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Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2010.12.10 22:56:00 - [121] Originally by: Nergart imho, macro miners and such dont really bother me, with them there is lots of resources about and this helps keep the cost of things down, remove them and the prices will go up. But if there were no macro miners, then mineral prices will go up until they reach a point where real human playes can be arsed to suck them out of asteroids, and so a new equilibrium has been reached. Fears that if macro'ers were stopped completely, prices would increase to an extreme degree, are unfounded. EVE's market is much too transparent for that, and many of the players have a truly capitalistic approach to things. -- Salpad
Open Orifice	Posted - 2010.12.10 22:58:00 - [122] The solution to this is simple: 1). Ban every single account in EVE, all of them, every one... 2). Don't let anyone start a new account for 2 years. Problem solved...
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.11 00:21:00 - [123] CCP is never going to deal with bots/macro mining, because it costs them many paying customers if they do. They purposely look the other way. There's only one real solution to it: ban Russia; in its entirety. That would stop almost all botting instantly (and would severely weaken Pandemic Legion too, no doubt). Never gonna happen, of course. CCP is never going to rob their own wallet. It would be nice if CCP actually did something about it, though. --
Dirk Swan	Posted - 2010.12.11 06:27:00 - [124] CCP stop macro users!!
Rex Garvin	Posted - 2010.12.11 07:44:00 - [125] CCP stop macro users!
Parsee789	Posted - 2010.12.11 07:56:00 - [126] One reason for macros is that some of the tasks are so repetitive simple and monotonous that macros are becoming increasingly coming. I mean would you pay to play a game where you right-click menu and select for most of the things you do in order to react the more exciting parts of the game? Probably not.
CRA5HD0WN Caldari Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.11 09:47:00 - [127] I'm typing in Orange. I haven't read every page but a few solutions in thought: * Macro miners pay off their own subscription with ingame currency (this isn't the problem) cause they macro mine so much to do so * Introduce harsher NPC pirate warp in's that bump away or, disrupt mining modules that require reactivation and relock. * Drift asteroid fields so they never stay in the spot you first warped to, moving or "orbiting" so it's always a course correction in range * You hire SANSHA players for Incursions, hire police CONCORD players to personally investigate fields and spawn NPCs for RPG purposes to extinguish macros. CCP you either do these options or the prior options, or I'm further dissatisfied with my subscription knowing that you let macros slide for years like this cause you think there is a gain in you're wealth, infact it damages the ingame economy..makes it entirely a pointless economy.
Jaqel Broadside	Posted - 2010.12.11 10:06:00 - [128] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 17:14:36 Originally by: Othran I DON'T CHEAT BECAUSE ITS POINTLESS, IF YOU NEED TO CHEAT YOU'VE FAILED. ITS A GAME, NOT LIFE! If it's pointless to cheat, why do you care others do cheat ? I mean, they're already "failures" in your eyes, what do you care ? I have more ISK than you do, and I obtained it in perfect obeisance to the EULA. Somebody else sells PLEX to get ISK. He has more ISK too. None of us have broken the EULA. Are you mad at any of us for having more ISK ? Is your gameplay enjoyment diminished by the fact any of us has more ISK than you do ? Then why is somebody that pays an extra account and uses it in a way you would find dull and boring getting more ISK irk you so much ? Is it just because his method is against the EULA ? Then it's not YOUR problem, it's CCP's problem. Why do you make it yours ? Quote: I don't honestly give a toss what CCP do or don't do. What you say and how you react are at odds. Originally by: Othran There's a guy in AAA Citizens for example who has done nothing other than lose the same fit of Raven in the same system (4 jumps from DSS) for 2 YEARS! No other activity at all, no contracts, nothing. He's been petitioned to my sure and certain knowledge 9 times. Nothing happened. So don't give us this nonsense when we can see with our own eyes what's going on. So how can you be 100% certain he's really a macro/bot user ? For all you know, it could be somebody's alt, and that's just his way of making ISK. Which obviously works just fine for him, since he keeps doing it since 2 years ago. And he doesn't care what others think or say to him or anything like that. Some people AFK-mine, other people AFK-rat. Yes, the most likely answer really is that he does use a macro/bot. But you can't be absolutely sure he is. There's a chance he might not be. Akita quit the game already, simple as that. The reason the Eula is protect ALL aspects of the game. The reason is simple obvious and quite frankly you have no right to deride what others find is their forte and they have spent real life money on as a career in Eve. You may find it boring or even suppose it is boring - other have made it their carrer path and have paid good money to do it. How would you like it if YOUR much vaunted ISK earning revenues were being hit or if you were being attacked by a PvP corporation funding itself with alts which were botters. I am 100% sick to death of this crap. Because of the blatant utter disregard of the bleeding obvious the people who do follow the Eula are paying for a game which quite frankly doesnt exist. Some people AFK mine, some people AFK rat,,,, you're having a laugh. Your an idiot, a complete and utter fool justifying making a fool out of people who pay for this game. Those macro mining, macro ratting and macro marketing have already destroyed this game. I guess you already know this and already know why and how - otherwise you wouldn't be so blatant. Make this thread a sticky already and let's start posting all the muppets who are using macros, it doesnt take long to spot the obvious ones. Akita shove your provocative comments where the sun don't shine.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.12.11 10:27:00 - [129] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 11/12/2010 10:36:23 Originally by: Jaqel Broadside The reason the Eula is protect ALL aspects of the game. Breaking the EULA is a risk-vs-reward decision just as everything in EVE. And as Akita said - if you are so certain that you can use macros without getting punished, then go ahead and use them. The rest of us are too scared of losing their accounts because we think that maybe CCP does actually ban botters every now and then. But if you are willing to take the risk, then you're welcome to reap the rewards. I don't quite understand why you are so angry... Nothing really new has come to light during the past few days. CCP's decision to remove the insurance floor did hurt your mineral prices in a much more direct way than the evil botters. Why so mad? I have the suspicion that many people on this forum use botters as the standard explanation for any recent development they didn't like. PLEX prices go up - it's the botters. Mineral prices go down - it's the mining bots. PI prices go up - oh wait... we'll have to find a way to blame this on the market bots. However, just because massive botting has come to your attention only now (really? have you been blind all this time?) doesn't mean that botting has massively increased during the last few months. Correlation is not causation but in this case you don't even know if there is a correlation. (and just because the rules exist does not imply that CCP has to enforce them - people share accounts all the time and it gets ignored by CCP unless conflicts over ownership arise or the account has obviously been sold for RL money; some rules simply exist to give CCP the possibility to use them to resolve conflicts)
DK Metz Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.11 11:42:00 - [130] 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game This paragrapfh is out of date tbh.. alot of users have g15 / g19 keyboards. now are ccp gonna ban all of us using the keyboard ? cause i think many have something setup on those G keys... start banning say like 1000 players minimum for having a damn nice keyboard.. LOL fix the EULA: ________________________________ Radio for YOU Elder eve player. My mom met a jove!

Tom Fulleride	Posted - 2010.12.11 12:54:00 - [131] Edited by: Tom Fulleride on 11/12/2010 13:01:21 Edited by: Tom Fulleride on 11/12/2010 12:59:50 Edited by: Tom Fulleride on 11/12/2010 12:58:22 Originally by: Cyaxares II Edited by: Cyaxares II on 11/12/2010 10:36:23 Originally by: Jaqel Broadside The reason the Eula is protect ALL aspects of the game. Breaking the EULA is a risk-vs-reward decision just as everything in EVE. And as Akita said - if you are so certain that you can use macros without getting punished, then go ahead and use them. The rest of us are too scared of losing their accounts because we think that maybe CCP does actually ban botters every now and then. But if you are willing to take the risk, then you're welcome to reap the rewards. I don't quite understand why you are so angry... Nothing really new has come to light during the past few days. CCP's decision to remove the insurance floor did hurt your mineral prices in a much more direct way than the evil botters. Why so mad? I have the suspicion that many people on this forum use botters as the standard explanation for any recent development they didn't like. PLEX prices go up - it's the botters. Mineral prices go down - it's the mining bots. PI prices go up - oh wait... we'll have to find a way to blame this on the market bots. However, just because massive botting has come to your attention only now (really? have you been blind all this time?) doesn't mean that botting has massively increased during the last few months. Correlation is not causation but in this case you don't even know if there is a correlation. (and just because the rules exist does not imply that CCP has to enforce them - people share accounts all the time and it gets ignored by CCP unless conflicts over ownership arise or the account has obviously been sold for RL money; some rules simply exist to give CCP the possibility to use them to resolve conflicts) /agree While suspected market bots can get on my nerves, the automation of ratting/mining/0.01 is inevitable under the current game-play mechanics. With the advances in computing for the visually impaired, bots have become frighteningly sophisticated. For example, you say removing local will help? I bet a script is more efficient at checking the dscanner every "x" seconds for a new ship than a human. they'd still be safer than being at the computer, as the script doesn't get distracted. The covert cloak argument is pretty irrelevant as it affects both parties, botter and not, equally. Rules are in place to manipulate the risk/reward decisions we make in and out of game. If a user is clever enough to keep his bots separate from his main and cares that much about the game then that's there isn't much you can do to stop the practice beyond making it more of a hassle for the bot tweakers and generate value-added for the software they sell. Automation of some type has been present in every online game I've encountered. Most real fixes will come at a cost to the casual gamer, and added annoyances to the rest.
Doug Garvin	Posted - 2010.12.12 07:40:00 - [132] CCP never has cared about macro miners. It get them more subscriptions.
Spineker Caldari Apolitical	Posted - 2010.12.12 07:52:00 - [133] Edited by: Spineker on 12/12/2010 07:53:05 Originally by: Salpad Originally by: Nergart imho, macro miners and such dont really bother me, with them there is lots of resources about and this helps keep the cost of things down, remove them and the prices will go up. But if there were no macro miners, then mineral prices will go up until they reach a point where real human playes can be arsed to suck them out of asteroids, and so a new equilibrium has been reached. Fears that if macro'ers were stopped completely, prices would increase to an extreme degree, are unfounded. EVE's market is much too transparent for that, and many of the players have a truly capitalistic approach to things. BS what do you think happened before the army of bots? edit: sarcasm
Spineker Caldari Apolitical	Posted - 2010.12.12 07:56:00 - [134] if they dont do something soon inflation will be overwhelming and all of the actual players will be long gone. SWTOR comes out soon.
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:26:00 - [135] Check our killboards on week 49 No Bots/macoers in EVE?! noooo... What a stupid idea _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines
Dirk Swan	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:00:00 - [136] I wish CCP would at least make a statement about what they are doing to stop macro users.
Wartrec	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:47:00 - [137] Just making sure everyone gets a chance to read this thread.
Grendaran	Posted - 2010.12.13 17:57:00 - [138] What are we talking about, they are adding Bots this expansion? really? that is odd, how do I get one of these? train for it?
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:20:00 - [139] Edited by: Barakkus on 14/12/2010 00:20:39 Here's a couple botters, lifted these screenshots from a forum devoted to making bots for EVE. It seems these people were posting on the forums in question asking for help with their bots but forgot to remove their names from the screenshots. Seems CCP didn't care after /petitioning it and sending them links to the forum these screenshots came from, and the actual screen shots themselves. Enjoy. Guy #1: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter1.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter2.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter3.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter4.jpg Guy #2: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/20091102231706.jpg Guy #3: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/frm00524.JPG I realize those will be nuked eventually, but whatever, I hate people that feel the need to cheat. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Rex Garvin	Posted - 2010.12.14 07:02:00 - [140] Just so every macro user gets a chance to read this.

Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.14 07:27:00 - [141] Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 14/12/2010 00:20:39 Here's a couple botters, lifted these screenshots from a forum devoted to making bots for EVE. It seems these people were posting on the forums in question asking for help with their bots but forgot to remove their names from the screenshots. Seems CCP didn't care after /petitioning it and sending them links to the forum these screenshots came from, and the actual screen shots themselves. Enjoy. Guy #1: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter1.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter2.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter3.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter4.jpg Guy #2: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/20091102231706.jpg Guy #3: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/frm00524.JPG I realize those will be nuked eventually, but whatever, I hate people that feel the need to cheat. Pretty amazing. 100% proof they're botting and yet first one is still happily in Evoke alliance probably still going about his botting. 100% proof that the content of the latest dev blog is just more placebo. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
RedShadow Evoke. Ev0ke	Posted - 2010.12.22 23:31:00 - [142] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Pretty amazing. 100% proof they're botting and yet first one is still happily in Evoke alliance probably still going about his botting. 100% proof that the content of the latest dev blog is just more placebo. Evoke doesn't support any botters, the regarding member is being kicked from the corp.
Kais N'ktal Caldari Order of the Machine God	Posted - 2010.12.23 03:28:00 - [143] Only read the first few posts.. But seriously, with mining especially, I'm usually playing COD or watching a movie/browsing, I'm really not going to give 2 s**ts about someone trying to convo me. I'm going to ignore it. I really couldn't care about botting, it's meat for the grinder IMO. - Kais
Rex Garvin	Posted - 2010.12.25 06:33:00 - [144] Of course ccp cares about macro users. That how they sell all thier PLEX.


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