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Selinate
Amarr
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.10 22:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Mytzso
Originally by: Selinate
lol.
All that will happen is I will log on, switch skills, and log off.
And we all know why.
because the best ship that this character can currently fly is a destroyer?
Yeah, that sums it up 
Also, threatening to declare war over a thread is a bit immature... just throwing that out there...
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.10 23:45:00 -
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u can grief anyone at any time jus tgoto 0.5 space in any t1 fit battlecruiser ( harby is good) and suicide gank random hauler, dessie or get 2-3 and gank a hauler its a 0.3 sec loss for succesful ship kill. Easy made up in a few missions and if youre smart scan targets and take out the most vaulable
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garus banta
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Posted - 2010.11.11 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal
u can grief anyone at any time jus tgoto 0.5 space in any t1 fit battlecruiser ( harby is good) and suicide gank random hauler, dessie or get 2-3 and gank a hauler its a 0.3 sec loss for succesful ship kill. Easy made up in a few missions and if youre smart scan targets and take out the most vaulable
are you taking about a freighter or a hauler? You can't take out a freighterin a BC quickly enough before you get Concord to blast you to s h i t.
If you kill a hauler its a total waste, most highsec ore is only 2 to 3 million at best. Unless they actually have BPO or something even more expensive in their cargo.
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Mytzso
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:01:00 -
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You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together. And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a ****head. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig ****, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
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Juerg Ginswig
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Posted - 2010.11.12 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Also, threatening to declare war over a thread is a bit immature... just throwing that out there...
We, the Independent Miners of Lonetrek think that you are totally ghey, even for a carebear, and by your excessive gheyness you shed bad light on the rest of us. Cease and desist such ghey activities or face the consequences!
Also, to the friends at CCP, go post this off-topic: 8===o ~~ ~
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Nuts Nougat
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.11.12 15:50:00 -
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Snipers always declare wars over threads.
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Renan Ruivo
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:41:00 -
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Grief play really adds to nothing. However you have to be carefull in what you see as grief play.
You see, EVE Online is above all else, about making money. Like in the real world where everything is all about sex, for us in here everything is about making fake money.
Ganking for instance might sound like griefing, but i asure you it aint' about griefing if they use 1.2b in 10 ravens to kill your 40b officer fit mission boat. No matter what happens, they're going to get MORE than 1.2b worth of loot out of your wreck.
If someone is killing you because that is profitable for him/her, then i take off my hat to said person.. and then i'd tell you to grow up and learn how NOT to get killed.
If someone is killing you just because they want to ruin your experience, and they get no profit out of it, feel free to open a ticket. Otherwise, you will just get flamed..
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Juerg Ginswig
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Posted - 2010.11.12 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Renan RuivoIf someone is killing you just because they want to ruin your experience, and they get no profit out of it, feel free to open a ticket. Otherwise, you will just get flamed..[/quote
Hey Popeye, how about ganking for fun? I mean EvE is a game and my ultimate goal is not the fake money, as you put it, I am chasing real dough all day long in the office enough as it is, my goal is to be able to point a finger at someone face and laugh at their utter stupidity, to put in words you'll understand, to have fun. The minute EvE ceases to be fun is the minute I am stopping to pay the subscription, and that's that. Believe it or not the amount of people who will agree with me is too considerable for CCP to ignore. Now go on carebaring and if you don't like it gtfo of my sandbox!
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Selinate
Amarr
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.13 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Juerg Ginswig
Originally by: Selinate
Also, threatening to declare war over a thread is a bit immature... just throwing that out there...
We, the Independent Miners of Lonetrek think that you are totally ghey, even for a carebear, and by your excessive gheyness you shed bad light on the rest of us. Cease and desist such ghey activities or face the consequences!
Also, to the friends at CCP, go post this off-topic: 8===o ~~ ~
Lol. Again. Immaturity. Very nice, good show of character.
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Mezcal
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Posted - 2010.11.13 08:13:00 -
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Hi Solena,
I think I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure I would agree with your loose definition of 'Griefing'. As Selinate stated earlier in this thread (post 30) CCP does recognise and offer an illustration of what they believe 'Griefing' to be.
Like it or not, EVE Online is a PvP game. It's what the game is made for. In Lo-Sec, Hi-Sec, Null-Sec, Market Transactions, Contracts, Corporate Politics as well as official and unofficial forums you will find that aspect of the game being played out with great zeal. Some people take that zeal too far for my liking but my liking doesn't really matter in EVE's game design. The nature of EVE Online's design is what keeps people here and brings more people to it annually. Some leave but many stay because it isn't like other games.
When I lose at an aspect of the game, and I do, I recognize it as a mechanic of the game, learn and move on.
If I had to nail down two things I would definitely call 'Griefing' in the game they would be: newb-system, bait-canning and official, help channel trolling. I have seen these take place in game and have also seen CCP deal with them.
A game mechanic I feel is being exploited is Hi-Sec, gate piracy. Getting insurance to cover your loses for destroying ships in 'protected' space and still getting away with the spoils is a tough pill for me to swallow. Is it 'Griefing'? I guess that's up to CCP to decide. However, if a player is using 2-3 accounts to do this type of exploit, then I can't see how your arguement of CCP being a business that needs to change their game design to appeal to more players is going to sway them in any way.
I guess what I'm saying is, maybe you will have better success and/or satisfaction with the game if you choose specific aspects of it you are unhappy with and push for change of those. I don't think suggesting a general redesign of a proven and successful product will garner much support here.
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Juerg Ginswig
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Posted - 2010.11.15 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Lol. Again. Immaturity. Very nice, good show of character.
8===o ~~ ~
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Covert Kitty
Amarr
ISK Solutions
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.11.15 15:36:00 -
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Your confusing griefing and normal eve gameplay. How exactly does CCP "Incentivize" griefing, part of the definition of griefing is specifically that the griefer is getting basically nothing out of it other than the joy of making you miserable and singling you out over and over again to do so.
The other day some friends of mine suicide ganked a deadspace/faction fit missioning tengu for fun and profit. Thats not griefing. Blowing up a bunch of hulks for no reason other than to watch people get mad isn't greifing either unless you do it to the same guy over and over again.
Eve is a game of risk, reward, and often sadistic pleasure, if you want to run missions in complete safety go play wow.
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Covert Kitty
Amarr
ISK Solutions
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.11.15 15:44:00 -
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2. They destroy the economy.
Another satisfied customer, I hope you enjoy that luxury ship you just bought from me.
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3. They are locusts.
I for one welcome our new locust overlords, welcome to eve
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4. They make the game frustrating and not fun for others.
It certainly makes it fun for me, don't be stupid, make the game fun for you.
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5. They post useless non constructive comments all the time.
DOH
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Vahz Zhul
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Posted - 2010.11.15 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vahz Zhul on 15/11/2010 17:44:14
Originally by: Solena Rain
So I'm just curious but how does grief play add any value to playing eve online?
It adds precisely how much carebear tears you have to give ^.^ Oh how I loathe people who have your attitude about how EvE should be. The fact that someone can grief/scam/steal/con makes me LOVE this game and the people who play it. If you want a cute little garden with fluffy white clouds with no rain, please leave. This game is about spaceships in cold empty space, and the interactions of the players. Have you not watched one trailer to this game?
lul 
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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.15 18:44:00 -
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Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Solena Rain
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Posted - 2010.11.16 07:04:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Vahz Zhul
Edited by: Vahz Zhul on 15/11/2010 17:44:14
Originally by: Solena Rain
So I'm just curious but how does grief play add any value to playing eve online?
It adds precisely how much carebear tears you have to give ^.^ Oh how I loathe people who have your attitude about how EvE should be. The fact that someone can grief/scam/steal/con makes me LOVE this game and the people who play it. If you want a cute little garden with fluffy white clouds with no rain, please leave. This game is about spaceships in cold empty space, and the interactions of the players. Have you not watched one trailer to this game?
lul
eo you actually think I care about what you loathe? Your opinion is worthless , you are worthless, and your only achievement in life is being a coward, yeah I think that about sums it up. Do yourself a favor, lock yourself in your pod and initiate the auto destruct sequence.
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Covert Kitty
Amarr
ISK Solutions
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.11.16 12:18:00 -
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The very last official trailer promoted gaining the trust of an alliance and then jacking everything they own. Believe it or not, this isn't rainbows and skittles online, sounds like you found that out just recently :)
And yes most of us are having a great deal of fun watching you cry on the forums.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.11.16 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain
So I'm just curious but how does grief play add any value to playing eve online?
It adds an element of danger to the game, which in turn brings 'value' to the achivements of those who survive that danger.
A little while ago, I took an assult ship to 0.0 to run one of the Pirate Epic Arcs. Ran through the Arc, got my BPC and loot. But by far the most fun was managing to get that loot back to Hi-Sec through a number of gate camps.
One camp I got pulled into a bubble... spent a very nervous 10mins coloaked slowboating around while a bunch of 'griefers' tryed to drop my cloak by circling there ships around the area.
Managing to escape that was by far the most exciting thing of the whole epic arc experience.
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Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
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Vahz Zhul
Legio Prima Victrix
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Posted - 2010.11.16 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Solena Rain
eo you actually think I care about what you loathe? Your opinion is worthless , you are worthless, and your only achievement in life is being a coward, yeah I think that about sums it up. Do yourself a favor, lock yourself in your pod and initiate the auto destruct sequence.
-Says the coward hiding behind an alt :P
Hehe, more Q_Q More! I'd really love to hear now how someone griefed you now.
You know there's Free 2 Play games out there where you can dance and prance with the elves? Why don't you spare us and move there.
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Medarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.16 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Medarr on 16/11/2010 16:42:04
Originally by: Solena Rain
Originally by: Vahz Zhul
Edited by: Vahz Zhul on 15/11/2010 17:44:14
Originally by: Solena Rain
So I'm just curious but how does grief play add any value to playing eve online?
It adds precisely how much carebear tears you have to give ^.^ Oh how I loathe people who have your attitude about how EvE should be. The fact that someone can grief/scam/steal/con makes me LOVE this game and the people who play it. If you want a cute little garden with fluffy white clouds with no rain, please leave. This game is about spaceships in cold empty space, and the interactions of the players. Have you not watched one trailer to this game?
lul
eo you actually think I care about what you loathe? Your opinion is worthless , you are worthless, and your only achievement in life is being a coward, yeah I think that about sums it up. Do yourself a favor, lock yourself in your pod and initiate the auto destruct sequence.
Your definition of grief play isnt acurate in regards to eve. EVE-Online's whole setting revolves around predatory players making your life miserable and the subsequent struggle to keep yourself afloat in such a dark and dangerus universe. This by its very nature means that offencive play styles can be easily labed as griefing wich isnt the case. They are playing their part and thats what makes EVE well EVE...
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Markus Reese
Caldari
Lorentzian Expeditionaries
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Posted - 2010.11.16 17:24:00 -
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Don't care to read, but my 411 on grief play:
It is easy to avoid.
If solo, don't hit high traffic areas. Move an extra 5 jumps from your market hub where nobody hangs out and griefers are rare. And who cares if you might lose the odd bit of salvage.
Work as a team. If in a team, it is near impossible to be griefed.
War dec: Be mobile. If you get a declaration, grab a fast ship and hit a pocket highsec, or try a different location of space. Griefers have a voracious appetite so if you don't feed them, they get hungry and go somewhere else. They also don't want to work for their food.
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