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Jonah Sands	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Jonah Sands on 15/11/2010 21:07:57 Hey Guys, I'm looking for a cheap mission runner, to keep my iskies flowing. The reason I don't want to fly a 1bil+ ship, is because of all the unwelcome attention it gets. I'm welcome to any race, and tech II is fine, please no deadspace/officer/faction stuff, as that's the stuff that gets you ganked. Any comments about wanting my tears, or carebearers suck, are very appreciated /sarcasm... Thanks
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:17:00 - [2] Faction stuff and most deadspace stuff won't attract much attention. Its when someone puts that 7 billion ISK cap recharger on that people take notice. I hear rifters can do some lvl 4s. There is your cheap boat.
Dharker Swift	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:22:00 - [3] Drake. L4 passive drake. Cheap, effective. :)
Exploited Engineer	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:28:00 - [4] Originally by: Dharker Swift Drake. L4 passive drake. Cheap, effective. :) If you're doing L4s in your Drake, you do want 2 BCUs. Throw out the LBA rig in that fit for another purger. I've switched to using passive shield regeneration, but active hardeners. This lets me fit an AB while still keeping my resists up.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:45:00 - [5] Any standard mission Raven, Domi, or Maelstrom will do you just fine and cost less than 150m fitted. The BC suggestions are absurd. The only attention you'll get is from T.E.A.R.S. if you're in a common missioning system or pirates if you somehow decide you want to mission in lowsec. Additionally, flying a billion isk ship is just fine if you're fitting it with mostly T2 and faction damage mods. The problems come when you fit billions of isk worth of modules on a ship, and make the cost of ganking you far less than what you'd likely drop if you got ganked. Honestly, from my point of view, deadspace and officer gear might as well not be in the game. You can accomplish virtually everything you want with just T2 and some Faction, and EVE's the only game I can think of where people universally call you an idiot and laugh at you for trying to acquire and use all the best stuff.
Lady Segan	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:51:00 - [6] I have been running level IV missions in a cheap fit (300 mil?) CNR. It does just fine.
Footoo Rama Gallente Beyond Control.	Posted - 2010.11.15 23:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Footoo Rama on 15/11/2010 23:11:31 Sentry II domi.. not cheap in the skills dept, but under 100million fully fitted with drones and spares. Everything else is t2 or faction. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
The Huffarunier	Posted - 2010.11.15 23:28:00 - [8] I had this same question over in MD. All in all I'd really like a Vindicator but I'm afraid what a lulz gank might show up to gank it for TEARS.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.15 23:30:00 - [9] Passive drake. It will be slow, but when you fall asleep your tank should hold.
Mavnas	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:21:00 - [10] How's a Nightmare compared to the Drake?

Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Mavnas How's a Nightmare compared to the Drake? It's okay.
Shoogie Serious Pixels	Posted - 2010.11.16 02:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Mavnas How's a Nightmare compared to the Drake? Polar opposites in just about every possible way.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2010.11.16 02:51:00 - [13] Really cheap? Dominix. 40-50 million for the hull (not sure of going rate as I can't fly one and haven't priced a shoe in a while), all T2 fittings on the modules, and T2 drones. Not quite as cheap? Scorpion Navy Issue, Dominix Navy Issue, Rattlesnake. Basically all improved versions of the Dominix. Scorp uses missiles instead of hybrids if you want weapons on it, but all of them have the same drone bonuses the Dominix has. Not outrageous but effective? Raven Navy Issue, Apocalypse Navy Issue, Abaddon. These aren't drone boats. Raven really does need either T2 or faction cruise launchers to work well, but you can get by with Arbalests if you have to; unlike the heavy launchers Arbalest cruise launchers are about 4 million each last time I looked. Amarr boats need T2 pulse lasers (scorch) or any decent beam, but your cap skills better be good (perfect if you try that Abaddon). ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Troll Sterger	Posted - 2010.11.16 03:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Gavin DeVries Really cheap? Dominix. 40-50 million for the hull (not sure of going rate as I can't fly one and haven't priced a shoe in a while), all T2 fittings on the modules, and T2 drones. Not quite as cheap? Scorpion Navy Issue, Dominix Navy Issue, Rattlesnake. Basically all improved versions of the Dominix. Scorp uses missiles instead of hybrids if you want weapons on it, but all of them have the same drone bonuses the Dominix has. Not outrageous but effective? Raven Navy Issue, Apocalypse Navy Issue, Abaddon. These aren't drone boats. Raven really does need either T2 or faction cruise launchers to work well, but you can get by with Arbalests if you have to; unlike the heavy launchers Arbalest cruise launchers are about 4 million each last time I looked. Amarr boats need T2 pulse lasers (scorch) or any decent beam, but your cap skills better be good (perfect if you try that Abaddon). Navy Scorp has drone bonus?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.16 03:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Jonah Sands I'm looking for a cheap mission runner I don't want to fly a 1bil+ ship please no deadspace/officer/faction stuff, as that's the stuff that gets you ganked. cheap: drake, raven, domi you say 1bil+ ship, what exactly do you mean by that? CNRs are going for ~600m, which leaves about 400m for a fit which is less than 1bil+. but you also said cheap. and the only way you will get attention is for the fit, and/or your being an ass. no one is going to go gank a vindicator just to gank a vindicator, they are going to gank it because it has a stupidly expensive fit (like a bil+ in fittings). sub 1bil+ ships, well damn near anything, I'll just list a few that I like: golem, paladin, vargur, nightmare, cnr, machariel.
Elizabetha Pith	Posted - 2010.11.16 05:49:00 - [16] I use a passive invul fit Nighthawk, I have been using it for the past year or so. T2 HML and T2 ammo, works just fine, can tank every lvl 4 mission ive done and the DPS isn't bad either. A Nighthawk runs at about 200 mil these days and T2 fit is pretty cheap, I normally buy about 100k missiles at a time and the income is good, I normally make about 100 mill a day missioning which i'm perfectly happy with.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.16 06:29:00 - [17] Super cheap and actually not that bad for efficiency but you will need to now how to control room aggro or suffer heavily. Use this to save up for a nightmare or vargur. [Raven, Sir Noobalot] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets X-Large Shield Booster II 'Stalwart' I Particle Field Magnifier Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5
Strange Kid	Posted - 2010.11.16 06:41:00 - [18] Dominix is what I'm going for on my alt. 800+ paper dps in a sentry gank setup, or alternatively afk missioning setup with 1k-ish tank and heavies clearing the floor. Maelstrom is an extremely good option for minmatar missions (angel heavy). If you can use t2 autocannons it out performs the CNR in them. Abaddon and Apocalypse are the ships of choise for amarr missions. Dominix does just fine though, because of high thermal drone dmg. Raven is the cookie cutter caldari missioner, but a sentry Dominix would probably do as good or better.
Missy Sasha	Posted - 2010.11.16 06:53:00 - [19] Just buy whatever ship you want and don't put more than like 400mil worth of modules on it. 12 guys aren't going to suicide gank a golem just to have a chance at getting 4 CN BCUs.
Dark Voynix Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2010.11.16 07:08:00 - [20] Any race have bs's that can do L4 mission: Caldari raven with plain T2 fitting ( maybe just a cheap faction shield booster) its the most common choise. Quite effective. Gallente Dominix its another common choice. if you have t2 sentries its quite effective Minmatar Maelstrom with T2 800mm its another great ship. Good shield tank, good dps, can choose damage type and huge falloff. Amarr Apocalipse/Abaddon. Both good ships. You cannot chose damage type but the raw dps its quite impressive. Obviously you can choose also other bs's. Maybe they are a bit less commonly used, but all of them can finish L4 minnions if well used. Another option is to cpich a faction bs and use t2 fitting. Just as example, the navy scorpion or rattlesnake can passive tank any L4 you will even encounter. Excellent for lazy users. Anyway those was just examples, they are not the fastest ship for L4, probably just the safest for the uber tank that can achieve. Honestly its hard to suggest you a Bs over the others. Chose the one you like more, or the one that use your most trained skills. Once chosed ask for a good T2 setup.

AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.11.16 07:26:00 - [21] Edited by: AstarothPrime on 16/11/2010 07:26:03 The guy says - "I dont wanna 1B ship" and ppl reply: "Faction fit CNR" "Nightmare" etc... Which part of "I dont wanna 1B ship" didnt you understand? Use this (i use it and it finishes 80% of L4s in 30m or less, plus it tanks anything fitted with proper damage hardeners: [My drake] Hi: 7 x HML II (scourge / thunderbolt fury) 1 x salvager / tractor Meds: 2 x mission specific HARDENER (active) 1 x mission specific RESISTANCE AMP (passive) 2 x LSE II 1 x AB Lows: 1 x BCU II 2 x shield relay II 1 x PDS II Thats optimum for my skills... tanks anything and everything with some aggro control on dmg heavy missions and can tank whole room on most L4s Average BS dies in just over a minute... Cost: 50M with insurance I.
Missy Sasha	Posted - 2010.11.16 08:00:00 - [22] He doesn't want a super expensive ship because he doesn't want to be ganked. Yes your drake is cheap and absolutely works, however it's godawful slow.
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.16 09:33:00 - [23] T2 fit battleships offer you best price/perfomance ratio for level 4 missions. Although going for a bit more expensive hull (unless you go into low sec) is reasonable, as it does not drop when you are ganked. So T2 fit Golem or CNR for example, or Apoc if you run in amarr space. Dominix is rather universal and quite effective as well (at least until incursion when the new NPC's have sleeper AI and will go for your drones).
Jonah Sands	Posted - 2010.11.16 13:06:00 - [24] Thanks very much for all the replies! To get a little more specific: I did have a CNR, and it was a crazy awesome mission beast, but, it does attract attention. There are alot of people who don't care about the fittings or what drops as much as they want a $$$ kill, to pad their killboard. That's why I'm shying away from the faction ships. What do you guys think of the typhoon? I know that is a cheap BS, but will it handle LVL 4's?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.16 13:44:00 - [25] Originally by: AstarothPrime The guy says - "I dont wanna 1B ship" and ppl reply: "Faction fit CNR" "Nightmare" etc... CNR ~600m 4x CN bcus ~320m t2 mids + cruise launchers + signal amp and t1 rigors = meh 600m+320m < 1000m nightmare ~900mil, bet you can t2 fit it for under 100m, which again < 1000m learn 2 math and please show me the killmails of people killing faction ships for "teh lulz" sure if they wander into lowsec or shoot the ninja salvager but then again those people would have died no matter what they were flying...
Handbanana Spaghetti	Posted - 2010.11.16 15:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Jonah Sands There are alot of people who don't care about the fittings or what drops as much as they want a $$$ kill, to pad their killboard. That's been my experience. Then they pod you for a giggle. It's all good.
Missm Uppet Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.16 15:47:00 - [27] Edited by: Missm Uppet on 16/11/2010 15:47:32 agreed with the post above me. Your fears of getting your CNR ganked are largely unfounded if you're doing these in high-sec. A CNR or the cheaper standard Raven is going to be the right answer to your OP. Drake is a cool ship but simply doesn't have the DPS outside of kinetic-weak missions. A typhoon is a very cool ship for PvP, not really for PVE. A typhoon is also the most demanding for skills - you need to have excellent missile/gun/drone skills to mkae it shine, and then it really is geared for short range. It's reliance on drones for a good chunk of its DPS, and the fact that it doesn't get any sort of speed bonuses for missiles give it delayed dmg as far as the drones are concerned, and either weak DPS or short range for missile damage. And for those reasons, it makes a better short/mid range PvP boat. If you can fly Raven hulls, keep flying them - best iskies/hr overall by a fair margin.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.11.16 17:01:00 - [28] Quietly takes down names Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Jonah Sands	Posted - 2010.11.16 17:24:00 - [29] THAT'S HIM! points up THAT'S THE BAD MAN THAT MADE ME CRY! on a "on topic" note, it's not only ganking that I'm worried about. If you were scanning down ships to ninja salvage, and perhaps try to garner some carebear tears, which are you going to warp to: 1. A CNR 2. A Typhoon From my experience, your going to warp to the CNR, steal from him, and try to get him to agro you (and then call your buddies). Its happened to me, and really, I knew not to shoot him, so it was OK, but I'm just trying to see if I can garner a little less attention. I'm looking for a sleeper ship...
rodensteiner Amarr Shioshi	Posted - 2010.11.16 18:02:00 - [30] Have some people not successfully used Hurricanes or Myrmidons? Passive shield tanked, even? _____________________________________________ I'm horrible at PVP

Mike712	Posted - 2010.11.16 18:10:00 - [31] Raven is easily the best all rounder on a budget due to beeing able to field enough tank for all level 4s, it also has great damage projection and selectable damage type. Here's the setup I'd suggest: [Raven, Lv4 Raven] Expanded Cargohold II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier I Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/46033-Cheap-Lv4-Raven.html Regards Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.16 18:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Jonah Sands but I'm just trying to see if I can garner a little less attention. Then you need to get away from the mission hubs. Every race has an oddball npc corp or two that has a good to excellent level 4 agent deep in high sec that takes a bit of grinding to get to. The catch is usually all the agents you need to grind to get to that one awesome agent are horribly placed and have negative quality. But if you tough it out then you can have a nice underpopulated level 4 agent that doesn't attract the swarms of ninjas and griefers the hubs have.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.16 18:30:00 - [33] 1. To answer the OP, Drake or Typhoon. 2. giving up billions in opportunity cost to get better LP is ******ed.
Kassa Daito Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.16 18:55:00 - [34] Edited by: Kassa Daito on 16/11/2010 18:55:18 Originally by: Cipher Jones 1. To answer the OP, Drake or Typhoon. 2. giving up billions in opportunity cost to get better LP is ****ed. 1) Ravens, CNRs, Dominix, and Navy Domis will outperform both those against most rats due to either higher base damage or higher range and they aren't that expensive. 2) Investing billions (you can always resell it later unless you lose it) into performing your primary occupation (ISK-earning activity) faster isn't. Investing billions into negligible improvements is stupid but a Golem or CNR beats a Drake by plenty enough to justify the investment. @ the OP: A T2-fit (non-Kronos) marauder or certain pirate battleships with 2 of the damage mods factioned and a faction or C-type repairer/booster is about the cutoff point for reasonable investment. Anything more and the benefit is marginal while increasing the chances of loss to gankers. The people who mission in 4+ billion ISK ships are doing so because they have far too much ISK and enjoy seeing how fast you can possibly run missions; not because it produces a worthwhile ROI. Disclaimer: Author sometimes spell checks but is not responsible for sins of commission, omission, emission, transmission, or submission. Flowers, bricks, or any other form of feedback appreciated
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.11.16 20:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Mike712 [Raven, Lv4 Raven] Expanded Cargohold II ...what?
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.16 20:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Originally by: Mike712 [Raven, Lv4 Raven] Expanded Cargohold II ...what? For the cap charges.
Jonah Sands	Posted - 2010.11.16 21:10:00 - [37] How many Cap Booster 800 charges would you keep in your hold?
Altaica Amur Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.11.16 21:14:00 - [38] Quote: Have some people not successfully used Hurricanes or Myrmidons? Passive shield tanked, even? A passive myrmidon has a tank nearly as good as a drake, better if you don't have battlecruiser V if it still had the 125 m3 drone bay it would be a shoe-in for best cheap missioning ship. As is I think the dominix is probably the best of the suggestions offered, particularly since it allows you to salvage as you go and make things even less appealing to salvage ninjas and such. Also some good points are made regarding the raven and cnr providing too much of an isk/hr advantage to be worth turning down in the long run, consider this when making your choice or better yet try both and see what you like.
Devil tiger	Posted - 2010.11.16 21:14:00 - [39] after 2000 charges -as many as you can squeeze. There's never enough when you REALLY need them and you only need them when you have F*cked up something real bad.
Nons Mom	Posted - 2010.11.16 22:51:00 - [40] Here's what I run, Sleipnir 7x T2 425mm ACs (T1 ammo, faction ammo requires you to be nearly 100% efficient in order for it to pay off so meh. Barrage only adds 12km(?) to your fallout, which is meh) 1x Tractor/Salvage or HAM/HML for albit more dps 1x XL CN SB (the T2 variant won't fit the fitting requirements, and it ain't that expensive) 1x T2 Invul. Field 1x T2 Shield Hardener (Rat specfic, note that sleipnir has a kinetic hole for its shields, not EM) 1x RF 10Mn AB (not expensive) 1x T2 Medium Cap Booster (800) 3x RF gyros (WORTH IT) 2x T2 TEs 5x T2 Warriors The above fit cost me just under 500 million (with some market/contract playing). This was an huge upgrade compared to my mael, not in terms of efficiency but in terms of FUN. Most ninjas I've seen only scan for battleships in hope of finding those stupid +2bil fittings, so it's unlikely this fitting will grab you a lot of attention. Sure, this isn't more efficient than half the mission ship fittings out there, and there's a few missions I wouldn't risk this baby in (ie smash the supplier). But by the gods, this ship is holy-crap FUN and I mean --> FUN <--. It has good dps (650ish) and a beast of a tank. Speed is decent. Cap stability is overrated, so that's why I went with an XL SB fitting over the cap-stable med SB fittings. Cap boosters are there for the lil tougher missions. I can only fit in at max 13 800 cap boosts, but I boosted my cap only once or twice in all the missions I've done so far. The only times when I need to boost my shields are usually on approach to a group of npcs. Once I start orbiting around a bs. The bs npcs cannot hit me hard AT ALL. It's mostly the cruisers and bcs npcs that can still hit me while I'm orbiting around a bs, so I focus on web/scram frigs, cruisers, bcs, then bs last (some situations vary of course). If you're worried about the cap-stability, don't worry, you shouldn't run out of cap nor the 13 800 cap boosters in 95% of the missions (only if you're doing the mission right). So great dps, beast of a tank for when you need it, speed tanks wonderfully, and a bad-ass ship model and orgasmic camo. I recommend sleipnir to anyone who is looking for FUN and reasonable efficiency. Fun > efficiency remember that, young ones. and man, do I love the command ship benefits. points at my heated leather seat

Lan Staz	Posted - 2010.11.16 23:19:00 - [41] Originally by: rodensteiner Have some people not successfully used Hurricanes or Myrmidons? Passive shield tanked, even? A passive shield Hurricane can solo almost all L4s if you manage aggro properly, but it takes a lot of time. Myrms also, as noted above.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.17 04:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Jonah Sands THAT'S HIM! points up THAT'S THE BAD MAN THAT MADE ME CRY! on a "on topic" note, it's not only ganking that I'm worried about. If you were scanning down ships to ninja salvage, and perhaps try to garner some carebear tears, which are you going to warp to: 1. A CNR 2. A Typhoon From my experience, your going to warp to the CNR, steal from him, and try to get him to agro you (and then call your buddies). Its happened to me, and really, I knew not to shoot him, so it was OK, but I'm just trying to see if I can garner a little less attention. I'm looking for a sleeper ship... dude you need go see a doctor or something, that level of paranoia can't be healthy.....
Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton dude you need go see a doctor or something, that level of paranoia can't be healthy..... uuuhhhh.... Welcome to EvE, there is never such a thing as too much paranoia ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.17 13:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Typhado3 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton dude you need go see a doctor or something, that level of paranoia can't be healthy..... uuuhhhh.... Welcome to EvE, there is never such a thing as too much paranoia better stay docked up then. they gonna come gank you just for "teh lulz"
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.11.17 13:58:00 - [45] Honestly if you want a mission runner.... Just get a drake. If you are serious about running missions for profit then consider some research into the bigger stuff like faction Battleships and command ships.
Lili Lu	Posted - 2010.11.17 16:10:00 - [46] Cheapest - Drake (but sorta boring tbh, and may be getting a much overdue nerf ) More time efficient while less cheap - Raven or Domi (a tech II sentry Domi is the most fun I've found in missions) possibly a pulse Apoc - a cheap and noob(ish, because tech II large pulses take a fair amount of training) friendly mission runner (if you are getting lots of Blood Raider/Sansha missions)
Mike712	Posted - 2010.11.17 17:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Jonah Sands How many Cap Booster 800 charges would you keep in your hold? Enough for worlds collide, extravaganza missions and a few other longer missions. I've tested that fit and it works perfectly. Also the cargo expander uses 0 CPU so it fits with very low fitting skills.
Jonah Sands	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:06:00 - [48] I used that exact fit last night, and I really liked it. I am able to fit about 20-24 800 cap boosters, and that seems to give me what I need for tank. I ran "Gone Berserk" and was able to handle it pretty quickly. Not bad for 200 mil. Plus, if you loot/salvage, you get enough 800 cap boosters, so that you don't really have to keep buying them. It helped that I moved 14 jumps away to a system with not alot of mission runners/ninja salvagers... My next step is going to be training an Amarr battleship, so that I never have to buy ammo again.
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:36:00 - [49] 1. Domi 2. Raven 3. Maelstrom **** drakes, they suck. Also, to OP: getting a faction boat with T2 mods > regular boat with faction mods. Reason: a CNR wreck is no good to gankers, a raven wreck with faction gear to loot is. So to be optimal I would advise using a (T2 fit) golem, vargur, nightmare, machariel or similar. To be completely honest: chances of getting ganked rely more on where you mission at what time than on what you are flying. So finding a better (more quiet) missioning spot/system/hub should be looked at BEFORE downgrading your ship to something less ganky but also very much so less effective. (read: 2-3 faction dmg mods are a MUST, faction tank/cap/whatever isn't as important, but boosting your DPS REALLYY is.) __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.20 17:33:00 - [50] Quote: 2) Investing billions (you can always resell it later unless you lose it) into performing your primary occupation (ISK-earning activity) faster isn't. Investing billions into negligible improvements is stupid but a Golem or CNR beats a Drake by plenty enough to justify the investment. You didn't even respond to what I said.

Ghoest	Posted - 2010.11.20 17:42:00 - [51] Edited by: Ghoest on 20/11/2010 17:42:56 Billion isk ships/set ups arent going to attract much attention. Billion isk individual modules might(but usually wont). A marauder or CNR with faction and deadspace modules is the way to go for cheapness. EDIT: And if you got the skills you can make a great mission boat out of a Phoon with only modestly expensive gear. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Desya Dak'ann Caldari Special Space Marines	Posted - 2010.11.20 19:39:00 - [52] Dominix. End. Of. Rule 7: Thou Shalt not whine.
Yob tvay'matar	Posted - 2010.11.20 22:25:00 - [53] Edited by: Yob tvay''matar on 20/11/2010 22:27:01 Originally by: Ghoest Billion isk ships/set ups arent going to attract much attention. Billion isk individual modules might This Saying that CNR attracts attention is mega LOL. Been missioning in CNR with 1b worth of modules for over a year and a faction fit Machariel and no one wants to gank them, because there are too many ships with 10b worth of officer mods around. Oh, and not missioning in Motsu or Dodixie probably helps too.
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2010.11.21 02:21:00 - [54] What do you mean by "cheap" exactly? Cheap operating costs? Or cheap initial expenditure? Ravens/CNR's do the job, but you will spend ISK on missiles (operating costs), and pay more to acquire them (initial outlay). The Dominix is an inexpensive hull, fit is cheap or cheaper: 1) use no guns/all drones-sentries/tractor-salvage = slow cheap mission running 2) use sentries for range, or blasters (3-4 limited by power grid) + medium drones for the super those close range BS's that are slow to take out with Gardes. I use Mega Modal Neutron Blasters and Lead ammo to start whacking BS's at 20km (support skillz needed for that range) on my bread and butter Domni fit. Navy Dominix rocks even harder, and is way cheaper than a CNR. I own a few, and love 'em - getting expensive. Can have target painters X2 besides massive tank. CNR can blow through missions faster, at greater cost per mission. But I never chain missions, so I do not benefit from a speed running strategy. This strategy yields more ISK faster if you focus on the keyboard. I had a fleet of Dominix'es, now replaced by a fleet of Rattlesnakes = very expensive. Domi's payed for it all while I was barely watching the PvE fights and doing homework at the same time. CNR's require much more focus to operate/pilot. Decide what you think is "cheap", and go for it.
Kylee Serenity Moonshine Industries	Posted - 2010.11.21 09:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Urgg Boolean I had a fleet of Dominix'es, now replaced by a fleet of Rattlesnakes Interesting. Could you tell how many you used in the fleet and how many missions at once?


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