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Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:06:00 - [1] Quote: Dear players, the servers are down for 30 minutes each day for maintenance and updates. The daily downtime will begin in 59 minutes at 11:00 GMT/UTC. The servers will be back up again 30 minutes later. Please make sure your characters are out of harms way before the servers close. -The EVE Online Team I know that the EVE server is a combined cluster of servers blahblahblah. Still, being proud of our one world spaceship game the daily downtime message irks me. I know it's futile and not very important at all but I see that message every day and it's just not right. Show some excellence CCP and make the downtime message more true to what EVE is! --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:09:00 - [2] But it's a one-world spaceship game, and not a one-server spaceship game. Changing that statement would mean it would be incorrect. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:12:00 - [3] That entirely depends on your point of view. If you state the memory in your PC more often than not you will state the total amount, rather than insisting on stating memory per bank. And even if it would be one server would you still go "don't forget to mention the hard drive!". The server that runs EVE, as an entity, is one as we have only one game world. --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:19:00 - [4] Edited by: Blane Xero on 17/11/2010 10:20:40 Originally by: Yasri Khana That entirely depends on your point of view. No, it doesn't. Eve runs on many Blade Servers, which together make a CLUSTER. Multiple Servers =/= One Server. Just because ignorant masses call Tranquillity a Server, does not make it so. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:22:00 - [5] Edited by: Illwill Bill on 17/11/2010 10:23:36 Originally by: Yasri Khana That entirely depends on your point of view. If you state the memory in your PC more often than not you will state the total amount, rather than insisting on stating memory per bank. And even if it would be one server would you still go "don't forget to mention the hard drive!". The server that runs EVE, as an entity, is one as we have only one game world. Oh dear! There's been several dev blogs describing the TQ server structure in lose detail. I suggest you take some time to read them. Edit: Ic na't spel tdoay Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:33:00 - [6] When your OS asks "do you want to shut down your PC", do you then go "a PC is a cluster of stuff in a box, it's a hard drive, mainboard, CPU, videocard, optional soundcard. Perhaps even a second hard drive, don't forget that one! I want the shut down message to show me ALL the bits that make up what we call a PC". I surely hope not. --- Friendliness goes a long way.
folaur	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:37:00 - [7] Edited by: folaur on 17/11/2010 10:39:44 what about the sisi server? tranq + sisi = servers? edit: and the development server. (so that's serverss )
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Blane Xero on 17/11/2010 10:38:58 Originally by: Yasri Khana When your OS asks "do you want to shut down your PC", do you then go "a PC is a cluster of stuff in a box, No. However, I call thirty servers in a cluster "A Server" no more than I call two Hard Drives in RAID a "Hard Drive" Calling a cluster a Server is a massive misnomer. One that I blame sharded MMO's for. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:46:00 - [9] Raid is a good example actually, lets assume a raid 0 or raid 1 setup. Would you call the resulting single drive your "C drive" or "drives that make up C". When you get the "install program on drive C" do you then go "no no NO, It's a combination of drives! Call it what it IS!". Again, I hope not. Originally by: folaur Edited by: folaur on 17/11/2010 10:39:44 what about the sisi server? tranq + sisi = servers? edit: and the development server. (so that's serverss ) The different EVE servers have their own downtime schedules, as such the message for one of the servers does not have to reflect the fact that there's more of them. --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Yasri Khana Raid is a good example actually, lets assume a raid 0 or raid 1 setup. Would you call the resulting single drive your "C drive" or "drives that make up C". When you get the "install program on drive C" do you then go "no no NO, It's a combination of drives! Call it what it IS!". Again, I hope not. I call it the C Drive. Why? Hypothetical situation incoming; 5 hard drives RAID to make one storage drive [The C Drive] 5 servers working together to make one Cluster [Tranquillity] _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Yasri Khana When your OS asks "do you want to shut down your PC", do you then go "a PC is a cluster of stuff in a box, it's a hard drive, mainboard, CPU, videocard, optional soundcard. Perhaps even a second hard drive, don't forget that one! I want the shut down message to show me ALL the bits that make up what we call a PC". I surely hope not. The components in your PC are just components. The servers in a cluster are computers connected to eachother, but they are still individual computers. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Yasri Khana Raid is a good example actually, lets assume a raid 0 or raid 1 setup. Would you call the resulting single drive your "C drive" or "drives that make up C". When you get the "install program on drive C" do you then go "no no NO, It's a combination of drives! Call it what it IS!". Again, I hope not. I call it the C Drive. Why? Hypothetical situation incoming; 5 hard drives RAID to make one storage drive [The C Drive] 5 servers working together to make one Cluster [Tranquillity] So, as you call the combined drives the C drive and you give the EVE cluster as single name that means you see and name the entity as one whilst knowing and understanding that it's technically a combination of similar parts. Thank you for supporting my idea! --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Yasri Khana Thank you for supporting my idea! Lolno. You claim the Combination of Servers that create the Tranquillity Cluster are a single "Server" I claim it is a Cluster. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:07:00 - [14] But you call it a single entity, just as you call your cluster of raid drives "drive C". --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Jose Black	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Yasri Khana Raid is a good example actually, lets assume a raid 0 or raid 1 setup. Would you call the resulting single drive your "C drive" or "drives that make up C". When you get the "install program on drive C" do you then go "no no NO, It's a combination of drives! Call it what it IS!". Again, I hope not. Calling drive partitions and file systems on them drives is fail from M$ to begin with. Unix systems for example do not have such things as drives at all. So yes, the latter of your point actually is how it goes. When your OS tells you something about drive C you have to translate it in your mind to whatever partition it may be referring to in that particular case. The worst thing about it is that you often can't even be sure what drive C refers to is a given situation. On topic: How about changing the text to server cluster instead?
Blasphemour	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:10:00 - [16] They all run independent solar systems. Yes, they are connected to eachother, but still it is multiple server. If we would all be in the same solar system and there is 100 blades combining their power to run the EXACT SAME code, then calling it a 'single server' would be right. However, they do not. Your point is invalid
Scorsigaar Amarr Retribution. Inc. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:10:00 - [17] Potato
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Jose Black On topic: How about changing the text to server cluster instead? I'll concede to that, as it's both technically correct and not as annoying as "servers". --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:14:00 - [19] Quote: Dear players, the universe is down for 30 minutes each day for maintenance and updates. The daily downtime will begin in 59 minutes at 11:00 GMT/UTC. The universe will be back up again 30 minutes later. Please make sure your characters are out of harms way before the universe ends. -The EVE Online Team Better?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Blane Xero on 17/11/2010 11:18:08 Originally by: Yasri Khana But you call it a single entity, just as you call your cluster of raid drives "drive C". Yes. And I call that Entity Tranquillity. Not "Server". Let me lay it out again Hardware > Terminology > Entity Name 5 RAID Hard Drives > Storage Disk > C Drive. 5 Servers > Cluster > Tranquillity. At no point can you call anything under Tranquillity a "Server" (Singular) unless you specifically target One Server. And since downtime affects more than one of the servers in the Tranquillity cluster, just as say, a system reboot affects all of the Hard Drives that make the C Drive, the downtime announcement is perfectly accurate. That, and the name for the entity is not "Server" _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:19:00 - [21] Edited by: Yasri Khana on 17/11/2010 11:20:08 Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 17/11/2010 11:18:08 Originally by: Yasri Khana But you call it a single entity, just as you call your cluster of raid drives "drive C". Yes. And I call that Entity Tranquillity. Not "Server". Let me lay it out again Hardware > Terminology > Entity Name 5 RAID Hard Drives > Storage Disk > C Drive. 5 Servers > Cluster > Tranquillity. At no point can you call anything under Tranquillity a "Server" (Singular) unless you specifically target One Server. And since downtime affects more than one of the servers in the Tranquillity cluster, just as say, a system reboot affects all of the Hard Drives that make the C Drive, the downtime announcement is perfectly accurate. That, and the name for the entity is not "Server" Your reasoning in that post contradicts itself several times. --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Yasri Khana Your reasoning in that post contradicts itself several times. Feel free to make sweeping statements without backing it up with actual critique and counterpoints other than "no u" whenever you feel like it, then. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Gravemind GER Caldari Swords OF TYR Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Quote: Dear players, the universe is down for 30 minutes each day for maintenance and updates. The daily downtime will begin in 59 minutes at 11:00 GMT/UTC. The universe will be back up again 30 minutes later. Please make sure your characters are out of harms way before the universe ends. -The EVE Online Team Better? Pools Closed Boys, get out!
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:28:00 - [24] Important discussion ITT. Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Yasri Khana on 17/11/2010 11:42:30 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Quote: Dear players, the universe is down for 30 minutes each day for maintenance and updates. The daily downtime will begin in 59 minutes at 11:00 GMT/UTC. The universe will be back up again 30 minutes later. Please make sure your characters are out of harms way before the universe ends. -The EVE Online Team Better? Works for me although I'd replace "universe" with "it" later on. Originally by: Blane Xero Feel free to make sweeping statements without backing it up with actual critique and counterpoints other than "no u" whenever you feel like it, then. Yes. And I call that Entity Tranquillity. Not "Server" Hardware > Terminology > Entity Name 5 RAID Hard Drives > Storage Disk > C Drive 5 Servers > Cluster > Tranquillity That, and the name for the entity is not "Server" Bolded and italic shows the contradictions. You will happily call a combination of similar things by a single name, even referring to them as a single item (drive) while it's clearly and technically not the case, but for some reason you refuse to call the whole server entity a single item. Any realistic option is better than "servers", I'll happily go for cluster, universe rather than server if you want to but "servers" needs to go. Originally by: Gladys Pank Important discussion ITT. More important and interesting than the onslaught of single sentence "look at me being special" non-content posting you normally do :) --- Friendliness goes a long way.
Loki O'Grady Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Scorsigaar Potato That's not how you say it. It's pronounced "Potato".
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Yasri Khana Yes. And I call that Entity Tranquillity. Not "Server" Hardware > Terminology > Entity Name 5 RAID Hard Drives > Storage Disk > C Drive 5 Servers > Cluster > Tranquillity That, and the name for the entity is not "Server" Bolded and italic shows the contradictions. You will happily call a combination of similar things by a single name, *even referring to them as a single item (C drive)* while it's clearly and technically not the case, but for some reason you refuse to call the whole server entity a single item. Except none of that contradicts. Also, pay special attention to the bold section I highlighted in your paragraph, aswell as fixing your lovely mistake saying I'm calling the collective RAID drives simply "Drive" instead of C drive. The difference is important. C Drive is just a name, like Tranquillity. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Yasri Khana Originally by: Gladys Pank Important discussion ITT. More important and interesting than the onslaught of single sentence "look at me being special" non-content posting you normally do :) No Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
Yasri Khana	Posted - 2010.11.17 11:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Blane Xero Also, pay special attention to the bold section I highlighted in your paragraph, aswell as fixing your lovely mistake saying I'm calling the collective RAID drives simply "Drive" instead of C drive. The difference is important. C Drive is just a name, like Tranquillity. You are correct, you didn't contradict yourself and I read that wrong. Still, "servers" in the shut down message is annoying and as stated earlier I'll take anything logical that proudly shows we have a single shard. Be it cluster, universe or something else.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.17 12:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Yasri Khana Originally by: Blane Xero Also, pay special attention to the bold section I highlighted in your paragraph, aswell as fixing your lovely mistake saying I'm calling the collective RAID drives simply "Drive" instead of C drive. The difference is important. C Drive is just a name, like Tranquillity. You are correct, you didn't contradict yourself and I read that wrong. Still, "servers" in the shut down message is annoying and as stated earlier I'll take anything logical that proudly shows we have a single shard. Be it cluster, universe or something else. Or perhaps servers, which we know comprise a single cluster on which the shard exists Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist

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