was in one of their NRDS, except where we live, phases, i got shot by UK in low sec. Upon contacting your diplos i got some nice advice on different ways how to kill myself outside my pod. So i doubt Republic Alliance diplos are that bad.
Anyway, am i wrong with the following summary of events: UK decide to move to GW, announce it to everyone who wants to know, they just forget to inform the current inhabitants. These are NRDS, but got UK KOS (know that as a fact). They are nice enough to reset you, so peaceful cooperation is possible. You proceed to attack their friends and help their enemies, and you are surprised they set you back to KOS after you betrayed their trust? Quickly followed about a message that your goal is to take their moons.
In the higher command of U'K there is always a hidden agenda, never take what they say on Galnet a face value. Sad thing is the common members are so blind that they don't see it and blindly follow.
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time 3290
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:15:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Victorick I am but a simple pilot that stands torn by these words, a member of the Republic Alliance, and a former member of UshraÆKan. I have seen words with the passion UshraÆKan has strived to keep, echo out into the deep lonely corner of our star bound solar systems. I have seen that fire, yet it does not grace me this day.
Is it because I stand on the other side of the targeting systems? I think not. UshraÆKan has lost its fire, it has lost its passion, and all that made it the tyrant underdog that it once was. You have turned a blind eye to the greed that governs not just you, but all that you call friend. You speak words of freedom, yet through your actions I see none.
You have become Tibus Heth in Alliance form, hiding behind words of freedom to commit such acts of violence, caring not for whom you hurt or what you destroy.
You say this is no invasion? You dare claim you come in peace?
Your tongues have become as twisted as the priests you face, your guns are loaded with corruption, your words drown in greed and lies, your cause is nothing more than a banner soaked in blood.
I am disappointed UshraÆKan, we all are.
That is all.
The words are true but fall on death ears, U'K are blinded by there own lies and deception, They have lost respcect for all true role players, There weak. Ardishapur, Kador, Sarum, Kor-Azor,Tash-Murkon family will be calling back there slazes again!
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time 3290
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:27:00 -
[87]
oops slaves
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Astroyka
Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:28:00 -
[88]
Originally by: time 3290 The words are true but fall on deaf ears, U'K can see the lies and deception and we have lost respect for all people that are not free, we weak. Ardishapur, Kador, Sarum, Kor-Azor, Tash-Murkon family will be calling us again!
Fixed it for you.
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Atreu Tam
Minmatar Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:33:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: Republic Alliance: Least diplomatic diplomats since YC111
When i was neutral to UK and UK was in one of their NRDS, except where we live, phases, i got shot by UK in low sec. Upon contacting your diplos i got some nice advice on different ways how to kill myself outside my pod. So i doubt Republic Alliance diplos are that bad.
Anyway, am i wrong with the following summary of events: UK decide to move to GW, announce it to everyone who wants to know, they just forget to inform the current inhabitants. These are NRDS, but got UK KOS (know that as a fact). They are nice enough to reset you, so peaceful cooperation is possible. You proceed to attack their friends and help their enemies, and you are surprised they set you back to KOS after you betrayed their trust? Quickly followed about a message that your goal is to take their moons.
Yes that is quite and accurate summary. But its all for the best, we where getting rather bored with Veritas. Not holding my breath but hopefully UK can give us some nice scraps. :)
Im also glad to report that UK has started their campaign against our real and imaginary pos's, calling in their friends in Two Inch Terror(props for one of the best alliance names out there), who lo and behold lost a Nagelfar and killed nothing... That's the spirit guys, keep up the good work.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:36:00 -
[90]
Originally by: time 3290 They have lost respcect for all true role players
That is unfair, just last week i participated in roleplay with a gallente professional from deck sixteen in the quafestation in pator.
I dressed up like a farmer from istodard II, you know... with those fancy spikes on the gasplow panel. And the airfilter unit and this typical sidearm, which is more like a universal tool/survival kit.
She pretended to be a combat pilot commander leading a athmosphere glider squadron separated from her squad and crash landed on my fields...
What happenes next is nothing for public frequencies. But i certainly have not lost respect for roleplay or people doing it.
She was classy, and i will book her again.
recruiting -forum
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:42:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Anyway, am i wrong with the following summary of events: UK decide to move to GW, announce it to everyone who wants to know, they just forget to inform the current inhabitants. These are NRDS, but got UK KOS (know that as a fact). They are nice enough to reset you, so peaceful cooperation is possible. You proceed to attack their friends and help their enemies, and you are surprised they set you back to KOS after you betrayed their trust? Quickly followed about a message that your goal is to take their moons.
We were in contact with RE-AL diplomats prior to the announcement of the move. They apparently forgot to tell their membership however, woops? We set nobody red who didn't attack us first, including some friends of RE-AL - supposed NRDS groups - who then went crying to Republic Alliance when we retaliated. Delicious hypocrite tears. As for helping their enemies we simply failed to oppose them. A relevant distinction. We never had RE-AL's trust, they are paranoid of anyone unwilling to bow to their demands.
Well it looks like you summary of events is indeed wrong, but good effort.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.09 22:52:00 -
[92]
War over platinum moons? Lol. You can find similar moons just about anywhere. Personally I wouldn't waste my time on them. Ratokus just wants to break some Ammatar's toys.
Plus, hey, RE-AL started the conflict. Not that I'm complaining. Their leadership just felt threatened by our presence. But the fact is, we would be on campaign far away from them by now if they didn't get a giant hair up their butt.
Regardless, there are many threats to the freedom of the common people, we will continue to stand in defiance to them all. |
Altaen
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.10 03:32:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Furb Killer
Anyway, am i wrong with the following summary of events: UK decide to move to GW, announce it to everyone who wants to know, they just forget to inform the current inhabitants. These are NRDS, but got UK KOS (know that as a fact). They are nice enough to reset you, so peaceful cooperation is possible. You proceed to attack their friends and help their enemies, and you are surprised they set you back to KOS after you betrayed their trust? Quickly followed about a message that your goal is to take their moons.
We were in contact with RE-AL diplomats prior to the announcement of the move. They apparently forgot to tell their membership however, woops? We set nobody red who didn't attack us first, including some friends of RE-AL - supposed NRDS groups - who then went crying to Republic Alliance when we retaliated. Delicious hypocrite tears. As for helping their enemies we simply failed to oppose them. A relevant distinction. We never had RE-AL's trust, they are paranoid of anyone unwilling to bow to their demands.
Well it looks like you summary of events is indeed wrong, but good effort.
I really do wish RE-AL had adequate diplomats, or at least PR people of their own to convey this properly. Since they do not, they have found themselves fighting a pointless conflict, when there is much, much more important work to be done in the Great Wildlands.
The problem, Ushra'Khan, is that you have sided with known pirates. You, who claim to be champions of the Minmatar people, are entirely too lazy with your diplomacy and standings to think that there might be better qualifications for blues than "they won't shoot us, cool!"
I think what your former fellow pilot was expressing was that it's sad to see such a narrow view as to what it means to support the Minmatar people. I'll give you a hint It involves shooting scum like - V -, not setting them blue.
You, the bold Ushra'Khan, may care little for the Republic government...but many of our people live and work and try to safely raise families in the Republic. They are suffering and dying because of the very pirates you have decided are worthy to negotiate non-aggression pacts with.
But, the fault is not entirely your own. RE-AL has utterly failed at diplomacy and general pilot discipline here. Not only does it seem clear they weren't even mildly persuasive in attempting to make Ushra'Khan aware of their standings error, but in a great show of unprofessionalism, some of their pilots think it would be funny to smack in local about Vitoc and being slavers. Let me tell you, that's not funny.
What is funny, however, is U'K being childish enough to try to spin it into a legitimate reason to turn Minmatar opinion against RE-AL, and to make the ridiculous suggestion that RE-AL has any Amarr or Ammatar affiliation whatsoever.
This is absolutely pitiful. I have lost alot of respect for both organizations.
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Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.10 04:50:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Altaen
What is funny, however, is U'K being childish enough to try to spin it into a legitimate reason to turn Minmatar opinion against RE-AL, and to make the ridiculous suggestion that RE-AL has any Amarr or Ammatar affiliation whatsoever.
I'm no real fan of either group here. Everyone knows Ursha'khan works with pirates, but they do have a point here. Isn't RE-AL former Foundation alliance? The same Foundation that worked with CVA to kill a mothership? Who asked their pilots to not shoot the Amarr block on a few occasions? Didn't they also get caught transporting supplies to CVA held Providence? I recall some stink about that years ago.
Minmatar have a thing with fighting amongst themselves, I'm sure they will work it out eventually after a bit of explosions. |
Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.11.10 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nykitah on 10/11/2010 06:03:01 Mwahahahaa! 'Tis why the Electus Matari pilots get ****in' respect! Ha! Well, **** man... way to stick it to us and 'em!
Ain't no lie that we ain't got any respect for them Kunts and that ain't gonna change, mate. They blew their damn chance after spittin' in our face and disregardin' all of the warnin' we sent'em after we found out they went about bluein' most of our hostiles, includin' -V-. ****, did the same to us back as Foundati0n and shot at us while we were still freakin' blue.
See, like I told ya'll before, we at RE-AL did bend some rules for UNITY during our talks, sayin' their free to engage neutrals that have Amarr ties with'em.
But hats off to ya and yer Electus Matari comrades, mate.
Call us if ya got another tower assault or defense goin'.
Without them ****in' spatial anomalies please.
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Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.11.10 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nykitah on 10/11/2010 06:25:33 Shortly after the Ushra'Khan speech is broadcasted all across the regions, a new signal would flicker to life across the same channels - with a picture of a gruff looking Brutor with some rather interesting genetic modifications, looking right into the fuzzy camera.
I hope this ****in' thing works, old piece of garbage. Alright... I'm sure that ya'll have just finished pukin' after listenin' to that Ushra'Kunt preachin' about freedoms this and freedoms that.
Ain't havin' none of that crap, those damn ****ers are so full of crap that it stopped bein' funny awhile ago. Lemme give ya'll the behind the scenes crap...
Nearly a month ago, these damn Goon-wannabes contacted us back when they were in Damu'Khonde, askin' for standings and **** like that. Apparently, these bastards heard about us already livin' there and operatin' NRDS and all that. So they wannabe all buddy-buddy. Didn't see nothin' wrong with that at first. Well, we talk... and talk some more... apparently, they ain't too happy about adoptin' a common list of standings.
So it ends on this... they be sayin' that in the end, we'd have the same list anyway... somethin' like ninety-five percent or some ****, claimin' that only the Amarrian-loyalists are to be shot on sight.
A pause as the Brutor takes a moment to take out a tobacco stick to light and take a long drag of it, blowing the smoke out of both nostrils.
Now, a lotta of ya are prolly wonderin' who the **** I am anyway... or how the **** I'd know about what Ushra'Kunt are doin' in the Wildlands. Well, ain't a lot of capsuleers know or care to admit this but the Great Wildlands are already home to an NRDS alliance. Hell, even an NRDS coalition! Been livin' here since the old Foundati0n alliance, fightin' to keep the area free for new corps or alliances wantin' a taste of zero-sec without being harassed by pirates.
Normally, we don't go lettin' others shootin' neutrals in our home so our allies adapt our list to fight by and it works 'cuz we're all NRDS group fightin' for the same thing.
It don't take a ****in' genius to figure out that for NRDS groups to work, they need to share standings and have common enemies. Ushra'Kunt didn' seem to think so... so they moved right in, lifted the blanket and offered every damn movin' thing in the region to hop into bed with'em! Ain't even a week gone by before we get word that these ****ers are flyin' with our reds in their gangs and shootin' our other allies. Even after we gave them the damn curtesy of lookin' away in-case they go around shootin' some damn Amarrians that wander into our space that are still neutral to us.
The cig goes flying off the screen as the Brutor finishes it.
Bastards start cryin' about enclosurism and **** like that when we take'em up on the **** they've been causin' us and had the balls to claim they gonna stay out of any blue on blue fights - ****in' lost a good Cyclone when they defended one o' the local pirates we fight.
Final damn straw came when they decided to invite our arch-enemies into their giant orgy of pirates, so we set'em red and send a couple o' mails to their ****-talkin' diplomats about it. Course that don't matter much 'cuz they still come cryin' about us startin' it all... prolly gonna see more of that soon...
Any-****in'-way...there ya have it! Dunno if any of ya care but I had enough of them preachin' their crap in my local channels.
The Brutor would smirk at the camera though.
Don't really matter either though... they ain't the first to come to the Wildlands and try to screw with our business.
Certainly ain't the last either.
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(OOC: Please don't remove on-topic posts CCP Jericho.)
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 08:27:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Nykitah [ See, like I told ya'll before, we at RE-AL did bend some rules for UNITY during our talks, sayin' their free to engage neutrals that have Amarr ties with'em.
So you consider 'allowing' us to attack people we have red a generous concession? I think that illustrates part of the problem very clearly, thanks. And you are rewriting history and your positions, as you continued to do at every step of diplomatic contact between our alliances.
Quote: Nykitah: If someone chooses to fly in our home and settle there without bothering those that do not bother them, we have quarrels with them.
Quote: Nykitah: You want to live in the Wildlands and be NRDS with a different list of standings than our own - you're pretty much challenging our hold over it
Altaen we are friendly with some capsuleer 'pirate' organisations. They attack capsuleers, not baseline matari, ship crews aside - they know what they sign on for. We aren't allied with Angels or Serpentis here...
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.10 09:57:00 -
[98]
Quote: So you consider 'allowing' us to attack people we have red a generous concession? I think that illustrates part of the problem very clearly, thanks.
Honestly i think it is an enormous and over the top concession to 'allow' you to shoot their friends when they got amarr ties. You know NRDS people (the real ones, not the joke UK made of it) dont see neutrals as easy targets, but as potential friends. If they allow you to shoot those potential friends and you dont see that as a generous concession, i think that illustrates part of the problem very clearly.
While having my differences with UK, i truly hoped that them leaving providence could mean that would restore some of their former glory, but it does not look like that will be happening any time soon. |
Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.10 10:04:00 -
[99]
Ushra'Khan is clearly acting with renewed energy and enthusiasm after moving out of Providence. It seems apparent that if U'K doesn't have any truly NRDS groups to attack and pirate upon, they succumb to boredom and stagnation. Clearly U'K is nothing but a pirate group in disguise (how poor that disguise may even be).
All this "we come for our people"-jibberish, is just an excuse for causing trouble, apparently. Quite honestly, I started out my career in capsuleering trying to see U'K as for what they claim to be; freedom fighters with a good cause. But over time it has come apparent that they are not. All they want is to kill and make trouble, as stated in some of the posts made by members of their own organization. Any organization that is truly NRDS and tries to stay on the friendly terms with the 4 major empires will quickly find themselves to be enemies of the Ushra'Khan. The real enemy is out there. As far as I am concerned he is called "piracy and NBSI", the policy that kills before asking questions. This is the cause around which we all should unite, to fight and finish off this intelligence-liberated killing menace.
Ushra'Khan speaks and speaks and talks and talks. They're good at that. But in the end, lets keep it simple - it comes down to actions, not words. If you want to know what kind of organization U'K truly is, take a look at who their "friends" are and who they fly with, and then who they fight against. Having good relations with a number of NBSI alliances and then the recent quarrel with Republic Alliance, a legit NRDS organization with an admirable history, as far as I am concerned. Well, it is a sad thing that U'K manages to make enemies of such good organizations, and only shows to their true nature. In the end, they're nothing but terrorists and pirates, being just as NBSI as your average next door pirate alliance.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 10:22:00 -
[100]
Sorry, all I hear is 'rabblerabblestandingsenclosurismNRDSrabblerabble'.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.10 10:24:00 -
[101]
All I could clearly make out of your post was NRDS. Good. You should try and get back to it. |
Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 10:33:00 -
[102]
And you, like most standings enclosurists, should stop telling others how to live their lives. Where we are NRDS we do so with standings of our own choosing, a right available to all capsuleer organisations should they choose to exercise it.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.10 10:37:00 -
[103]
When you chose a path of life that obviously means the death of others who are innocent, then noone should passively stand by and look. No sir, you are dangerous, both to yourself and others. You are the one that transgresses the borders of decency with your vile howling for more blood. You're the one that should be silenced. |
Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 10:43:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Codo Yagari When you chose a path of life that obviously means the death of others who are innocent, then noone should passively stand by and look. No sir, you are dangerous, both to yourself and others. You are the one that transgresses the borders of decency with your vile howling for more blood. You're the one that should be silenced.
Oh please, as if capsuleers and their crews are ever "innocent".
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.10 10:57:00 -
[105]
You, have obviously lost your faith.
Tell me, if we are not talking in order to find constructive solutions together, for what is the purpose of this summit?
Maybe you should take some time to reconsider your role here, and perhaps even your chosen path of life altogether. |
Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:00:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 11:00:17 Hrmm all I see is 4 pages of people saying U'K are bullys and U'k deneying it is this right?
If so for F*cks sake grow up and sort it out in space.
IGS has enough S*it on it without needing more.
Also has U'k leadership stopped smoking whatever they was smoking last time I had to deal with them yet?
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:07:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Dame Death
If so for F*cks sake grow up and sort it out in space.
Oh we're doing that too.
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:09:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 11:09:56
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Dame Death
If so for F*cks sake grow up and sort it out in space.
Oh we're doing that too.
Then stop F*cking b*tching on IGS. And funny as I've been in gw for near on a week and havent seen a single U'K
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:17:00 -
[109]
As if you're innocent when it comes to pointless drama And we're there all right.
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:18:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 11:18:23
Originally by: Borza Slavak As if you're innocent when it comes to pointless drama And we're there all right.
Never said I was I just back it up in space :P
And if you are telling the truth and are there it seems youve found a way to even cloak yourselfs from local. please share
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Vinndel
Gallente High House Of Shadows Republic Alliance
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All I see here is a collective **** up by both sides. I have lost a great deal of respect for both sides. It saddens me that this couldn't be worked peacefully.
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Wotlankor
Intercision Ushra'Khan
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Originally by: Codo Yagari Incoherent stuff
As my enemy Rodj points out your view of the universe is out of tact with the rest:
You are incoherant and your argumentation stems from perceptions without touch in realities. Your world is made of capsuleers and capsuleers alone. Our world takes into account that a NRDS entity can have opposite views and therfore cannot co-exist. We must fight other NRDS entities when these capsuleer driven entities tries force our hands or even worse, force the hands of others in worst case force the hands of slaves. NBSI is not inherient evil and niether is NRDS inherient good.
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wotlankor NBSI is not inherient evil.
Finally something I can agree with
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.10 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dame Death
Also has U'k leadership stopped smoking whatever they was smoking last time I had to deal with them yet?
Nope. Its pretty strong stuff.
OOC: oooo e-drama everywhere and the generic "their mad" statement etc etc.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Originally by: Wotlankor You are incoherant and your argumentation stems from perceptions without touch in realities. Your world is made of capsuleers and capsuleers alone. Our world takes into account that a NRDS entity can have opposite views and therfore cannot co-exist. We must fight other NRDS entities when these capsuleer driven entities tries force our hands or even worse, force the hands of others in worst case force the hands of slaves. NBSI is not inherient evil and niether is NRDS inherient good.
NRDS means you do not want to kill the innocent. NBSI means you dont care if you kill the innocent. This is one of the most fundamental standpoints one can take in this universe, either you chose to be responsible and only kill those you view your enemies (NRDS), or you are willing to kill anyone except those you view as your friends in order to accomplish your goal (NBSI). I think many need to realize this, that NRDS and NBSI are very fundamental philosophical and moral choises.
Sure, those that practise NRDS may have different goals, but I beg to differ that their goals are FUNDAMENTALLY different. Because the NRDS groups are based on having a conscience those differences can be overcome, with time, and effort. NRDS will always be seen as a more humanitarian and selfless approach than NBSI, and this is where the truly NRDS groups have something in common. When you take the step over to NBSI, you also take the step over to the side where it no longer matters to you if neutrals are killed. New Eden is a big place, and you should do wisely to take responsibility for your actions.
When you no longer care for the independent neutral capsuleer of New Eden, that is when you are no longer innocent yourself. You really should stop taking the killing of others so lightly. Im going to make it simple: Do you care (NRDS)? Or not (NBSI)? Its nothing less than "good or evil". |
Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 14:21:50 Codo noone that flys a combat ship is inocent, at all.
When I fly in capsuleer combat even when I'm nbsi (I make no comment on my current RoE) I kill less per hour then a agent runner does (most of who are NRDS). So whoes the greater villan the NBSi Capsuleer combat pilot who kills maybe 10k a day or the NRDS Agent runner who kills 100K+ a hour? Not to mention the NRDS Agent runner probally does it for purley isk whereas the NBSi Capsuleer combat pilot probally does it for other reasons such as defending their wing men
If your gonna agrue for NRDS use a better line then that.
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Codo Yagari
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Posted - 2010.11.10 14:26:00 -
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Well, personally, when (rarely) that I run missions, I never do it against anyone of the empires (NRDS Factiomns), but happily against Sanshas etc (NBSI factions). So I dont see any weakness in my line at all tbh.
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 14:53:05
Originally by: Codo Yagari I never do it against anyone of the empires (NRDS Factiomns),
I call Bullsh*t judging by your republic standings at least what I remember them being.
And still doesnt answer my question
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.11.10 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Codo Yagari Any organization that is truly NRDS and tries to stay on the friendly terms with the 4 major empires will quickly find themselves to be enemies of the Ushra'Khan. The real enemy is out there. As far as I am concerned he is called "piracy and NBSI", the policy that kills before asking questions. This is the cause around which we all should unite, to fight and finish off this intelligence-liberated killing menace.
I have been watching your broadcasts for a while now pilot Yagari and I note you still haven't replied to the question I asked you on your "NRDS Coalition" thread some months ago.
Still that aside.
NRDS is a rule of engagement. NBSI is a rule of engagement.
Neither are of themselves political philosophies (though they can certainly inform on the prevailing political tendency of the organization practising the specific ROE)
NRDS used to underpin the outlook of an open-minded freedom loving corporation or alliance is great. NRDS used to focus energies against paid targets of a merc corp is effective. NRDS used to build up a region-wide standings enclosurist coalition is oppressive.
NBSI used to make all neutrals targets on the assumption they collaborate with an oppressive centrist power is understandable (but in my view counterproductive) NBSI used to provide "more targets" for a combat corp is also understandable (but lazy, and leads to sloppy combat focus) NBSI used because diplomacy is "too hard" in NRDS is simply an admission of organizational failure in the acceptance of political irrelevance on the frontier.
But the issue of divisions between NRDS entities is what you always forget pilot Yagari; there is easily as much divide between NRDS (independent freespace) and NRDS (standings enclosurist) regimes as ever there is between progressive and least-regressive NRDS/NBSI strands.
Your "total" NRDS coalition is simply aping the standings-enclosurist cultural imperialism of the CVA-era Providence. Where a single governing entity gets to maintain a red list to which all parts of the coalition must adhere. There is no functional difference in this to an NBSI coalition having a blue list in common with its member parts and everyone else a target. In both cases you are telling 3rd party corporations and alliances they must subordinate their standings lists to your pleasure or face being made a target yourself.
I understand why you prefer to make this about NRDSvsNBSI but it would be more honest to accept there is a second level of clause in the categorization of entities without which the classification has no real meaning.
NRDS NBSI FREESPACE ENCLOSURIST
Thus SF (and it appears UK in wildlands) are NRDS/FREESPACE whereas Republic and it appears "total NRDS coalition" would be NRDS/ENCLOSURIST with the point of contention betweeen these arguments being whether it is progressive to enforce a dominant standings region on 3rd party entities.
You believe that you are in your rights to tell 3rd parties that they "may or may not have positive standings with x,y,z external party."
We (SF+UK in this case) believe that you cannot stand for freedom while telling 3rd parties how to conduct their diplomacy and enforcing their standings.
You believe that crimes of piracy and NBSI violence are so terrible that capsuleers should give up some of their freedom in setting standings and conducting diplomacy as sovereign individuals "for the greater good".
We believe, that once you start giving up some of your freedom to a supreme executive coalition power its a slippery slope and the demands of the government will inevitably become louder and heavier with time and gravitational momentum.
And that is the real argument here pilot Yagari. It is not between NSBI and NRDS but in whether one employs NRDS progresively or for regressive imperialist motive.
And I believe you are an imperialist at heart.
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Dunno where ya got that stuff, Jade but down in the Wildlands, we ain't forcin' anyone to apply our standings to themselves.
A neutral alliance or corp get a choice - they can accept our standings and work together with us and our local allies or they don't gotta apply our standings and they can remain neutral. We don't care, they can live in the Wildlands if they wanna.
What we do got a problem with is if ya gonna start workin' with our enemies right infront of us 'cuz I gotta say, yer gonna get called a ****in' hypocrite if ya cry for others to stand for freedom and **** while shootin' anyone part of a CVA fleet just 'cuz they were in a CVA fleet or defend CVA pilots that might've been in their fleet.
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Edited by: Thorvik on 10/11/2010 16:37:29
Originally by: Pablos Locos
à. Isn't RE-AL former Foundation alliance? The same Foundation that worked with CVA to kill a mothership? Who asked their pilots to not shoot the Amarr block on a few occasions? Didn't they also get caught transporting supplies to CVA held Providence? I recall some stink about that years ago.
Yes. In fact Darling Nykitah is a former member of Ghosts of Ragnarok [XGORX] a member of Foundation since 2007 and now a member of the TEST Alliance Please Ignore [TEST] . If we are going to start flinging accusations based on relationships vis-a-vis UÆK and ûV- then perhaps we should examine the ulterior motives of this Capsuleer?
NykitahÆs ass kissing EM doesnÆt surprise me much as he is known as a race traitor and wishes only to sow conflict in this area. Trying to become friendly to EM is just a game that EM will tire of if they arenÆt already.
With regards to this whole idea of NRDS; I think itÆs laughable that everyone seems to want to tell us what to do. As Dame Death quite rightly pointed out, there are no ôInnocentö Capsuleers. This is a moral judgement and one which is entirely subjective based on where one person chooses to place his or her moral ground. We make no such judgements of people. NRDS is a truly simple. Not Red DonÆt Shoot. We take this as it stands. You are neutral (note IÆm not saying innocent) unless you decide to fire upon us. Then you are red.
We are happy to allow people to ply their trade in the Great Wildlands as they have prior to us arriving without any interference from us. We have been called pirates before. Granted this has been primarily from Amarr allied corporations or alliances as we are indeed NBSI in Amarr territory. EM claiming we are pirates has happened from time to time but we seem to agree to disagree on that point.
We had tried to ally ourselves with everyone in GW when we arrived. The idea was good, if not a bit naive. We should have known that Capsuleers such as Nykitah would have a chip on their shoulder and try to bully us into living a CVA like servitude within this region. We do not wish to live here in our homeland as indentured servants to ****ants like Nykitah.
Originally by: Jade Constantine à. Talk that hits the nail squarely on the head. à Quote:
As Dame said: Originally by: Dame Death à for F*cks sake grow up and sort it out in space.
WeÆll see you in space and watch you run again and again. Your loldrake fleets will surely make us tremble in our pods but we may just get over it.
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nykitah ... we ain't forcin' anyone to apply our standings to themselves.
What we do got a problem with is if ya gonna start workin' with our enemies right infront of us 'cuz I gotta say, yer gonna get called a ****in' hypocrite if ya cry for others to stand for freedom and **** while shootin' anyone part of a CVA fleet just 'cuz they were in a CVA fleet or defend CVA pilots that might've been in their fleet.
In the first sentence you say you do not force people to apply the same standings as you and in the following statements you have a problem with organizations shooting at people that are blue to you.
Interesting. So if they have fired upon us and made themselves red to us we will not be able to shoot them because they are blue to you?
Sounds like you are trying to dictate who we may and may not shoot at.
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Hey, if we're judging 30 minutes of Corp history mate, wouldn't wanna be in an Alliance whose diplomat was part of PIE Inc. yet claims to be fightin' for the Matari.
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nykitah Hey, if we're judging 30 minutes of Corp history mate, wouldn't wanna be in an Alliance whose diplomat was part of PIE Inc. yet claims to be fightin' for the Matari.
There is where we differ. We don't take the moral high ground. We have individual Capsuleers in our alliance that were once slavers and even some that were pirates. They have seen the error of their ways and are now fighting for the cause of freedom. We give everyone a second, and even a third chance to show us that they have changed. We knew coming into GW that elements within RE-AL were once FND but we chose still to try and work it out with you. You showed us that you canÆt be trusted. We are willing to give you another chance but as the old saying goes.
Quote: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Ugleb
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Altaen
I really do wish RE-AL had adequate diplomats, or at least PR people of their own to convey this properly. Since they do not, they have found themselves fighting a pointless conflict, when there is much, much more important work to be done in the Great Wildlands.
The problem, Ushra'Khan, is that you have sided with known pirates. You, who claim to be champions of the Minmatar people, are entirely too lazy with your diplomacy and standings to think that there might be better qualifications for blues than "they won't shoot us, cool!"
(Come to think of it, RE-AL has also become quite lazy in this regard...but I'll leave that talk to a diplomat.)
I think what Victorick was trying to express is that it's sad to see such a narrow view as to what it means to support the Minmatar people. I'll give you a hint It involves shooting scum like - V -, not setting them blue.
You, the bold Ushra'Khan, may care little for the Republic government...but many of our people live and work and try to safely raise families in the Republic. They are suffering and dying because of the very pirates you have decided are worthy to negotiate non-aggression pacts with.
But, the fault is not entirely your own. RE-AL has utterly failed at diplomacy and general pilot discipline here. Not only does it seem clear they weren't even mildly persuasive in attempting to make Ushra'Khan aware of their standings error, but in a great show of unprofessionalism, some of their pilots think it would be funny to smack in local about Vitoc and being slavers. Let me tell you, that's not funny.
What is funny, however, is U'K being childish enough to try to spin it into a legitimate reason to turn Minmatar opinion against RE-AL, and to make the ridiculous suggestion that RE-AL has any Amarr or Ammatar affiliation whatsoever.
This is absolutely pitiful. I have lost alot of respect for both organizations.
We have been through this before, and doubtless will again. I would have hoped that the opening statement of this discussion would have highlighted our priorities.
We are not an anti-piracy organisation. We are an anti-slavery organisation. We choose to focus on the greater evil of this world, and cannot afford the distraction of attempting to extinguish the lesser one.
It will take more resources than we alone have to overcome the practice of slavery, we cannot also be the enforcers of 'law and order', by whatever standard you care to define it.
Yes, we have in the past worked alongside so-called capsuleer pirates. In fact, the defence of Unity Station against the rising Amarrian Providence was a rogues gallery of 'pirate' organisations working together to resist the spread of Imperialism, for a time successfully. We fight alongside those with whom we find common cause, even if only for a time.
But today we are talking about -V- aren't we? Are you aware that they are 'blue' to member corps of the Tribal Liberation Force? And yes, not to others. But that same statement applies equally to Republic Alliance, blue to some, red to others. Confusing, isn't it?
I think that you will find the reality is not as black and white as some would like to paint it. In my experience we live surrounded by dirty, murky waters, and some of us are prepared to descend into it if that means we come just a few steps closer to furthering our cause. Keeping your boots clean is nice, but there's only so much you can do standing on the high and dry ground.
We need to do more.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.10 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine We (SF+UK in this case) believe that you cannot stand for freedom while telling 3rd parties how to conduct their diplomacy and enforcing their standings.
Ushra'Khan sets groups red for working with CVA, for obvious reasons. They do tell others how to conduct their diplomacy, and that is good.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Jade Constantine We (SF+UK in this case) believe that you cannot stand for freedom while telling 3rd parties how to conduct their diplomacy and enforcing their standings.
Ushra'Khan sets groups red for working with CVA, for obvious reasons. They do tell others how to conduct their diplomacy, and that is good.
No, there is a distinction to be made here. We set groups red who co-operate with our slavers because that makes them our enemies. We don't tell people who should be their friends, we react to their choices.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Originally by: Nykitah
A neutral alliance or corp get a choice - they can accept our standings and work together with us and our local allies or they don't gotta apply our standings and they can remain neutral. We don't care, they can live in the Wildlands if they wanna.
Oh?
Nykitah > You want to live in the Wildlands and be NRDS with a different list of standings than our own - you're pretty much challenging our hold over it mate. >.>
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Aria Jenneth
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Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Arkady Sadik Ushra'Khan sets groups red for working with CVA, for obvious reasons. They do tell others how to conduct their diplomacy, and that is good.
No, there is a distinction to be made here. We set groups red who co-operate with our slavers because that makes them our enemies. We don't tell people who should be their friends, we react to their choices.
Of course, if you tell them (or otherwise broadcast) what your reactions will be, the distinction between stating what actions will have negative consequences and "telling" becomes pretty fine, doesn't it?
So fine, I'd suggest, as to be fictitious.
Then again, Ethan Verone and I got into quite the little dispute a while back over an identical "distinction," so maybe reasonable minds can differ.
Maybe.
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 10/11/2010 21:18:14
Originally by: Thorvik We don't take the moral high ground.
You guys always demand the moral high ground!
Nearly every other post from a U'K member goes on and on about how it is the moral imperative of your organization that excuses everything else. It seems like anyone U'K ever shoots was the cousin of a next-door-neighbor of someone who was marginally involved in a business deal with someone who sat next to a slaver at a symphony 5 years ago or something.
Did you even read how your corp-mate opened the discussion with a chest-thumping list of the accomplishments of all your moral crusading?
Originally by: Aria Jenneth So maybe reasonable minds can differ.
Maybe.
We could test that theory if only there were reasonable minds to observe on this issue.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.10 21:39:00 -
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There is more than one moral high-ground. We follow our moral imperative of opposing slavery as best we can, but will readily admit we do things other see morally questionable in order to do so.
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Originally by: Altaen Edited by: Altaen on 10/11/2010 03:39:17
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Furb Killer
Anyway, am i wrong with the following summary of events: UK decide to move to GW, announce it to everyone who wants to know, they just forget to inform the current inhabitants. These are NRDS, but got UK KOS (knowthat as a fact). They are nice enough to reset you, so peaceful cooperation is possible. You proceed to attack their friends and help their enemies, and you are surprised they set you back to KOS after you betrayed their trust? Quickly followed about a message that your goal is to take their moons.
We were in contact with RE-AL diplomats prior to the announcement of the move. They apparently forgot to tell their membership however, woops? We set nobody red who didn't attack us first, including some friends of RE-AL - supposed NRDS groups - who then went crying to Republic Alliance when we retaliated. Delicious hypocrite tears. As for helping their enemies we simply failed to oppose them. A relevant distinction. We never had RE-AL's trust, they are paranoid of anyone unwilling to bow to their demands.
Well it looks like you summary of events is indeed wrong, but good effort.
I really do wish RE-AL had adequate diplomats, or at least PR people of their own to convey this properly. Since they do not, they have found themselves fighting a pointless conflict, when there is much, much more important work to be done in the Great Wildlands.
The problem, Ushra'Khan, is that you have sided with known pirates. You, who claim to be champions of the Minmatar people, are entirely too lazy with your diplomacy and standings to think that there might be better qualifications for blues than "they won't shoot us, cool!"
(Come to think of it, RE-AL has also become quite lazy in this regard...but I'll leave that talk to a diplomat.)
I think what Victorick was trying to express is that it's sad to see such a narrow view as to what it means to support the Minmatar people. I'll give you a hint It involves shooting scum like - V -, not setting them blue.
You, the bold Ushra'Khan, may care little for the Republic government...but many of our people live and work and try to safely raise families in the Republic. They are suffering and dying because of the very pirates you have decided are worthy to negotiate non-aggression pacts with.
But, the fault is not entirely your own. RE-AL has utterly failed at diplomacy and general pilot discipline here. Not only does it seem clear they weren't even mildly persuasive in attempting to make Ushra'Khan aware of their standings error, but in a great show of unprofessionalism, some of their pilots think it would be funny to smack in local about Vitoc and being slavers. Let me tell you, that's not funny.
What is funny, however, is U'K being childish enough to try to spin it into a legitimate reason to turn Minmatar opinion against RE-AL, and to make the ridiculous suggestion that RE-AL has any Amarr or Ammatar affiliation whatsoever.
This is absolutely pitiful. I have lost alot of respect for both organizations.
I have lost alot of respect for both organizations. That makes to of us, Let me help you out here
http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6820208 this was the first fight and in the secound fight to stop them taking your pos down http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6838449 This was way out of our time zone but got a 40 man fleet there to help! respect has also gone from EM
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.10 23:28:00 -
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standings and old grudges are tricky business.
If I compare -V- / RE-AL relationship, it is my understanding that there is alot of bad blood, with UNITY / CVA relationship, this mess makes sense to me.
In a years time we will know who was the stronger of us, so no need to argue about it now.
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Altaen
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Edited by: Altaen on 11/11/2010 00:38:43
Originally by: time 3290
I have lost alot of respect for both organizations. That makes to of us, Let me help you out here
http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6820208 this was the first fight and in the secound fight to stop them taking your pos down http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6838449 This was way out of our time zone but got a 40 man fleet there to help! respect has also gone from EM
I think you are getting a little overly sensitive here. Don't you see that I'm upset because we're allies?
You must understand that: a) I speak for myself, not my alliance b) even if I don't personally like how this was handled, by either RE-AL or U'K, doesn't mean it isn't clear who is against piracy in my Republic (RE-AL) and who is aligning with pirates (U'K).
So how is it exactly that my words have caused you to lose respect for Electus Matari?
I have my priorities in order, believe me. The problem, and the root of my post, is that no one from RE-AL seems to have been able to clearly communicate (to whoever the hell might be paying attention) that you all are obviously not Ammatar, nor has anyone been able to communicate that U'K has sided with and is now flying with most of the major pirate organizations that have been plying their violent trade throughout both GW and Molden Heath. My voice may be the only voice here that is portraying RE-AL's position in this conflict in a positive way. So I took a few jabs at the fact that your PR and diplomacy has been a bit of a disaster...and at the fact that your pilots are talking about selling slaves and Vitoc in local (seriously, are you going to tell me that's not messed up?). I think once the emotional reaction to this public forum calms down somewhat, you'll read my words for what they are: disappointment that a couple of blues are fighting eachother instead of banding together against the numerous criminals they should be shooting.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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You can cut through 90% of the rubbish in this thread with a factual razor, the remaining 10% is just differences of opinion.
1) RE-AL set U'K red, not the other way around. And they did that with no notice mind you, lacking even the courtesy a Goon might have granted us back in the day. 2) U'K always has and always will maintain its right to determine its standings as it sees fit. The fact U'K is NRDS in the Great Wildlands is a good sign of her intentions there. 3) The Great Wildlands is Thukker space, not RE-AL space, not U'K space, Thukker space. U'K have as much right to be there as anyone else who can dock.
That's the facts of the matter from where I sit.
Facts aside, this was to be expected.
RE-AL are no more lovers of freedom than their previous alliance FDN. They are isk-miners dressed up in republican finery. I'll never forget catching two FDN haulers in YWS0 laden with war supplies headed to CVA held 9UY. War supplies hauled in to profit on the slavers market. I'll never forget the diplomatic storm they tried to create after I vented their traitorous arses to space, and how quick they were to label me pirate and set U'K red over it.
Anyway, recollections of a pirate aside, I suspect that U'K diplomats would still be willing to talk peace should RE-AL be able to find someone capable of discussion to represent them. I say 'suspect' as this lone-ranger doesn't pay that much attention to the details anymore.
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Off-topic posts removed.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 11/11/2010 07:34:51
Originally by: Karn Mithralia You can cut through 90% of the rubbish in this thread with a factual razor, the remaining 10% is just differences of opinion.
..."the church is brought back into the village center", if i may quote an old amarrian priest. Maybe we get to see something new,exciting, fact based and so far unsaid content in return.
I am a optimist at heart. ...on every odd weekday.
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia You can cut through 90% of the rubbish in this thread with a factual razor, the remaining 10% is just differences of opinion.
1) RE-AL set U'K red, not the other way around. And they did that with no notice mind you, lacking even the courtesy a Goon might have granted us back in the day. 2) U'K always has and always will maintain its right to determine its standings as it sees fit. The fact U'K is NRDS in the Great Wildlands is a good sign of her intentions there. 3) The Great Wildlands is Thukker space, not RE-AL space, not U'K space, Thukker space. U'K have as much right to be there as anyone else who can dock.
That's the facts of the matter from where I sit.
Facts aside, this was to be expected.
RE-AL are no more lovers of freedom than their previous alliance FDN. They are isk-miners dressed up in republican finery. I'll never forget catching two FDN haulers in YWS0 laden with war supplies headed to CVA held 9UY. War supplies hauled in to profit on the slavers market. I'll never forget the diplomatic storm they tried to create after I vented their traitorous arses to space, and how quick they were to label me pirate and set U'K red over it.
Anyway, recollections of a pirate aside, I suspect that U'K diplomats would still be willing to talk peace should RE-AL be able to find someone capable of discussion to represent them. I say 'suspect' as this lone-ranger doesn't pay that much attention to the details anymore.
Yes we did set U'k red first they opend fire on a RE-AL fleet http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7917025
We was both blue and they attack us for what they said we attack one of there fleet members who was a member of Thukker Tribe Mercebaries who was sat on a gate on his own and is RED to RE-AL and has been for a very long time, for all you guys who like to look a facts look when Thukker Tribe was made funny they made an ally called that the same time U'K said there coming to GW to help you out here is them before the made this sad alliance http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7809069 13-10-2010 oh......
But this is not why you was set red you was set red for setting most of the NBSI alliances in GW blue but the best one was you set -V- blue without telling us trying to play both sides is fine if thats what you like to do...
I keep on seeing we set you red without telling you!!! mails was sent and you was told in local but the best part is 10 mins after we set you red a U'K Loki started to attack offline guns on a pos if you did not know you was red why was he attacking a Blue/neut pos? http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7967108
So it comes down to you tryed to play both side so you could make your isk and try and save U'K from falling apart. And here it is you attack our fleet attack our blue who all fly NRDS in GW you set our reds blue tell me why was you set red again i might of miss somthing?
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.11.11 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dame Death on 11/11/2010 10:55:06
Originally by: Hori To Hello Dame Death o/
If you know me you know better then to call me that. *Eliza smirks* But hi.
Also Thorvik glad to see someone sees what I was getting at.
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Astroyka
Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: time 3290 Incoherent babble
Seems even the data services you point us to are unable to verify your version of events either:
Quote: 500 - Internal Server Error
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: time 3290
But this is not why you was set red you was set red for setting most of the NBSI alliances in GW blue but the best one was you set -V- blue
After hours of excavation and translation I managed to extract the 'point' from his post. Though you left out the other part of the reason which your furred colleague so eloquently put:
Quote: Nykitah > You want to live in the Wildlands and be NRDS with a different list of standings than our own - you're pretty much challenging our hold over it mate. >.>
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time 3290
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Astroyka
Originally by: time 3290 Incoherent babble
Seems even the data services you point us to are unable to verify your version of events either:
Quote: 500 - Internal Server Error
Works ok for everyone else try again and all what was said is true there so much drama in U'K you miss the point on why you was set red and why you are -V- pets.......
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Borza Slavak on 11/11/2010 12:41:14
Originally by: time 3290 you miss the point on why you was set red
No, not at all
Quote: Nykitah > You want to live in the Wildlands and be NRDS with a different list of standings than our own - you're pretty much challenging our hold over it mate. >.>
Nuknuk made it perfectly clear.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Jade Constantine We (SF+UK in this case) believe that you cannot stand for freedom while telling 3rd parties how to conduct their diplomacy and enforcing their standings.
Ushra'Khan sets groups red for working with CVA, for obvious reasons. They do tell others how to conduct their diplomacy, and that is good.
No, there is a distinction to be made here. We set groups red who co-operate with our slavers because that makes them our enemies. We don't tell people who should be their friends, we react to their choices.
So you do exactly the same as CVA/RE-AL do. They also dont tell who should be their friends, they just react to their choices (by shooting them).
The funny part obviously is that SF who claims to be against this sides with UK (really people, enclosurism is just not an existing word), while under CVA controlled providence it was never a problem to be blue with our enemies, just as long as you didnt attack our friends or in any way helped reds that attacked us. But for example quite some atlas renters were neutral and accepted in providence, while they obviously were allied to an enemy. The only difference then is that SF just doesnt care if you shoot neutrals or not, and happily allies themselves with NBSI alliances (and when they get backstabbed by them they suddenly see this as a problem, while in their history they have mainly been allied with nbsi entities), while CVA/RE-AL style NRDS sees neutrals as (potential) friends, and they dont appreciate it if you shoot their friends.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Borza Slavak on 11/11/2010 13:48:50
Originally by: Furb Killer
So you do exactly the same as CVA/RE-AL do. They also dont tell who should be their friends, they just react to their choices (by shooting them).
Wrong. RE-AL demand that anyone who wants to be part of their little gang (or even just live in Great Wildlands) share their NRDS rules of engagement and their entire standings lists, both who they set red and who they have blue. Effectively you must give up control of you own corporation or alliance's diplomacy. We simply treat those groups who are friends with our enemies as hostile.
You're either deliberately trying to mislead or you're a cretin. Perhaps both.
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:54:00 -
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Its funny how everyone is wrong apart from U'K its easy RE-AL have a red list why???????
1, They come to GW and fly NBSI 2, Come in to take over GW and fly NBSI (same as number 1) 3, Fly with our reds in GW and kill our blues or neuts (same as number 1)
Some once again you attack a blue fleet to your standings you attack NEUTS to youe standings http://www.ushrakhan.org/edk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5392 off your own killboard new alliance you could not of had them red and they had not attack U'K and you fly with -V- shoot our blues so let me see thats 1,2 and 3 rules but im wrong i guess even tho i have killboard links and convo with your diplo says U'K have some hot heads and they will try and sort them out hmmmmmm
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:32:00 -
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We set nobody red in GW who didn't aggress us first actually. Including Zero-Navigation and YARRR. I think you coalition's pilots don't all stick to NRDS as well as they are meant to
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:00:00 -
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Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why? |
Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Its funny how everyone is wrong apart from U'K its easy RE-AL have a red list why???????
1, They come to GW and fly NBSI 2, Come in to take over GW and fly NBSI (same as number 1) 3, Fly with our reds in GW and kill our blues or neuts (same as number 1)
Some once again you attack a blue fleet to your standings you attack NEUTS to youe standings http://www.ushrakhan.org/edk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5392 off your own killboard new alliance you could not of had them red and they had not attack U'K and you fly with -V- shoot our blues so let me see thats 1,2 and 3 rules but im wrong i guess even tho i have killboard links and convo with your diplo says U'K have some hot heads and they will try and sort them out hmmmmmm
1. Wrong, we fly NRDS in GW. We will of course react to hostilities. NBSI would make life for us diplomats so much easier. 2. Not here to take over, we're here for R&R with our Thukker buddies, the owners of this space. The rest is answered by 1. 3. We fly with whomever we wish to fly with. We do not have to discuss this with you. Of course, should the Thukker tribes have issues with us, our diplomats would be happy to discuss things with them. Furthermore, if your blues or neutrals fire upon us, fire will be returned.
As for that link, our scout was looking for a red in system, entered the anomaly and got attacked. The two ships, you missed one there, were destroyed as a response.
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why?
Why do you shout so much? Lack of self control?
Anyway, you might wonder why we do what we do, but since I doubt you'd take any explanation for it's worth, I suggest you head to the -V- diplomats. I trust you know the way. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nightshade Mary
Originally by: papal knight Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why?
Why do you shout so much? Lack of self control?
Anyway, you might wonder why we do what we do, but since I doubt you'd take any explanation for it's worth, I suggest you head to the -V- diplomats. I trust you know the way.
Hang on you fly NRDS in GW but you fly in NBSI fleets? hmmmm got to give to you all as you sure dont know what your doing or flying. DRAMA
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why?
-V- were red from a long long time ago. After a while in GW we spoke to them and set them blue. We never shot RE-AL reds who weren't also ours. In fact we had -V- blue prior to RE-AL setting us neutral.
Really do we have to go into labyrinthine detail of all the standings we've ever had simply because uninformed people have an axe to grind or want to try and make it seem as if we don't follow our own RoE? You don't like us for some reason, we get it.
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight
Originally by: Nightshade Mary
Originally by: papal knight Oh is this so....... so why did you have -V- RED? why did you fly in RE-AL fleets and kill RE-AL REDS? Why the same day we set U'K back to neut to set -V- who was RED to BLUE hmmmm i wounder why?
Why do you shout so much? Lack of self control?
Anyway, you might wonder why we do what we do, but since I doubt you'd take any explanation for it's worth, I suggest you head to the -V- diplomats. I trust you know the way.
Hang on you fly NRDS in GW but you fly in NBSI fleets? hmmmm got to give to you all as you sure dont know what your doing or flying. DRAMA
Drama? To be honest, we have only seen RE-AL drama so far. We do indeed fly in NBSI fleets. Our pilots have been instructed not to fire at neutrals whilst in these fleets. Our friends who organize these fleets know and accept this limitation.
It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
The funny part obviously is that SF who claims to be against this sides with UK (really people, enclosurism is just not an existing word), while under CVA controlled providence it was never a problem to be blue with our enemies, just as long as you didnt attack our friends or in any way helped reds that attacked us. But for example quite some atlas renters were neutral and accepted in providence, while they obviously were allied to an enemy. The only difference then is that SF just doesnt care if you shoot neutrals or not, and happily allies themselves with NBSI alliances (and when they get backstabbed by them they suddenly see this as a problem, while in their history they have mainly been allied with nbsi entities), while CVA/RE-AL style NRDS sees neutrals as (potential) friends, and they dont appreciate it if you shoot their friends.
Such a relief to have a notorious CVA agent provocateur like Furb Killer back to ranting nonsenses against us.
The Star Fraction supports the Ushra'Khan in one simple, clear and straightforward regard: we fully endorse and defend their choice to practice independent diplomacy according to their freely-chosen standards and ethical underpinnings.
Do we subscribe to every jot and tittle of their diplomatic choices? No. Do we hold as enemies all their enemies? No. Do we hold as friends all their friends? No.
Which is rather the point.
As for the great debate about NRDS and NBSI and trying to derive meaning from who has friends subscribing to which engagement ruleset: it's nonsense. The many variants of NRDS and NBSI are engagement rulesets, not fully-featured ethical systems that can be used to determine (or as some think, dictate) who can be friends and who should be enemies. It's hardly as if the CVA refuses friendship with all sorts of NBSI entities. It always has and no doubt it always will. It's sheerest hypocrisy for propaganda spear-carriers of the CVA to cavil at the fact that the Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction have diplomatic relations with entities that happen to be NBSI.
For us, the key issue has always been the actual political, diplomatic, military and economic ideologies or policies of any given entity and how these are implemented in actuality. Whether an entity holds to NBSI RoE or one of the many variants of NRDS can be a factor in assessing them but it is, at best, a second order factor.
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:20:00 -
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It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you.
Lol you keep telling yourself that i had it with your BULL i makes me think how lucky we are not to have the drama queens of U'K blue CVA are lucky they dont have to put it with it we will see how long it is until you move on and im sure you will be soon as everyone knows LD emo rage is funny
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you.
Lol you keep telling yourself that i had it with your BULL i makes me think how lucky we are not to have the drama queens of U'K blue CVA are lucky they dont have to put it with it we will see how long it is until you move on and im sure you will be soon as everyone knows LD emo rage is funny
For some reason you keep mentioning drama and emo. What is the matter? Did you run out of arguments? ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nightshade Mary
Originally by: papal knight It complicates things somewhat, yes, but flying true NRDS is nothing new for us. Perhaps you'd care to try it instead of your CVA model? Just contact one of us ingame and we'll be happy to explain things to you.
Lol you keep telling yourself that i had it with your BULL i makes me think how lucky we are not to have the drama queens of U'K blue CVA are lucky they dont have to put it with it we will see how long it is until you move on and im sure you will be soon as everyone knows LD emo rage is funny
For some reason you keep mentioning drama and emo. What is the matter? Did you run out of arguments?
No...
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Astroyka
Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight flying true NRDS is nothing new for us.
It's truly hard to educate a mindless automaton, but as we have said before and will say again, if we ascribe to your standings and you set an entity red then its only RE-AL's opinion that they should be red.
Granted I'm sure if relations were different there would have been instances where both alliances would have set a given entity red, but we don't do subservience and we certainly don't enforce subservience on others.
Simple, we didn't and don't want your standings, we have our own!
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Andarias
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Andarias on 11/11/2010 18:06:27
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Zebes
Caldari Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: time 3290
Yes we did set U'k red first they opend fire on a RE-AL fleet http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7917025
We was both blue and they attack us for what they said we attack one of there fleet members who was a member of Thukker Tribe Mercebaries who was sat on a gate on his own and is RED to RE-AL and has been for a very long time, for all you guys who like to look a facts look when Thukker Tribe was made funny they made an ally called that the same time U'K said there coming to GW to help you out here is them before the made this sad alliance http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7809069 13-10-2010 oh......
I was wondering if you would have the gall to bring that up. Nuknuk mentioned the loss of his precious cyclone, but I'd figured the rest of you for smarter.
What actually happened, for those of you who make a habit of believing Nykitah's version of events. As you can see, we were in a fleet - several U'K with a single member of the Thukker Tribe Mercs. We were roaming around looking for things to shoot - a decidedly difficult task when running NRDS as with a diplomatic team as good at getting blues as ours. We were paused on a gate while our scout was in the next system. Nykitah and his fleet arrived in system from another direction. Nyk arrived at our gate and immediately opened fire on the lone non-U'K member of our gang. Said individual was not 'sat on a gate on his own.' He was sat on a gate in the midst of several of us, and our FC wasn't about to have us sit around and watch him get attacked. Interestingly enough, it wasn't until after we engaged in defense of our fleetmate that the rest of Nykitah's fleet rolled in, causing some issues, as most of us didn't show blues on our combat displays.
In short, Nuknuk showed up looking for a fight, attacked our fleet, and got a fight. Kwitcherbichin.
As for the rest of your ****, it's just a matter of whose story you believe. First notification most of us got that you guys were hostile to us was the loss of Ratokus Loki. The messages you sent went to diplomats who were not available to receive them and pass them along at the time. Given how absurdly easy it is to determine whether a pilot is in their pod, this speaks to either deliberate negligence or gross incompetence on the part of your diplomats. For future reference, when setting a formerly neutral entity KOS, it's considered polite to make real-time contact with them so that they can match the standings change. Simply sending a message to a diplo who can't receive it and then starting to shoot is... well...
Good day.
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Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nykitah on 11/11/2010 18:21:53 Oh aye, I recall that time... that little fleet of yers being reported in our intel channels, the Kunts flyin' with Thukker Tribe Mercs even after multiple warnings that the Mercs are hostile to us. So, I went and went to talk with the only Ushra'Kunt sittin' in their diplo channel - C Walken.
[ 2010.10.28 01:54:07 ] Nykitah > So, I've been told that you guys are flying with our reds. [ 2010.10.28 01:56:45 ] C Walken > lil bit [ 2010.10.28 01:57:28 ] Nykitah > Well, just to tell you right now - we will shoot them regardless. [ 2010.10.28 01:57:33 ] C Walken > thukker mercs are pretty chill guys [ 2010.10.28 01:57:39 ] C Walken > thats cool [ 2010.10.28 01:57:53 ] C Walken > we're ok with you guys shooting nay of our blues
There ya have it! Straight from the freakin' slave hound's maw. Course it ain't no surprise that his words were full of the **** all them Kunts are.
As for yer idiotic Loki pilot? Heh, caught him tryin' to incap the offline guns on me tower with some fighters soon after we declared yer lot hostile. Sat himself right up against the force field, didn't even start runnin' 'til after I had the pirate scum locked down and tackled.
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:32:00 -
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No no no its wrong its all lies there you go said it for you U'K
No matter what the truth is you swing round to be everyone else and not them
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight No no no its wrong its all lies there you go said it for you U'K
No matter what the truth is you swing round to be everyone else and not them
Does not compute, please clarify. I suggest punctuation and proof-reading your post before selecting "Post Reply".
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Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:03:00 -
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Running time > so attacking OUR fleet last night Forlorn Wongraven > we fought cva for years against their standing enclosure bull**** and our (minmatar) buddies want to force it upon us Forlorn Wongraven > dramalama Forlorn Wongraven > nyk forced it Running time > yip and im sorry over that
We have every mail and chat log from your alliance since the first contact. Do we really want to play that game?
(Secition edited from OOC to IC referance.)
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:28:00 -
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Talk is good on here tell why are you all sat in EO2 with the numbers and not going to fight with your new master -V- tell you what U'K get 3x our numbers and come what im trying to say stop the talk and fight for the rights to stay in RE-AL space we rent it out to the thukker tribe it looks cool that way
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Talk is good on here tell why are you all sat in EO2 with the numbers and not going to fight with your new master -V- tell you what U'K get 3x our numbers and come what im trying to say stop the talk and fight for the rights to stay in RE-AL space we rent it out to the thukker tribe it looks cool that way
Hmm, let me see if I understand you correct.
You claim to be the true owners of Thukker space; the Thukkers actually rent from you.
Really...
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:40:00 -
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Like i said you have all the time you want to reply to this crap as youe sat in E02 with more in fleet then us and still not fight screenshot coming up
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 11/11/2010 19:47:23 See, a NAP is one thing. Engaging in cooperative roams is another entirely. Taking sides in blue/grey on blue/grey engagements is another still. From what has been described here, this sounds more like a mutual defensive alliance than a non-aggression pact.
Everything else that followed was kind of inevitable, if you think about it.
If you so much as cycle a remote repper on your allies when they engage a non-red target (assuming you are operating NRDS) that has not aggressed you specifically, you should very much expect they will now consider you hostile.
U'K actually uses this logic all the time whenever they see fit to engage forces they consider to be "giving material support to slavers" and the like. This doesn't have to even be in the form of fielding combat forces in many cases.
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: papal knight Like i said you have all the time you want to reply to this crap as youe sat in E02 with more in fleet then us and still not fight screenshot coming up
Am I? That's odd. When I look at my navigation computer it reports that I am in Uplingur.
Tell me though , what is a screenshot? Must be a feature my ship doesn't have.
I do look forward to your answer, you are somewhat entertaining. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 20:24:00 -
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Well if you was with your fleet you might of won cos man you lot just got your ass kick
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 20:27:00 -
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Win some, lose some, that is the life of a capsuleer. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Mad Murgan
Minmatar DAEDALUS X Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 21:01:00 -
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quote] I'm sorry, I mean dear, sweet Victoria and I have a bit of a history. In short, about six months ago, she was responsible for the murder of a fellow slave. This murder she not only freely admits to, but is rather proud of. Oh and incidentially, I know you guys are new to U'K but do you think you could at least try not to sound like you're still in Star Fraction? that would add loads to your credibility. As for the rest of your juvinile thread... Here I am. Come free me.
Wait, I have credibility? When did that ever happen? I have as much credibility as, how shall I put this, you. As for my friends over in the Star Fraction, nice jab by the way, so maybe they rubbed off on me a little. I fail to see how that is a bad thing, and how not sounding like them could help my nonexistant credability. Not that I want any... As for your allegations against my friend Victoria, please show some proof. Seriously, right now it sounds like your bitter because she didn't want to take you out on a date or something. As for sounding juvinile, well I was shooting for angry as hell, so I guess I need to work on that. As for liberating you...well...from the looks of things you don't really need to be. Unless that was an open challange for a fight. In which case, see you when I see you. So to sum it all up. Please stop stalking my friend and pitching a fit already...it's huanting, in a way. Sanity is relative.
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.11 21:03:00 -
[173]
Originally by: papal knight Well if you was with your fleet you might of won cos man you lot just got your ass kick
Hey, congrats. We need you guys to win some of these. If every battle went like last night's little scuffles, this would be over quickly and spoil all our fun. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
Norsey
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 22:58:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Victoria Stecker
Originally by: papal knight Well if you was with your fleet you might of won cos man you lot just got your ass kick
Hey, congrats. We need you guys to win some of these. If every battle went like last night's little scuffles, this would be over quickly and spoil all our fun.
CONCORD OOC censor applied. Zymurgist
Your right this will be over in no time at all
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Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.11 23:05:00 -
[175]
Originally by: papal knight what im trying to say stop the talk and fight for the rights to stay in RE-AL space we rent it out to the thukker tribe it looks cool that way
So, The Republic Military School is challenging the Thukker's SOV by granting it to RE-AL? Oh, the political strife. |
papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.11 23:47:00 -
[176]
Yes we will take the Thukker guys down hard http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8027653 see more info for you oh and here the link from U'K fail mix fleet with there masters -V- http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8026293 what the kill mail does not show is all the scim they had bad repping guys very bad night night
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.12 00:09:00 -
[177]
http://www.ushrakhan.org/edk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5803 try setting your killboard up so it show ALL lose in your fleets not just the one you loss
Its called a fleet not how well you do
not much you could do with a larger gang alphaing you :) but, drop the SPR in lows and go with core-def shield ex in rigs, one less LSE, two invuln and one photon hardner for better resists
hmmmm with all your scim we had 2 more guess thats a larger fleet
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Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.12 00:15:00 -
[178]
papal knight, due to the lack of any public records or military reports concerning your capsuleer affiliations, would you be so kind as to clarify your political status? Since you have claimed to speak on behalf of RE-AL, do you claim to hold a leadership position in RE-AL? If so, does RE-AL dispute this? |
time 3290
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.12 00:39:00 -
[179]
Im sure papal Knight can talk for RE-AL
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 01:47:00 -
[180]
Originally by: time 3290 Im sure papal Knight can talk
Really?
Well, perhaps by your standards.
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papal knight
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Posted - 2010.11.12 01:59:00 -
[181]
oh yeah!! keep talking this is all you guys do oh and be good pets for -V- |
Victoria Stecker
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 02:07:00 -
[182]
Papal knight is essentially what you get when someone wants to talk but doesn't have the testicular fortitude to put their own name on the things they say. It's a common phenomenon among capsuleers here on IGS. Presumably his words could be attributed to a member of Re-Al, but the member (or lack thereof) in question wishes to remain anonymous. This gives him the freedom to spew absurdities like calling us pets and generally make a fool of himself without risking his own reputation.
Additionally, I know full well that today's fight went poorly, including someone engaging in a passive rather than buffer tanked drake. It happens. And I am grateful, as it would be quite dull if every battle went our way and the war ended too soon. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |
Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.12 02:11:00 -
[183]
Originally by: time 3290 Im sure papal Knight can talk for RE-AL
Oh dear. That is somewhat disturbing. And here I was thinking he was an Ursha'khan agent trying to make you sound like idiots. I was hoping he wasn't legitimate.
Now for my own inherent interest in this conflict. Your political stance of superiority over the Thukker Tribe must not be very good for trade. Would you impose additional taxes on shipping in the region on top of what the Thukkers demand? |
time 3290
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.12 02:16:00 -
[184]
And you are???
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Pablos Locos
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Posted - 2010.11.12 02:19:00 -
[185]
I am Pablos, merchant and trader. Now about your ideas on taxes in the region? Any comment? |
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CCP Jericho
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Posted - 2010.11.12 02:49:00 -
[186]
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.11.12 06:26:00 -
[187]
Meh, stop posting you mongoloids.
I'm amazed U'K even cares to reply to the endless amounts of talentless posts overloaded with rubbish and "emo"
You've got deep mental obstructions for comparing em to CVA.
Where in your monkeybrains did you spawn these outrageous claims? Sounds like a empire missioner losing his officer fit Drake to me...
Shoot instead, but try without the NAPtrain, might even get combat experience besides bringing a large "blob" as the answer to everything.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 06:51:00 -
[188]
Makk, was actually just thinking about you guys. You should stop by GW sometime. I think you might really enjoy it here. |
Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.12 09:38:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Borza Slavak of the Ushra'Khan RE-AL demand that anyone who wants to be part of their little gang (or even just live in Great Wildlands) share their NRDS rules of engagement and their entire standings lists, both who they set red and who they have blue.
What happened to "take customs where you come"? Its just common courtesy that if you suddenly move into a territory that has been occupied by someone else for a long time, you adapt to their customs and rules, its just showing normal respect, tbh. Who do you think you are, suddenly bursting into the Great Wildlands like that, and not adopting? You guys need to take this down on a simple level. First of all, learn some normal manners.
Originally by: Nightshade Mary of the Ushra'Khan Why do you shout so much? Lack of self control?
A small lecture for you: It's perfectly fine showing emotion in a discussion like this, it only shows that one feels for the cause. Especially in this case when faced with intelligence-liberated stubborness such as your own. It's sad to see you disband the factual anti-arguments and remaining on topic for pure red-thread-abandoned insultism. I think it is evidence enough that you know what you are doing is wrong. But obviously you see nothing wrong in being wrong.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 09:53:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Codo Yagari
What happened to "take customs where you come"? Its just common courtesy that if you suddenly move into a territory that has been occupied by someone else for a long time, you adapt to their customs and rules, its just showing normal respect, tbh.
Of course, I completely agree with you. Which is why we made every attempt at diplomatic discussions with RE-AL and their allies, and we are still very much open for further discussion. Unfortunately hostilities have resulted from their unreasonable ultimatums and shady methods.
At any rate, the Thukker Tribe, the true sovereigns of the Wildlands, have not taken any issue with our presence, despite their newly revealed status as RE-AL renters |
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 13:04:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Codo Yagari
Originally by: Borza Slavak of the Ushra'Khan RE-AL demand that anyone who wants to be part of their little gang (or even just live in Great Wildlands) share their NRDS rules of engagement and their entire standings lists, both who they set red and who they have blue.
What happened to "take customs where you come"? Its just common courtesy that if you suddenly move into a territory that has been occupied by someone else for a long time, you adapt to their customs and rules, its just showing normal respect, tbh. Who do you think you are, suddenly bursting into the Great Wildlands like that, and not adopting? You guys need to take this down on a simple level. First of all, learn some normal manners.
Public Alliance seem to be objecting to us being friendly with 'pirate' organisations. Given that the long-term residents and owners of the Great Wildlands are the Thukker tribe, known to have good relations with pirates and who often operate on the shady side of the law themselves... I'd say we fit with local customs rather well.
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.11.12 13:46:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Lord Makk Meh, stop posting you mongoloids. (snip) Shoot instead,
The caldari slimeball acturly speaks sense for a change.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.12 13:59:00 -
[193]
For the love of gods, both U'K and RE-AL, can't you ask your people to stop posting in this thread? It gives me a headache.
Elsebeth, without the luxury to look away
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 14:18:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon For the love of gods, both U'K and RE-AL, can't you ask your people to stop posting in this thread? It gives me a headache.
Elsebeth, without the luxury to look away
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.12 16:20:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Nightshade Mary With all due respect, you do have the option to not read it.
I would, if I decided suddenly to 1) make myself not care about a Minmatar region, and 2) resign as EM diplomat. I have to say it is becoming more and more tempting as the thread grows.
Else
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.12 17:14:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon For the love of gods, both U'K and RE-AL, can't you ask your people to stop posting in this thread? It gives me a headache.
Elsebeth, without the luxury to look away
while I understand what you mean, this sort of stuff is offensive and does not exactly help, and it also lead to my post. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.12 17:56:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Hori To while I understand what you mean, this sort of stuff is offensive and does not exactly help, and it also lead to my post.
No offense meant to either side. Just, well - don't you think this thread has long since exceeded any potential usefulness it might have had?
Else -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today. |
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:32:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Kazzzi Makk, was actually just thinking about you guys. You should stop by GW sometime. I think you WOULD really enjoy it here.
Fixed
This region definitely needs a little Makk.
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.12 20:02:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
No offense meant to either side. Just, well - don't you think this thread has long since exceeded any potential usefulness it might have had?
Else
YES.
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2010.11.13 02:00:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Originally by: Hori To while I understand what you mean, this sort of stuff is offensive and does not exactly help, and it also lead to my post.
No offense meant to either side. Just, well - don't you think this thread has long since exceeded any potential usefulness it might have had?
Else
1st and 2nd post are ok, rest is noise. :P |
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Sinti Vailatti
MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.11.13 07:23:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Mad Murgan
Wait, I have credibility? When did that ever happen? I have as much credibility as, how shall I put this, you. As for my friends over in the Star Fraction, nice jab by the way, so maybe they rubbed off on me a little. I fail to see how that is a bad thing, and how not sounding like them could help my nonexistant credability. Not that I want any... As for your allegations against my friend Victoria, please show some proof. Seriously, right now it sounds like your bitter because she didn't want to take you out on a date or something. As for sounding juvinile, well I was shooting for angry as hell, so I guess I need to work on that. As for liberating you...well...from the looks of things you don't really need to be. Unless that was an open challange for a fight. In which case, see you when I see you. So to sum it all up. Please stop stalking my friend and pitching a fit already...it's huanting, in a way.
No, actually you have no credibility.
Your history shows that quite clearly.
As for VictoriaÆs past, you could just ask her. SheÆs always been quite proud of the things sheÆs done while a part of the ôSewn together Wrongö crowd. SheÆll be dealt with, by and by.
The point that you seem to be missing is, your alliance was just recently taken apart by not paying attention to who it let in. That UÆK has let in the likes of dear Vicky and your lot is pretty funny.
I canÆt wait to see history repeat itself.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.13 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi At any rate, the Thukker Tribe, the true sovereigns of the Wildlands, have not taken any issue with our presence, despite their newly revealed status as RE-AL renters
That's just over-the-toply extremely almost ungraspable surprising, isn't it. Well, let the living live, and try their best. I cant EVER remember speaking to somenone from the Thukker Tribe, ANYWHERE. Diplomatically, they must've be keeping an insanely low diplomatic profile for the last couple of years. How peculiar and strange, that we are not getting any comments from them in here, this is the galactic summit afterall. Very VERY very weird in deed. lol ___________________
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.13 14:02:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Codo Yagari
A small lecture for you: It's perfectly fine showing emotion in a discussion like this, it only shows that one feels for the cause. Especially in this case when faced with intelligence-liberated stubborness such as your own. It's sad to see you disband the factual anti-arguments and remaining on topic for pure red-thread-abandoned insultism. I think it is evidence enough that you know what you are doing is wrong. But obviously you see nothing wrong in being wrong.
Interesting, I never abandoned the thread with insults, yet you feel that I have; perhaps you need to re-read the above. Mind you, papal knight's arguments are quite the energy drain, so I wish you luck in trying to keep your eyes open.
What exactly do you think we are doing that is wrong? The only people who have any say in whether or not we are welcome in the GW are the Thukkers. They are not complaining.
Of course, you are very much entitled to your own opinion, be it right or wrong. If that is intelligence draining stubbornness, I think we must both be vegetables by now.
Fly reckless Codo, I know we will. ----------------------- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. |
Cortante
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Posted - 2010.11.15 02:23:00 -
[204]
Can you blame U'K?
They went into a region and saw an alliance with the ticker -V-. Their inner want to be slaves forever sent them into a happy frenzy, for they confused the -V- with -A- and thought they were in the presence of their last masters. They may end up realizing their mistake, but those who wish to be slaves will often delude themselves in order to be happily under bondage.
At the end of the day, the pet needs it's master and U'K will roam from region to region, losing every battle along the way until they find another doghouse to their liking.
Pets will always be pets.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.15 11:40:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Nightshade Mary What exactly do you think we are doing that is wrong? The only people who have any say in whether or not we are welcome in the GW are the Thukkers. They are not complaining.
How do you know they're not complaining? As far as I am concerned they may be in massive agony over the whole thing. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it. Yep, PRETTY sure. |
Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.15 13:04:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Codo Yagari How do you know they're not complaining? As far as I am concerned they may be in massive agony over the whole thing. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it. Yep, PRETTY sure.
So you believe the Thukkers have changed their minds about us residing in Great Wildlands?
I'm surprised. Two years ago they had no issues with inviting us for a stay.
I guess we should wait for them to contact us again. Untill then we'll busy ourselves with our new mission.
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.15 15:40:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Cortante .... Anonymous babbling from ePeen-less capsuleer......
...and you are?
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EagleKnight11B
Caldari Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.15 18:22:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Lord Makk Meh, stop posting you mongoloids.
I'm amazed U'K even cares to reply to the endless amounts of talentless posts overloaded with rubbish and "emo"
You've got deep mental obstructions for comparing em to CVA.
Where in your monkeybrains did you spawn these outrageous claims? Sounds like a empire missioner losing his officer fit Drake to me...
Shoot instead, but try without the NAPtrain, might even get combat experience besides bringing a large "blob" as the answer to everything.
Lord Makk is a **G
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.11.15 19:30:00 -
[209]
Another pathetic post from people who's value is equal to garbage.
Oh hey Eagle, didn't see you there in amongst all the cardboard boxes of forgotten, I truly apologise for not feeding your troll-like persona.
Honest, sorry as I can ever get.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.15 20:45:00 -
[210]
Removed trolling/ooc comment
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Calypso's Wrath
Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.15 21:46:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Lord Makk Another pathetic post from people who's value is equal to garbage.
Oh hey Eagle, didn't see you there in amongst all the cardboard boxes of forgotten, I truly apologise for not feeding your troll-like persona.
Honest, sorry as I can ever get.
I am told that if you look in a mirror and say "Eagleknight, my dad owns a dealership" 3 times while spinning in circles you will summon him.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.16 10:36:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Michael Bross So you believe the Thukkers have changed their minds about us residing in Great Wildlands?
I'm surprised. Two years ago they had no issues with inviting us for a stay.
I guess we should wait for them to contact us again. Untill then we'll busy ourselves with our new mission.
May I ask, what member of the Thukker Tribe did you speak to exactly? Or can you just name one character that I can contact please? Personally, I find anyone of them very hard to reach. :s ___________________
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.16 11:59:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Borza Slavak on 16/11/2010 11:59:18 Edited by: Borza Slavak on 16/11/2010 11:59:03 Reciprocated friendly relations between Ushra'Khan and the Thukker Tribe are a matter of public record.
Originally by: Chieftain Einnar Aeboul
Allow me to begin by thanking you and yours for the kind words, Mr. Murino. We are honored that an esteemed association such as the Ushra'Khan views us with such positivity.
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That said, as a gesture of diplomatic good will towards the Ushra'Khan, and to show our respect for the noble work you do, we may be willing to take on a few of your slaves.
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Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.17 18:38:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Codo Yagari
May I ask, what member of the Thukker Tribe did you speak to exactly? Or can you just name one character that I can contact please? Personally, I find anyone of them very hard to reach. :s
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard
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Posted - 2010.11.18 09:56:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Codo Yagari on 18/11/2010 09:56:28
I stand corrected.
However, on a more progressive note, how can their sovereignty be contested? Is it at all possible? Theoretically, I mean. ___________________
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