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Emily Ray	Posted - 2010.11.09 20:40:00 - [1] The title kindda said everything ... i think it`s time for me to see the Strategic Cruiser powah , atm i can choose between Tengu and Legion ... all i hear is "tengu tengu tengu tengu" , is really Tengu the **** or i should consider training to other SC ? Also , how good a Tengu is for l4 if you compare with CNR / Nighthawk any other BS ? I even saw l5 solo build rated very good ...
Ultim8Evil Ministry Of Eternal Disorder	Posted - 2010.11.09 20:45:00 - [2] Tengu lets you choose damage types. Legion doesn't (unless you lolfit for crappy HAMs). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emily Ray	Posted - 2010.11.09 20:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Ultim8Evil Tengu lets you choose damage types. Legion doesn't (unless you lolfit for crappy HAMs). i see well , then what`s better from those ships : CNR any Amarr / Caldari command ships Tengu
Ultim8Evil Ministry Of Eternal Disorder	Posted - 2010.11.09 20:54:00 - [4] Define "better"? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emily Ray	Posted - 2010.11.09 21:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Emily Ray on 09/11/2010 21:04:07 Originally by: Ultim8Evil Define "better"? well , in terms of safety / DPS , bassically time per mission
Dario Wall	Posted - 2010.11.09 21:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Emily Ray The title kindda said everything ... i think it`s time for me to see the Strategic Cruiser powah , atm i can choose between Tengu and Legion ... all i hear is "tengu tengu tengu tengu" , is really Tengu the **** or i should consider training to other SC ? Also , how good a Tengu is for l4 if you compare with CNR / Nighthawk any other BS ? I even saw l5 solo build rated very good ... The Tengu is seen as the best T3 for missions because of the missile use, and the ability to have a large tank while keeping lows free for damage mods. Compared to a CNR, it will perform fairly similar unless it's a BS heavy mission. The Tengu may be able to kill frigates and cruisers much faster, but it takes a little longer than a CNR to kill BS. I would say the CNR has the advantage though due to the drones, since you can use the drones to kill frigates and cruisers while you use the missiles on the BC and BS spawns.
Ogogov Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.09 21:41:00 - [7] Either way, it's not the Proteus which at best comes out at a very expensive tanky Vexor.
Helmh0ltz	Posted - 2010.11.09 21:52:00 - [8] Tengu is the best and is only marginally worse than the CNR overall. Way better than a Nighthawk. Legion isn't terrible though. My fit does 625 dps with scorch and 5% hardwirings. Less range and damage than a Tengu but still ok, better than a loki or a proteus anyway. ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.09 22:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Helmh0ltz Tengu is the best and is only marginally worse than the CNR overall. Way better than a Nighthawk. Legion isn't terrible though. My fit does 625 dps with scorch and 5% hardwirings. Less range and damage than a Tengu but still ok, better than a loki or a proteus anyway. This.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.09 22:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Emily Ray Edited by: Emily Ray on 09/11/2010 21:04:07 Originally by: Ultim8Evil Define "better"? well , in terms of safety / DPS , bassically time per mission tengu can pretty much permatank most rooms with a reasonably cheap fit, although if you are paying attention the cnr has more that sufficient tank. tengu wins on safety cnr and tengu have almost identical launcher dps, however the cnr can deploy 3 sentries giving it a nice boost, or 5 lights to deal with frigs, also it can pick any damage type. cnr wins on dps on mission complete speed, cnr wins most missions, tengu wins a few caldari/amarr command ships are ignored as well the tengu > nighthawk, and well the other ones pretty much blow for pve.

Christopher AET	Posted - 2010.11.09 23:14:00 - [11] it is very well saying this is better or that is better and while technically true in practice you are best going for the ship which your skills best support. For example the dramiel is regarded as the king of frigs however with my skillset I find the daredevil to be the better ship. Especially it's lolDPS. This train of thought can be applied to any ship so the best PvE t3 is the one you are best skilled for.
KrustyKrab Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.10 10:23:00 - [12] for missions, the Tengu is the best T3. Great tank, good damage (and selectable dmg types), and it is quite versatile beyond just missions. If you are bored of missions and want to do some highsec or even lowsec exploration/plexing, there's not really a better ship than a T3, and the Tengu just does it better. I have a Tengu and a Loki and I love my Loki, but it mainly gets used as a ganglinked gangbooster for pvp (and scans down targets with combat probes, scouts ahead for the gang, etc). Whenever I do lowsec or even null exploration, it is always the Tengu I choose.
Soon Shin	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Soon Shin on 11/11/2010 11:54:01 The legion is really not that great for pve trust me I've flown one long enough to have my subs at all level 5. The tengu is simply much better for pve. The legion's dps is lot lower than indicated when using scorch. At max skills a heavy pulse legion only has a range of 11km and you can only do so much to improve it. With scorch is 34km with a 100 dps lower than using INMF. Most of the time you'll spend burning into the range of scorch for level 4's and especially wormholes as a large number of sleepers like to stay far away from you. The Tengu not only does more dps with Heavy Missiles but has 3-4 times the range. You do 780 dps with tech 2 scourge fury heavy missiles with a range of 98km with my skills. Much better than the 11km with 650 dps and 33km with 550 dps. With Hams the Tengu has nearly 1000 dps with Tech 2 terror rage assault missiles with a 40km range. The Tengu is simply that much better. The Legion is simply poor compared to what the other t3's can do. It is only a slightly better HAC at 5X the cost.
The Newface	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:13:00 - [14] Edited by: The Newface on 11/11/2010 13:12:55 This setup is pretty awesome and no other t3 can beat this for PvE. 718 DPS with t1 missiles and still almost 50k range, if you want to use faction you can get to 826. Its possible to get it higher but you lose some range then. 1032 Def against Kin/term enemies, a speed of 660+ and a sig of 150. Add implants after taste. [Tengu, Tengu: MiniGolem 900dps@49km + TP] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Medium Capacitor Battery II Domination 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Terror Assault Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Terror Assault Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Terror Assault Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Terror Assault Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Terror Assault Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Terror Assault Missile Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Zyress	Posted - 2010.11.11 19:21:00 - [15] Tengu... the ultimate expression of Caldari PVE Technology, nothing touches it, it whips thru level 4's at blinding speeds, I don't fit the drone bay subsystem so I miss the drones a little bit, but my heavy missile skills are good enough to take out rat interceptors anyway.
Aglais Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.11 19:23:00 - [16] Tengu is ridiculous. Not only is it a PvE machine, but if you put HAMs on it it's ****ing scary in PvP too; it's like the Tengu's mission in existance is to make up for the fact that there are so many other inflexible and generally sub-par Caldari ships compared to the ones that are actually good.
Ultim8Evil Ministry Of Eternal Disorder	Posted - 2010.11.11 19:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Aglais Tengu is ridiculous. Not only is it a PvE machine, but if you put HAMs on it it's ****ing scary in PvP too; it's like the Tengu's mission in existance is to make up for the fact that there are so many other inflexible and generally sub-par Caldari ships compared to the ones that are actually good. Yeah. Like the Drake? Or CNR? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zantris	Posted - 2010.11.13 03:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Zantris on 13/11/2010 03:28:34 Originally by: Ultim8Evil Originally by: Aglais Tengu is ridiculous. Not only is it a PvE machine, but if you put HAMs on it it's ****ing scary in PvP too; it's like the Tengu's mission in existance is to make up for the fact that there are so many other inflexible and generally sub-par Caldari ships compared to the ones that are actually good. Yeah. Like the Drake? Or CNR? I like how you name 2 like its an accomplishment. Your basically reiterrating the point your trying to make fun of.
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.13 03:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Zantris Edited by: Zantris on 13/11/2010 03:28:34 Originally by: Ultim8Evil Originally by: Aglais Tengu is ridiculous. Not only is it a PvE machine, but if you put HAMs on it it's ****ing scary in PvP too; it's like the Tengu's mission in existance is to make up for the fact that there are so many other inflexible and generally sub-par Caldari ships compared to the ones that are actually good. Yeah. Like the Drake? Or CNR? I like how you name 2 like its an accomplishment. Your basically reiterrating the point your trying to make fun of. What makes the CNR so impressive?? Best level4 grinder in most space? Wow, that's sweet. And yeah, i tend to agree the tengu was designed OP to make long-term caldari pilots not regret their choice too much.


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