2) Please, point me to an article of scientific caliber stating that the majority of individual's don't play games to relax but to compete, get angry, and chest beat against other individuals.

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Sorry for not clarifying, I didn't think I needed to. I meant video games, not real world sports. That's a different story.

no, hes right, it is a stupid comparison.

EVE is actually the game bad mmo players eventually arrive at once they have have gotten **** on in other more skill demanding games. EVEs only real niche, if you can even call it that, is spaceships. If you like spaceships, then eve is a good mmo to play.

Anyone crying about the game being dumbed down for bad players makes the statement in irony. The game is already designed for bad players. If you want a truly skill-based mmorpg with full loot, no safety zones, territorial control and clan warfare, you play Darkfall.

4) And what do those event's constitute? Black mail, scams, meta-gaming etc. When was the last time something that wasn't executed simply to screw someone over made the news? Also, it only makes news because this insane community takes this game so seriously as to let it impact their real lives.

its relatively speaking of course. Other games are just require a lot more to the point you could comparatively say that EVE requires no skill. I guess you could argue that eve employs the use of your spreadsheet skills but that isn't something most competitive gamers care to be proud of. Game know-how is not a skill, its something anyone with a normally functioning brain can achieve.

The steep learning curve comes from the amount of knowledge that is required for a player to not make mistakes. Since this knowledge takes time to accumulate, d-bags are able to prey on those who aren't aware of things like margin trading scams. The d-bags beat their chest and claim superiority and that their victims are stupid, when really, the victim just did not know. There was no lack of skill or superior skill for an outcome. This is the carebear game you play, deal with it and stop crying.

Train for years in just pvp by clicking train every couple days.
Look up fitting.
Load fitting.
Target ship.
Press F1.
Orbit.
If loosing, call in blob.
What did I miss?

Yep, if one person held 500K subs and no one else played at all, the game would be even more alive and well than it is now by your standard.

Well, alive at least. Which is why you deliberately restrict the discussion.

I am leaving this thread now, maybe :), you sir have perfectly stated all I could have hoped to convey. Still I realise that the gankers wont see it your way, rose colored glasses make unbiased viewing quite impossible. 10/10 for your unbiased take on why things are headed where they are headed.

the buff to dessys and implementation of cruisers that can fit t3 weapons and what people are calling "perma-hulkaggedon" and your post history proves you are a moron or a troll. Most likely the former.

Been here since 6-4-2003. I remember MOo and BoB, those corps that could single-handedly change the course of the game. You bring up a good point though. Wonder if we can get actual numbers on how many ships were destroyed between live and now and break them down to how many per month. That would shut one side up if not both.

I usually just ignore tippia's posts. *snip*

So you're saying that if one person bought 700k subs to TOR it'd be healthier (and thus we imply better) than EVE?

Or is this just the straw tangent?

I don't much care, my point is that standard is nonsense and it's being used that way for a reason.

The competitors in the Olympic Games represent only a small minority of the total who play sports, most of whom do so for pleasure and relaxation.

I never knew that making it more challenging to gate camp noobs in low-sec was the death of Eve! Now I know and can plan for the Apocalypse accordingly.

I fail to see how any of these changes make PVP less rewarding. In fact, they should deter people from gate camping and suicide ganking miners and get them into some meaningful, or at least more engaging, PVP. Hell, you might as well mine if you just want to shoot at things that don't shoot back.

I recognize you have to say that, I just thought you might recognize it's silly.

MMO.

And you think one person with thousands of accounts is "healthier".

It's silly beyond reason.

Again, if that dude keeps buying subs at or faster than the rate other people are leaving, you're forced to call it a "growing game".

It's beyond ridiculous.

And yet you'll cling.

'Competing' for a rock of veldspar is just as meaningfully interactive as .01 isk-ing a market order. You stole those sells from the competition you say? So what! You also stole that veldspar rock from anyone who might've wanted it. Is every auctionhouse in every online game PVP now because you bought that magic sparkly pony before someone else did? In EVE we have a fancy market and can do that in both directions, yay!

I've got bad news, resources aren't limited.