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Wil Danis	Posted - 2010.11.13 18:24:00 - [1] So there I was dropping 2 thousand Dollars on a new Pc gaming rig,and causally look over at the demo computer in the store running all the cool games I could now play..... Fail. There was Dust Demo running and it was awesomeness, and I was proud to be apart of CCPs vision as a gamer of Eve for 3 years... Fail, as I realized my new cutting edge gaming computer that is FULLY DESIGNED and capable to run a game like Dust...is full of fail on this point. CCP Im a 46 year old gamer and dont play games in my living room on my TV. I have a PC. Your marketing plan for Dust is misguided as you just blew off a core customer. Onward Danis Out
Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.13 18:32:00 - [2] o.() really? ().o hmmm >.< /double facepalm Hoppit!
Sadayiel Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.11.13 18:34:00 - [3] Edited by: Sadayiel on 13/11/2010 18:35:06 Wait so you bought a new rig and saw a dust demo where? Or do you mean the old fanfest one where is explicity explained that dust is console only and you wished to troll post with hope CCP changes it's mind... You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here.
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2010.11.13 18:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Sadayiel Edited by: Sadayiel on 13/11/2010 18:35:06 Wait so you bought a new rig and saw a dust demo where? Or do you mean the old fanfest one where is explicity explained that dust is console only and you wished to troll post with hope CCP changes it's mind... I believe what he is referring to is: the HW requirements are for a console not a PC. ie; it's not slatted currently to be a PC game. Originally by: Redshift XIII Something tells me this guy wouldn't approve of my rocketcane :(
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.11.13 18:59:00 - [5] FYI, CCP isn't looking to cater to their core user base. They already release 2 free expansions a year for their main player base, which is more than any other MMO company I know of. CCP is looking to expand its user base, as well as build a new skillset for their developers (FPS/console/microtransaction skillsets), all while pulling off something that's never been done (linking a PC MMO and a console FPS together seamlessly.) Would you rather they expand their user base by making Eve less hardcore? I certainly wouldn't. (Walking in stations is roleplaying/immersion, not dumbing down eve, for those of you who want to Incarna rage in response to this statement)
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.11.13 19:18:00 - [6] Originally by: mechtech FYI, CCP isn't looking to cater to their core user base. They already release 2 free expansions a year for their main player base, which is more than any other MMO company I know of. CCP is looking to expand its user base, as well as build a new skillset for their developers (FPS/console/microtransaction skillsets), all while pulling off something that's never been done (linking a PC MMO and a console FPS together seamlessly.) Would you rather they expand their user base by making Eve less hardcore? I certainly wouldn't. (Walking in stations is roleplaying/immersion, not dumbing down eve, for those of you who want to Incarna rage in response to this statement) It isn't just about expanding your userbase or getting new skills. CCP is looking specifically to get in to the console market and trying to increase the value of the EVE IP. All the other choices were propably made so they would have a realistic chance to compete in the console market. Incarna afterall clearly shows that you can widen EVE to new areas without watering it down. Planetary FPS combat would have widened EVE in a similar fashion and brought new players to the fold, but that would have still meant that CCP wouldn't have gotten it's foot in to the all important console market.
Dark Ionix Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.11.13 19:22:00 - [7] You know, you can hook up a console to your PC monitor eh, I have both my XB0X 360 Slim and PS3 Fatty running on a 24" Acer Monitor just fine. BTW.. I'm in my 40's too, dont tell anyone!
Xercodo Amarr INESTO Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.13 19:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Wil Danis Your marketing plan for Dust is misguided as you just blew off a core customer. you do know that the WHOLE point of Dust is to get a new market and demogrpahic -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.13 19:29:00 - [9] You already play EVE, why would CCP care about you playing DUST as well (or more worryingly for them, instead)? DUST is about expanding the IP, which you don't do by preaching to the converted. -----------------
Faolan Fortune	Posted - 2010.11.13 19:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Ionix You know, you can hook up a console to your PC monitor eh, I have both my XB0X 360 Slim and PS3 Fatty running on a 24" Acer Monitor just fine. BTW.. I'm in my 40's too, dont tell anyone! Same... well apart from the 40 bit. Also with Dust being on the Unreal engine, you really didn't need a $2000 pc if it was on pc.
Troll Bridgington SWARTA Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.11.13 19:34:00 - [11] Unique. Different. SPecial. This thread has it all.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.13 19:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Wil Danis ..is full of fail on this point. CCP Im a 46 year old gamer and dont play games in my living room on my TV. Also I'm currently beating my head against the desk at the idea that a grown 46 year old man would unironically use the term 'full of fail'. -----------------
Nemi Lethal Gallente DarkStar Armada	Posted - 2010.11.13 22:34:00 - [13] Originally by: mechtech CCP is looking to expand its user base, as well as build a new skillset for their developers (FPS/console/microtransaction skillsets), all while pulling off something that's never been done (linking a PC MMO and a console FPS together seamlessly.) I see what you did there! LOL
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.13 23:17:00 - [14] Edited by: BeanBagKing on 13/11/2010 23:20:07 I too wish they would release Dust for PC, I'd probably get it. I also personally think they could pick up a larger market by releasing it for both, from what I've read it isn't hard to port from xbox to pc. However, they are looking to expand their market. If you were asking for my guess this is what I think will happen. Initially Dust will be released for the Xbox, CCP will keep it on the 'box for as long as they can, trying to drive up playerbase there, increase the IP value of the Eve one universe concept, etc and all that has been talked about here. However, this won't last, and I think CCP knows that. Console gamers are very ADD, they buy the newest Halo game, play it for a few months, and then 90% of them are gone, off to the latest Gears of War game. You can introduce some new content and micro-transactions here, but you can't offer 1.5GB updates, at all. Eventually CCP is going to not just want, but need to introduce more people into the Dust universe. They are also going to want to expand this universe, introducing new areas to fight in, new graphics, etc. They said somewhere that they don't see any reason why Eve can't still be running in 50 years, and part of the Eve concept is a total universe, including Dust, walking in stations, etc. They can't do that with console only. So about a year after Dust is released, guess what, I'd put money that you will see it on PC. Found it, Eurogamer article
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.14 07:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Ionix You know, you can hook up a console to your PC monitor eh, I have both my XB0X 360 Slim and PS3 Fatty running on a 24" Acer Monitor just fine. BTW.. I'm in my 40's too, dont tell anyone! that's how I roll
Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.11.14 08:44:00 - [16] Dust on PC linked with EVE = Bad You know, theres things called Cheats for PC Games. It is way harder to get a cheat running on a console. I don't even know of any. And you could clearly see how this would go if they would release Dust for PC. Just look at the userbase in Jita.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.14 09:02:00 - [17] 5 years old = core customer, you are only 3 Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: FOl2TY8 I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence. Yeah, I use that excuse too.
Kestrix	Posted - 2010.11.14 09:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Wil Danis CCP Im a 46 year old gamer and dont play games in my living room on my TV. I have a PC. I'm a gamer too, not quite as old as you though. I don't play games in my living room on my TV ether but I do have a PC and next to it I have an Xbox 360 both of which are connected to my screen. There solved your problem for you! Kestrix
Johnny Dexter	Posted - 2010.11.14 11:42:00 - [19] 2000 dollars? Christ, did you buy your parts from Alienware? You can build a monster rig that will be easily be able to handle all games that come out in the next, say, 3 to 4 years for quarter the price.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.14 11:49:00 - [20] Originally by: BeanBagKing However, this won't last, and I think CCP knows that. Console gamers are very ADD, they buy the newest Halo game, play it for a few months, and then 90% of them are gone, off to the latest Gears of War game. You can introduce some new content and micro-transactions here, but you can't offer 1.5GB updates, at all. To be fair, the bulk of console games themselves are designed and marketed to fit into that short-term cycle. Introducing a game like DUST which is intended for the long haul with its persistent evolving universe might just work if the core game behind it is solid enough to keep players entertained. I think CCP is hoping to hook the clan competition aspect of FPS games here. By tying into the EVE universe, the intent is that DUST players will have a persistent arena in which to prove themselves, and the rivalry between clans to get the best reputation, most lucrative contracts and most advanced hardware will lead to the same sort of political drama and intrigue which keeps players interested in the game. Think of how counter-strike remained established as the go-to FPS for the PC long after other, prettier and more in-depth shooters were available. CCP wants DUST to be the X-Box counterstrike, with political and economic layers thrown in on top. Whether it will succeed depends firstly on how good a game it is in its own right, and secondly how successful CCP are at implementing (and promoting) the interactions between EVE Online and Dust. Quote: So about a year after Dust is released, guess what, I'd put money that you will see it on PC. Releasing DUST on PC would be a hilarious failure, since the FPS market is already saturated and those aspects that make Dust interesting to the console scene are much more familiar to PC players (who, after all, already have EVE, and have Planetside 2 supposedly in development). Plus, Dust needs to be a similar one-world environment to work, which is going to run into technical issues across multiple platforms (are there any games out where PC and consoles can both play together?). -----------------
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.14 14:13:00 - [21] Btw. Originally by: Wil Danis There was Dust Demo running Unlikely. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2010.11.14 14:24:00 - [22] If you could hop on Xbox 360 and enjoy a fun sci-fi shooter, in a cold harsh universe, where you can nuke the **** from orbit. Then log out and not care until next time you need to blow 30-60 minutes on some fun gaming; when would you ever log into EVE to station spin, shoot red brackets in space, or read spredsheets? Believe me, CCP does not want core EVE gamers to pick up Dust en masse. Oh, and 5/10 ;)
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.11.14 14:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Wil Danis There was Dust Demo running and it was awesomeness Nice try, bub.
Shepard Book Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.11.14 15:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Wil Danis CCP Im a 46 year old gamer and dont play games in my living room on my TV. I have a PC. Your marketing plan for Dust is misguided as you just blew off a core customer. Onward Danis Out I think it maybe on a PC platform one day. CCP has refused to be put in a corner on the subject that it wont be one day. It is a smart move by them going after another market in the beginning. I think they will expand it to PC platform when they think it is best to do so. All depends how successful consoles are for them. What really makes me wonder is how this is gonna work with PS3 and Xbox on the same planet at the same time.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.11.14 19:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Johnny Dexter You can build a monster rig that will be easily be able to handle all games that come out in the next, say, 3 to 4 years for quarter the price. The lies
Serpent Kamri	Posted - 2010.11.14 19:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder Originally by: Johnny Dexter You can build a monster rig that will be easily be able to handle all games that come out in the next, say, 3 to 4 years for quarter the price. The lies I'm afraid not good Sir I built my rig about 3 years ago for 750ish bucks and it can run Crysis on high settings on 1280x1024 without much sweat. My brother got his built for a little under 500 this summer and it has so much more horsepower than mine. If anything, I'd say about 300 would be enough if you're not much of a graphics *****.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.14 19:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 14/11/2010 19:53:40 Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder Originally by: Johnny Dexter You can build a monster rig that will be easily be able to handle all games that come out in the next, say, 3 to 4 years for quarter the price. The lies If you can't put together a $500 gaming rig that will last you at least 3-4 years then you must be a reseller spinning your own lies so some clueless kid will shell out $2000 for a rig he could have built for a fraction of the price himself. Remember kiddies that the only real difference between last years top of the line and this years is about a 5~10% perfomance gain(lol!) but last years stuff is usually 50~75% off to get it out of the warehouse. edit; OR you are one of those kids that got scammed into buying a $2000 "gaming" rig.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.11.14 20:14:00 - [28] I've been looking at the prices because i'll travel to Toronto/NY and buy my PC on december. (where i live, all computer stuff is overpriced) Can't get a good setup that will last with only 500$. When i say good setup that will last i mean: sata III ddr3 mobo ddr3 1600 memory good performance/$ VGA good quad cpu matching the mobo psu that will hold it and is reliable one small SSD for windows + adobe + one game (probably 64 gbs) If you can get this (maybe without the SSD) for 500$, please englighten me.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.14 20:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder I've been looking at the prices because i'll travel to Toronto/NY and buy my PC on december. (where i live, all computer stuff is overpriced) Can't get a good setup that will last with only 500$. When i say good setup that will last i mean: sata III ddr3 mobo ddr3 1600 memory good performance/$ VGA good quad cpu matching the mobo psu that will hold it and is reliable one small SSD for windows + adobe + one game (probably 64 gbs) If you can get this (maybe without the SSD) for 500$, please englighten me. Your specs are overblown for a fast(solid 30~60 fps) gaming rig. You are trying to build a nascar quality car to race at the local track when a junkyard special with the right key components will do just as well. For example I'm running on an aging c2d, 800mhz ddr2 memory, sata II platter drives along with a p-35 mobo with an nvidia 9800gtx and play all the current games on max or nearly max effects and still get that solid 30~60 fps. I also expect this to last me at least another couple of years and even then all I should have to upgrade is the video card and maybe the cpu to the last generation of c2d quad core as they are still hella fast.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.11.14 20:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu You are trying to build a nascar quality car to race at the local track when a junkyard special with the right key components will do just as well. For example I'm running on an aging c2d, 800mhz ddr2 memory, sata II platter drives along with a p-35 mobo with an nvidia 9800gtx and play all the current games on max or nearly max effects and still get that solid 30~60 fps. I also expect this to last me at least another couple of years and even then all I should have to upgrade is the video card and maybe the cpu to the last generation of c2d quad core as they are still hella fast. Your setup is similar to what i have now, except my 9800 is no more (and BFG closed). It's quite good for now, but i dont have the oportunity to travel every year, so i need to buy some stuff that will really last at least 3 years. I doubt our machines will run well the stuff that is coming next year and 2012, including Incarna, D3.. So i'm thinking about I5 760 460 gtx 8 gb ddr3 1600 mobo with sata III (for future stuff/ssd) psu This is around 780 $

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