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Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.21 11:20:00 - [1] Yes, another Appraise Me thread! But this time, you can do it yourself :P With my new script! Check it out at: http://www.gemblog.nl/skill I've been working on it for a week or 2, and I'm pretty sure it'll value most 'average' characters correctly. However, if your character is special, it might be worth more then my tool mentions now. If you rather want a 'real' character appraiser, try Durantis! He's been helping me develop this, so please give him some work too :P http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=959650 Please reply what you think about it, if you think I over/undervalue you guys. Donations of spare motherships can be done to Gemberslaafje :P Have fun! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Verfanny	Posted - 2010.11.21 16:26:00 - [2] I have no prior experience with appraising Characters so I don't know about the accuracy of the numbers but I like this like the tool, the skill breakdown at the end is interesting and let you see where the ISK is at. Anyway... a small thank you :)
Julliette Libertine	Posted - 2010.11.21 18:23:00 - [3] Nice one very handy with plenty of info displayed.
Durantis Tribe of One Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2010.11.21 19:25:00 - [4] As a long time character appraiser myself, i approve this tool, its 90% accurate to my appraisals, and I'm glad he put all this hard work into making a tool for the community! null
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.22 11:02:00 - [5] Stylized the skill details a little bit, for anyone who didn't realise you can click the category link and see which skills I've put in what category. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.23 10:54:00 - [6] poke, working on adding your levels to the skillpoints. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.24 08:42:00 - [7] Up you go :) Please tell me what you think! and: WOOH 1000 characters! Thank you everyone for your trust! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.24 16:21:00 - [8] Added some bits n bobs including a character ranking system. Check it out! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.26 13:54:00 - [9] Up you go :) 1230 appraisals to date :) --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Sellara One	Posted - 2010.11.28 01:16:00 - [10] good idea but quite inaccurate.

Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.29 02:28:00 - [11] I'm not sure how a Tengu spec within easy training of a dreadnought and Marauder rates quite that low. (Lots of T2 capable stuff already) But it at least gives me a lowest acceptance point.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.29 09:32:00 - [12] Sellara I'd like to know why you made that statement :P - For 'normal' characters it'll work pretty well. - It'll value capital ready characters about a bil too little. - I'm not sure about T3 characters and if they're worth more Also, it's set up to value everyone relatively low-ish; Better give you a slightly low starting price then something which you probably would never reach... Just remember that this thing doesn't determine the price, supply and demand does. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.29 23:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Gemberslaafje Sellara I'd like to know why you made that statement :P - For 'normal' characters it'll work pretty well. - It'll value capital ready characters about a bil too little. - I'm not sure about T3 characters and if they're worth more Also, it's set up to value everyone relatively low-ish; Better give you a slightly low starting price then something which you probably would never reach... Just remember that this thing doesn't determine the price, supply and demand does. It doesnt but i think it's not evaluating a combination of what these skills allow. When i ran Konoch through this i believed it lowballed it for several reasons 1. Tengu pilots are in demand. 2. Ease of Training to high level ships in caldari and gear already there. 3. 1 million free SP (as of the 14th) 4. Near max PI skills which basically can allow you to print isk (especially if you're invested properly) 5. T2 Missile in all major categories including torps I can understand not being able to gauge 'demand' fully but i do believe that a proper analysis must be able to check for location location location. Its important in real estate its important in eve skills. This is a high sec character or a null sec money maker that'll make up its cost in 3 months if not less. Hard for me to believe it only goes for 3.8
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.30 08:41:00 - [14] Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 30/11/2010 08:42:42 I am inclined to believe you, but I'd need an independent view on it before I can change the tool. Would you be so kind as to ask one of the other appraisers around here and PM me with their results? That way I could increase certain parts accordingly. However, as far as I know, people are either in it for Combat or for Indy, generally a hybrid char sells for less. However, I do not know if this is the case for PI characters, so if they actually sell their value I'm inclined to throw PI out of the 'industrial' category and just make it a category of it's own. EDIT: and yes, I'm still working on making the algorithm better, but you can't expect me to know everything without feedback :P --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Durantis Tribe of One Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2010.11.30 19:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Gemberslaafje Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 30/11/2010 08:42:42 I am inclined to believe you, but I'd need an independent view on it before I can change the tool. Would you be so kind as to ask one of the other appraisers around here and PM me with their results? That way I could increase certain parts accordingly. However, as far as I know, people are either in it for Combat or for Indy, generally a hybrid char sells for less. However, I do not know if this is the case for PI characters, so if they actually sell their value I'm inclined to throw PI out of the 'industrial' category and just make it a category of it's own. EDIT: and yes, I'm still working on making the algorithm better, but you can't expect me to know everything without feedback :P ask me if you don't like his results. Its a tool that he worked on for weeks. To make things easier for the people of eve. Its about 95% accurate. Of course specialty toons might not always come out perfect on the tool. Its in development a little still. And i hold very high hopes for this program. Everyone who is impatient and wants instant gratification. This is a magnificent tool. Tbh. i wish i had the skill to create what Gemberslaafje has. null
Konoch Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.30 22:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Durantis Originally by: Gemberslaafje Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 30/11/2010 08:42:42 I am inclined to believe you, but I'd need an independent view on it before I can change the tool. Would you be so kind as to ask one of the other appraisers around here and PM me with their results? That way I could increase certain parts accordingly. However, as far as I know, people are either in it for Combat or for Indy, generally a hybrid char sells for less. However, I do not know if this is the case for PI characters, so if they actually sell their value I'm inclined to throw PI out of the 'industrial' category and just make it a category of it's own. EDIT: and yes, I'm still working on making the algorithm better, but you can't expect me to know everything without feedback :P ask me if you don't like his results. Its a tool that he worked on for weeks. To make things easier for the people of eve. Its about 95% accurate. Of course specialty toons might not always come out perfect on the tool. Its in development a little still. And i hold very high hopes for this program. Everyone who is impatient and wants instant gratification. This is a magnificent tool. Tbh. i wish i had the skill to create what Gemberslaafje has. Actually i do like it. I'm trying to throw some advice his way on what could make it better Durantis.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.01 08:53:00 - [17] Durantis, could you decide konoch's value and mail it to me? :P --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.01 09:27:00 - [18] Now includes EVE Board functionality! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.02 11:06:00 - [19] Another firendly bump, please tell me how you like the EVE Board functionality! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
LadyLyra	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:41:00 - [20] I loved this tool, although it valued me lower than I would value myself! I guess that shows I DO NOT have a self-esteem problem (Take that! HIYAH!) Very useful tool!

Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.06 11:21:00 - [21] 3537 characters! Make it mooaar! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:23:00 - [22] 4045 characters! thanks! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.14 10:25:00 - [23] Already appraised 4596 characters! Growing steady ^_^ --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Bodrul Caldari Future Dynamics	Posted - 2010.12.14 22:56:00 - [24] kind of disapointed aprently i am only worth 6,129,879,150.14 ISK :( ............ Researched BPO Lottery (Using Darkness) http://www.gamingrev.com/forum/index.php?/topic/12-euro-game
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.15 08:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Bodrul kind of disapointed aprently i am only worth 6,129,879,150.14 ISK :( If you're happy with yourself, just don't sell :P --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Vikrama Kagiso	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:59:00 - [26] This is something unique that I've seen and I totally like the program so far and appreciate what your doing. I've valued 2 of my characters using this. One is a semi hybrid character while thoroughly focused on his split focus. I don't appraise characters and by no means have any experience in pricing characters but that toon seems to be valued a little higher than I've received quotes on in the past. I'm not sure if this is bad responses from the player base community but the difference in negligible. The second toon I had appraised with your tool is a pure trade character and your quote seems to hit the nail on the head with the price. Seems that your trade skill algorithm (or however you do it, I'm not math/comp smart) is right on the money. I don't know if this feedback is worth much to you but I am sure I will be using this in the future and hope you finish it up and continue to update it. Thanks for your time. Much appreciation ~Vikrama Kagiso
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.16 15:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Vikrama Kagiso This is something unique that I've seen and I totally like the program so far and appreciate what your doing. I've valued 2 of my characters using this. One is a semi hybrid character while thoroughly focused on his split focus. I don't appraise characters and by no means have any experience in pricing characters but that toon seems to be valued a little higher than I've received quotes on in the past. I'm not sure if this is bad responses from the player base community but the difference in negligible. The second toon I had appraised with your tool is a pure trade character and your quote seems to hit the nail on the head with the price. Seems that your trade skill algorithm (or however you do it, I'm not math/comp smart) is right on the money. I don't know if this feedback is worth much to you but I am sure I will be using this in the future and hope you finish it up and continue to update it. Thanks for your time. Much appreciation ~Vikrama Kagiso Well, this is a very tricky business and if you don't value people too high, you end up valuing them too low XD However, I do appreciate the post and I'm pleased you like it. But! I have something new! and spiffy! http://www.gemblog.nl/assembler/ Essentially working the other way around... You put in the skills, and it decides the value. Especially useful if you want to buy a character with a certain skillset and don't know how much ISK you should set aside for it. I'm going to add certain subsets of skills for quick addition. Think of ships, certificates and such. I might actually just dump in an EFT-like sheet... though that does mean I need to increase my database to include every single module :P --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Rivendark MacTavish Family Mining and Industry Co. Aerodyne Collective	Posted - 2010.12.16 18:29:00 - [28] Edited by: Rivendark on 16/12/2010 18:30:41 Hey Gem, I'm back! So I was taking a look at your character assembler and I gotta say it is going to be really neat once it gets polished. However...It is hugely clunky to use right now, and there is one major flaw in the coding that I would have torn my hair out if I wasn't looking for something like it. If you add a skill that has the same skillset for prereqs as another skill that is already added, but the new one has lower rank requirements, the assembler will automatically reset the prerequisite skills down to the lower levels, thus making you have to re-edit it by hand. For example, if you add exhumers before Mining Barge, when you add the barge skill it will lower your mining and astrogeology levels to 4 and 3 respectively when they were previously at 5 and 5. But it does look like it's lining up with the appraiser value of this character so no glitches there. Edit: one suggestion for bettering the interface would be to put the skills under bolded headers in the drop down according to what skillset they are grouped under. Otherwise it is very difficult to find skills in a timely manner.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.17 07:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Rivendark Edited by: Rivendark on 16/12/2010 18:30:41 Hey Gem, I'm back! So I was taking a look at your character assembler and I gotta say it is going to be really neat once it gets polished. However...It is hugely clunky to use right now, and there is one major flaw in the coding that I would have torn my hair out if I wasn't looking for something like it. If you add a skill that has the same skillset for prereqs as another skill that is already added, but the new one has lower rank requirements, the assembler will automatically reset the prerequisite skills down to the lower levels, thus making you have to re-edit it by hand. For example, if you add exhumers before Mining Barge, when you add the barge skill it will lower your mining and astrogeology levels to 4 and 3 respectively when they were previously at 5 and 5. But it does look like it's lining up with the appraiser value of this character so no glitches there. Edit: one suggestion for bettering the interface would be to put the skills under bolded headers in the drop down according to what skillset they are grouped under. Otherwise it is very difficult to find skills in a timely manner. Thanks again, I know where the problem is, I'll just have to add an "If level is greater than the original level DON'T TOUCH IT. And yeah, I'm also not happy yet with the skill list, so I'm definetly going to change that. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.17 08:17:00 - [30] Try again please! Added Categories for the skills Fixed the Lower Requirements bug. I think. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.

Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:42:00 - [31] Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 17/12/2010 14:02:45 You can now paste your favorite EFT fit! (use the copy to clipboard function - it does not read the official EVE XMLs yet) EDIT: Now also accepts EVE XML forms. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.17 15:30:00 - [32] Added a HASH-like key with which you can save/load characters on the Assembler. Check it out! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Rivendark MacTavish Family Mining and Industry Co. Aerodyne Collective	Posted - 2010.12.17 16:00:00 - [33] Levels now stay the level they previously were when you add skills with lower prerequisites. However it seems a new bug has surfaced where i can't modify the level of a skill already added and have to add the skill again at the correct level, which is more of an issue that makes it clunky more so than unusable. Haven't tried out the EFT import yet, but if I find anything I will let you know. Riven
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.17 21:29:00 - [34] Havent noticed the bug your describing but ill check it tomorrow thx again --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.18 10:30:00 - [35] The only thing that I can think of is that you may be pressing the wrong button - make sure you click the 'Change/Remove Skills' button and not the 'Load Key' button. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Rognin Minmatar The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.19 17:42:00 - [36] Nice job!! Will recommend.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.19 20:55:00 - [37] Thanks XD I might add some more synergy between the two scripts - I'm thinking you could compare your minimum requirements for corp recruiting to a EVEBoard page and see where people fall short, some stuff like that. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Rivendark MacTavish Family Mining and Industry Co. Aerodyne Collective	Posted - 2010.12.20 02:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Gemberslaafje Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 17/12/2010 21:47:18 Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 17/12/2010 21:38:35 Havent noticed the bug your describing but ill check it tomorrow thx again Edit: just quickly checked it and it seems to work as intended could you tell me which skills you used? It appears to be industry skills, have now double checked this at work and at home and it's the same thing for things like mining and industry skills. Can't change the level of the skill from the list of current skills, have to "add" the skill again
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.20 08:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Rivendark It appears to be industry skills, have now double checked this at work and at home and it's the same thing for things like mining and industry skills. Can't change the level of the skill from the list of current skills, have to "add" the skill again Well, it shouldn't be skill-type specific but I did just noticed that when I changed Arkonor Processing from lvl 1 to 3 that it didn't work... I go investigate --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.22 10:00:00 - [40] And we have a new leader: dosperado, with an average of 576 isk per SP, and a grand total of 142,814,834.00 SP Congratulations! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ And the Eve Character Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Also a spy.

dosperado Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2010.12.26 17:58:00 - [41] So I am the most valuable toon in EvE? Nice :-) But I am not for sale ;))) ____________________ Security Status No.#1
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.27 08:53:00 - [42] Originally by: dosperado So I am the most valuable toon in EvE? Nice :-) But I am not for sale ;))) Well, you could always donate yourself to my cause of Universe Domination... --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser/Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Originally by: De'Veldrin Welcome to the ****ing sandbox
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.27 10:30:00 - [43] Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 27/12/2010 10:30:37 Thanks to EVE-fail (ironically) I've found and fixed a bug where high-Ranked lvl 4 skills were incorrectly shown as lvl 3. (Appraiser) --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser/Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Originally by: De'Veldrin Welcome to the ****ing sandbox
Rawbin Hood Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.01.03 09:26:00 - [44] seemed odd that it liked my cruiser skills, and not my carrier or dreadnought skills.... not a tool i would recommend for selling, but if you are buying then it's a must..... lol ◄Brutor► The Movement Because the human race can do better as a whole (despite these forums, they don't count)
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2011.01.03 12:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Rawbin Hood seemed odd that it liked my cruiser skills, and not my carrier or dreadnought skills.... not a tool i would recommend for selling, but if you are buying then it's a must..... lol Well, there are 2 parts of that story. Carrier and Dreadnaught prereqs are so high you'll have a good amount of skillpoints anyway, making you worth more. With T2 cruisers that's less the case. I am, however, working on a way to valuate all the ships you can fly, but as it's running through every single ship atm it's kinda slooow :P --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser/Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ http://gemblog.nl/assembler/ Originally by: De'Veldrin Welcome to the ****ing sandbox


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