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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.26 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: NereSky on 26/11/2010 01:14:05 Edited by: NereSky on 26/11/2010 01:09:02 I think overall its a good idea for people like me who long ago maxed their skills we will get the points returned to re-allocate,
As i can still remember the frustration of having to train those skills i can understand why new players will find this attractive which if it keeps newer players subscribing for longet it should theoretically help the game
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this helps the newer players no end, when do older players get a reward for continued custom? I know playing the game is reward in itself (yes that can seem rather thin lol) but ignoring new graphics and gameplay (when it works or when new content actually gets finished) there should be something to recognise the commitment some of us have made be it 3, 4 5 yrs plus to the game.
If i remember right the arguement about the learning skills has been talked about since i first started in 2004 and 'only now' are you actually doing something about it. 1 of the arguements a GM advised way back then, was completing the learning skills was showing commitment, well i and many others have shown that commitment and now the skills get removed and the points allocated elsewhere, although i can live with that but there should be something more imo
Like maybe a whole bunch of loyalty points from your respecive agents or something
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:59:00 -
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So question i have is - all 11 of my learning skills are max'd at level 5 - do i get 'all' of these pts back to redistribute? and what about some recompense for frustration i had in training them all to level 5
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.26 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: NereSky So question i have is - all 11 of my learning skills are max'd at level 5 - do i get 'all' of these pts back to redistribute? and what about some recompense for frustration i had in training them all to level 5
You get all of them back, yes, but that is all you get. Your frustration is recompensed by the knowledge that newer generations will not have to suffer through the same thing, thus making the world a better place for all.
Yep totally agree on that one, but this arguement was put to CCP before (i remember it being discussed in 2004, i was a noob in game and had the same problem vets telling us tough luck learning skills need to be done we have ours max'd u need to do the same lol
Gm's advised that it showed commitment to the game so i trained them all to level 5 , now a 'U' turn has been made by CCP after players for years have been moaning about them,
I for one say the learning skill removal was Long Long Long overdue but players dug down and trained them. I believe there should be something a little more than SP's redistribution as ive suggested before and 'still' awaiting a answer on from CCP (maybe loyalty points = to half the Sp's or something - cant be too difficult - overall though i can understand and agree with the removal of the learning skills and redistribution of the gained SP's and as advised it will make the game better for newer players who can jump straight into a ship quicker to die before my guns, But i would like something extra to be given.
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: NereSky on 26/11/2010 10:07:39
Originally by: Alison Dagger Slowpoke reporting in.
This is one of the most stupid things CCP done to cripple EVE's spirit after nano-nerf. The game gets less and less hardcore, and more attractive to brain damaged people who would otherwise play WOW or L2. Say hello to more ШКОЛОЛО in your EVE.
CCP runs a business and if it means making the game to a more user friendly enjoyable level to new players to increase retention and attraction to the game then sobeit,
But i would reccomend to CCP finish other 'work in progress' sooner rather than later, and ofc sort out your bloody petition and bug reporting system as well your at it lol
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.27 09:48:00 -
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I keep reafing the term 'Bitter Vets' used to describe the peple voicing their disatisfaction and tbh its wearing a bit thin
First of all i agree with the removal of the learning skills but what i see is the same old arguement 'we have already benefitted from max learning' etc etc etc
Well yes we have but we sacrificed our game play to do it, what you newer chars dont understand most of us didnt want to train those skills to begin with but CCP were steadfast that they will remain ingame as it completing them shows commitment to the game etc, quite a few new players back then left because of it so i for one am happy the new players experience should improve.
But
Back then the game was differant than it is now (seems to be full of bawling crying jealous kiddies now) We (the bitter vets that is) perservered with great patience and trained them, the chars then were older ones with lower starting attributes, isk wasnt as readily avail as it is now (took me ages to earn a buck as i was training learning to boost my attributes i was stuck in a velator mining to earn isk)
The patience i showed and the months of gameplay i invested in learning seems to have forgotten and swept under the rug, i for one saw how great this game could be and stuck with it. The points i had invested will be refunded - which is what is owed The time and the frustration i have invested is still owed imo All i want is some sweetener to recognise not only the sp's ive invested but the time i had to endure training those learning skills to maximise my training time added to the fact newer choice chars arrived with greater starting attributes and learning boosts and we bitter old vets had abysmal starting attributes whence we had no choice but to catch up to the newer chars by maximising the learning skills. - again i agree with the removal with a added however (see above)
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.27 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen While I can understand the logic behind the argument that veterans want more compensation for enduring the months spent training 5/5 learning, I think if you applied that in any other situation it'd be ludicrous. CCP made the probing system faster, should they compensate you for the hours you spent using the old slower system? CCP introduce Warp to 0, should they compensate you for the hours spent warping to 15km or making manual warp to 0 bookmarks? CCP introduce level 4 missions, should they compensate you for all the time spent grinding poorer paying level 3s?
You put the time into learning skills, despite probably hating it and knowing it was a bad system, because it was the best way to advance your character. Presumably nearly everyone who put that time in got the payoff from faster training times, and on top of it you're getting your initial investment back, that you can dump into skills you don't want to remap for.
Problem is that the starting attributes were **** poor the cost of the skill books were very high - isk was not as available, i remember mining in a noob ship (couldnt afford a frigate) to get the isk to buy the learning skill to improve the attributes for future investment. Then once i trained learning to a point i felt i could train in other areas newer chars were brought out with starting attributes greater than mine with the extra learning skills, so it was back to learning again and stuck in a fragte for another few months. - to give you a idea on the attributes and a bit of light hearted trip down memory lane ill put a link in of a flash vid (look for 'Blood lines' RMR
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.27 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Promonine
Originally by: Klingz
I for mine have canceled my accounts, and they are on the way to the bin... It's a sad, sad day.
Sad day for you maybe Happy day for me.
I learn that all 3 accounts are getting 5m SP EACH! in two weeks to spend on whatever i want and i learn that YOU are quitting based upon this awesome change. People that hate this change should quit, because they are the type of people to complain when they buy something in a shop and the next week that item gets put on offer and you whine and ***** about that too.. Good riddance.
Also, i have played 6 years in february, i trained my learning skills to 5/5 on my three accounts very early on, used a huge amount of time on them instead of training for shiney ships and stuff.. I couldnt care less about the time i lost in my "INTERNET SPACESHIP BREAK FROM REALITY".
Some people need to get a grip on their lives and realise this is a game, even if it costs RL money to play. If this change does increase the amount of people that play, or create new accounts then good; for pvpers its more people to kill, for industrialists its more people to build stuff for. Most importantly, growth is what keeps this game online, without growth this game would for sure go down.
I agree with what you say apart from the 'get a grip part' Surely tou must also remember the new player chars becoming avail with greater skill attributes? which we accepted also albeit grudgingly Surely you must remember the topic of 'removing learning skills' raised often? I believe everyone is entitled to a opinion but overall the game is getting changed more and more in favour of the newer players while the older players that have shown their commitment and loyalty are sometimes forgotten.
All im saying is there should be a greater reflection for those of us that have sacrificed greatly over the years to be suddenly told yep ur right and now you have trained that which was required we will now remove it. The Sp's accumulated into learning is whats owed anyway - so im struggling to see what the actual gift is atm yeah a increased attribute is given but thats to everyone anyway)
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.27 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes
Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: Promonine
Originally by: Klingz
I for mine have canceled my accounts, and they are on the way to the bin... It's a sad, sad day.
Sad day for you maybe Happy day for me.
I learn that all 3 accounts are getting 5m SP EACH! in two weeks to spend on whatever i want and i learn that YOU are quitting based upon this awesome change. People that hate this change should quit, because they are the type of people to complain when they buy something in a shop and the next week that item gets put on offer and you whine and ***** about that too.. Good riddance.
Also, i have played 6 years in february, i trained my learning skills to 5/5 on my three accounts very early on, used a huge amount of time on them instead of training for shiney ships and stuff.. I couldnt care less about the time i lost in my "INTERNET SPACESHIP BREAK FROM REALITY".
Some people need to get a grip on their lives and realise this is a game, even if it costs RL money to play. If this change does increase the amount of people that play, or create new accounts then good; for pvpers its more people to kill, for industrialists its more people to build stuff for. Most importantly, growth is what keeps this game online, without growth this game would for sure go down.
I agree with what you say apart from the 'get a grip part' Surely tou must also remember the new player chars becoming avail with greater skill attributes? which we accepted also albeit grudgingly Surely you must remember the topic of 'removing learning skills' raised often? I believe everyone is entitled to a opinion but overall the game is getting changed more and more in favour of the newer players while the older players that have shown their commitment and loyalty are sometimes forgotten.
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old players that committed are not forgotten (skillpoints reimbursed). also, don't forget that old players inevitably stop playing. it's a fact of life. there has to be replacements, if the game is to survive. EVERY SINGLE game that kept increasing complexity without considering how new players get into game, DID fail and WILL fail.
I have never said dont consider new players infact i have applauded it again its mentioned sp's are reimbursed but thats everyone new and old and tbh its owed anyway so its not a gift, like its said before its like a tax refund, its yours anyway so why call it a gift lmao.
Well my point is raised and nothing further can be added accept to re affirm my disappointment that 1) this wasnt done a lot earlier and 2) there should be something else awarded to reflect adequate compensation to those that have followed CCP's guidelines and trained those skills to the max
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.27 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes
Originally by: NereSky ...
Well my point is raised and nothing further can be added accept to re affirm my disappointment that 1) this wasnt done a lot earlier and 2) there should be something else awarded to reflect adequate compensation to those that have followed CCP's guidelines and trained those skills to the max
fuzzy feelings not enough? i could send you a "You won!" image.
Gee thanks
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:10:00 -
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Tippia - i think you need to stop posting before the internetz go's down with overuse/abuse
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zeal Chi Personaly at this point i dont really care . Vet players i do feel a bit bad for them and am worried about all the WoW kids joining and ruining eve's mature nature. On the other hand ive been ganked countless times buy Vet players so meh. Started a new acount about 3weeks back so in that sense im glad .
Long Live Eve!!
Lol well said
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel stuff
You forget 1 major issue in that speel, older players had crap attributes to start with and had no choice to train advanced learning to catch up with the newer player chars when they released in RMR
Newer chars starting Attributs and SP's are greatly increased in comparison to what older chars had' which we sucked up and went back to increasing the learning skills
now they are being taken out of game and attributes increased - again no problem with this however there should be something more this time for the older chars that had to take the attribute and starting sp's increase for newer players - as previously said there doesnt seem much for those that took the time and trouble to max out their skills because of the enviroment CCP placed us in.
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