At first, this complaint confused me. Why are you trying to make a business out of ganking in high sec? Why do you think this is a good thing? Why do you care if other people are playing differently than you?

My take on the "I got ganked, I'm quitting" attitude.

At first, this complaint confused me. Why are you thinking that you're safe in high sec? Why do you think a safe place in EVE is a good thing? Why do you care if other people are playing differently than you?


Ganking's just a different style of play. No better or worse than mining. Gankers aren't trying to ban mining (or who would they gank?), or make it impossible to profit from, but miners sure are trying to get ganking banned.

My take on the "I got ganked, I'm quitting" attitude.

At first, this complaint confused me. Why are you thinking that you're safe in high sec? Why do you think a safe place in EVE is a good thing? Why do you care if other people are playing differently than you?


Ganking's just a different style of play. No better or worse than mining. Gankers aren't trying to ban mining (or who would they gank?), or make it impossible to profit from, but miners sure are trying to get ganking banned.

I actually have a deep admiration for people who continue to look for ways to circumvent CONCORD's wrath long enough to pop an unsuspecting miner.

I'm mostly addressing the people who are COMPLAINING that their old method of high sec ganking isn't working anymore and it'll be more expensive.

The current changes make it such that you cannot profitably gank Tanked MLU Mackinaws, so there's no reason to ever use the Skiff (the Mack mines more, tanks enough, and has the cavernous ore hold). There's no reason for the Mackinaw to have a better tank than the Hulk.

The current changes make it such that you cannot profitably gank Tanked MLU Mackinaws, so there's no reason to ever use the Skiff (the Mack mines more, tanks enough, and has the cavernous ore hold). There's no reason for the Mackinaw to have a better tank than the Hulk.

The way I understood it, Procs/Skiffs shouldn't be used in highsec at all now... not that I would mine lowsec, no matter the ship.

If you're caught in low/null in a miner, even in a skiff, you're dead. So no reason to tank it.

If you're caught in low/null in a miner, even in a skiff, you're dead. So no reason to tank it.

At first, this complaint confused me. Why are you trying to make a business out of ganking in high sec? Why do you think this is a good thing? Why do you care if other people are playing differently than you?

But then some part of me called back to my days of being a Dungeon Master and what the root of this could be.

There was always one thing that my dungeon master's guide said that stuck with me. And that was about the party stealing situation. Going by memory, I'll quote:

"When your thief steals from your party, it is more often than not a huge red flag that they aren't getting enough opportunities to flex their skillset. They don't just want to be a fancy locksmith. They want to clever, thieving and practical in far more situations than picking locks."

Similarly, the dungeon master guide that people more often than not won't tell you what they want. Even if they try.

Bringing us back to EVE, why are gankers and pirates so focused on ganking in high and low sec when they can gank without fear of CONCORD and other factors in nullsec?

Well, this comes back to the analogy I was making. Have we considered that null sec is what is broken and not high sec? Right now, nullsec is in a stagnant state. Large alliances have complete dominance and can only compete with each other. Piracy is almost non-existant except in gate camps and suicide ganks. And people with piracy skillsets aren't given enough opportunities to flex their abilities and be a pirate.

I couldn't even begin to pinpoint where or what the problem is with nullsec and how to fix it. But I think we, as a community, need to begin focusing our whine posts where it deserves to be. And let carebears be carebears.

Please tell me if I am right or way off the mark.

Outmoding a ship intended to be useful regardless of how high your skills are is a problem.

But I'm talking about people complaining about carebears, turning high sec into hello kitty online, etc.

Exactlly, but that was the design idea behind the Skiff, nevertheless...

The Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.

Ummmm....

Carebear whining have gotten a couple dozen buffs to HS safety over the years.

Most recently:
Crucible on the whole raised the cost to gank (insurance Nerf + Nados/Dessy buffs resulted in an overall increase in SG costs across the board).
The Boomerang trick got nerfed after years of being legal
Concord's had it's response time buffed a few times
Wardecs got their cost increased tenfold, without any change in Corp Hopping.


There has never been a nerf to HS safety that has not come with a corresponding (and larger) buff to HS safety.

3) Hunters go where the prey are. Hence, the high sec ganking. It's not that pirates LIKE this mode of play. Most don't. But it's the only way for them to access targets.

4) The idea that the situation is the way that it is due to 'over fishing' of targets by pirates: not the case. It's CCP's fault for incorrectly designing the risk/reward system. Players understand the system, and they exploit the rules to their most efficient result. If it were more efficient to be in lowsec, including taking into account the risk of death, they would do it. But CCP has deemed this issue unimportant and has since ignored it.

So, TL,DR: why do we have the situation as it is today? It's CCP's fault for not designing the game correctly.

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This is a problem because null has targets as well. But the pirates are not willing to go to null just like the carebears are not willing to go to low.

I see the pot calling the kettle black. So yes the pirates exploit the rules to their favor as well. By attacking in high sec instead of null. They are afraid of targets that can shoot back.

If most pirates do not like this mode of play then go into null and have your fun.
Oh wait that is not fun is it. It is only fun to shoot at targets that do not shoot back.

This is a problem because null has targets as well. But the pirates are not willing to go to null just like the carebears are not willing to go to low.

I see the pot calling the kettle black. So yes the pirates exploit the rules to their favor as well. By attacking in high sec instead of null. They are afraid of targets that can shoot back.

If most pirates do not like this mode of play then go into null and have your fun.
Oh wait that is not fun is it. It is only fun to shoot at targets that do not shoot back.

So: null has a lousy selection of 'targets'. I can't make money off of killing a fleet of 0.0 blobbers. And I can't make money killing Jump Freighters (because they jump out, duh). And transports etc. are virtually non existent in null. If Jump Freighters didn't exist, there would be more opportunity to attack supply lines and such. But of course, CCP screwed that up. Hence, we're back to suicide ganking in high sec.

As a pirate, I live exclusively off of what I kill. As such, I try and maximize my profits while minimizing my losses. I'm not at war. I don't take territory for the sake of owning it. I don't fight for the sake of the fight. I fight just enough to do the job. No more, no less. Ammo is expensive.

So: null has a lousy selection of 'targets'. I can't make money off of killing a fleet of 0.0 blobbers. And I can't make money killing Jump Freighters (because they jump out, duh). And transports etc. are virtually non existent in null. If Jump Freighters didn't exist, there would be more opportunity to attack supply lines and such. But of course, CCP screwed that up. Hence, we're back to suicide ganking in high sec.

As a pirate, I live exclusively off of what I kill. As such, I try and maximize my profits while minimizing my losses. I'm not at war. I don't take territory for the sake of owning it. I don't fight for the sake of the fight. I fight just enough to do the job. No more, no less. Ammo is expensive.

So: null has a lousy selection of 'targets'. I can't make money off of killing a fleet of 0.0 blobbers. And I can't make money killing Jump Freighters (because they jump out, duh). And transports etc. are virtually non existent in null. If Jump Freighters didn't exist, there would be more opportunity to attack supply lines and such. But of course, CCP screwed that up. Hence, we're back to suicide ganking in high sec.

Yea, that's what it is NOW, but there was an older statement claiming that the "small" barges where geared towards deep space mining... I'll try to dig it up.

Random question, not a pirate. But does warp scrambling prevent jumping?

oh darkfall, how i long for thee (to be without ****** grind)