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Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:48:00 - [1] Originally by: From EULA 7. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game: 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4. You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators. 5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale. CCP do you care about your own EULA?! Care to read it?! It's vastly common knowledge that petitioning someone in clear use of a Macro is a waste of time. Why CCP?! Aren't you obliged to investigate the petition issued by players that witness this every day at every hour?! Aren't you forced to act upon it banning those cheaters?! Or is the "we don't care because they are paying subscription" policy more attractive to you?! Players ratting 24/7, players mining 24/7, players running couriers 24/7, players running buy orders 24/7... always the same char... always the same drill... over and over like a mindless robot... open convo with them and ear the excruciating sound of silence... the sound of a cheater. CCP actually how many petitions are acted upon? how many of these cheaters banned? Do GM's even bother to enter their Polaris ship, get inside that system and investigate? Macroers are everywhere, like cancer, spreading with more and more mindless alts... Why doesn't the CSM even bring this up on meetings?! Ask CCP numbers of what is being done... if anything is... Now i know that i won't receive any answer here from CCP, because they don't care... or do you CCP?! _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Armas Lankku	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:57:00 - [2] Originally by: Aelius SNIPdo you careSNIP i do, does that make you feel better
Obsession Paranoia	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:01:00 - [3] There has to be some in Low-Sec. Go blow them up.
Namira Incendie Minmatar Valor Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Obsession Paranoia There has to be some in Low-Sec. Go blow them up. I would not be surprised to find that there are more macros running PvE content in lowsec (0.1-0.4) than there are active players running PvE content. It's pretty bad, but then they give me locks of wrecks to quickly check for faction loot/salvage and hauler spawns.
Dr Evader	Posted - 2010.11.11 13:56:00 - [5] Edited by: Dr Evader on 11/11/2010 13:56:25 Originally by: Aelius Macroers are everywhere, like cancer, spreading with more and more mindless alts... They're not cancer, CCP is using them as a kind of KI-Ships... it brings "life" into EVE and also money to CCP. The best part about it is, they only require a small percentage of the cpu power that real KI-Ships would require
heheheh Phoenix Club	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:02:00 - [6] Now im not supporting them in any way, shape or form, they are supposedly doing exactly what the EULA claims to do. In order for CCP to ban an account because of botting, it has to be 100% sure that this is the case. There is no way for some reason, that it is possible to prove 100% that they are bots. This is the only reason they dont get banned.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:08:00 - [7] The OP never heard of "Unholy Rage", it seems... _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Akita T The OP never heard of "Unholy Rage", it seems... WRONG! I know what it is... better what it WAS... Common do they really need to wait until they have amassed 6000 cheaters to ban them?! unless its for the "Publicity Stunt" effect. Cheaters in EVE should be banned every day not only in "unholy rages". _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:26:00 - [9] Originally by: heheheh Now im not supporting them in any way, shape or form, they are supposedly doing exactly what the EULA claims to do. In order for CCP to ban an account because of botting, it has to be 100% sure that this is the case. There is no way for some reason, that it is possible to prove 100% that they are bots. This is the only reason they dont get banned. Nice try but it doesn't fly. CCP can quite easily check the account activity. If an account is logged in 23/7 ratting (hello AAA Citizens in Stain) then its picking up bounties/standing. This is recorded. So the option is that you're either botting or account sharing. Both are banstick offences.
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:26:00 - [10] i smell a massively article being written about ccp and them not caring about botting/macros... who gives a **** about unholy rage that happened so long ago whose accounts were replaced the second they were effin banned,,,,,

Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Zeke Mobius i smell a massively article being written about ccp and them not caring about botting/macros... who gives a **** about unholy rage that happened so long ago whose accounts were replaced the second they were effin banned,,,,, Just like the ones that would be replaced if they banned them now. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:30:00 - [12] Originally by: heheheh Now im not supporting them in any way, shape or form, they are supposedly doing exactly what the EULA claims to do. In order for CCP to ban an account because of botting, it has to be 100% sure that this is the case. There is no way for some reason, that it is possible to prove 100% that they are bots. This is the only reason they dont get banned. Is that hard to for a GM to request convos with those guys while their ship is performing actions only an human should do... like warp... Even better make it a convo warning a legit player cant miss, like a pop up window with large red letters saying "WARNING. A GM just requested a conversation with you... ignoring this may lead to ban" _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Zeke Mobius i smell a massively article being written about ccp and them not caring about botting/macros... who gives a **** about unholy rage that happened so long ago whose accounts were replaced the second they were effin banned,,,,, Just like the ones that would be replaced if they banned them now. Yeah they would create new ones but then they would need to train the chars at least at some extent (ie: if ratting in 0.0) that will cost them time and money, and this is what hurts them most (time+money). _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:57:00 - [14] OP needs to go down to the Lowes soler system near placid region and stat blowing up all the macro haulers that go through that system to relive some rage issues.... Good luck, as the macro haulers are never ending down there!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 14:59:00 - [15] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 14:59:40 Originally by: Aelius Originally by: Akita T The OP never heard of "Unholy Rage", it seems... WRONG! I know what it is... better what it WAS... Common do they really need to wait until they have amassed 6000 cheaters to ban them?! unless its for the "Publicity Stunt" effect. Cheaters in EVE should be banned every day not only in "unholy rages". Oh, yeah, I am sorry... it appears you heard about it... and you simply just don't have a clue about the details of how or why it's done that way, and exactly what "that way" is to begin with. The "unholy rage" thing was NOT a one-time thing, it is still ongoing. Also, sometimes, they will delay banning for certain accounts in order to uncover more of the "network" of which macro users are just A PART OF, so they can ban the whole mess in one move. Suffice to say, yes, they ARE banning every day, and every now and again, they do mass bannings whenever enough evidence has gathered on a larger group of "maybe yes, maybe no" accounts. So basically you're just complaining that they don't do a PERFECT job or a fast enough job for your taste. You know what ? Frak you. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
EddiMurfy	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 14:59:40 Originally by: Aelius Originally by: Akita T The OP never heard of "Unholy Rage", it seems... WRONG! I know what it is... better what it WAS... Common do they really need to wait until they have amassed 6000 cheaters to ban them?! unless its for the "Publicity Stunt" effect. Cheaters in EVE should be banned every day not only in "unholy rages". Oh, yeah, I am sorry... it appears you heard about it... and you simply just don't have a clue about the details of how or why it's done that way, and exactly what "that way" is to begin with. The "unholy rage" thing was NOT a one-time thing, it is still ongoing. Also, sometimes, they will delay banning for certain accounts in order to uncover more of the "network" of which macro users are just A PART OF, so they can ban the whole mess in one move. Suffice to say, yes, they ARE banning every day, and every now and again, they do mass bannings whenever enough evidence has gathered on a larger group of "maybe yes, maybe no" accounts. So basically you're just complaining that they don't do a PERFECT job or a fast enough job for your taste. You know what ? Frak you. im conviced your a ccp dev alt or are paid by ccp to post crap you do that licks ccp butt
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/11/2010 15:18:34 Originally by: EddiMurfy im conviced your a ccp dev alt or are paid by ccp to post crap you do that licks ccp butt So which game company pays you to lick there junk by whining on the EVE O forum? -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:40:00 - [18] Originally by: EddiMurfy im conviced your a ccp dev alt or are paid by ccp to post crap you do that licks ccp butt And I'm now convinced you're an idiot. Yay ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.11 15:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Akita T The OP never heard of "Unholy Rage", it seems... A one-off event that was a long time ago. It was good at the time, but doing it just once isn't of no long term use. The sad fact is that EVE is once again over-run with macros. I have always been hardcore antimacro, but the fact is, there seems to be no penalty for running bots as long as you're not RMTing. CCP like to pretend that macros = RMT, but that's not the case. This means, very simply, that those of us who dont cheat by using macros are left at a huge disadvantage vs those who do. We can't match their income or their resources because CCP dont enforce their own rules. Given that they seem indifferent to massive-scale, blatantly obvious macro operations (Ingunn, Drone macro ratters, Stain macros, ice belt macros etc etc etc), can anyone explain why I should care any more than they appear to do? Or why I shouldn't run a couple of macrobots so that I too can afford to compete against people who can afford supercaps as easily as I can afford a carrier?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:22:00 - [20] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 16:25:47 Are some macros/bots going to get away with it ? Sure. SOME might. Are some accounts that use macros/bots going to last longer not banned as long as they're NOT involved in RMT ? Most likely yes. Can you honestly claim you are certain enough that if you use a macro/bot and not engage in RMT you will be pretty much as good as perfectly safe from banning ? I somehow doubt that. Hey, if YOU think you can run a few macros without getting caught, why don't you do it ? And don't give me the junk about "being ethical" or whatnot else similar to that. It's because you're not sure enough you WOULDN'T get caught and banned because of it, because you're not willing to take the chance that CCP actually DOES enough against macros and bots, because you're not willing to lose accounts just because you thought you might get away with it. Let me repeat that : if you are absolutely CERTAIN that CCP does NOTHING about macros/bots as long as they're not involved in RMT, then feel free to use some by yourself, and then see if your account still exists one or two years later. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Akita T Hey, if YOU think you can run a few macros without getting caught, why don't you do it ? And don't give me the junk about "being ethical" or whatnot else similar to that. It's because you're not sure enough you WOULDN'T get caught and banned because of it, because you're not willing to take the chance that CCP actually DOES enough against macros and bots, because you're not willing to lose accounts just because you thought you might get away with it. What a total arse you are. Some of us don't see the point of cheating at GAMES. You obviously aren't one of them.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Othran Originally by: Akita T Hey, if YOU think you can run a few macros without getting caught, why don't you do it ? And don't give me the junk about "being ethical" or whatnot else similar to that. It's because you're not sure enough you WOULDN'T get caught and banned because of it, because you're not willing to take the chance that CCP actually DOES enough against macros and bots, because you're not willing to lose accounts just because you thought you might get away with it. What a total arse you are. Some of us don't see the point of cheating at GAMES. You obviously aren't one of them. Um, you do realize you missed the whole point of that post right? Basically, it was the poster saying that if the OP feels so strongly that CCP isn't banning macro users, then try it yourself and see what happens, with the implied hint thatthe OP would get banned for using macros. In other words, the poster was saying the OP was full of it!
Lady Aja Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Dr Evader Edited by: Dr Evader on 11/11/2010 13:56:25 Originally by: Aelius Macroers are everywhere, like cancer, spreading with more and more mindless alts... They're not cancer, CCP is using them as a kind of KI-Ships... it brings "life" into EVE and also money to CCP. The best part about it is, they only require a small percentage of the cpu power that real KI-Ships would require this is NOT the case,. In the case of magnate macro'ers they use 14 day trial accounts to run courior missions. i have 12+ in my hi sec pocke and i cant do **** about it. seems using trial accounts to farm fresh sec status or other exploits is illegal, yet they allow rmt'ers to thrive on trial accounts.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:33:00 - [24] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 16:34:51 nvm, somebody else covered it already _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Aelius Originally by: heheheh Now im not supporting them in any way, shape or form, they are supposedly doing exactly what the EULA claims to do. In order for CCP to ban an account because of botting, it has to be 100% sure that this is the case. There is no way for some reason, that it is possible to prove 100% that they are bots. This is the only reason they dont get banned. Is that hard to for a GM to request convos with those guys while their ship is performing actions only an human should do... like warp... Even better make it a convo warning a legit player cant miss, like a pop up window with large red letters saying "WARNING. A GM just requested a conversation with you... ignoring this may lead to ban" Yeah that would work so well when you're sitting in a belt ice mining and go afk for a few minutes or half an hour. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Um, you do realize you missed the whole point of that post right? Basically, it was the poster saying that if the OP feels so strongly that CCP isn't banning macro users, then try it yourself and see what happens, with the implied hint thatthe OP would get banned for using macros. In other words, the poster was saying the OP was full of it! Bollox it was. It was Akita T replying to Malcanis. Nothing more, nothing less.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Othran Bollox it was. It was Akita T replying to Malcanis. Nothing more, nothing less. And me "just replying to him, nothing more, nothing less" _without_ doing any of my usual "quote and reply point by point" thing so totally means I was really, truly only replying to him, and him alone, as opposed to replying both to him and the OP or whole thread in general, amirite?!? So let me repeat that YET AGAIN... if you are really absolutely convinced CCP does absolutely nothing about non-RMT macros or bots, go wild and use some... I'll be here safe in the "not breaking the EULA" box waiting for you to eventually get banned. If you post in here after a couple of years with "ha, ha, I've been gathering mounds upon mounds of ISK from using macros and bots and CCP didn't ban me"... well, then I'll accept defeat on this particular issue... but you won't do that for fear of being banned anyway based on your then-admission. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Aelius Originally by: heheheh Now im not supporting them in any way, shape or form, they are supposedly doing exactly what the EULA claims to do. In order for CCP to ban an account because of botting, it has to be 100% sure that this is the case. There is no way for some reason, that it is possible to prove 100% that they are bots. This is the only reason they dont get banned. Is that hard to for a GM to request convos with those guys while their ship is performing actions only an human should do... like warp... Even better make it a convo warning a legit player cant miss, like a pop up window with large red letters saying "WARNING. A GM just requested a conversation with you... ignoring this may lead to ban" Yeah that would work so well when you're sitting in a belt ice mining and go afk for a few minutes or half an hour. Or you're in the middle of a fight - that would be super awesome. --Vel
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.11 16:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Othran Bollox it was. It was Akita T replying to Malcanis. Nothing more, nothing less. So let me repeat that YET AGAIN... if you are really absolutely convinced CCP does absolutely nothing about non-RMT macros or bots, go wild and use some... I'll be here safe in the "not breaking the EULA" box waiting for you to eventually get banned. If you post in here after a couple of years with "ha, ha, I've been gathering mounds upon mounds of ISK from using macros and bots and CCP didn't ban me"... well, then I'll accept defeat on this particular issue... but you won't do that for fear of being banned anyway based on your then-admission. See there you go again, trying to impose your viewpoint on me. You don't cheat because of the risk, its quite obvious from what you've said over time (god knows you post enough). Lets make it clear : I DON'T CHEAT BECAUSE ITS POINTLESS, IF YOU NEED TO CHEAT YOU'VE FAILED. ITS A GAME, NOT LIFE! I don't honestly give a toss what CCP do or don't do. If you take a trip out of your comfort zone and wander then you'll see the same people doing the same thing month after month, year after year. There's a guy in AAA Citizens for example who has done nothing other than lose the same fit of Raven in the same system (4 jumps from DSS) for 2 YEARS! No other activity at all, no contracts, nothing. He's been petitioned to my sure and certain knowledge 9 times. Nothing happened. So don't give us this nonsense when we can see with our own eyes what's going on. All may be well in your little corner of Eve but it sure as hell isn't elsewhere.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Othran I DON'T CHEAT BECAUSE ITS POINTLESS, IF YOU NEED TO CHEAT YOU'VE FAILED. ITS A GAME, NOT LIFE! If it's pointless to cheat, why do you care others do cheat ? Quote: I don't honestly give a toss what CCP do or don't do. What you say and how you react are at odds. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _



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