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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.12 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vox Noctis find a creative way to require at least some concentration from the player and force them to be at the keyboard
Considering there allegedly are even combat-mission-running bots, what exactly would you expect the nature of the "required concentration" to be exactly, and how would you make it NOT perplex genuine users while at the same time seriously throwing a wrench in the works of bot-makers ? _
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Aeternus IV
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Posted - 2010.11.12 05:18:00 -
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CCP cares enough about Macro's and RMT that they'll go after you for it, sometimes even if your innocent and something just looks suspicious...like receive a spam eve-mail from someone who got caught.
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Ejit
Amarr The Ascension
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Posted - 2010.11.12 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The OP never heard of "Unholy Rage", it seems...
Neither have CCP. As clearly it was only a ploy to appease the masses. And make CCP appear to be doing something.
Why has there been nothing since?
Cue conspiracy theorists
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.12 05:34:00 -
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Unbeknownst to many, Akita T is actually an AI construct from the near future, where EVE bots have gone viral to create AkitaNet. Sadly, we do not posses any RL weapons, however, all your pixels are belong to us.
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davet517
M. Corp Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2010.11.12 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: davet517 on 12/11/2010 05:38:12
Originally by: Aelius
RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!!!
Bud, there are three classes of players playing this game. You've got your guys who pay cash. You've got your guys who pay with isk. You've got your guys who pay their rent with cash that they got from selling isk.
The guys who pay with isk sell their isk to the guys who pay with cash because the guys who pay with cash don't have time to grind for isk, and haven't learned how to macro yet. A significant number of the guys who pay with isk don't have time to grind either, so they macro so that they have isk to sell to the guys who pay with cash.
Then there are the guys who pay their rent with cash that they got from selling isk. They mostly control access to resources so they can get the isk to sell for cash to pay the rent from guys who macro to get the isk to buy their plex from the guys who pay with cash so they can play the game. Are you with me so far?
If all of that was confusing, here's the deal. If CCP got too zealous about hunting and banning macros, there'd be a lot less people playing the game, which would cause the people who are left to complain about there being too few people left playing the game, and it'd roll downhill from there.
Until, and unless, you start to see massive inflation (things purchased with isk in game costing a lot more) they're probably not going to get any more serious about hunting macros than they are now.
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Helmh0ltz
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Posted - 2010.11.12 08:19:00 -
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Wow, you are clueless. Here let me lay it out for you nice and slow.
1. There are macros in EVERY GAME!
2. There are more macros in games that have easily macroable tasks.
3. There a lot of easily macroable tasks in EVE.
4. Macroing is enormously profitable, for both the chinese farmers, the haxxors who sell the macro programs and the players who buy the macro programs and use them.
5. As per above, the profit to be gained by macroing greatly outweighs the potential loss of having said macroing account banned.
6. Therefore there will always be people macroing and they will always start a new hulk/ratter/courier macroing account whenever you ban them. It's like playing macro whack-a-mole.
7. So, STFU and be glad EVE isn't like Silkroad Online a.k.a. the only MMO that has no human players.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.11.12 09:00:00 -
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CCP should provide Full Disclosure. Remember who owns everything in the game..
Tell us who are macros, where the isk/assets or however they launder it is going to. Post a list once a month. Flag'em. Kill Rights to everyone.
Lets expose the characters/corps/alliances that partcipate in this activity.
Expose the characters you know of that bought isk on RMT sites.
What better way to handle the problem in this manner then in the sandbox world of EVE. Who better to give the power to cast judgement and eradicate them than with the player-base themselves.
I'm sure a signficant portion of the EVE population would enjoy showing their own 'Unholy Rage' if given the chance to do so. Don't ban them. Mark them. Keep collecting their monthly sub, and let the player base handle them.
Want war and boom and explosions and crazy **** going on in both Null and High sec..
Here's your answer, CCP.
Full Disclosure.
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the 9999
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Posted - 2010.11.12 09:24:00 -
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Just report them and ccp Does deal with them
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Memorya
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Posted - 2010.11.12 11:16:00 -
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Macro bot's provide real $$$ for CCP. So.... no no to banning it seems. ------------------------ "English is a funny language; that explains why we park our car on the driveway and drive our car on the parkway."
English is my 5th. Language.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.12 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Memorya
Macro bot's provide real $$$ for CCP. So.... no no to banning it seems.
Indeed. Macro users are also paying customers!
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Yasri Khana
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Posted - 2010.11.12 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 14:59:40
Originally by: Aelius
Originally by: Akita T The OP never heard of "Unholy Rage", it seems...
WRONG! I know what it is... better what it WAS... Common do they really need to wait until they have amassed 6000 cheaters to ban them?! unless its for the "Publicity Stunt" effect. Cheaters in EVE should be banned every day not only in "unholy rages".
Oh, yeah, I am sorry... it appears you heard about it... and you simply just don't have a clue about the details of how or why it's done that way, and exactly what "that way" is to begin with. The "unholy rage" thing was NOT a one-time thing, it is still ongoing. Also, sometimes, they will delay banning for certain accounts in order to uncover more of the "network" of which macro users are just A PART OF, so they can ban the whole mess in one move. Suffice to say, yes, they ARE banning every day, and every now and again, they do mass bannings whenever enough evidence has gathered on a larger group of "maybe yes, maybe no" accounts.
So basically you're just complaining that they don't do a PERFECT job or a fast enough job for your taste. You know what ? Frak you.
Have any proof of that? Over time I have reported dozens of very obvious macroers (not the "he doesn't accept my convo so he must be macro"), nothing ever happened to them.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.12 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/11/2010 14:12:30
Originally by: Yasri Khana Over time I have reported dozens of very obvious macroers (not the "he doesn't accept my convo so he must be macro"), nothing ever happened to them.
The better question is, are all the ones you reported half a year to nine months ago still there ? Because one of the methods CCP has admitted using is to observe reported macro/bot users for a good while, then ban not just that account but also related "culpable" ones found out during the investigation. From that standpoint, the work of GMs investigating EULA breakers is quite similar to that of policemen.
Now that I think about it, complaints from the player base to CCP regarding the work of those GMs sounds awfully familiar to the RL complaints of disgruntled people about the RL policemen...
"I called the tip line about this shady-looking fellow that sells drugs on the street corner one month ago, but I keep seeing him every day, the police is doing nothing about drug dealers !"
Sound familiar ?!? _
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Killitt
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Posted - 2010.11.12 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 17:17:14
Originally by: Zeke Mobius ccp dev alt spotted
Ah, if only CCP would give me a GTC every time I see that posted... Oh, and the times where "ccp dev alt" is replaced by "BoB//IT alt" or "Goon alt" or "NC alt" or "<some other group" alt"...
Perhaps you should take notice Akita. I've seen your post's for years, and I can say, without any hesitation that you are indeed a C.C.P shill. You get hysterical on yet another thread that points to a problem that could be handled far better by C.C.P.
Instead of mindlessly defending your co-workers in C.C.P., Maybe you could see the macro issue as a game killer and offer solutions. Telling us all here that they are doing the best they can, insults us all, as anyone in game could tell you. I do however understand that there are few macro farmers on the forumns...which may be why you do not see it as a big enough deal. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.12 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/11/2010 14:46:43
Originally by: Killitt I've seen your post's for years, and I can say, without any hesitation that you are indeed a C.C.P shill.[...blablabla...]
Ah, yes, out of countless posts and countless opinions, all you remember are those very few where I sided with CCP's decision, or maybe acknowledged that the alternatives CCP dismissed were not noticeably better... how wonderful cognitive biases can be !!! I suppose you totally missed the other extreme completely somehow, the ones where I scream at CCP staff for being incompetent or lazy, for screwing up the economy by such knee-jerk changes that having a monkey throwing doodoo at a chart in order to determine the proper balance would have probably yielded a better result, for taking ages to fix trivial things that would not even begin to need "testing and auditing", and so on and so forth. Yup, selective memory FTW as far as you're concerned.
Oh, you mean because I don't pick a single side but choose to have separate opinions on each and every issue, you get to pick only the issues you disagree with me about ? Frak you, then.
Quote: Instead of mindlessly defending [...] C.C.P., Maybe you could see the macro issue as a game killer and offer solutions.
Why exactly should I see the "macro issue" as a "game killer" ? From my standpoint it's somewhat disturbing and/or annoying, but certainly nowhere near "game killer" level, not yet and not in the near future. I personally am relatively convinced there are no other clear-cut better solutions, and that's what I am saying... so how exactly should I come up and offer any ? If YOU think there are other solutions except those being used already, feel free to try to come up with some, because I am convinced they do not exist, and whatever "solution" you try to implement, it will end up in a situation that's arguably worse than the current one. And no, "hire many more people" is NOT a solution.
The current "solution" is to investigate all reports akin to how a RL police force investigates RL crime, and when enough evidence is gathered against whoever the alleged culprit is, they also become judge, prosecutor, defending lawyer, jury and executioner at the same time. It's easy for you to say "oh, just ban them"... but that is unacceptable.
It's not exactly fair to ask of them to do much more than they already do, because they already do a hard and nasty enough work anyway. When you're both the investigator and the jury, you just can not afford to make any mistakes, so "innocent until PROVEN guilty" and "guilty beyond ANY reasonable DOUBT" are the two most important things they have to consider at all times.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:05:00 -
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Personally I am glad there are macro-miners, they keep low end minerals and ice products at low prices which helps me. I couldn't care less that real players can't make ISK mining Trit since that's survival of the fittest and if you can't find a way to make ISK rather than mining low ends then frankly you aren't fit for this game.
I am also glad macros run fedex missions as that keeps the implant prices down.
Lastly I think that of all the accounts that pay a monthly fee between 30-40% are macroers so CCP really needs those accounts to stay in business.
Overall I see no reason to remove macroers from the game. |
Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai Personally I am glad there are macro-miners, they keep low end minerals and ice products at low prices which helps me. I couldn't care less that real players can't make ISK mining Trit since that's survival of the fittest and if you can't find a way to make ISK rather than mining low ends then frankly you aren't fit for this game.
I am also glad macros run fedex missions as that keeps the implant prices down.
Lastly I think that of all the accounts that pay a monthly fee between 30-40% are macroers so CCP really needs those accounts to stay in business.
Overall I see no reason to remove macroers from the game.
Troll or idiot, I can't decide, care to post more so I can decide which.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres Troll or idiot, I can't decide, care to post more so I can decide which.
Right back at you, because from your highly detail response it's hard to tell which one you are. The bottom line is that macroers are good for the game because they consistently and reliably do things that human players cba to do. Macroers in EVE are basically like China IRL. Yes, you can rage on and on about how you don't like them one way or another but the majority of your IRL stuff is made in China and you love it because it didn't cost much.
On me personally macroers have no negative effect at all, their effect on what I do is 100% positive so why is it that I should be upset about them? |
heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:40:00 -
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I never accept convos when im playing so am i a macro ? Some really stupid suggestions on how to catch macros, i want them out too but until we find a way to prove it, its not gonna happen.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:07:00 -
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Macro?
POLO!
What CCP needs to do to fix this is to forcefully disconnect anyone in a mining ship or non-covert-ops, but cloaked, for more than 15mins and not let them back into the game for 5 mins.
There we go, no side affects here what-so-ever ..
.. Free the Macro'er, for they ultimately supply the cheapest ships!
Hoppit!
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Rubet Gold
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:15:00 -
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OMG, the worst ones, are the AFK Macro Cloakers, the Macro logs them on at Uptime, takes them to a safe spot in a low sec zone where people want to mine, then cloaks!!!
Pure terrorists I tell ya, we need to get Homeland Security involved.
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VikingSkepp
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: VikingSkepp on 12/11/2010 19:35:15 Looks like it's just about time for another Hulkageddon.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.12 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: Banana Torres Troll or idiot, I can't decide, care to post more so I can decide which.
Right back at you, because from your highly detail response it's hard to tell which one you are. The bottom line is that macroers are good for the game because they consistently and reliably do things that human players cba to do. Macroers in EVE are basically like China IRL. Yes, you can rage on and on about how you don't like them one way or another but the majority of your IRL stuff is made in China and you love it because it didn't cost much.
On me personally macroers have no negative effect at all, their effect on what I do is 100% positive so why is it that I should be upset about them?
Idiot.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.12 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres Idiot.
Thank you for your comment, rest assured that it will receive the appropriate attention. |
Starlight Twilight
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Posted - 2010.11.13 03:28:00 -
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I believe CCP only cares about macro users if they are being used to generate ISK for real money Star Light Star bright, The first star I see tonight, I wish I may, I wish I might, Have the wish I wish tonight. I wish for chocolate! |
Selinate
Amarr Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.11.13 04:28:00 -
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Well I'm not sure if CCP cares or not, but I know I certainly don't give 2 shakes of a racoon's bum about it.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.13 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: Banana Torres Troll or idiot, I can't decide, care to post more so I can decide which.
Right back at you, because from your highly detail response it's hard to tell which one you are. The bottom line is that macroers are good for the game because they consistently and reliably do things that human players cba to do. Macroers in EVE are basically like China IRL. Yes, you can rage on and on about how you don't like them one way or another but the majority of your IRL stuff is made in China and you love it because it didn't cost much.
On me personally macroers have no negative effect at all, their effect on what I do is 100% positive so why is it that I should be upset about them?
if you aint trolling i will be surprised..
and if you aint, you'r a complete ****wit.
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Nergart
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.13 13:11:00 -
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imho, macro miners and such dont really bother me, with them there is lots of resources about and this helps keep the cost of things down, remove them and the prices will go up.
im a miner, but i also work in manufacturing, so i like the cheap prices, if no macro miners, then more ppl will mine and so would I so thats a good part, but would make manufacturing more expensive.
fair enough its cheating yes, and if CCP find away to police this with does not infrige on genuine miners, fantastic. I dont know if this can happen though.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.13 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja if you aint trolling i will be surprised..
and if you aint, you'r a complete ****wit.
Oh ... yet another valuable contribution to the discussion, almost got the spelling right too, props.
Other than that, feel free to present an argument if you are actually able to focus long enough to come up with a coherent thought and type it out, which I doubt but then again stranger things have happened.
Once again, since you do seem to be a bit slow; Whatever macroers do benefits me directly, so why is it that you want me to be upset about them? |
Aelius
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.11.13 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 13/11/2010 23:57:17 We can all agree that CCP isn't doing it's best to clean EVE from this trash. And no matter what you say Akita T that is the truth... unless you have inside information about how CCP handles with macroers... perhaps CCP uses the "James Bond" method instead of the "Police" method... or might even be the "Turtle Ninjas" method or "Batman" method...
I think we all have seen what method they are currently using... it's the "Get Smart" method, where they are smart enough to realize that 1 paid account is 1 paid account, macros or no macros.
And common... it's as hard to detect macros in EVE as aim bots in Call of Duty... No matter what u do you will always end up taking an "head shot".... hummm lets see how hard it is...... i enter local raven warps to pos the same second, i exit local and the raven warps to belt, i enter local raven warps off to pos... fast foward 24 to 48 hours.... \0/ he is still there (him and 1000 wrecks)... thank god for red bull and caffeine... poor guy he must be so tired that he even refuses to talk with me via chat.
So Akita T you are, or either a macro user, a guy with CCP inside info, a troll or forum-self-appointed-pseudo-intellectual. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines |
Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.14 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius >8 snip 8<
Exactly. Botters are also paying customers. That it's cheating apparently isn't that important.
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