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Posted - 2005.01.12 08:54:00 -
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What a pitiful shameful thread.
I fly apoc/arma/mega/dominix and have briefly jumped into the other bships.
While I agree that the megapulses are a very nice weapon, they aren't really that great below 10km, at least I am not hitting an awful lot *EXCEPT* a battleships below that range so I have no idea what everyone is moaning about there.
What is true is that hybrids have a really ****ty time because they use too much cap, that's not the fault of the megapulse.
Amarr don't have a blaster type, they have a medium type in the pulse weapons and a long range type in the beams.
Now as for the graph, here we are looking at two tier 2 battleships versus a tier 1 battleship which has the pure role of being a damage dealer and is honestly pretty poor at anything else, including tanking.
This is for me like comparing the Moa and the Thorax, both damagedealers to the Exequeror and complaining how big of a cargo it has, it's specialist role is hauling just like the specialist role of the Armageddon is damage.
A blasterthron will eat an apoc or an arma at 10km and below. You can't doubt that, the apoc might last a bit longer if it has the right hardeners on but the DOT is just too great and the mega pulses aren't that great at this close range.
Quite a few people are making themselves look like whining fools in this thread, and it ain't PIE.
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Posted - 2005.01.12 09:16:00 -
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 Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Black Lotus
Well from experience ingame, This so-called "graph" if u will... Obviuosly does not take ship bonus's into account.
Erm, isn't that the exact point of including the Armageddon in this graph versus other races Tier 2 BS's? Because the Arma gets the RoF bonus?
But the Arma doesn't have the tanking ability of the other two ships nor the hitpoints nor the medium slots?
This is comparable to showing the effect of using a multispectral jammer, comparing the Scorpion to the Apoc and the Tempest.
It doesn't tell you anything about the outcome of a battle between those ships, it doesn't tell you the overall picture at all.
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Posted - 2005.01.12 10:29:00 -
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Reducing the max range of mega pulses is ok by me.
60km range is a tad excessive
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Posted - 2005.01.12 11:08:00 -
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Actually, since we are talking about range
How about we get another graph, with the long range ammos?
Might be VEEERY interesting
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Posted - 2005.01.12 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
My poor projectiles thread  Does noone care about projectiles? I'll ask if I can post the graph of long range ammo on the short range guns but I need to contact the riot police first and have them suit up.
Well in the time of specialization that is upon us you have to choose a type of gun to go with. I'm still torn between Laser and Hybrid.
The Minmatar you'd think be more interested in the Projectiles 
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Posted - 2005.01.13 15:34:00 -
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Is it just me then that doesn't think that comparing the individual turrets doesn't give the whole picture?
The ship fittings and possibilities play a big role people.
OMG HE HAS MEGA PULSE!!! HAX!!
-Relax dude, here's a couple thermal hardeners and an EM hardener, now slap on that warp disruptor and he'll die quickly
OMG OMG HE HAS MEGA PULSE!!! HE'S HITTING ME FROM 50 KM WITH PURE EM DAMAGE!! HAX!!
-Uhh, didn't you fit that EM hardener then? Well just warp out dude!
It's the overall usage that matters.
So why does the Mega Pulse appear so often on the BOB killboard? Because EVOLUTION have favored laser turrets since TAOSP days, because a fleet of warships in 0.0 likes the "no ammo" ability of lasers.
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Posted - 2005.01.13 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
and nobody is crying HAX and such things like you here, when you dont like that people think that megapulses are unbalanced, try to discuss the points normally and just not trying to insult them as 1337 whining kiddos, ok?
thats a very bad arguing style, ok?
No.
They are looking at the gun and just the gun. Nothing more nothing less.
I call that bad style.
Yes the optimal might be reduced so it doesn't reach 60km
BUT I still want to see that graph for LONG RANGE AMMO in all those weapons because we hear a lot of crying about the 60km range but we aren't seeing any numbers about it.
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