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Ragnar256
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.09 01:45:00 -
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Without griefers, this game would be dull and monotonous.
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.09 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ragnar256 Without griefers, this game would be dull and monotonous.
somewhat true, but unfortunately some folks take it a bit too far and can ruin the game experience for people completely...
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.11.09 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Ragnar256 Without griefers, this game would be dull and monotonous.
somewhat true, but unfortunately some folks take it a bit too far and can ruin the game experience for people completely...
Griefers only bother you if you let them.
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Brandrsun
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.09 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Slurper
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Ragnar256 Without griefers, this game would be dull and monotonous.
somewhat true, but unfortunately some folks take it a bit too far and can ruin the game experience for people completely...
Griefers only bother you if you let them.
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.09 04:19:00 -
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No. I'd argue with you two, but you essentially just said the equivalent of "bullies only bother you if you let them". This is just utter... meh. Some people on the forum, eh? What are you gonna do.
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Mytzso
Private Nuisance Segregati0n
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Posted - 2010.11.09 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate ...
No. I'd argue with you two, but I am ghey
u r full of ghey
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Oneiros IV
Minmatar Dudu Micha Stella Polaris.
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Posted - 2010.11.09 11:43:00 -
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Quote: awww someone is a sad clown. Did the other kids call you names at school? Seriously people like you should be phased out. You have no self worth and so you value no one else.
Good to know you taking online game that seriously that you tell others how to roleplay in it in a demanding manner while operating real life values. _______
If others had not been foolish, we should be so. ¬ William Blake |
Static Scream
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Posted - 2010.11.09 12:34:00 -
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Quote: So I'm just curious but how does grief play add any value to playing eve online? Sure it rewards the people who like to grief but what about the 90percent of people who don't care one bit for this style of gameplay?
How does selling high and buying low in a single station create rewards for anyone but the trader?
How does ratting in 0.0 for bounties create rewards for anyone but the ratter?
How does bubble camping create rewards for anyone but the camper?
Lol, so sure the 3 scenarios I have listed reward the people doing them, but what about the other 90percent of the people who don't care one bit for these styles of gameplay?
Quote: why reward those who insist on adding little to no value to your game?
Alert, alert not so subtle attempt to bring real life morality into a computer game detected, Hello Kitty Online -> that way
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.11.09 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain I'm sorry where did I say that grief play = pvp? Or where did you read that I support carebear play?
It's a simple question, is eve online a better game when people grief others, this term is very loose, it could be anything from financial griefing to pvp to other scams and exploits. It's a broad term, but the focus is on game mechanics that reward those who add no value to the game. People who are so depraved of that they only find satisfaction in grief play is just sad really.
Do you see what you did there?
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If a player flips another players can, I don't consider it grief play, because if you try to take your stuff back you get a warning that you are about to steal something, this to me is fair, you are given a choice, you can choose to ignore the warning or you can choose leave. Totally fair mechanic.
When 10 people suddenly decide to jump into a highsec system and pick on a new player in a bantam for example, blow him up and kill his pod without any warning, I would consider this grief playing, first because there is no ISK reward since all of them will lose ships far more expensive then the one they destroyed and second because their only satisfaction is to ruin someones day for no reason at all.
If "ruining someone's day for no reason at all" gives a player satisfaction, then isn't that what games are supposed to do?
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What value is there in a game when the reward is simply to make someone else miserable, someone who did not deserve to be treated with hostility.
Everyone has done something to deserve it. Nobody is innocent (Except for Capsuleer Jesus).
KB
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Brandrsun
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.09 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate ...
No. I'd argue with you two, but you essentially just said the equivalent of "bullies only bother you if you let them". This is just utter... meh. Some people on the forum, eh? What are you gonna do.
I'd argue with you to wasnt it that ive done so a million times allready with the same results. EVE is a dark, dangerus and unforgiving game. Deal with it or GTFO.
ps, Can I haz your stuffs?
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Michelle Devereux
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Posted - 2010.11.09 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Michelle Devereux on 09/11/2010 21:43:01
Originally by: Solena Rain
I would like to see more players in eve online and I understand that the game is meant to be difficult but why reward those who insist on adding little to no value to your game? In the end your company is a business and as a business you want to have more people paying for accounts not less or am I wrong about that and you really don't want more players to join?
I am a new player (just under four weeks now) and I have joined this game for exactly this "cold, harsh atmosphere"; if it were otherwise, I would not have touched it with a long pole.
So, from my point of view, CCP is doing their business actually quite well, with me paying now my monthly fee......
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2010.11.09 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mytzso
Originally by: Solena Rain CCP, troll troll troll ***** ***** *****
If you don't like something take your spatula and bucket and GET THE **** OUT OF MY SANDBOX!
Now there is a man who calls a spatula a spatula
------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------ |
Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.11.10 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Zhao Is this a Joe alt?
I believe he was referring to me. the answer is no, this is not my thread. If you have followed my writing, you will see it isn't the griefing, ganking and war decs I have a problem with. It is with some of the so called elite PvP players who feel the need denigrate lesser skilled new players for not lining up to be killed for their enjoyment. Yes you are the hunters, but even the lion doesn't actually expect it's prey to close its eyes and wait to be eaten.
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Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.10 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 10/11/2010 02:40:12
Originally by: Brandrsun
Originally by: Selinate ...
No. I'd argue with you two, but you essentially just said the equivalent of "bullies only bother you if you let them". This is just utter... meh. Some people on the forum, eh? What are you gonna do.
I'd argue with you to wasnt it that ive done so a million times allready with the same results. EVE is a dark, dangerus and unforgiving game. Deal with it or GTFO.
ps, Can I haz your stuffs?
Lol, yeah, I'd expect as much of a reply from someone who agreed with that absolutely idiotic statement...
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Mytzso
Private Nuisance Segregati0n
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Posted - 2010.11.10 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate yada yada yada...
stfu and gtfo or we will declare an interstellar warfare on your corporation and utterly destroy you
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.11.10 13:17:00 -
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I think eve is a griefer nest.And thats not all bad,makes it exiting to accomplish anything under those circumstances
But one thing the griefers and ccp need to keep in mind is that it will become boring,even for the griefers when there is no one left to grief.
So ccp should do their best to keep it balanced.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.10 13:32:00 -
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a balance is needed yes
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.11.10 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 10/11/2010 15:48:09 Edited by: Cearain on 10/11/2010 15:46:27 I don't think its so much that CCP loves griefers. ItÆs more that they despise artificial handholding (or hand slapping) in their game.
Deism is the belief that God made the universe and then never intervened again. Theism is the belief that God made the universe and intervenes. CCP is seems very much of the deism sort. If that makes any sense.
Oh yeah and griefers aren't so bad. I hired one to watch my kids when I'm at work. -Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Mytzso
Private Nuisance Segregati0n
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Posted - 2010.11.10 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain CCP is seems very much of the deism sort.
Are you entirely there? Two expansions a year and several patches, loads of bugs to chase down and fix over and over again, tons of people getting banned for offending little carebear hamsters like you, and you are calling CCP deistic?
P.S. What's with all the editing, having problems expressing yourself?
P.P.S. Also, hire me to watch your kids.. Please..
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.11.10 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mytzso
Originally by: Cearain CCP is seems very much of the deism sort.
Are you entirely there? Two expansions a year and several patches, loads of bugs to chase down and fix over and over again, tons of people getting banned for offending little carebear hamsters like you, and you are calling CCP deistic?
P.S. What's with all the editing, having problems expressing yourself?
P.P.S. Also, hire me to watch your kids.. Please..
U mad bro?
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Solena Rain
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Posted - 2010.11.10 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Solena Rain on 10/11/2010 19:21:58 Edited by: Solena Rain on 10/11/2010 19:20:44 Why griefers are not good for the game:
1. They don't contribute to the community. 2. They destroy the economy. 3. They are locusts. 4. They make the game frustrating and not fun for others. 5. They post useless non constructive comments all the time.
I also consider SOLO players grieferes, that right carebear/griefer, you should not play an MMO if you just spend all your time playing with yourself, just like you do in real life. Anti social players have no business in an MMO.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.11.10 19:30:00 -
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if ccp had a real trouble with griefing, would they make trailers like this?
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.11.10 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain
1. They don't contribute to the community.
No, they created their own community, and continually contribute to that community. It's probably larger and more vibrant then the pure carebear community. At worst they share out those carebear tears
Originally by: Solena Rain
2. They destroy the economy.
They actually run the economy. If ships were not constantly getting blown up. Who would be buying all those modules? Considering you can get hundreds a day, the market would crash as everybody got all the modules they wanted in a week, and none were being removed.
Originally by: Solena Rain
3. They are locusts.
buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Originally by: Solena Rain
4. They make the game frustrating and not fun for others.
Well if 10 people greif one person. That's 10 people playing a rewarding and fun game, and one person not. Mathematics justifies my hate!
Originally by: Solena Rain
5. They post useless non constructive comments all the time.
Thats forum trolls. Forum trolls are on the forum and not in game. |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.11.10 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain I also consider SOLO players grieferes, that right carebear/griefer, you should not play an MMO if you just spend all your time playing with yourself, just like you do in real life. Anti social players have no business in an MMO.
Id say its hard to play eve solo.Even if there are any,why should you care.How are they bothering you?And how do they cause anyone grief?
Live and let live,worry about your game and let them play theirs. |
Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.10 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 10/11/2010 20:15:43
Originally by: Mytzso
Originally by: Selinate yada yada yada...
stfu and gtfo or we will declare an interstellar warfare on your corporation and utterly destroy you
lol.
My corp is a 1-man corp. Please, by all means, go ahead and war dec me. All that will happen is I will log on, switch skills, and log off. You won't really hurt my gameplay at all (in fact, by war deccing me, you will hurt your own gameplay since you'll just be bored to death playing station games).
Again, exactly what I'd expect from someone who would agree with that statement mentioned.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.11.10 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mytzso
Originally by: Cearain CCP is seems very much of the deism sort.
Are you entirely there? Two expansions a year and several patches, loads of bugs to chase down and fix over and over again, tons of people getting banned for offending little carebear hamsters like you, and you are calling CCP deistic?
P.S. What's with all the editing, having problems expressing yourself?
P.P.S. Also, hire me to watch your kids.. Please..
I don't consider bug fixes and patches or even expansions theism in the sense I'm getting at here. That is just really just creating the universe. But whatever the analogy only stretches so far.
Concord would be the clearest example CCP acting like theists. Concord has godlike power to mitigate certain behaviors in the game. The fact that it is a bannable offense to try to evade them makes this even more so. Banning people for ôoffending little carebear hamsters like youö would be another example of theism, I agree. Banning people for doing exploits is another example.
But other than that CCP pretty much says here it is do with it what you will. I think they do indeed try to have a hands off approach unless it would *really* clearly be financially stupid not to intervene.
Editing: I didnÆt know there were such people who would care if I edited my post to make it more readable, at least not enough to post about it. But there you are.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.11.10 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain I also consider SOLO players grieferes, that right carebear/griefer, you should not play an MMO if you just spend all your time playing with yourself, just like you do in real life. Anti social players have no business in an MMO.
I don't play eve to make friends. I have friends and family in real life and thatÆs really sufficient for me. ItÆs not that I donÆt like the people I meet in eve ûmost a really nice - itÆs just that I donÆt sign in to ôsocialize.ö
I think itÆs great that some people use eve as a means to socialize and I think itÆs great that people make friends through the game. ItÆs just not what I am out to do. But I am not playing solo in order to hurt your feelings or cause you grief. Eve is not a dating service or some sort of ôfriend findingö service. ItÆs a computer game.
I don't consider myself antisocial just because I don't look at a computer game as a way to make friends. I wonder if there is any correlation between people who have allot of friends on eve-online and the number of real life friends they have.
Why play a mmo mostly solo? Because the game play is great and itÆs a truly dynamic universe. ItÆs also as accessible as television and usually more fun.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Solena Rain
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Posted - 2010.11.10 21:47:00 -
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Bro, I was not talking about you. So far you have no grief qualities judging by what you wrote.
Originally by: Culmen
Originally by: Solena Rain
1. They don't contribute to the community.
No, they created their own community, and continually contribute to that community. It's probably larger and more vibrant then the pure carebear community. At worst they share out those carebear tears
Originally by: Solena Rain
2. They destroy the economy.
They actually run the economy. If ships were not constantly getting blown up. Who would be buying all those modules? Considering you can get hundreds a day, the market would crash as everybody got all the modules they wanted in a week, and none were being removed.
Originally by: Solena Rain
3. They are locusts.
buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Originally by: Solena Rain
4. They make the game frustrating and not fun for others.
Well if 10 people greif one person. That's 10 people playing a rewarding and fun game, and one person not. Mathematics justifies my hate!
Originally by: Solena Rain
5. They post useless non constructive comments all the time.
Thats forum trolls. Forum trolls are on the forum and not in game.
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garus banta
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Posted - 2010.11.10 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ragnar256 Without griefers, this game would be dull and monotonous.
You think eve online is monotonous without grief player? Do you have any data to back that up or are you just talking out of your ass?
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Mytzso
Private Nuisance Segregati0n
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Posted - 2010.11.10 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate lol. All that will happen is I will log on, switch skills, and log off.
And we all know why.
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